Eon Podcast: Has the American Downfall Begun?

0:00Assalamu alaikum. I hope you're doing well. I hope this is a wonderful Ramadan for everybody. However, we're in a crisis as you are aware. We're here in Pakistan next to Iran, we're facing the crisis of the unprovoked assault by these rallies in the Americans. Dr. R. Michael Jones hadn't made a prediction. He had made a statement that I agree with wholeheartedly still that Tucker Carlson's interview with Mike Huckabee sort of unified the Arab street and saved quote-unquote a potential war effort against Iran. However, between the time that we recorded that program and now, as we're all aware, there has been a sustained series of attacks against Iran and Iran has responded in kind. Dr. R. Michael Jones, thank you for coming back, sir. And I'm not asking you for a defense of your statement. I understand completely what you said then. I'm simply asking about you. What do you think now about the and what do you think now about Tucker Carlson's new revelations about Qatiri and

1:05and Saudi intelligence catching a massage pies who were trying to sabotage civil facilities and to create chaos in the countries and the fact that the Iranis have officially contacted the Saudis saying that we did not attack the Saudi-Aramco facility, the oil facility. Right, right. So I was in Goldestown a few years ago and I met with the Ayatollah Shahood. And I don't know what I was expecting to talk about, but the first thing he started right out of the gate about talking how much how bad the Saudis are and how bad this is not Islam, this is your bad people and so on and so forth. And so I said, well, why is the sword on the Saudi flag? And he said because they spread their religion by conquest. And here we are. We're back, we go back now a thousand, over a thousand years, and the person still haven't forgotten the fact that Islam was imposed on them by military

2:11conquest. And he's still in a sense holding the grudge. And so I'm kind of, I don't know how to proceed here, but we never got any farther than that. And I'm saying if you want to understand why I was wrong with Tucker Carlson, you have to go back to these ancestral animosities that divide Islam. And my thought was that the outrageous nature of Huckabee's Zionism would unite them and it did unite them for about five minutes. And then they fell back to the default position, which is there is no unity in Islam. And the war between Persia and Arabia is still continuing after over a thousand years. They still can't get together and agree. So now the war has started as far as I'm concerned, so it's back and forth, we have technological issues right now. You've got these people, the United States is wedded to an obsolete military technology that was

3:19created after World War II. We are now at the end of the third republic. The third republic began in 1945, nothing lasts more than 80 years. And now we're at the end of that and we're starting to realize that there is a technological issue. We have a $14 billion aircraft carrier. The fundamental purpose of aircraft carriers is to keep the sea lanes open. This is the United States inherited this from the British, when we took over the British Empire. The whole point of Anglo-American foreign policy is to divide the Eurasian landmass. Make sure that these people don't agree with each other. Make sure that Germany never makes a railroad to Baghdad. This is make sure that Germany doesn't have a pipeline with Russia. This is the standard thing. You have to keep the sea lanes open because now the United States will sell liquefied petroleum

4:24to the Germans at six times the cost of what they were paying before. It's going to wreck German industry, but that's what we Americans believe in. Keep the sea lanes open. And the last thing I saw was that the United States Navy sank 11 Iranian, I don't know, destroyers, whatever they were in the Gulf of Oman. Okay, great. But the one reason you are there is to keep the straits of hormones open, and you can't do it. You didn't do it. You can't do it. It's impossible. And so we have a technological standoff right now, where it seems to be that everyone's good on offense, no one's good on defense. As a defense now is against these missiles, the United States has committed itself to more obsolete technology, the Patriot missile system, the sad interceptor missile system, and it doesn't work. It doesn't work. They are overwhelmed with

5:28cheap drones. They fire a $5 million missile to take down a $25,000 drone. And now they're running out of ammunition. So at this point, I think that the fundamental issues are these basic issues. Like Islam, do you have, can Islam create a united front against American imperialism? And it looks to me, I was hopeful after the Tucker-Cross Center, but it looks to me as if you can't do it. We've gone back to the default setting, the Saudis broke their, they got over their anger with Mike Huckabee, and sided with the Americans. And now they are paying the price. I'm not going to, I don't agree with the assessment of the thing. I told you last time as well that the Persian sort of, this thesis that I think a lot of Westerners and Persian nationalists have read into Persian culture. This is a post, a post-Cajard, actually Cajard dynasty phenomenon.

