EP 14 - Graham Simms

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1:02With a variety of high quality paper stock options, banners, posters for stores, and more. Most locations are independently owned, product services, pricing, and hours of operation may vary. See center for details. The UPS store. Be unstoppable. Come into your local store today and get your print on. All right, welcome to Journey to Truth podcast. This is Eric Waller with Aaron Kuhn. We have on Graham Sims, Graham is the author of the UFO. I guess not UFO, but you do specialize in UFO field.

2:05That's right. You recently put out a recently-winded book. Impact the contact. It was three or four years ago. You want to tell us a little bit about that and yourself. For people who might not know. Yeah, I'm sure there's plenty of people who don't know me. So the book is called Impact to Contact the Shag Harbor Incident. I wrote it with Chris Stiles. Shag Harbor Incident is a great Canadian UFO case that happened in October 1967. And I guess it stands out because it's really well documented. So our CMP Canadian Navy Air Force documents that back up the case, which is a little unusual. We have a lot of firsthand witnesses that we interviewed, including like all the top military brass who were involved at the time. It was a big operation. There was probably a half dozen ships destroyer escorts US Canadian also a British submarine that was there at the time went on for a week.

3:13And it actually that whole week there was a ton of UFO sightings all over the whole province. It was on the front page of the newspaper the whole week and actually went out on the international wire press. So got a lot of attention. It was on the CBC literally the CBC was there filming saying the police are looking for a clash a crash saucer. So it was, you know, it was really really legit. And once we started to interview the witnesses, including well, especially the military divers. We realized how deep the case went after that point we really didn't know how far it went. And once we talked to them, they described how. The ships hung over the UFO, which was at the bottom of the ocean. Well, I mean, it was only about a hundred feet down. And they stayed there for a week over the UFOs, which was actually two UFOs.

4:17And they interpreted it as being one was fixing the other. So, and then they described going down with camera movie cameras and still photography equipment. And once they got down there, they saw that there was activity around the craft, meaning that there was creatures sounded like gray is basically in little diving suits. Really? Yeah. And he said they communicated with them telepathically, basically told them that they were just fixing their ship and they were, they would be on their way. So originally, the military went down there expecting to retrieve a retrieval operation. But once they saw that there was activity, they stopped that and then it just became a mission of observation only. That's, that's incredible. That much information is actually available on that wreck. I mean, I'm very unfamiliar with that.

5:17Actually, I hadn't heard of that wreckage until you told me in Hawaii. Yeah, I hadn't heard of it either. A lot of people here haven't heard of it either. If you like there, if you go on YouTube, you'll find probably like three or four history channel discovery caliber documentaries on it. Oh, yeah. But I mean, without Chris, Chris Stiles, the whole thing would have been forgotten basically. He wrote a book on it in 1998 called Dark Object. That was edited by Whitley Streiber and. Oh, nice. Basically published through with Whitley. And that was a little paperback that did really well, you know, was in like five languages. There was a lot of, you know, new information came up. So we decided to write the second book. And now we're working on a third one. You know, it's an ongoing active case. So where we're at now with it is.

6:17We've been trying to prove which ships were there, which is very important to sort of key to the story. So we've talked to divers that were on the US ships, but when we got the logs, the logs all showed that the ships weren't there. So we're stuck. We're like, well, does that mean that the timing is wrong? You know, because after 50 years, people's memories pretty plastic, right? And they're not even sure what year it was. So do we have their time wrong or did it not happen or are the logs falsified? Yeah. Huge crime to falsify naval logs would take a big cover up and is highly illegal. Yeah. Yep. When you say ships, are you talking about the Navy ships? Yes. Okay. I'm sorry. Just wanted to clarify that. So, okay. So there, there is, so what you're saying now is there's no actual logs for the ship. They're being any ship there at all.

7:22So the main, first of all, we don't know which, which discord, the story of escorts were there. We have the, we have one name of the US ship. And we went down to in Virginia to the archives there and got a freedom of information act for it. But yeah, it was said it was tied up there. So, one of the main ships that we thought was involved, the log for that year and the surrounding four years was just missing, which is very unusual to you to lose a book like that that's in an archive, you know, you have to sign it out, the sort of thing, right. So that was suspicious. And then the other ship, naval ships that we suspected were there. Librarian archives, Canada, that we've been dealing with were very cagey with us. They were rude, really standoffish.

8:23They took a long time to get back to us with the photocopies. So that was all suspicious, but then we noticed on the logs of the ships that we suspected were there, a lot of them were different, like they were be, I mean, this is 50 years old, right. We noticed on those ones, the logs for those for those dates would be brand new, you know, whereas all the other papers were old, you know, from time, yellowed paper, also, you know, also, you know, this is like sailors coming in, signing in, giving their coordinates, giving a little bit of information and that would change every hour, you'd have a new person come in. So usually it's all different handwriting, but a lot of the time these ones would have all the same handwriting, like as if it was all written at the same time on a brand new piece of paper. So we're a little suspicious about that, you know, we're a little incredulous on that.

9:24So that's where we're trying to the next step will be a friends about it to prove whether it's falsified or not, I guess. Yeah, that's that's very interesting. So you've personally been to the site yourself. Oh yeah, yep. So it's called Shag Harbor. It's a southwestern shore of the province of Nova Scotia. It's really uninhabited there. It looks over the Gulf of Maine, basically. Now what there is is there's a series of joint at the time it was no rads or joint Canada and US a string of radar bases. So there's another one like mid can there's a mid Canada line and then there's the do line. So that's like a string of radar bases they'd have during the Cold War so that if Russian missiles or Russian planes were coming over, it would be alerted to it. So this was the lower line. So this was Canada and US military jointly.

10:26And a lot of the sightings were outside of those bases. Now what happened was the ship. It was the UFO was seen in the sky at nighttime with lights. It was hovering like slowly. And then falling with a whistle and a bang and everybody thought that it was a plane. You know, nobody was even thinking of UFOs and 67 out in rural Nova Scotia, right. So they got the they were fishermen. So they got their fishing boats out expecting to find a crash plane. But what happened was once they got out there, they just saw this disc floating on the water. And the RCM by that time there was like six RCMP, probably a dozen witnesses there. The RCMP got a little robot and they started to row up to the UFO that's floating on the water. And just as they approached it went it went under the water and they could see it powering out to the ocean.

11:32So what it did is it went out about 25 miles and went back into a little bay. But the bay that it went into is called Shelburn Shelburn Harbor. Now Shelburn Harbor is the home of at the time was Canada's most secret Cold War base. So it was actually the it was the submarine detection base for all of the North Atlantic. It was hardwired all the way down to Key West Florida all the way up to Newfoundland. They lay these cables so that any metal hull ship could be detected. And this is where that all plugged into so the and at a cover story it was supposedly like a civilian ocean oceanographic research station, but really it was a top secret. The most top secret military base in Canada at the time. That's right where the UFO what decided to park its ass for a week. It's kind of a strength coincidence.

