End Times: Update on Iran War

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Jesus reminds us to watch for the signs of his return.

Today we will explore further what we are seeing in our times that line up with what signs

he said would indicate the potential of the end and his return.

We will also discuss the practical meaning of this as we watch and as a remit prepare

as he so leads.

And now your host, Richard Case.

Welcome morning everybody.

This is End Times Friday and we have our good friend, Denny, who is with us co-hosting

and it's always exciting Denny to, you know, I think partly because you're such an observer

of the world events that we can, you know, say, discuss these things and say, you know,

do they have any implication toward what we're trying to understand as believers?

So it's really fun.

I always enjoy this.

We've been talking in the last several.

We've been talking to a good friend's Eric and Rabbi from Israel updating on the Iran

war.

And we thought maybe we'd give everybody just a brief update on that.

We're going to spend time on other things of these next two sessions.

But what has happened is that, you know, Trump put a deadline to basically what he called

eliminate the civilization, which is kind of a, you know, kind of a broad absurd statement

in a way, but threatened it, which is going to be to blow up the energy sources and the,

which would include oil refineries, but also power plants and then bridges, which the

implication of that, Danny, and maybe you could briefly have a comment about that is an

even Eric, I had a, I had a, in between conversation with him about that.

He thought that was a very foolish potential because then he moves it from a military operation

to a civilian operation because it definitely would hamper the living conditions of every

single person I, and I ran, who by the way, most of them don't even support their own

government, but they, but they can't do much about it.

And he thought that would shift the world completely against Israel and every in US about

it. He still has threatened it.

And then he, what it did, it caused a discussion about, okay, let's do a permanent cease fire.

They did a two week cease fire, which by the way is coming up next week at the end of

it, 21st April 21st, when we're here on this before.

And then they had vans over there with Kushner and Vitikov didn't get anywhere, supposedly.

Some said, okay, well, we'll just continue to do what we're going to do.

And they came back.

And by the way, they, they did a takeover of the straits of our moves, through what's

called the blockade.

And a blockade is that they don't let any ships pass and, and they're out there to look

at, if there's any dangerous ships like, like, mine layers and or attack boats, they would

just eliminate those.

But what they do is they identify, are you coming from or to an Iranian port?

If you, if you are, you have to turn around, because we're not going to allow you.

And interesting enough, they are.

If you're, if you're coming from a different port, not Iranian, they'll let you through.

Well, I had a, had a big impact.

I know you had, you had a thought about that.

Do you have any, you know, kind of view of the impact of that?

First of all, I don't think anyone saw it coming exactly that way.

And this, you know, this gets into this question of, you know, is, is Trump really a lot more

clever than people give him credit for?

And he does the same pattern over and over, and we end the world still falls for it over

and over.

Everybody knows, all right, he puts this absurd, makes an absurd statement, and he uses

it as a basis to negotiate towards something in the middle.

But I think what people miss is oftentimes he throws stink bombs out.

And they're intended to make you think that they, that he's anchored in us in one position

in reality.

He's, he's anchored in a completely opposite position or a different position.

And he's working the solution in a different way than people expect.

So we were, all at a place where we were expecting a transition, as you said, from military

targets to civilian targets.

And remember, this is on top of a population that, as of yesterday, was reported to be

experiencing 180% inflation in Iran by the IMF or somebody like that, that it is, it

is dire, dire, supplies are very, very low people, you know, in the country, people are

really suffering.

Yeah, by the way, just to give people a picture of that.

And Eric's described it, he said, okay, if I'm going to go down to a coffee shop and

buy a cup of coffee in a donut, I would have to take a suitcase of money to do it, which

they don't have.

I mean, so like, when you say dire, we don't have any fathom of what that really looks

like.

But it's, it's dire.

It's really dire.

Yeah.

It's like buy a cup of coffee in a donut, hold on to it for a few hours and resell it

for twice what you paid for it.

Yeah.

So I think people didn't see this coming.

You know, he, he almost is though those, those three went to Pakistan knowing that there

was going to be a standoff with the idea you got 24 hours to make a deal or not.

And what was always in the back pocket was this idea, we're just, we are prepared to block

a, that entire area, you know, even though the little, the thin part of that straight

is relatively small, that entire area, waterway is gigantic.

And we've got ships positioned and have had ships positioned all over the place, you

know, to, to effectively turn on a blockade that fast, they had to have this well thought

through, well orchestrated, well practiced, well rehearsed.

And almost immediately it was effective, like you said.

So, you know, from a, from a military standpoint, the Trumps detractors hate this idea, but

you have to conclude that these have been sort of very, very clever moves he's making.