6:33Very well documented that you had Western educated Persians coming back and re-inventing the idea of Persianism and then, you know, harkening back to a glorious past of being Arabized and Islamized. And one of the funny things, I'll tell you, funny anecdote from that Ella was that the, yeah, this Islam was spread by the sword stuff and that we were subjugated. And this is a funny thing about Persian nationalism, that it's a completely defeated, defeatist nationalism. Their whole nationalism, we were created at some point, but then we were beat by every single savage on earth, whether that be Afghans or Arabs or Turks or whoever. And all people that they look down upon, which is funny to me. But that nationalism, a funny anecdote about that is that when he came back, he, even though this gentleman was a big purveyor of homosexuality in the boy loving form, very Persian, very Greek, very classically subcontinental. He, he, when he came back, I think he went to France, he came back and he realized and he started writing against homosexuality and Bacabazi because he said,

7:34it's very anti-nationalistic to love boys. It's nationalistic to love women because you produce progeny and so on and so forth. Right. And even though he had written long thesis about the defense of boy loving and how the Westerners don't even, you know, don't even know how good we have it or whatever. But this idea that Inan is the bastion of Persianism and it's, it's an identity that they've latched on to post the revolution. It's a dichotomy that they maintain of sheer religious, religious, eschatological, you know, ideas along with Persian nationalism, very Israel quoted by the way, I'm not going to lie. And it's an ideology they've held on to. And they've sort of been knocked into the center of the system by the American empire by because of the girlfriend's subsequent war on terror, the classical positions of Pakistan or Turkey or and Saudi would enjoy. We were all kicked out of those positions as, you know, patrons of the Bosnia, Chechnya Wars or Avwan Wars or Palestinian Jihad or whatever. We would have done those things and

8:35we were sort of pushed out of the way and the vacuum was occupied by the Shia crescent. This is the Shia crescent's existential fight. And I know you try to, you want this, you have this meta narrative about Muslim civilization and Persian civilization being distinct and that you see them as potential Catholics, but we do not see that happening. But our position was, the Sunni position classical, the Orthodox position was that we were pushed out of the center stage. Iran was supplanted. This is a fact there was the main ally for the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan and this is them exercising full foreign political control in the region. And I think strategic patience was a mistake. They should have acted earlier, but I don't think Iran will collapse after this by the way. I think Iran will come out of this bloodied and very weakened. What is ideal is if the Arab street can unify under the auspices of the Turks and the South Asian,

9:41Pakistani, Pakistan as a strength and create what the Israelis have called the Sunni axis, that is the unified front against Palestine that maybe you do not see in your lifetime due to your age, although I wish for you to live 100 more years and remain with us as a teacher and a guide, but it seems to me that this next quarter century is going to be a bad one for Muslims. And in that time, you have to build strength to fight the Israelis. As far as your idea about the technologies is concerned, I do agree with you, but I think the Americans, the American elite is doing that on purpose because sink a bunch of you know, USS Lincoln's or whatever, they don't care. I think they're going to receive back into the American technet and set fire to your Asia and part of that setting of fire is and even the Tom Hawks for example, the multimillion dollar Tom Hawks against the 20,000 dollar loans, they don't care because the American elite makes billions overnight. I think the stock market was at a record boom in Israel. I think the day before

10:44if I'm not wrong. So I think this is part of the part and parcel of the plan is to keep the Arab street divided and to burn out all these technologies and initiate what I think is the real new world order from the liberal world order, whatever the 30 public might be. Well, I don't think the American empire is going to survive because I don't think they are going to have any possibility of winning in Iran. This is going to be the death of Israel and it's going to be the death of the American empire. They will not succeed in taking over Iran. They cannot do that. They can fire all the missiles they want. It's not Gaza. It's not Iraq. It's a much bigger country. It has a much more ancient culture and identity. And when people like the United

11:44States attacks it, it unites the country in a way that it was not united before. It was not united before. There was always this division in Persia between the westernizers and the Islamists. And during the era of the Shah, it was the westernizers who were in power. And a lot of them left and went to Los Angeles where a lot of them lived now because they went into exile because of the Ayatollah coming to power. I think that the puppet they're trying to put in is the Shah's son. We see pictures of him periodically. He's got no following whatsoever. He's associated with the terrorist group, the M.E.K., the Mujahideen, a calc or something like that. A terrorist group that has no following in Iranian, among the Iranian population. So I think it could be a come down to a symbolic act like an attack on the Abraham Lincoln or an attack on the Gerald Ford.