12:32He's right outside the most top secret military base. Yeah, no coincidence. That's definitely not a coincidence. Did you know that parents rank teaching financial literacy as the toughest life skill? That's where green light comes in. The debit card and money app made for families with green light you can send money to kids quickly set up chores automate allowance and track spending with real time notifications. Kids learn how to earn save and spend responsibly while parents have peace of mind knowing smart money habits are being built with guardrails in place. Try green light risk free today a green light dot com slash try green light. That's green light dot com slash try green light. Green light helps kids learn about money the way most of us never did by actually using it. It's a debit card and money app that teaches kids to earn save and spend in real life not just swipe and hope for the best learning happens naturally in the moment. Parents can set limits see spending in real time and guide better habits along the way all in one place without constant check ins or cash runs.

13:36Don't wait try green light risk free today at green light dot com slash try green light. The sun shining birds are singing and all feels right in the world. Until the season changes and suddenly you lose your motivation to get out of bed. In fact, one in five people experience some form of depression no matter the season or time of year. At the American Psychiatric Association Foundation our vision is to build a mentally healthy nation for all because we want you to live your best life and be your best you all year round. Please visit mentally healthy nation dot org to learn more. So there so has there any been any has there been any activity in the area since then as far as you know I guess popular sightings. Yes, now I mean one of my original contributions to the book was basically getting into the history of the area including the folklore. You remember Jack valet and John Mac my mentor they both got into the folklore of UFO sightings and so I took my cue from them.

14:45So I looked into the folklore of the area that there was many many stories of these balls of light that would come over the water and it was just normal down there at the time from say the 1800s up to the 50s. The parents would just tell the kids don't you know don't play with them don't go down to the water when the when the balls when the balls are lighter there. It was like they'd warn them about it was no big deal. Interesting, but then also there's old fishermen stories like if there's a lot of a lot of German settlers in that area and a lot of German fishermen like Lunemberg is there might have heard of Lunemberg its old German fishing town anyway. And there's a ton of stories about like shining silver hauled boats in the sky you know that would follow people around and you know that would mess around with the people and they'd have strange experiences so the history of it was there and it's been ongoing ever since and even since 67 it's been ongoing now we had an amazing sighting that we filmed last August.

15:56In that same area right across from Shag is is an island that has a lot of strange history to it and the only three abductees that we know from Nova Scotia for some reason there's not a lot of abductees here, but the three that we know are all from this one island. Right across from Shag and they're all women and so we're good friends good friends with them and investigated their case they all have implants that are medically documented and and so we were visiting Heather there and she can sort of pretty much call them out will they they come a lot or you know she lives in the water on the beach and they show up all the time. So Chris and and a friend of ours who who is a filmmaker we came down with with his cameras and one of them showed up and they filmed it for an hour and an amazing footage and all sorts of strange aspects to it like whichever way you faced it looked like it was always facing you so even if it turned or you went around the other side it still had the same face to it very strange.

17:15It didn't look completely. It didn't look like a disk it looked like a giant ball of light but the the light had a strange quality to it was during the day as well as a day siding. The footage is amazing I can link sending the link on YouTube to it so that was that was we were happy with that siding you know it was really dramatic you went on for a long time. But it's funny like Chris was down there that same trip he was down there talking he was meeting with the journalists from the chronicle herald here and he noticed he was a Liverpool and he noticed he was went to the supermarket and he noticed a big military drone up above so he sort of ignored it he went to his meeting with Wilkie the journalist and he went out to his car for a second the middle the meeting and he looked up and the drone was. He was just right above like 40 feet above him over the house so he told the jury's told Wilkie come out come out they come out they're looking at it and the thing just takes off straight up really fast and talking to the abductees Heather and Susan another one she says she's followed by these drones all the time and she says they come out of those same radar bases that used to be the the NORAD bases now they're unmanned they're all just completely computerized.

18:41But apparently the drones are coming out of them and following the abductees interesting yeah pretty well I mean they don't they don't feel threatened but I mean and the fact that they were following Chris when he was meeting with the journalist and the abductees shows that you know they're they're monitoring the situation and that's you know they could be protecting us I don't know you know but yeah but except you know I had my host broken into my girlfriend. She was in his house and they took all my the only thing they took was the ship the logs the documents are on the the footage that we took of of the of that the ball of light in August and all the new research I had they they took all of that wow what has this happened and they smashed and they smashed my computer yeah really when did this happen this would have been during the summer also so every year there's there we have a festival down there at Shag Harbor where we commemorate the incident we have speakers and you know we make you know I'm doing barbecue and whatever or a lot lobster boil sometimes and so a lot the year before was the 50th anniversary so it was a big deal but last year we had the Cousteaux come down so Jacques Cousteaux grand children.

20:09So they were doing a piece on ocean mysteries so it was it was for history channel. And association with National Geographic and the Smithsonian I think and so we were sending them the coordinates for the dive because the spot where the UFO came down like I guess I didn't tell you but like it was on fire like it came down the bottom of it was like. Red hot and had these like panels like tiles on it that were glowing like the color of like lava you know or like plasma so be going white hot to like bright orange so the witnesses thought it had like lost an engine is what they said you know there was like fire coming out of it and the sort of stuff so when it when it hit the bottom of the ocean it fuse the sand into glass. We found on some BIO which is Bedford Institute of oceanography here they had mapped the bottom of that area for other reasons and when we were looking at it with them we found all these anomalies.

21:22So so we've been doing some dives down there and trying to get some samples because that would be some hard evidence if we can show that high heat fuse the sand into you know into glass or whatever it was in this perfectly round shapes. As would be the bottom of the craft. But anyway when we were sending the coup stows via email the coordinates for the dive. We couldn't send the emails and as we were watching the coordinates numbers were changing somebody was like. Live hacking into our computers and changing the coordinates but that also happened two years before when we were dealing with library archives canada and when we were getting they were emailing us. The ships logs the logs some of the logs were intercepted and taken right off my computer. So there's definitely been some interference. But it was always no big deal you know what I mean I always just figured they were just keeping an eye on things but once they broke into my girlfriends and my house and smashed the computers it sort of felt a bit more threatening and sinister.

22:33Well yeah absolutely I can't believe that was just you said just last summer over summer correctly correct wow. Yeah anytime you're you start exposing stuff they don't like that's stuff like that starts happening usually. I mean if we can if we can prove. I mean we've already published a ton of I mean I can get into some of the other documents we published. We published the and it we happen to upon the by coincidence like the highest level of of classification is. What the fuck are you talking about we don't know what you're talking about if there's no record of something that it's not can't be classified then you can't find it so unless you. You have what a you need the file number you know to find something but there's no way you're going to get the file number because it's classified but then on top of that there's a whole other level that there's no record of so there's no way you're going to even know about it yeah so.