And he's actually put Iran in the position you really want him in, which is they have

no choice now, but to negotiate seriously, because people are going to start dying there,

including the leadership, there just isn't going to be supply of anything.

Right.

Yeah.

And the impact, which was a clever move, because remember Eric kept saying we remember

Israel doesn't get any oil from, through the Straits River, but they don't care per

say America actually gets very little oil from there.

So they truly don't care.

And Trump was trying to say to NATO and then all the China, other Eastern, Middle Eastern

countries who do get oil from Iran is, it's your problem.

You guys step up.

Well, they none of them did.

So you would have thought he would have just said, okay, then I just quit.

I'll just leave and you guys deal with it.

But because he's trying to get to the disarmament of nuclear power, he actually took it over.

Interesting enough, the two implications is what you said one.

And you know, again, we're, when you, when you listen to this, you will have actually

experienced what happened, but the first set of negotiations, you know, was, was left

with no solution.

They're going to enter into another round of negotiation with Iran, with the conditions

that they know are there to see how they'll play out.

Now Eric's position would be Iran will agree to things, but they won't honor them.

But at least don't get past this point, you know, so we said, you'll have to keep observing

it.

So what we do is that the, the NATO countries and China, interesting enough, now are meeting

without the United States and without Israel to say, okay, what will we do to make sure

that, that oil flows nicely through the straits knowing that there will have to be some kind

of an agreement with the United States because of the nuclear question.

So it'll be interesting to watch what, what really happens.

And I'd love then after this occurs, which we will, we'll get Eric and Rabbi in and say,

okay, now that they've, quote, agreed, what do you see as reality?

What do they have to do and how they process it?

And, and one of the things that we could just set up, how they have done it, you know,

with Gaza and Hamas, with Lebanon and Hezbollah, they neutralize them, but it didn't eliminate

them.

So what they do is they re, re structure and re, to gain more strength to do what they're

going to do, anyway, coming against Israel.

So what Israel's doing fundamentally is observing, when they see that developing, they just

go in and try to take it out earlier and not allow them to gain that strength.

And they've been so successful at it.

And they're actually interesting enough in a peace negotiation, a ceasefire negotiation

with Lebanon and Hezbollah at the same time, you know.

So it's interesting to see, my thought will be, Iran will probably agree to something.

They'll have no intention of honoring that agreement.

And Israel will be the one to observe and keep track of it.

And as they see it happen, they'll, they'll then come back and, and do some military action,

you know, against them.

You have any other, other perception or thought about that piece of it?

I think that because there's been a successful blockade created that, that that will not,

even if there's an agreement, that blockade will not, will not stop, that it'll probably

be turned over to some international, that, that what will come of these conversations

in Europe is a slow agreement with most of the rest of the world to manage this blockade

through, for quite a while, as we watch in what ways Iran does not comply with the elements

of whatever deals make.

So that's number one.

I think it is the, it turns out it is the pinch point, that is the high, that is now the

leverage that now the United States controls that three days ago, Iran seemed to control.

So I think that's a, that's a big part of the play.

I think the second thing that's going to happen is the terms of this deal will be a very,

very short leash.

There will be actions that Iran has to take in days and weeks.

So if they don't follow through, it's going to be immediately evident like, like the international

community taking over all the highly enriched uranium in some way or mining, you know, clearing

out the places that it exists and concreting them in some solution to that highly enriched

uranium.

And that one, I think, has to be part of the deal because it's the thing that goes back

to why the United States entered into this to start with.

And Trump has managed to keep the nuclear weapon deal as the single justification for

everything that has occurred.

But while other things may have changed, I think he, there's probably still long-range

missiles that they'll probably try and deal with.

But I think those are the two really important issues that shortly and control of the, of

the, the, the straight and oil tanker, oil tankers and other supplies that are able to,

able or not able to get into and out of Iran, that'll be heavily monitored.

I think it will shift to more of an international force, but the United States naval presence

will still be the biggest part of it because of how, how large it is.

So, and I think Israel is going to continue to work the leadership issues.

I think they're going to keep taking out guys.

If there's any failure to comply, more, more leaders will disappear or more, more of

this, you know, sort of civilian-related activity will come from Israel.

Yeah.

And the, the economic impact for us Americans will be, if it's resolved at some level,

what will happen is oil prices will drop back to normal, semi-normal.

That means, that means our gas, our gas prices at the pump will come down.

And that'll free up, you know, what we call discretionary income that's pushing everybody

right now, particularly the middle and lower class is really struggling with this.

