Election transparency challenges in Georgia politics

0:00It's Six Eastern. Three o'clock Pacific. He's literally the former director of the FBI. He knows exactly what 8647 means. From coast to coast and around the world, from America out loud talk radio. But I'm sick and tired of the fact that our president has been targeted over and over again with rhetoric that clearly calls for the assassination of this man. It's time for Truth Be Told with Booker Scott. When I think about the 2020 election, my mind goes to a few places. Detroit, it goes to Atlanta, Georgia. That's really the main two places it goes to. But there were other places too. There are many questions that many people still have. And the way I look at Georgia, I've spent a lot of time looking at Georgia and dealing with that Georgia election in 2020, I look at that Georgia election sort of like a middle school girlfriend. Every once in a while there's a break up. There isn't a lot of news coming from Georgia. And then something happens and everybody gets excited

1:01and thinks we're gonna get all the answers and there is going to be accountability and transparency. And then you break up again. And that's sort of the way my mental school relationships were. And that's what I think we have with Georgia when it comes to the 2020 election. I'm gonna bring somebody into the program now that has an incredible amount of experience with voter rolls in the state of Georgia. He's been around it for 40 years. He started this long before 2020. His name is Mark Davis. And he's been around Georgia politics since 1986. His dad was Guy Davis. He ran for governor in the state of Georgia. And his dad really was instrumental in making the Republican party something that had never had been before in Georgia. If you don't know the history, Georgia was very much a Democrat state up until about 1986 when Guy Davis ran for governor. He had a good showing then. Let's bring Mark Davis into the program now. Mark, thank you for coming on the program and doing this segment here.

2:01Thanks for having me, I appreciate it. Well, let's get into a little bit of about your background because I think it's important that people understand that this isn't something new for you since 2020. You have been digging into Georgia politics and races, election, voter rolls for many, many years. Talk about that for just a minute. Okay, so back in the early 90s, I started producing enhanced voter databases for candidates. At the time, the only place you could really get quality voter data and quality on it to put in quotes was from the RNC itself. And you weren't able to get the data until you became the nominee. And that happened in dad's race and it aggravated me. So I started building voter databases. This was before the 1993 NVRA pass. And then when it rolled out, I could go to the Secretary of State's office and get their state on a CD, but it was expensive.

3:03So that's what kind of got me started and working with voter data back in the day was dad's campaign and then those activities. But then in 2002, I had been seeing some of the irregularities in the voter data that I want before the state election board to talk about people who were registered where they didn't live and people who were improperly distributed. And I got a lot of pushback in the Secretary of State at the time, but we had a disaster of a race in House District one that year. And the chairman of the Georgia Republican Party asked me to go up there and serve as an expert witness and I did. And I've been doing it ever since. So far, about 23 years of those cases. So I'm pretty experienced with it. Overall, what have you seen over those 23 years? What do you see in Georgia's voter roles? We have really bad problems with residency here.

4:06And it's really interesting because I learned recently just how far back it goes. Georgia is kind of unique in that we actually execute what's called a voter certificate when we go to vote. And that's us, a testing under oath that we are who we say we are and that we live where we say we live. And lying on one of those certificates is a felony. What's interesting about that and what's always puzzled me about that is that the residency violation itself, in other words, voting in the wrong county is under OCGA 21-2-17 is the residency statutes in its 218 team that people get prosecuted under, specifically OCGA 21-2-2-18F, which prohibits us from voting in the wrong county. Violating that statute is just a misdemeanor.

5:09So I've always been puzzled what the violation is a misdemeanor, but lying on the voter certificate is the serious felony. So I went back and researched it. And here's what I learned. This is fun stuff. So in the election of 1892, we had an incumbent Republican, we had a Republican who was elected, and then he was running again as an incumbent in 1894. And there was so much fraud in that election, it was incredible. We had ballots for the Republican who were destroyed. We had double voting. We had people from outside the county voting in that congressional district. We had people coming in from other states voting in that congressional district. I mean, it was bad, BAD. What's interesting about the statute that they enacted is that it has survived through multiple re-rides of the election code intact.