23:34So that's what we so we happen to find these well Chris found them is when he started the investigation. There was a Jesuit priest named father Bert Gaffney who started the astronomy department at the university here and he was secretly brilliant guy Jesuit and. Millionaire start as I said he went to Georgetown and he was secretly investigating UFOs with the RCMP with the military and I believe ultimately for the Vatican so when we got we went into well Chris went into his personal documents he was the first person to do it and he had so they're archived at the university. And he had to get all these you know permission of the Jesuits and whatever and he was the first person to go into his boxes and that's where he found. The X they're called X file so these are RCMP X files and you'll know notice the the use the word X going back historically associated with UFOs and paranormal stuff yeah that's that's why the X file show show yeah.

24:39So these were literally X file so it started off X you know four or eight three one whatever which denotes UFO. Now there is public UFO documents that they that the RCMP and the military have made public available online even and those are the ones of you know that they can't hide it's just the RCMP you know there's a UFO hovering over my house the RCMP has to go investigate. And they and everything that RCMP does they have to there's a paper trail which is great and they're and they're great investigators too you know they're trained to to write what they see and so but if it was more a national security type of issue then there's a different then it became an X file and nobody ever saw those no one ever heard of them except we just happened to find them in a third party. The sun shining birds are singing and all feels right in the world until the season changes and suddenly you lose your motivation to get out of bed in fact one in five people experience some form of depression no matter the season or time of year at the American psychiatric association foundation our vision is to build a mentally healthy nation for all because we want you to live your best life and be your best you all year round please visit mentally healthy nation dot org.

26:05To learn more. The sun shining birds are singing and all feels right in the world until the season changes and suddenly you lose your motivation to get out of bed in fact one in five people experience some form of depression no matter the season or time of year at the American psychiatric association foundation our vision is to build a mentally healthy nation for all because we want you to live your best life and be your best you all year round. Please visit mentally healthy nation dot org to learn more. So we published those and then Chris got another document published called the the space object contingency plan and the title of it is the master plan it's called so this is now now to get this we had to we had to get the permission of like US military I think we had to get every single state to sign off on it all the stuff because it because it reveals the inner workings of two countries on how they deal with objects that come from space what's the protocol so that could be a satellite that comes down it could be UFO it could be whatever.

27:20So you know safety protocols chain of command this sort of thing so eventually got it and it was you know and we you know we have you know academics asking us for it you know if they use it for research you know it's a pretty big document we're lucky to have gotten it was really through Chris's. Handiwork through his craftiness that he got it in the first place nice you use all these old journalistic skills to get it was it was pretty impressive how he did it we outlined it in the book. So but basically what that says is that Canada has to pretty much hand over control to to the to the any US group that comes and that's what happened with a shag Harbor incident the US can't got involved immediately it became like a they put it in a black box. And they stick they stick when we say stick handle like an hockey they stick handle the Canadian military so the Canadian military didn't even really know what was going on really yeah yeah only the brass and the guys who were hands on like the divers what are really known what was going on.

28:24So and that's is that still is this a current protocol that they follow. That's a good question I don't know I think they probably updated it but now but yeah that's a good question I don't know. So I'm curious so where did you come into all this the UFO research you start off in journalism if I'm not mistaken so where did you make the turn in the UFO research always interested in it from time I was a kid you know like. These things either speak to you where they don't and I remember being like 12 years old going to library you know and taking out all the books on UFOs I could and being blown away looking at these old blurry black and white photographs but like these are clearly craft yeah yeah like a big amp the emperor has no clothes moment where it's like you know all these military government the teachers at school are all like delusional that don't exist yeah. You know so that's that was my first moment of like okay you guys are all you know delusional and you know the emperor has no clothes and you're all playing along so I could see that at an early age so I was always interested in it and then in the mid 90s I just started university and.

29:41And this book came out I mean I spent I spent a lot of my money at this new age bookstore in Cambridge called seven stars you know and that was all the conspiracy stuff and all the UFO stuff I could get my all my page back from the cafe I was working out there at that that bookstore you know and. And with university once I was in university I was I was the editor of the school paper and I was I'd write stories on it I remember Mark Carlotto's book came out on the monument the face on Mars and that was when they did the first 3D rendering and you can see this is you know this is some serious geometry there. And and then a book came out called abduction by doctor John Mack who is a Harvard psychologist and psychiatrist and that book was amazing so he was dealing with abductees he was on Oprah Larry King at the time was a big deal he was really the first person to really take it into the mainstream. And they almost kicked him out of Harvard they tried to kick him out for it really but he was so impeccable with his research that they they couldn't do it he was so brilliant so that you know I was taking a semester off as living a Boston and I went to the Harvard Employment Center looking for a job I was taking night classes there and I saw that doctor Max group it was called the program for psychology and social change.

31:06And then it turned into peer which is the program for extraordinary experience research. And that was his group where they dealt with abductees so I saw that they were hiring for a work study program so I applied and they hired me and you know that was the same I was just like 21 and I was just getting into like meditation Buddhist meditation. Kundalini yoga and like all this sort of stuff and so I was just it was good that I had the yoga and the meditation to ground me you know because I was also really far out with the psychics and the yeah I was actually approached I was seeing a healer there at that same time and she's she's this beautiful young woman and she was doing you know this energy work on me and she says you know I live in sale. Salem mass choose for us I Boston she says you know and I'm a witch and I'm in a cub and and the head of my cousin says that you were in our past life during the Salem witch trials really.

32:15I was like okay that's interesting and then and later I was doing my genealogy and I found out that my ancestors was Samuel Cutler who came over on the Mayflower and he was he was involved in the witch trials. He actually it was his it was one of his servants who was accused of witchcraft and he wrote a letter defending her and he's even the character in the scarlet letter anyway so I thought oh that's funny like and then later I found that there is a genetic component to reincarnation. But anyway so that was a little divergent but that's what that's what it was like for me at that point so I started working at peer and and like the first time I went in there there was all these children like five to 10 and they were all psychic and all had a lot of them were their parents are abductees and a lot of them were experiences and but Dr. Mac approach to it from a lot of his way of interpreting it was through Native American or or indigenous African South American.