It'll also soften inflation because so many things are driven by that that it'll just

have a softening effect, should have a decent little positive impact on our economy.

And the feeling of the Americans, if we, let's say, cease having to do things there, and

therefore we can bring people back, our military back, without engaging on a ground war.

See, we'll all rejoice that, hey, you did that with technology.

You didn't have, you had very few people that were killed and they were mostly accidental.

You did what you said you were going to do and I ran capitulated and needed to and

you'll be, it'll be hailed as a big win and we'll have a sigh of relief that we're

not going to have a pro long war.

We don't have to engage our people and our economy is going to be impacted in a big way.

So that'll be interesting to watch to see where that goes with this.

One thing behind the scene, by the way, which is what I know through some insight information

is that the United States, in a sense, couldn't keep prosecuting this war because they don't

have the inventory and bluffing as if he does, but underneath it all, they don't.

So they couldn't do it anyway and if, and this is interesting on strategy, you would think,

this would be the moment that if China's going to do something, they should do it now

because we're so at a weak point, but they can't do it either and not going to do it either.

So it's going to be an interesting thing to watch.

You know, we're keeping that updated.

On that, I know from a family member that is involved with one of the, one of those

kinds of military suppliers.

They are all moving into a period of mandatory overtime because they have been told how

much they have to step up their output and these, many of these are not companies that

are used to that.

You're used to that.

Right.

Cosmos contracts with the government and take your time and, you know, very low production

outputs and they are, they are getting a huge squeeze and they're yielding to it.

So I think behind the scene, you think about that and then this budget reconciliation that

is a bill that's coming up in Congress, mostly to deal with the deep funding of Homeland

Security and other things, but it's going to turn into a massive reconciliation bill

that's probably going to pour a lot of new money into the military effort too.

And the timing of that just happens to suddenly finally be working out after recess and the

Senate is coming back intending to pass a record budget reconciliation bill, which only

requires 50% in the next two weeks.

Now, describe for our audience, when you say a budget reconciliation bill, describe

what is exactly is that.

So for purely financial related matters, this is not lawmaking that has policy impact and

it gets tested against that.

The rules of a 60% majority in the Senate don't apply.

This changed a few years ago under, I don't even remember under which administration, but

that was budget reconciliation is a 50-50.

And so you can pass if more than half of the Congress, which is still until the next

election, is still controlled by Republicans.

If the Republicans stay together enough on this to just be able to get 50%, they can pass

a funding bill, essentially it's a funding bill that re-adjusts the budget that doesn't

really exist.

But it re-adjusts that all those baselines and suddenly the efforts that are being considered

are now funded.

And there's a question about that is that because of the Homeland Security, including ICE,

has not been, and TSA was an impact of that as well, wasn't funded for now going on

almost two months, why didn't they pursue that earlier to just take care of that?

Because that's really what they're trying to do, it's just bypass the block and just

say, hey, you know what?

We can do it a different way.

Why didn't they do it earlier?

There was debate about that.

And part of the reason that was difficult for Republicans to get a majority is because

there were, especially in the Senate, there were Republicans that believed that was the

way it should have been approached all along, and there were other disputes among Republicans

about the way to work their way through the agenda for this year.

That's one thing.

The second thing is most of these bills started in the House, and so you bump into the Senate

rules and the 60%, you know, when you're already into a process.

This is the first time Johnson has come out and now, not Johnson, not soon has come out

and said there is a reconciliation bill that will come to the Senate, that will begin

in the Senate, be completed by the Senate, and it will go over to the House.

So it's a very different sort of approach, and yeah, look back and say, why didn't we

do this all along?

All that fighting and all that anguish over the TSA lines and, you know, the budget and

TSA, you know, this part of Homeland Security was already funded for three years because

of the budget components of the big, beautiful bill.

The whole thing seemed like an unnecessary step, but, you know, maybe there's some real

thinking behind that too, and when it all gets set and done, you kind of look back and

say, oh, I see.

But, you know, for most of us, it doesn't make sense.

It looks like a horrible waste of time and disruptions of lots of lies.

The security country was potentially, you know, you know, risk for parts of this.

I think the, I think one, one reason, by the way, is that it was a political move purposely

to cause the trouble that the average person would experience and be upset about it, one,

and then who are they going to be upset with?

Well, because the Democrats are the ones blocking it consistently without, you know, doing

it.

And they never actually talk about what the Republicans need to do to overcome that

block.

But, they think Republicans think this will help when they go to elect in the midterm.

People will remember that the Democrats, you know, stop this, this stop.

You know, so I think it was a little bit motivated by politics.