12:47If the missiles get through, if that ship is disabled, if that ship has to pull out and sail back to wherever it is, I think that will be the high-water mark of the American Empire, the high-water mark of the Third Republic. And I think something new will come in after that. The whole point of this ship, this big, big ship, because $40 billion in the toilets don't work, is to keep the streets of Hormuz open. If you can't keep the streets of Hormuz open, you have failed. The American Empire has failed, and then you will see the unification of the Eurasian landmass, and America will pass, the Empire will pass into history, and the new empire, the new era will arise of a united Eurasian landmass with China having a railroad that goes from Shanghai to Rotterdam, making the sea lanes absolutely. We don't need sea lanes anymore, we have a railroad. That's

13:53the way I see it. No, I completely agree with you that the Americans are going to abandon the global trade project with the sea lanes, like they inherited from the British. But here is my position, which is something that I observed directly in Pakistan. So Pakistan is the first entry point for the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative, like you describe it, it's called the BRI, and we had railroads and highways and infrastructure to sustain that, built all across Pakistan from 2011ish onwards to the 2017. But then overnight, the Pakistani establishment, when some new people came in, they decided to roll back as usual and go back on their promises with the Americans. So that kind of subterfuge and that kind of sabotage is what's slowing down the Chinese sort of explosion into the Eurasian landmass as the big trading hegemony. And while I do agree with you that it's going to be land routes through going through Europe and Asia, through places like

14:54India, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and whatever, and then Europe going through Germany and maybe solving their energy crisis. Obviously, you feel especially for Germany as your homeland. And as the heart of, you know, I think the significant amount of just the study of theology globally. So that's going to happen fine. But I think what the Americans want to do is to delay the inevitable and to create chaos across the Eurasian landmass. It has vectors like India, like Israel, like the UK, for example, it has unfortunately Germany and France to a large extent under their control. And they have these tiny Eastern European states to act as a bulwark against Russia. So it has different vectors of approach to create, well, quite a lot of chaos in different regions and then to manage that control chaos not as a directive hegemony, but as an indirect sort of regional power in North and South America. That's what I see the fourth republic as.

15:56If you're talking about managing chaos, the chaos has to stop at the Straits of Hormuz. We have to have access to this energy, 20% of the world's energy passes through the Straits of Hormuz. So you can have people fighting over there. The British Empire was great for leaving behind a legacy of two groups that don't get along with each other and they will fight each other and they will remain weak. And Pakistan and India are a classic example. The Muslims and the Hindus left behind, classic example of divide and conquer. But you have to have the sea lanes open, you have to have what is Germany going to do right now? We blew up the pipeline. We blew up the Germans are so socially engineered. They can't even ask. They are the worst. If you're ever a group of people that internalize the commands of their oppressors, it's the Germans.

17:00They won't even ask who blew up their pipeline. So, okay, oh, you blew it up. Okay, we'll go along with liquefied natural gas. Six times as much, it wrecked our automobile industry, but we'll do it because we're good Germans. Well, now you don't even have liquefied natural gas to send them. That's going to break up NATO. NATO is on the verge of breaking up. Germany will have to access energy from Eurasia. It'll have to go back to get an energy from Russia. It will have to leave NATO because this will be the deter, this will be the tipping point. If I can't get those ships of liquefied natural gas out of the Persian Gulf and send them to Hamburg, we're going to have to break up because it's existential. We will not survive. That's why I'm saying this is it's going to come down to candy United States open the straits of hormones. And I'm saying they can't. I am going to go on prediction. I know I failed before, but that doesn't matter. I don't think

18:08I don't think the United States can open the straits of hormones. I don't think anybody feels they can do that. It's normal on the table for them. Is what aren't tactical weapons on the table for them for the Americans? For the for the Americans? Yeah. Look, I don't know what's this. We don't even have a table with Donald Trump as president. Have you seen that the latest press conference he's talking about putting gold up on the ballroom. The Americans are dying. He's totally delusional at this point. So I don't think so. I don't think so. First of all, I think the nuclear weapon of the atomic bomb is another form of obsolete technology. The atomic bomb was important because 80 to 90% of all of the bombs that got dropped during World War II, Mr. Target, bombing. This caused a the British found this out in 1940 and they completely shifted