33:26Shock shamanistic his interpretation of UFO phenomenon less as a technology and more as a spiritual phenomenon yeah which is the correct way to interpret it yeah really. Like I said earlier when you're just getting into it's like this stuff either speaks to you or it doesn't which ring just rings which I know it's pretty apparent it's a pretty obvious statement to us but it makes sense to you know some people just doesn't resonate with them yeah some people you you you tell them and they're just not interested at all they just. They don't fall asleep even yeah. I when I years ago I was having a bonfire and I saw something in the sky just zoom in in the body of mine we're both looking at like do what is there like it's not a plane like we're just trying to figure it out like we're like totally drawn to this thing trying to figure out what we're looking at and everyone else at the fire just kind of like look back and went back to talking to zero interest.

34:39And what is this like I cared about nothing else yeah like why aren't you guys interested yeah it's just funny like you like you said it speaks to you or it doesn't I like it yeah and yeah and if it doesn't speak to you you're not going to look up you're going to be shuffling looking at your shoes where if you don't look then you can't make contact with it and if you make contact with it then sometimes it makes contact back with you yeah well I was actually thinking the other day like how many people have actually. Probably senior opposed but they they're just it's not even in their realm of thought at all so they just they literally don't see it or just ignore ignored it or oh that was weird whatever. Yeah yeah it's just nothing out of the normal thing was flying around that's interesting yeah like I think that's sometimes the same with ghosts like sometimes I've been I've seen. What would be a ghost but I just turn around and then I just ignore it and then later I was like wait a minute what was that thing yeah I just ignore it how often does that happen where we see things and our brain just decides to shut it off or we just tell ourselves like oh it was probably nothing and yeah miss it yeah that's it's fascinating it really is there's a whole there is a whole other world out there I'm convinced I mean I've been

36:03I'm convinced because I'm living it you know you can't ignore once you're part of that that's where you know that's what a research that's why you started researching want to know more you have to know more exactly yeah it's it's the greatest satisfaction that knowledge you know nothing better than that oh yeah yeah totally agree and one of the things like Leon Isaac Kennedy said in Hawaii like you know we have all this knowledge all this knowledge but you know what good is the knowledge if we don't apply it to our life so whenever you actually take that knowledge and do something with it like write a book or whatever it might be you know and actually the Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going blending rugged muscle with precision engineering all supported by Toyota's time tested legacy of dependability step into Tundra and feel the unyielding capability with the available I force max engine Tundra puts out impressive power torque and towing performance and the

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38:10job there was mostly was I would so you have to picture like this is communion communion by Wittley street bridge is coming out it's just really entering the mass consciousness of America at that time right yeah great book by the way and so suddenly all these people with these weird memories it's starting to click into them that something's going been going on so it was like a mass awakening and so what I so they would contact here because they were they heard a John Mac and they you know he was you know he had the credentials and and we would hook them up with a therapist we had a master list of therapists all around the world in every state in the United States that was trained to deal with abductees so they would call her right and I would send them I would connect them with someone in their area who was trustworthy to deal with these matters but you know sometimes you know we would get calls people yelling hysterical you know the UFOs in the backyard the aliens are come trying to get me you know like at the same time we'd also have people calling

39:26being like I want to be adopted I think we've all had that moment before you see you see the meme I will literally pay you to abduct me yeah so be careful what you wish for that yeah yeah exactly that's very true I a friend of mine he's he's had many Sasquatch sightings he's big until he's big into the Sasquatch claims to have communication with them and I was asking I mean I was like I would really love love to know I would love to have my own communication where some things I can do but you know I just whatever and he that's the first thing he says be careful what you wish for and and I was like why he goes because it's going to open up a whole world that you're not you might not be ready for

40:27yeah no literally I mean consciousness is a primary element of this phenomenon so not only did they communicate like through dreams but also through waking consciousness you know it happens all the time that's that's the method so that's how you can you can initiate contact through you know through your intention and through your through your mind manifestation yeah you you have to manifest that you have to create it yeah I get it I get into that in the book a couple stories of my experiences were where that happened I asked them for a sign and they rolled out of an impressive piece of technology and and it wasn't just me there was other people there so it was it was really humbling actually yeah that's I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to check out your book and give it a read I'm more than fascinated on Amazon I can also send you a copy I can I can also just send you

41:30any book you copy of it really easy oh that'd be that'd be great I appreciate that so being out in up in Canada Nova Scotia what are your thoughts on Oak Island yeah so I spent a lot of time I wrote I've written a lot about Oak Island I spent a lot of time there did a lot interviews there um you know it's funny because I when I started to consciously get into the paranormal I thought well I might as well start my own backyard so Shag and Oak Island were in my backyard literally so you know there's there's a lot to it you know and the way I see it too is it's it's a it makes history come live when you can see it through these paranormal or conspiratorial lenses a lot of the stuff with like the this the the bloodline the the the holy grail the bloodline like

42:37the Dan Brown stuff the DaVinci code stuff yeah when you understand that this this is behind history this is like the primary one of the primary polls and pushes of of forces throughout history and it overlaps with the UFO with the ET phenomena as well oh yeah yeah because you know you've got the prior Zion which is sort of this secret society in Europe that's putting out a lot of this information disinformation you know sort of like illuminati type thing yeah and they seem to be positioning themselves as being uh this bloodline descended from the mervenians etc etc and then when you realize that these bloodlines are the ones that are um you know that made it with the Anunnaki or the whatever with with these ET bloodlines so that the reptilian DNA is in these

43:40rulers then you can see that maybe they're trying to position themselves if there is some sort of disclosure that they're they could be positioning themselves for a new sort of divine right of kings yep yep nailed it's the same old royalty but they're like and now we have the you know the ET gods DNA so where do your natural rulers now you know yeah we have the divine right to rule the Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going blending rugged muscle with precision engineering all supported by Toyota's time tested legacy of dependability step into a Tundra and feel the unyielding capability with the available i Force Max engine Tundra puts out impressive power torque and towing performance and the roomy high tech cabin keeps you connected on the go or take a look at Tacoma made for drivers who push past the path agile tough and relentless with available features like crawl control portable JBL speaker a power lift gate so gear goes in fast and the adventure keeps moving the Tacoma and Tundra are engineered to endure

44:44season after season mile after mile so drive one home today visit toyota.com or stop by your local Toyota dealer to find out more Toyota let's go places yeah so are we still talking about Oak Island the holy blood holy grail overlaps with Oak Island that's sort of the key to understanding it now I mean it's pretty clear that it's it was a military operation from from the 1750 was the latest workings you know so that's clear and it given the timing and the the caliber of the working is the digging um we know that it would have been uh British military British military yeah and the timing what happened was they were they went down to Havana and they sacked Havana they sacked all the gold that the Spanish had taken from South America and they they were going to use it to overthrow the king and put in