And I think the politics are just enormous between now and midterm.

Right now, the Republicans are, you know, are really in trouble on a number.

Because people this morning saying they could lose 20 seats in the house and potentially

even lose control of the Senate.

But I think everything in this midterm is driven by this, this, this central focus.

If Trump is able to stop a 47 year, you know, really serious worldwide problem with this

regime in Iran, if he's really able to put it in a box and control it and in ways that

are good for almost everyone else in the world, it's going to overwhelm this midterm

view.

I mean, people that hate Trump really hate Trump and it's so deep.

But I think the facts will start to, you know, he's not running in this midterm and he's

not running for election after this.

And he doesn't seem to be all that moved by the questions of whether or not his party's

going to lose in the midterms.

He will step back and probably say, all I cared about was what was good for the world.

And that's where I think that the big question about the outcome of the election will be.

There will be people that will say, we don't believe that because you're such a flawed

character.

There will be other people that will say a certain amount of this has been highly orchestrated

and he was actually willing to be orchestrated into, you know, Mr. Meeney in order to get the

right outcome.

And hopefully policy success will win at the midterm overall this other stuff.

Yeah.

And two things about that is that what is motivating?

What is a driver that with a, what's happening with the Republican, let's say, a majority,

so to speak, that there would be a significant shift away from that, which would say, you

know, let's elect Democrats one, what's driving that?

And then two, as you look at the potential outcome, what's assumed that that happens?

What would be the implication if, because our conversation is about other signals that

help us see where it's going, you know, and what the impact is going to be economically

and then the end time.

So the first question is, what do you see as driving that thought that, yeah, even with

all the frustration going on with funding, why would they elect Democrats when they didn't

do it two years ago?

Well, I think the demonization of this administration is so, is so pervasive and you know, in a way

we've seen it for several election cycles, several administrations, the emotion between

one side or the other just gets deeper and deeper and worse and worse.

And that feels like something that has a spiritual side of it.

Regardless of the successor failure of an administration or the Congress, the hatred from one

side to the other is overwhelming the success, you know, successes and failures.

And I think that's true with Trump.

So for sure, for people who are staunchly non-conservative, they are motivated to show

up and vote against him.

They don't know what their vote were necessarily, they believe they'll be voting against Trump

when they vote for their local, you know, their representatives and their Senate candidates

and others, you know, statewide in each of their states.

They'll believe that they are casting a vote against Trump.

The Republicans have the problem they've always had, which is on principle and on policy,

they don't agree on everything with each other and the party doesn't force them to agree

on things.

So you end up with split votes on really important issues for policy reasons.

They're not at all about who you like or who you hate.

And I think this has gotten worse, you know, one of the other topics we were going to talk

about in this session and the next one is other things that are going on that are accelerating

this hatred, this demonization and, you know, and I think they're going to play a role

in the next election.

Yeah.

So what we're going to talk about in our next session is that very issue as there is

interesting, you know, kind of spiritual stuff that is happening, particularly in the religious

world.

And then the impact of that on the economy and the potential creation of the one world

government that we'll talk about and just to set it up, you know, because we're going

to talk about interesting dynamic going on with the Catholic Church and then Trump, which

I saw it and I was shocked by it in a way, but he came out with a meme and it characterized

him as Jesus Christ.

And it was immediately everybody was like, wait a second, interesting enough, Riley

Gaines, who's been, you know, helping on women sports in transgender, who's very pro

Trump.

She came out publicly and said, that's something that is demonstrating, you know, what

she called pride and he needs some humility and then she's been attacked by the followers

of Trump who almost overlook anything that he is in a sense, you know, the savior.

And so it's a dynamic that is happening right now.

And this is what Denny and I are going to try to talk about in the next session is why

we see Iran war, why we see economic stuff, there's some interesting spiritual stuff going

on behind it that the question is, what's happening, how do we interpret it?

And then does it, are these signals that God is trying to show us about, you know, what's

coming ahead?

So Denny, thank you so much for all this great insight and we look forward to this next

session as we continue this.

So Heavenly Father, we just praise you for what you're revealing, what you're showing,

and helping us raise the right questions because you say you'll speak to that, you'll

give insight, you'll give wisdom and that's what we're seeking.

What does it mean?

How do we receive it?

And what would you say to us as to what to watch next and how to react to it?

So we praise you and we thank you now on Christening.

If any of you have any questions that you'd like to send and we can deal with, send them

at questions at abide ministry.com and we'd love to talk to you.

So look forward to it.

To it in next week and we'll get into this other interesting stuff.

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