19:09their war policy to bombing civilians, killing civilians. The whole American British war strategy was based on war crimes of killing innocent civilians during World War II because you can't bomb civilian targets. They don't let a bullet and a bomb are not directable. Now you have drones that are directed by space and they're very accurate and you don't need nuclear weapons anymore. So they're obsolete. So it's going to be this threat in the background that it's not going to play out anymore. The Iranians knew that. We don't need nuclear weapons. We can fire these drones and you can't stop them. So it's a new era that I think the Russians and the Chinese will I think that they have checkmated Israel's use of nuclear weapons. I think that Israel knows it cannot use nuclear weapons. It would be I mean look with the Israelis, they never got over

20:12a Masada and so they do have this suicidal tendency that when they panic and the war and it looks as if they're going to lose everything. They'll climb up to the top of the mountain and they'll stab themselves. They'll fall on their swords and take the sink that's going to solve the problem or something like that. So they do have this tendency. You cannot deny this when you rebel against logos, which is what Jewish identity is, anything's possible. So maybe they would. Maybe they would try. But I think that this is the whole point of Russian and China's involvement is to keep this within certain bounds. And one of the bounds is going to be going nuclear. So I don't think that's going to happen. In the conventional sense, I mean, everybody would agree with you that I don't think the Iranians, the gene will be thwarted. It's quite clear that they'll be able to fight this through for the next two, three weeks in China and then they might come out bloodied, but they will come out, you know, a whole and intact. The attempts with the Kurds, I think Trump spoke to the Kurdish leader last night and their attempts to make them cross

21:16the border and then, you know, totalize the local populations and then, you know, create a fifth columnist style, you know, buffer zone. I don't think those things are going to work. They might cause problems. But what is clear is that in this desperation, so this one of this is like a binary right is one of two opinions that I hear from very trusted, very credible people like yourself. It's the one of this is the end. This is the collapse of the big empire or the other is this is the the initiation of another phase of that empire, right? And it's never in between. It's never like, oh, you know, we won't we won't get destroyed, but we, you know, we won't be as strong and it's it never is a middle ground. It's always a zero and one I get from the from people who are either political or geopolitical experts or even, you know, theologians and literary men like yourself. The response always is a zero and a one, you know, it's either either done or this thing is, you know,

22:20is going through. And a lot is at stake here quite clearly. But my I'm cynical to think that the tech, the elites, the technocrat class, the, you know, the Silicon Valley people, they have some sort of esoteric or religious, you know, motivation to clearly engage in this. It's not just material, you know, gains. They're religiously motivated by this. I agree. I agree. That's why I like to talk about religious motivation. You're right. There is a religious motivation. And I'm saying the fundamental conflict that is coming out now in the United States is a conflict between Catholics and Jews. The Catholics are waking up to the fact that Jews are not our friends. We had 60 years of Catholic Jewish dialogue after the Second Vatican Council. A total delusionary failed experiment that the Catholics kept thinking, oh well, there are friends. No, they are our enemies.

23:24They are enemies of the entire human race. This is the basis of Catholic theology. That's not going to go away. They became our enemies when they killed Jesus Christ. I had no idea these are anti-Semite. I'm sorry. I have to end this. I am the number one. I hate to brag here, but I'm the number one Catholic anti-Semite. Wow. You know, it's not something I chose. It was put upon me. I have to admit that I am. So if you didn't know that, I'm sorry. I just wrecked your gig. Sorry. No, no, I'm kidding. Nick Land seems to agree with you, except the fact that you're an anti-Semite. You know, Nick Land is a character. Yeah, I know who he is. Yeah, this demonic character. Recently, very recently, he said that he agrees with you. We missed out about this last time. I was in a lot of regret afterward because I wanted to ask you this. He acknowledged the fact that you

24:27accurate in your assessment that the protestant sort of ethic is the hidden language of American hedonism, hedonism, satanism, whatever you want to call it. But then he obviously had to you know, he had to do the mandatory, but oh, but no, he's an anti-Semite. So I don't you know, but he did agree with you. Let me clarify this statement here. Anti-Semitism is a word that was created in 1871 by a German by the name of Wilhelm Mar who was a revolutionary. He wanted a biological understanding of Jewish identity. And so this is a racial designation. It means the Jews have bad DNA and there's nothing they can do about it. That is not the Catholic position. So the Catholic position is at the time of Christ, both parties, the parties that accepted Jesus Christ as a Messiah and the party crucified him. They both had the same DNA. So this is a meaningless distinction. The distinction is theological. It is rejection of low