45:51their guy in gray Britain but they stopped here for the winter uh hit some of it at Oak Island basically is what it sounds like now it's not that simple of course no because they the British knew about it probably through Francis Bacon who was involved in the secret societies and it had been used probably from the time of the Templars we know the Templars were coming here um in the 1300s it was going to be the new Jerusalem so they had you know some sort of crazy technologies too probably the Templars spiritual technologies sacred knowledge anyway um in addition to great wealth and because they also had the maps from their for Viking forebearers they had the maps that could navigate there were the only people who could navigate the globe at that time so they knew about here they knew about Oak Island and they they had and it was probably a repository for some of some of their treasure but

46:56you know there's theories that it could go back to like the bloodline of King David the sort of thing and maybe they buried some of the bodies there it could also be you know it could be the stasis giants there there's some there's some stories that are unverifiable saying that they sent down a submarine there um like five or six years ago and they retrieved some some of these ancient bodies of these ancient bloodlines there with you know with some whenever some sort of uh you know uh goods you know uh sacred sacred items of one sort or another but the interesting thing I'll tell you about Island that not a lot of people know is that there is tunnels out of Oak Island to other islands in the area that's right yes so that's where they can be looking you know there's a lot of and I think a lot of it has been found already you know but even going back to the original

47:57workings like uh when Daniel Smith supposedly found it like in 1850 they've been finding pots a gold there for a long time and I'll tell you like a lot of big Canadian businesses like seers maybe got their start because they found Chesa gold at Oak Island and they didn't tell anybody and they started their family fortunes that way well that's the you know Samuel Ball he was one you know the slave who escaped and became wealthy and had properties on Oak Island yeah where do we get that money yeah yeah uh what's what so what we do know about Oak Island though is they have they have found you know almost uh between 150 to 200 feet below the ground when they're doing this cord drilling and stuff uh remains a human bone that actually uh after testing come from Europe so so we know that the Europeans have been there and actually you know just following the history channels show and doing some of the research on my own what's amazing it's it's already

49:02rewritten American history but where is that information in in a textbooks in our education system I'm saying history come alive they should really include it makes it so much more interesting it it it connects so many dots yeah and uh yeah that as far as there being tunnels going to other islands there's there I've seen those theories I've seen the people come forward and claim that I I was uh I'm a member of Mufan you know mutual UFO network and I was at one of the meetings and every year this lady Margie Kay she's a well-known channeler uh she comes to speak speaks every year and and she just started going into Oak Island on her own she decided she wanted to she had such amazing results with the channel and she wanted to know it was on Oak Island they told her the arc of the covenant and other religious artifacts but it would never be found because it's an ET technology that we're not ready for yeah and I uh so it's just you know that that's neither here

50:06either here nor there but it's still I think that's likely and that will go back to the Templars yes and which makes sense how you said they all have the ET bloodline this is a there's something there that is beyond just a goal a chest of gold yeah exactly now it's interesting the holy grail holy bloodline theory um I mentioned Bill Bueller he's a channeler who channels a lot about Oak Island and the same the same as uh your Margie uh same results but he um now there's a guy called Bill Mann who who I've met and I've worked with he's written several books he's a he's a Templar and um there's other evidence as well there's there's plenty of physical evidence for at least Henry Sinclair was the guardian of the of the Templars he was basically he was after the Templars he he built Roslyn Chapel and uh started the the new Freemasons so he was the link between

51:07the Templars and the Freemasons so he came here in um in the 1400s and um and he he has there's also the Xeno map the Xeno narrative is is another document that outlines that the Templars came here and there would have been a ton of them there would have been like 500 of them plus farmers settlers you know they had a whole little settlement here but the idea is that what happened was they're protecting the treasure that they were protecting was the bloodline itself now the bloodline would maybe be the bloodline of Jesus and Mary Magdalene who but beyond that what is it is it you know is it ET bloodline is the idea yeah now and so it goes back to the cathars who were burned by the church for protecting the the grail and the grail was the blood the bloodline so the idea was that they brought this bloodline here to Nova Scotia the Templars and they hid

52:10them and they hid it by mixing them in with the indigenous population with the Migma who they had a warm relationship with unlike Columbus they you know they lived with them and they and they got along with them so that's the latest theory behind the holy bloodline holy grail in Nova Scotia that they mix the the bloodline with the indigenous people here yeah and that makes that makes perfect sense I mean just a lot of the findings alone just even the physical artifacts it all ties it in there's there's a clear storyline here you know there's a matter of connecting the bats at this point and but one of the things that she said was they're never that's not they're not going to find it and we've all heard of the curse you know it's it just seems like anything that can go wrong will go wrong so I just can't help but think there's some type but otherworldly power

53:14that are forced that's that's kind of kind of has it has oak island by the strings like a puppet and well I mean if it's the if it's the the grail or the the arc of the covenant you know they're going to the powers that be would know that and they would have already retrieved it or they be protecting it you know exactly they're they're it's not it's not going to be a discovery to the public but yeah there's there's some organization that already knows exactly what's there we you know there's a little tidbits you know they'll give us like you say a chest of gold maybe you know yeah I'll be happy with Francis Bacon's original manuscripts which is a lot of what some people think is is there as well showing that he was Shakespeare yeah yeah I was going to say that actually and within within Shakespeare you can apply these codes and and they definitely talk about oak island

54:17and and how to get there I don't know if you can see the the painting behind me the shepherds of Arcadia yeah yeah oh nice so that one you can that was by Nicholas Puse and that also has it has the sacred seal Solomon which is basically like the star of David in a circle that's built into the geometry of the painting but within that supposedly you can also derive a treasure map that leads to Nova Scotia and over in the painting wow there's so many theories about even to shake to Shakespeare's books even being a map themselves within within the pages yeah really yeah it's and actually if you look at if you look at what some of these researchers who came up with I mean this it's it's very plausible that there might be something going on there oh yeah and they have

55:19they have recovered you know ancient book bindings and manuscripts and with with certain types of inks that are very rare they were used by only high-class people they so they're a part of the parchment yeah in con parchment that would have been used at the time of Shakespeare yeah they've retrieved really on the Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going blending rugged muscle with precision engineering all supported by Toyota's time-tested legacy of dependability step into a tundra and feel the unyielding capability with the available i Force Max engine tundra puts out impressive power torque and towing performance and the roomy high-tech cabin keeps you connected on the go or take a look at Tacoma made for drivers who push past the path agile tough and relentless with available features like crawl control portable JBL speaker a power lift gate so gear goes in fast and the adventure keeps moving but Tacoma and tundra are engineered to endure season after season mile after mile so drive one home today visit toyota.com or stop by your local