6:14And the other thing that's interesting about it is that that particular statute is about the voter certificate themselves, but it contains a residency clause in there that prohibits us from voting outside of the right precinct. So what's interesting is the residency statutes sort of stand in one part of the code section. But here under voter certificates, there's that other provision about not voting in the wrong precinct. And so it's very interesting to me that there's sort of a discombobulation of the statute there, but I don't want to get too far. Yeah, one, one it seems like, I guess, Mark would be that it was a response to something that happened. And without looking at the older law, it kind of overlaps, but doesn't really help anything is what it sounds like. And government does that a lot too. They have multiple laws trying to deal with something

7:14and it ends up messing everything up. Also, real quick, let's get into a little bit of your history with some of the actors there in the state of Georgia, because I believe that's really interesting. You have relationships with the Secretary of State, Raffensberger. I think probably most people remember that character, Governor Brian Kemp, Gabriel Sterling, the guy that actually ran the race in 2020 in Georgia. You go way back with him as well. If you could talk a little bit about that relationship, I want people, the listeners to understand that you have been there in Georgia elections for a long time. You know these actors. And I should have mentioned earlier also that you write for the Federalist. And you've been writing, you've been outspoken about these things. And it really wasn't an easy decision for you to get to, to come out and start writing the way you have about the elections in Georgia, because it has been your life for very long time. Talk about those relationships a little bit as we go into what the FBI did back in January,

8:20and what has happened or has not happened between January and now. So talk about those relationships. OK, so the way I wound up writing for the Federalist was I was talking to Molly Hemingway when she was writing her book, Rigged. And if you look in the index, you'll, you'll see my name in there. But we spent a lot of time talking about the 2020 election and all the things that had happened. And then after, after we won the Fairflight versus True the Vote case, where I was a defendant, she invited me to, to start writing as a contributing writer for the Federalist. And I've been doing that ever since and I really enjoy it. What's wonderful about it is, you know, I write the stories that I really care about. And if I, you know, if I don't have anything in particular on my mind, I kind of take a break from it. But it's, it's really fun to be able to pop up with a good story and borrow their megaphone for a few minutes and, and be able to get word out on.

9:22I like Molly Hemingway a lot and the Federalist. Oh, she's, she's an amazing woman. Um, I, I really have mad respect for her. But you're right. I've known a lot of the people here for a very long time. I've known Gabe since he was about 15. He went through school with my youngest brother. And when my dad was going to the governor in 86, he'd be at the house for parties to get together as a fundraiser, whatever else. He was a big, mad, mad, and only person at the time. And if you're listening to this and you don't know who he's referring to, it's Gabriel Sterling, who was in government and he left government to run the 2020 election in Georgia. And he would come out to do press conferences and say that the election was fine. There was nothing wrong. And meanwhile, the rest of us were watching everything on television and pipes bursting. And it just seemed like a lot was wrong in Georgia. But Gabe Sterling is the person that Mark is talking about now that was friends with his younger brother back 40, 45 years ago. Go ahead. I'm sorry for interrupting.

10:23Oh, no worries. So for several years, Gabe worked at landmark communications for a front of mind and Mark Roundtree, who was Brad Rathansburg's political consultant. And Brad Roundtree, the time of the 2020 election, Rathansburg dropped him as a client. I'm sorry. Roundtree dropped Rathansburg as a client. He was really unhappy with Rathansburg's decision to do the mass mail out of 6.9 million absentee ballot applications and the creation of the drop boxes and all that kind of stuff. So Roundtree dropped him even before that infamous phone call in January of 2021. And by the way, just to keep people up to date here, what we're talking about now is you're talking about the phone call that President Trump made at the time to find 11,000 more votes. And that's all he needed, which became the reason that Fannie Willis prosecuted there in

11:26a recode case because of that phone call. And I guess it was all set up by another name. You may remember from back in 2020 and 2021, Jordan Fuchs, but please continue with the story. Okay. Let's start by our first second on that. The transcripts from Fannie Willis' special purpose grand jury were recently released and there were two big takeaways from them. One was David produced transcript where he talked about the truth of vote evidence that he had given to Vic Reynolds, who was the head of the GBI at the time. And the other was Jordan's transcript. We now know for sure she was the person who leaked fabricated quotes from the call to the post. A lot of people think she leaked the actual recording of the call. They eventually did get that, but when they did, they kind of called her out on what she'd given them previously.