25:33gossip. And so I'm saying the gospels are not anti-Semitic. The gospel of St. John, which uses the term luju 71 times. It's not anti-Semitic, but it is anti-Jewish. It's obviously anti-Jewish. They were fighting an existential battle at that time over who we're going to be the heirs, the children of Moses. Jesus said this. Yeah, this is a criticism, a theological one of belief systems of worldviews. It's not a genetic, you know, that, yeah, I can't really understand that. And I think even though Israelis and the Zionist law, we do not distinguish in this way manner, they try to cancel everybody with this. But it's quite clear that their choke hold over the media landscape is ending. However, it is funny to me as somebody in the third world that all the sort of, you know, head case conspiracies we had about the West, they're all true. Like all the stuff the mullahs used to say about the Western world and about how they're worshipping

26:37demons and they're the molest children and they live on. All kinds of strange things that we would hear growing up. It's all true. And the funny bit is that it's informed by people like Nick Land and it's the religion of the Silicon Valley, you know, tech billionaires that were sold to us as messiahs in the third world. They were sent here to peaches about humanity and about growth and technology and the whole religion of scientism was shoved down our frottas kids. Bill Gates was an icon in the subcontinent. Absolutely. Absolutely. He or Tony Fauci, Tony Fauci when the during the COVID crisis, you're not arguing Tony Fauci, you're arguing with science. Yes, wait a minute. I thought you were. No, this is the bad sign I was born under. It was science replaced science and replaced religion when I was born. I was born in 1948.

27:40I was when I was in my mother's womb, the Kinsey report came out. Kinsey report was a hugely important thing, more important Germany than it was in America. But it was basically a guy who was a study gall wasp. He was a bug. He looked at bugs and then he got Rockefeller money and then suddenly he was an expert on sexuality. What the bugs have to do with sexuality? But what was the magic word? He was a scientist. You know, as soon as you're a scientist, I think, okay, dogs have as much to do with sexuality as lobsters do as your friend. What's your friend's name? What was his name? The crying name. Jordan Peterson, the one who cries. In the Muslim world, you know, when he insulted the prophet, he there was this one lecture of his where he insulted the prophet. And it became very popular in the Muslim world that he will not he's not going to last very long because metaphysically and you know, and we were pleased with it,

28:46but it was sad, but you know, yeah, this bug thing. Can you tell people about this report? By the way, I've heard you talk about it and it's astonishing, but you need to really hammer this home for all the deceased listening to you right now. The bug expert going on to become the master of sexuality. Yeah, that was Alfred Kinsey. So he's a bug a bug guy who studies gall wasp in a Bloomington, Indiana, but then he gets Rockefeller money and then he suddenly becomes an expert. So I'm I'm in my mother's womb and the Kinsey report comes out, 1948, four months before I was born and it affected my entire life. It affected my entire life because that was one of the crucial aspects of social engineering, social engineering destroyed my life. And I've spent my life trying to write about. First of all, the sexual revolution was a social engineering, the destruction.

29:48So Kinsey is a scientist. At this point, he's put on the cover of 1953 on five years old. He's on the cover of Time Magazine and the story is he's a boy scout. Okay, their birds and bees got a crew cut bow tie. He was homosexual. No one knew that. And because he was homosexual, he was all the interested in homosexuality. And he was interested in destroying conventional morality, the sexual morality that was really the hidden grammar of American unity during this period of time. And the result was sexual liberation became a form of political control. And that's the speech that I gave all around Iran when I went there. And that's the story to this day. What happened is that the Ayatollah Commandee was right when he says that America was the great Satan. Okay, Satan is the one's the hidden grammar of America because all of the founding fathers

30:52were reading Paradise Lost by John Milton. You can't underestimate, look, I am a big poetry guy. You can't understand Persia unless you understand the influence of poetry. And you can't understand the English mind unless you understand the influence unless you read the poetry. And that was the hidden grammar of America. It was Satanism. And I don't know how the Ayatollah Commandee knew this, but he knew it kind of intuitively. And that's what it was. And now it went from theoretical Satanism, which is Protestantism, to practical Satanism, which is Judaism, which is the Epstein files. But the trajectory was the same over that period of time. And what America did was it lost its influence. It is lost its last shred of credibility right now. This was not the case as recently as 1989. 1989 to 1991 was the high point of American power because we defeated communism.