56:22toyota dealer to find out more toyota let's go places but you know do you ever hear the story like FDR Franklin Delano Roosevelt before he was president he he was one of the early treasure hunters at Oak Island he would have been like in his 20s because he you know he he lived in Maine in Campabello so it was just a quick sale over but his he messed it a lot he put 50 pounds of dynamite down the shaft and blew it up really yeah yeah no logic there yeah why do you think it would loosen some stuff whatever but I mean it's gonna it probably would ruin some you know stuff water log everything at best yeah which I have a feeling the the majority of some of the just just a physical treasure it has been destroyed I think yeah despite the searcher just from searcher searches alone it's been disturbed it's been gone over over 200 the government really

57:26should have taken the reins of this and they should have made it an official archaeological dig and then they could have you know they could have done it right and then they could have opened it you know it would have had tourism potential and it would have had scientific validity instead just open it up to any Yahoo treasure under yeah or maybe they understood how well it's hid they understood that maybe let them waste their time out because they're never gonna find it anyway yeah you could you know why draw all this attention spend all this money when when we don't have to worry about it yeah maybe you don't want to draw the attention to it but yeah it's possible the the conclusion I came to after interviewing some engineers there was that they really the only way to get past the flood tunnels was to do this technique that they use for drilling for oil in in frozen lakes which is basically you dig down the 250 feet you dig

58:30posts all around it so for say for 150 feet around and then basically what you do is you freeze it it's basically like cold radiators and they make us a slush and they freeze it so then you've got like a four-foot wall of ice and then you have to dig out the center from that because otherwise it keeps flooding yeah that I mean that's clearly what everyone's running into is the flood tunnels I mean that's what stopped it every time yeah for 300 years so this is the only way to get past that so that's a huge operation to do imagine like a 250 foot circular wall of ice yeah it's yeah well I mean I don't know if you're familiar with some of the workings that are that that are going on there now I mean they are spending millions and millions of dollars yeah building a car for damn and all kinds of stuff to hold back to see water and and I mean my dad the dynamite the sonar testing yeah it's dude I don't I wish I knew the dollar amount I mean they may be spending so much

59:33money that might not even be worth it you know yeah question whether they applied that money in the right way you know the way I was talking about they must be familiar with it because every it's what everybody has been talking about that's the only way to really do it but this is certainly dragging it out for rating so oh yeah as far as the history show show yeah definitely and they what's in what I like about that show it's probably the only show I actually watched just because I'm fascinated with the island itself yeah it's it's the only series I would say that I keep up with and my favorite part about it is that so many people get angry with it because they're not finding anything it's very lackluster sometimes but it's real like it's real no they're not like like hyping it up making up this some like you know theatrical thing it's just like sometimes it could be extremely boring but you're you're experiencing what they're experiencing so I guess it would be kind of reality TV at its core what it's supposed to be you know I like when they

1:00:35brought in the history too you know like some of the researchers and the the rose accrucian angle I don't know if you saw it that was a couple of seasons ago yeah I've seen them all so yeah yeah so that that that brings in the history that we're talking about the the holy bloodline theories and this sort of thing so that's that's a nice addition to it yeah like well the history alone is fascinating it's it's worth it just just to understand some of that you know yeah I was looking at a history book called Wharton to the North about the history of Halifax here and they go back to that time in 1750 when the British military had sacked Havana and they stopped here for the winter and it was just hilarious because they had so much money right so they so all the soldiers got a big allotment of money so all the hookers and all the bars were just full all winter here that they were digging and and bearing the treasure absolutely big party here the whole winter

1:01:38with the British with the British military here wow that's funny that's funny uh so you said before we started the day we were you had you were you started off in journalism you kind of got away from it and you were getting into telling us how you were getting back into it and you have a magazine your uh publishing is that correct yeah we're doing an online magazine called salarian times and you know we've recruited a whole bunch of independent journalists um people you probably would have heard of a lot of female journalists um on the ground in Syria and Venezuela basically we're we're publishing a lot but we're putting out quite a bit of virtual material as well and the focus is on basically um analyzing censorship and war propaganda in the corporate military in the corporate press you know and all the press these days it's just in a sad state you know basically it's 90 percent military um propaganda you know oh yeah keeping these wars going

1:02:45you know through false flags and you know the the corporations and the and the uh and the media is just totally on and it's always been like that you know going back to William Randolph Hurst you know they were using the the media to propagate false wars anyway so we're analyzing that um my partner is in London England so we'll we'll we'll have a UK US and Canada sort of center to it and we'll be multimedia as well so we'll have like um video analysis sort of bite size pieces that you can you know if you can press place you don't have to read the whole story you can just press play and listen to us reading the story and analyzing it through you know the lens of um being aware of what's propaganda and what's and what's real that's very is there a timeline and when we when yeah it'll be we're we're designing it right now we've got the content so it should be up in

1:03:46the next month or so it's called it's salarian times dot com so pretty soon that's yeah check it out salarian times that yeah yeah uh spell that salarian so l a r i a n salarian yeah so which just means having to do with uh the solar solar system you know uh nice yeah i like that i like their name a lot but you know we had such a good time in Hawaii uh cosmic waves and you know i got a lot of ideas from listening to Cory good you know um i got to some ideas for stories that i'm i've been working on not to do a salarian but just for my own blog and stuff i mean that idea when i was talking about the bloodlines because i've been researching the holy blood holy grail phenomenon the the priory of zion in europe and and he mentioned how with disclosure that um that the elite could be setting themselves up to uh have this divine

1:04:54right of rule so i thought well you know i know about both of those things and now we can see that they could actually be joined together so i got a lot of good ideas at that that week you know just i was so inspired um everybody was and i mean if people didn't come away with that with ideas i mean i already know people who've started youtube channels since they've been back right it was definitely an activation event for sure it is uh it was it was incredible did you what did uh what did you experience swimming with the dolphins by the way did you have any uh any cool experiences with them i mean it was just a beautiful thing you know um i felt very natural and sort of um pre-thought like i wasn't i was just feeling my heart in the environment i wasn't my mind wasn't sort of overlaying thoughts and analysis you know i was just very in the moments and that's a really special place that pre-thought you know that in that place where we exist

1:05:56without without having to bring in uh words and and analysis you know just like being present it's a very pure it's a very pure state and you see that with dogs and dolphins you know they they live in that in that moment in that moment all the time yeah there's no anxiety because anxiety is worrying about the future even if it fits your next step you you've gotten really that anxiety i noticed you know when i first got into the water it was very you know i'm still trying to figure out how to breathe you that mask and all that stuff and as soon as the dolphins swim everything just calm i forgot i just was able to breathe relax it was it was incredible it was a magical experience it really did just the Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going blending rugged muscle with precision engineering all supported by Toyota's time tested legacy

1:06:58of dependability step into a tundra and feel the unyielding capability with the available i force max engine tundra puts out impressive power torque and towing performance and the roomy high-tech cabin keeps you connected on the go or take a look at Tacoma made for drivers who push past the path agile tough and relentless with available features like crawl control portable jbl speaker a power lift gate so gear goes in fast and the adventure keeps moving the Tacoma and tundra are engineered to endure season after season mile after mile so drive one home today visit toyota.com or stop by your local Toyota dealer to find out more toyota let's go places yeah like you said just you were just present in the moment at that time it was very very uh it was it was changing life changing for me now you're exactly right in that state of if we're not worried about the past or anticipating the future then there's no anxiety because we're in the present moment it's a beautiful thing yeah and i mean and that's the closest that i mean i think that's the enlightened state you know

1:08:03i think we touch i think we touch enlightenment all the time you know every day just it's fleeting though you know and then and then our worries come in but it's it's our natural state of being yeah it's not necessary some exotic faraway hello you know uh you know ascending to the stars type of thing i think it's a very practical human it's our natural state of being is a little little bit enlightened when when when when it can be in the moment absolutely and that's um that's where that's where life happens too is in the moment because if you think about it the past and the future don't really exist except in our minds right because it's always now it's always the present moment so when you're worrying about the past or you're worrying about the future you're you're you're your your your mind's in a place that doesn't exist and you're not you're not able to

1:09:05live truly because you're not in the present moment so um yeah so that's why meditation is so important because it really brings you back to the present and to your awareness and uh and you just become the awareness of who you are exactly yeah well said very well said thank you hey um um yeah meditation is one of those things that i think a lot of people struggle with especially when you're new to it um it's just trying to get it without letting those outside thoughts just bombard you know like i struggled with it a ton when i first tried to get into meditating um but we're always meditating you know meditation just means getting used to so yeah whatever we get our we get our mind used to if we get used to overthinking or about um anxiety or selfishness or hatred then we then we're meditating on that and our mind that becomes our default position

1:10:09for our mind yeah and we sit and formally meditate it's not so much about getting the thoughts away it's it's about not getting carried away so you have the thoughts that's okay thoughts are good but then you just come back to the breath yeah and you can observe your observe your thoughts rather than um because because most people are making and being the thoughts right yeah yeah most people are constantly are living in an unconscious state where their thoughts are kind of controlling them in a way but when you take a step back and you're and you you're able to observe your thoughts instead of just reacting all the time and yeah being then like you said um yeah that that's how panic occurs you know when you're when your thoughts control you uh in meditation with all of that stuff anxiety panic fear everything exactly like like you said it's about it's about having the thoughts but reminding yourself consciously coming back to the state like we just wiping

1:11:11the slate continuously throughout the meditation just don't get carried away with the thoughts I like the way you put that yeah so we can just label ourselves thinking and just by labeling it we can separate ourselves from it yeah yeah exactly because you're not you're not the mind that's thinking you're you're the awareness behind that that's that's you that's the true self that's your true self so um if you can yeah kind of go into that awareness when you're and right and then and that way if we practice that way then we don't have to formally sit down all the time then we realize that we're always meditating and we can always come back to the present and we can let go over our thoughts and come back that was gonna be that all the time and there's there's so many ways to do it uh I don't know if you met Nigel down in Hawaii if you remember meeting him uh he explained to us one day you know he don't have to close your eyes to meditate you you don't you know which is

1:12:15a lot of a lot of people understand that but we think he just has to close your eyes and get in this position yeah you can you can sit down in a beautiful beach of Hawaii and look up or look at wherever you want to look at and just appreciate it and that's meditating also I was taught to practice with my eyes open um I think just for that reason so you don't separate it from your everyday life so it's not like I'm meditating and now I'm not meditating yeah eyes are closed also it's easy to sort of trip out and get and go on some psychedelic journey and you know what I mean real meditates very grounded it's not like a psychic experience really it's about just being in your body present doing you know it's about doing what you're doing it's nothing nothing else you know if you're chopping vegetables you're chopping vegetables with attention that's what you're doing that's meditating so that's why it's beneficial to to keep your eyes open so you don't separate it

1:13:15the Toyota Tundra and Tacoma are built to keep going blending rugged muscle with precision engineering all supported by Toyota's time tested legacy of dependability step into a Tundra and feel the unyielding capability with the available iForce Max engine Tundra puts out impressive power torque and towing performance and the roomy high tech cabin keeps you connected on the go or take a look at Tacoma made for drivers who push past the path agile tough and relentless with available features like crawl control portable JBL speaker a power lift gate so gear goes in fast and the adventure keeps moving the Tacoma and Tundra are engineered to endure season after season mile after mile so drive one home today visit toyota.com or stop by your local Toyota dealer to find out more Toyota let's go places and that that's part of that goes along with the whole awakening is is doing everything with intent if they're even the smallest thing I guess that's the way like I guess samurai and like ancient people all over the world really used to do things but they

1:14:17did everything with intention it wasn't just you know non-solidly do this or whatever like you perfectly described it cutting vegetables just and then talking to you know the vegetables are talking you know just being connected with everything nature in your entire existence drawing it all together hopefully we don't with love mix the food tastes better yeah yeah it's true something that we're all we're all been disconnected from it at some point you know it's earth still are let's say how we do small things how do the small things is how we do the big things how we do one thing is how we do everything yep somebody I actually noticed that too I would mean this guy would carpool the work every day and we take the sidewalk around and every day he would take the sidewalk and every day I would cut the cut the he would take

1:15:20the sidewalk and I would cut the corner and just because and so and I honestly I started consciously thinking about it I was like like that applies to all aspects of my life at that time you know always cutting corners it really if you start if you ever will observe your life in that manner you can really start making changes and this is before I even understood what any I didn't even know what awakening meant back then but I was already doing it on the subconscious level which is just interesting you say yeah you're thinking the same thing recently like it's almost like holographic or fractal you know like the same patterns it's or symbolic you know the same patterns psychologically apply to you know how how you know I wrecked my car you know because I let it get too hot and then too cold and then you know the same patterns I can see applying on all different scales in my life yeah and as soon as you step back and observe the

1:16:24that's that's when you take control takes yeah and the one that's why it's so important to focus inwardly and change yourself because so many people are trying to change their environment they're trying to control their environment and change everything on the outside and it works and they're just scrambling running around trying to you know but they're never working on their on themselves and they're never looking inward and examining themselves and being like what yeah like what we just talked about and that's where change happens is that's so true and that's my experience as well you know I've been studying Buddhism for quite a while and you know and I was I was waiting for some big mystical revelation and what they taught me was basically like clean up your room yeah you know like clean up your shit before you go trying to