31:58And so I went to Poland. I traveled all around Eastern Europe. You traveled through Poland in 1990. If they knew you were an American, they want to run up and kiss your hand. You were the hero. Because you defeated the evil empire without any military power simply by the power of your ideas, freedom, all this type of stuff. That's all gone. It's all gone. I think the man who destroyed it was George Bush. But now you have a guy whose Trump is nothing but appetite. No rationality just appetite becoming totally irrational. So you turned, you created a country like mine. You subvert the sexual morality of the people, the American people of my generation, the baby boomer generation with things like Woodstock. And then you end up with people acting according to appetite. So you elect a man who acts according to nothing but appetite. And he loses his power. He loses

32:59rationality. He becomes like Samson blind, eyeless and Gaza. Grini at the middle with slaves. That's Milton's version of Samson and Delilah. So he become, nobody's going to follow someone like this. And so he's like they lost whatever politic, whatever philosophical or intellectual power they had. Now they're seen as just just big appetite that is just throwing itself around no rationality. And they're going to lose. I'm not going to follow people like that. So you have to understand how much prestige the United States lost because it started off talking about science. And it ended up that science was just a front for appetite. And that Kinsey was a homosexual and it was all a joke. It was literally a joke. The, and now nobody believes it. No, the thing that you highlighted, I mean, if anyone,

34:00the Muslim world is taking heed to your work and it's like a scared state story, we're seeing the West and we're terrified. And this is Ramadan. And Ramadan is the month when young people try to fix their lives. And every time I relate one of your books, recommend it to somebody or send some, some, some, some lecture or talk of yours or some interview of yours. They always end up asking me, all right, but the catch out of the bag, like the, the modern style of sexuality, the scientific, you know, the social engineering, it's all happened, right? What to consume? How to consume? It's all been informed. And how do we just go back? We will expect us to go back to tribalism. Um, like, do we just start having kids on one end? Is it? Yeah. Yeah. I was in a mosque. And I said to the, I'm preaching from the imams, chair. A lot took me and put me in that chair. And so I talked about sexual liberation and

35:01political control. I talked about the Israelis broadcasting pornography. But then I said, how many of you were married? 20 guys raised their hands. I went down the line. Not one man had one child. This is the end of the Persian Empire. At the end, I said, go back and have a get your wife pregnant tonight. Otherwise, Persian will disappear in 20 years. That is a fundamental demographic fact that the world is, this is not my crazy ideas. It's a fact. If you don't have children, you will be replaced. It's happening in Europe. I'm trying to tell the Irish of the Irish on half German on half Irish. They both have problems. Okay. This is the problem. If you don't have children, you will be replaced. If you are going to abort your children, 48% of all the pregnancies in England and in abortions. Don't be surprised when the Muslims show up and take over your culture. Don't be surprised when the Africans show up because nature

36:05appores a vacuum. That's what I'm saying. This is an objective fact. It's a turning point, a crucial turning point. And it can change. But the question is, do you have the will to change? Why aren't the Persians having children? This is what I tried to, when I sent you that article by Shahrazad. I had long, long conversations with this woman. I'm so grateful for these conversations. I never met her in person, but we have these long conversations. We speak English. We have the internet and she finally told me the story of her life. She's not the only person who was like that there. You've got nuclear physics and one day marriages. That's not going to solve your problem. You've got their objective facts. You have to open the straits of hormones. You can't get around that. You have to have children. You can't get around that. These are fundamental facts that you have to accept and you have to change your behavior if you want to survive.

37:10So that's that's that's specifically for Persians, but generally in the Muslim earlier recommendation would be you're you're probably anti-education for women beyond a certain point. I expect in terms of professional education. Listen, there is, if you look at the big numbers demographically, the more education the fewer children, it's inescapable. And Iran is the classic example of promoting women's education. Now I believe in education, but I believe that Pink Floyd was right too. You know, we don't need to leave those kids alone. Yeah, we don't need no education. We don't need no thought control. But education only can't eat your pudding. He said that that's one of the lyrics. If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.