1:17:25change the world why don't you clean up the vomit that you're spewing all over everybody first exactly but then but then I did I did learn about real magic though then to what you were saying and what and the way that it manifested was I saw that when I was processing things inwardly through practice and so on I would be when I was able to be positive with my intent inside the external world would manifest that and similarly when I was like narrow teeny neurotic pissed off it would seem like externally that the world would react I was like that is schizophrenic that's impossible yeah but it would it would it was it didn't seem like it was in my mind like it seemed very real that negative things would happen when I was in that state of mind yeah when I was positive process state of mind that things would work better and that positive things would happen

1:18:28and I realized that is real magic if we can actually change the external world by changing our internal world even if it's just perception but the point is that it's not just perception it actually is co-creating your reality yeah an objective way like and that that's crazy that's I mean that's and that is true magic that's definition of magic I'm pretty sure that's what magic is basically yeah because we're that's we are the we are I mean we're god experiencing himself in different points of awareness and we you know we just are amazing beings like that we we're all creators and we're always creating we just don't realize it yeah we realize that we have that potential right yeah yeah and that's and that's the thing that you know our whole world in society you know when you when you dig into the conspiracy stuff and you you realize who's

1:19:33been running the show you know putting out all the information in the media and everything else in governments um where we've been the ones with the power the whole time it's just that they've tricked us into creating the reality that they want so they show us all the stuff that they want us to create and then we react to it and then we create and then and we don't realize where the ones doing it but as soon as we wake up to that it's game over you know and that's why they've kept they've kept that information hidden so so tightly for so long um yeah they just want people to get addicted to the bait you know that whatever they put out you get addicted to it and that becomes your reality and yeah it's yeah that's a visible visible change and invisible jails you know yeah and you mine and you literally people people I should say people because we've all been there

1:20:36all of us oh yeah yeah we've all been there uh we we still I don't know about you guys but you know I still find myself getting pulled into that sometimes oh yeah depending on it's a continual growing process for sure yeah yeah it's yeah it's definitely it's never ending it's never ending and as soon as you think you've made it appear you know something will happen and all something like shit I'm back here again yeah no yeah and that's why it's so important to every single day you know just make it a daily practice to remind yourself of all these things and and to meditate and to make sure you're living in a conscious way because it's very very easy to just go right back into living unconsciously and living like that so no but the reason I went to cosmic waves you know was to be around like minded people because it's easy to lose your perspective and to lose your inspiration if you're not surrounded oh yeah people who can remind you of these

1:21:42all these things exactly it's it's literally like a reset when you go and surround yourself with these people like Laura Eisenhower said she says when you start participating in DNA activating and consciousness lifting uh in activities such as these events and you know because like you said the further and further and further or the longer and longer you are away from it the further removed you become and you do lose motivation and you do start questioning things until you're surrounding you see all these people just activate and light up and it lights something up and you and uh it's a reset yeah now it's very important so we have to create our own communities if there's not already one and this is what you're doing you know with your show it's a way of doing that connecting yeah it's vital yeah it's a way of connecting and uh man I gotta tell you it's become one

1:22:44of my favorite things every week uh just just having these conversations and learning so much aside if we weren't doing this I wouldn't we wouldn't get to do this you know yeah yeah uh and it's every week it's like it it's almost like a mini reset you know it's very inspiring to to be doing this and we get excited about having everybody are because so many people have some amazing things to say they don't they don't they don't always get a chance to say it to anyone sometimes yeah it's it well it's amazing I mean we we learn how much you know the people in this community are there's so many amazing people in this community that don't really get a platform ever or hardly ever or you don't realize how much everyone knows and how much wisdom and knowledge and how amazing so many people are in this community until you get to sit down and talk

1:23:45with them for an hour and an hour and a half and and that's what we get to do on this you know it's just a way to to sit down and connect and get to uh yeah just talk with amazing people so thank you for thank you for being on we're are you guys by the way so I'm located in uh St. Louis, Missouri I'm I was there until about a year ago and I moved to Kansas I'm in Wichita, Kansas actually right now but I'm yeah I'm considering actually moving back though so well we're spread out that's great yeah every every there it's all long distance and the you know most of the time I guess the majority of the guests have been from the west coast I would say yeah yeah yeah so far yeah yeah it's always like you always trying to figure out the time zones and the time differences yeah pretty good at it now yeah so I guess we'll we go ahead and start wrapping things

1:24:47up with that is there any last last things you want to say Graham before we uh sign off no I mean if there's anything uh that we cover that you want to hear more about but that's a rough sketch of what I've been up to yeah we've got we've got some other publications coming up we'll Chris is working on and uh follow up to the last book just to cover the new material um I mean I guess what we're hoping for is I feel like that this case could be like the tip of the spear for disclosure in Canada you have a disclosure in Canada if we can get you know um a government investigation going uh and certainly if if there's falsified naval logs that's enough that's a good um reason to have an investigation we know that there's a lot more like when when we were at the archives

1:25:47um they had to edit the the files before they gave them to us and they gave us probably about 10% of what it was there and they said they destroyed 80% of the UFO files that they get they just they shred them really yeah and so you know that's a lot of our history being lost there so we know there's a lot more that they know and um so we're just trying to do our little piece for uh disclosure in Canada anyway which obviously would tie into disclosure around the world and uh you know we feel that this case is it is a good um good opportunity to do that so that's what we're working on yeah yeah that's incredible so um when so you said there's a first book what was that called again well dark hog catch yeah that's that gets still available online there's used copies are they're pretty expensive but uh yeah that's a great little book uh intro and then this one covers all the material from that one as well as well as what's been done the last

1:26:4810 years all together it's like a good 20 years of research in there um and then but as I say just the last year there's been a lot happening so we're gonna keep updating that yeah yes keep doing it i'm excited to hear more about it i'm definitely going to check that out I have the book i'm the book i'm working on though it will have some of that some other UFO cases but also have some other paranormal stuff and in can from a Canadian perspective so we'll have some old dial and type stuff and um you know just how there's some other good stories that we've been collecting uh around uh can't Canadian UFO scene super excited super excited and I guess you want to tell um you have your own publishing company did you start it up correct yeah it's called Arcadia House Publishing so that was really just so I could be in control of the book you know and so you know we're also you know we've been talking to uh larger publishers for for distribution

1:27:48if you don't really have a great distribution network for international etc so um so we've just been doing like small small print runs and you know distribution in Canada a bunch of you know it's sort of just a platform for uh controlling our work and then you know uh having republished by other other larger uh distributors yeah that'll be great that'll be great get get it get it out there whatever it takes you know yeah yeah it deserves I mean we're on Amazon so you can get internationally but we we'd like to have the US proper US distribution yeah well yeah just uh just by doing that you'll get yourself into just uh publicity as well yeah so that's that's a big thing um all right well thanks thanks again for coming over here thanks you guys yeah all right we'll talk soon yeah thanks so much for coming on man it's great man appreciate good night good bye ciao take care man

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