38:16Look, let me get back to you on that. Okay. No, but yeah, the idea of thought control is quite obvious. It's quite what happened to what happened to education over the course of my lifetime? It was turned into thought control. That's what it was. That's the problem. So there is a real education. I believe in in logos. I believe that women have logos. Okay, but to train to to turn the entire feminine population into lawyers, which is what happened in America or nuclear physics, which is what happened in Iran is a mistake. You made a mistake. You don't have the tools to deal with this properly. So there's a very big resistance in the educated Muslim upper classes, especially very conservative people, but you know, this is the new disposition, which is that, you know, we can't put the journey back in the box and women need, you know, they'll find, you know,

39:18pecs that mean one thing to logistics that mean one thing and they'll make them mean another, as long as it's something about education and growth or whatever, they'll find religious or modern justifications for it. So there are pro women's education. Most religious people, at least they have to write lip service to it. They all want to increase their age of marriage in the Muslim world from 12, 14, 15, 16, 18, whatever it might be, to 18 or an arbitrary 21. They are pro contraception. They are pro-poornetic. Stop. You just crossed a red line. And this is serious because the Supreme Leader, may he rest in peace, made a huge mistake in 1989 by allowing contraception, by promoting, getting the government to promote contraception. It was a huge mistake. The Supreme Leader, Kamini, begged a law for forgiveness for that mistake. That was a huge mistake. If you want to talk about a red line that you cannot cross, it is contraception. You cannot have

40:23contraception. It just seems to me, theologically, everything that you want from us is just what the Sunnis are. All of these sheer mistakes, they're all quite the theologically, they don't we don't make this mistake. It's the upper class elites who run the government in the Sunni world do these things. But let me just talk about that. Is there going to be like an uprising against the Emirates from the Pakistanis who are working there because of G of G-Hod worldwide G-Hod? No, that's not how it works. No. The Saudi is a real country. But the UAE and the smaller, the smaller satellite countries, honestly, I can't say. In Bahrain, it's quite clear that Iran's doing a very light to keep the pot boiling, but not the boil over. It's not very intense. It could start when Saudi as well. The south of Saudi has a large cheer population, has a big South

41:25Asian diaspora. In Saudi, it's much more difficult. In the smaller Gulf states, maybe they don't have enough population density to sustain any sort of, you know, but I think that would be folly. I think that would be folly. They would lead to chaos. And that's not what we need right now. I think the Fatwa that you are referring to is it's sheer cleric who's given that Fatwa they've met in Iraq doesn't hold much credence with the Sunni world. And Fatwa's are not like universally binding in any sort of, you know, they're not in a religious edict. It's about if you have your religious affiliation to that group or not, that's there's no central authority right now in the Muslim world to give that kind of right. And since the war on terror, I think the fangs of international jihadism are kind of we've been defanged a little bit. So it's all about state control and and all the mechanisms of controls of technology like smart city programs and ID cards and all

42:29of those things. All of those one nice wonderful Silicon Valley inventions. They're all here in the Muslim world. So we're not escaping those anytime soon either. Thank you. Except it's about the fast is about to open. So my friend here was giving me some water. Yeah, so that's that's the situation we're dealing with. In Ramadan, what is the special what is the special steps that one can take if they're if they've lived a life of a feminism, a life of whatever this is that you describe a life where there is pornography, a life where there is where you're not getting married and not producing children. What's the way back? You know, because you said it's not easy. It's like it's not a it's not a seven step program that you know get married, have kids and do X, Y and Z. What's the what's the kind of mindset and thinking and head space that you have to be into correct course like this? You you you have to have a clear understanding of reality.

43:34You have to have a clear understanding and the main robot intellectually to a clear understanding of reality is science. You have to get rid of this idolization of science. You have to get back to a deeper understanding, which is logos. Every word that ends in allergy comes from logos, which is reason. You have to get the enlightenment created this idol called science. We have to break through that. Problem is when most people go to the west from the east, Iran, let's say they go to Paris and they they're confronted with the enlightenment and they adopt these enlightenment ideas that are wrong. And they're fundamentally so you're asking a question. So your first thing is you have to clarify your mind and understand that this is wrong. Practical reason is part of logos. Practical reason is morality. You have to understand certain things are right and certain things are wrong no matter what science says. So morality trump science in this

44:36regard. Okay. It's very sorry I was eating but it's very hard because I think to show for you know like the material gains of the enlightenment is so there's so bright and shiny and there's nice things about and the the sort of hidden damage that society has to you know take because of the enlightenment is what it is. It's hidden under the glitz and glamour of consumption. It's very hard to argue against a lot of it like a young woman 15, 16, 17, bright eyed you know she's studying in school and she wants to become a nurse or a doctor or whatever. Crushing people's dreams you know what I mean it's hard like they're the human attrition of it. People don't think so people don't think like that with with logos. They think and it's with scientism in their head. That's what the average person cartoons they watch in the books. That's your problem. That's your problem. So is there a four-one conclusion for some people you just have to let them you know waste

45:42away. No. Why do you think I write books? I wrote a book called libido dominant sexual liberation and political control. Can you understand the sexual liberation as they form a political control? Isn't that enough to burst your bubble? These illusions you have about pornography and birth control and abortion? Isn't that enough to burst your bubble? No, me personally. A lot of young people have a hard time with this stuff. Well of course I mean who am I? Who am I? They're all watching empty well I don't what are they watching now? They're on the internet you know every Muslim girl wants to have an only fans page so she can make money for nothing. It will be that bad. It will be that bad. It will come to that. You have the remnants of a traditional culture. You still have the remnants of a traditional culture

46:45in dress for example the way Muslims dress especially in Iran. How are they going to deal with that? How are you going to deal with the hijab crisis in Iran? It was the fundamental problem before the war that you had the women trained as feminists who thought that the hijab was in imposition on their freedom. How are you going to deal with that? Apparently with violence. It was to beat them up. They don't do it anymore. They made the Iranians don't do that anymore. I know they've sorry. They basically capitulated on the hijab. They basically capitulate and they defuse the issue but there's a bigger issue. It's when I was there in at the Basigi headquarters and all those women I said throw away your birth control pills and everybody got you know I got to the heart of the matter you're wearing this hijab you're wearing the child and you're festering inside because you're denying the whole purpose of sexuality which is procreation and you can't deal with that

47:50contradiction. Allah sent me there to help you deal with that contradiction. That's what I'm saying here now. You think that's funny don't you? I believe that. No, I know. How can I get to a Iran on my own? I didn't even know where it was on a map until they called me up and they invented why was I there? To give that speech. To give that speech. History has meaning life. It's meaning and I agree with you but it's just so funny. It's not funny that you believe that. The juxtaposition is funny in my head. Sort of seeing you out of place and it on and I can see it in my mind. That's funny to me. Nothing else. It is funny. I agree with you. It's funny. You're right. It is funny. God has a sense of humor. But it's a it's such a mundane answer to give to people that oh you know all of it it will just just have kids. Just have kids it'll be fine.

48:53Okay. You're right. You're right. Okay. There's a bigger issue here and why don't you have kids because you don't believe in the future. This is what happened to Europe. This is what happened to England. It's in Tokyo. 46 they had a royal commission. Why aren't people having children? Them nobody knew. And it's not just enough to say oh yeah have children. Because you have to have a whole spiritual perspective that gives meaning to your life. If you don't have that you're going to go for immediate gratification and you're going to end up a slave to your passions. You will have a failed life because you're a slave to your passions. If you don't have that transcendental. So what am I talking about? Logos is God. Logos is God. Do you believe that? I don't know. You know one knows. That's the fundamental issue. That was the fundamental issue

49:54in Islam after Al Ghazali wrote his book The Incoherence of the Philosophers. It's God rational. Is there a reason a logos in order to the universe that you must obey even though you have free will. You have free will. You can turn against it. But if you want a successful life, you must obey rationality. Of course the Muslims believe in natural order and nationality and and the like. But we have. I don't think that's immediately apparent. I think we need a discussion. We need a broader discussion of is there a logos to sexuality? I could not get Naziri could not give me an answer. I know. Why did Allah send me to Iran? Why did he send me to Egypt or someplace like that? Because to Pakistan. Why did he send me to Pakistan? He wanted you to help them figure out the folly of their theologies and becomes une. You know. That's for Catholic.

51:01That's all the time I have for today because I need some more. I need a higher blood sugar level to talk about logos. And I have to go pray. It's the prayer time. So thank you for the time. And we hope that we hope that it's as simple as this is just organizing ourselves in a way where we have faith in the future. Logos or not. Thank you for your time. You Michael Jones and I hope you can sit down again. It's Allah. Thank you. Thank you so much. Bye bye. Bye bye.