12:27So it's long been theorized that she was the person responsible for that mess. Now we know based on the transcripts that it actually was her. Yeah. I think most of us at the time thought it was her. And as you were saying, it has been confirmed that it was go back to what you were talking about about round three and Raffinsburg and Gabe Sterling. Yeah. So during Raffinsburg's campaign for Secretary of State, I actually coached him on election integrity issues because market had told me that he wanted to be an election integrity candidate. And I spent quite a bit of time talking with him about the problems in the voter rolls and the residency violations that were going on and all of that kind of stuff. And that's why when that phone call happened, I had given an analysis that I did of those issues to the Trump attorneys. And I was supposed to serve as an expert witness in the Trump versus Raffinsburg case.

13:34And then when I heard Raffinsburgers sit there on that phone call and basically deny that we have a major problem with residency and try to minimize those issues. I mean, he admitted that they do happen, but kind of try to trivialize the issue. That's what finally just ripped it for me because I knew what he was doing there was trying to protect his legacy and his ambition. He was rumored even when he was a candidate to have designs on a governor's office. And now he is in fact a candidate for governor of Georgia. You believe that was his motivation for everything that he did in 20 and 21? You think that's my personal opinion. And the guy had the nerve to write a book called Integrity Counts. But when integrity really did count, he betrayed us all. And what really upsets me about that is that our base was so disheartened that it didn't

14:34turn out like it needed to. There were there were races on the ballot that actually got more votes than Donald Trump. And I think people just got really disheartened and either didn't turn out or didn't vote in that race. And I think it cost us control the US Senate. I think that. Yeah. Ratham's burgers dishonesty in that phone call. I think it literally and the leak of the phone call. I think it literally cost us control US Senate. But if you look at Jordan's transcript, it's clear that that she is the one that leaked the call. So and it's not clear that Ratham's burger knew. In fact, I think she may have even said in there. I have to go back and look at it. But I think she may have even said in there that it was her that leaked the call and that it was without his knowledge. Where is she now? I'm not sure. I she's been kind of laying low at least in my perception.

15:37I haven't heard much about her recently. She figured all this was going to be coming out at some point and just kind of decided to move away. Go to the background. Yeah, I would too. We're coming up against a break. We're going to continue this conversation. Mark Davis is his name. He's been involved with Georgia elections and voter rolls since 1986. Expert witness for over 23 years. You heard him mention that he was going to be an expert witness for President Donald Trump. We're going to talk about what has been going on lately in Georgia because there is more news coming from the state of Georgia. Your heart is the most crucial muscle in your body. Are you doing enough to keep it strong? Introducing the wellness companies break through healthy heart formula designed by Dr. Peter McCullough now upgraded with Torin. This daily supplement supports cardiovascular health and works to protect cells against oxidative stress packed with D ribos to boost heart function. Torin to help maintain a heart muscular health. Cohen's I'm Q 10 and Selenium citrate to help reduce risk of cardiac disease and a

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18:44Mark Davis is our guest tonight. We're talking about the 2020 Georgia election. And again, it seems like every time we get a little bit of news, then it goes away and we don't hear anything. People get excited and then we get crushed. And that's sort of been the way things have been going in Georgia for what it seems like a long time now. It's been five years. Recently in January, the FBI came in rated Fulton County. I really thought we might have some news about that very quickly. And we keep getting teased by the administration. Even Susie Wiles, the week before last, she said that there's information coming out. Mark, what do you think? What do you make of all of that? Do you think we're going to get some information from this administration? There might be some accountability. I don't know. I start to give up every once in a while. Well, here's my take on it for what it's worth. And let me give you a little background on that. I spoke with the DOJ last September.

19:44It was the same day. Charlie Kirk was shot. And I didn't hear much at all after that for several months. But then out of the blue in mid-January, the FBI started calling folks in for interviews. And one of the people that was interviewed was Bridget Thorn. But I know most of the other folks that also were interviewed. And I know what those folks tend to talk about. I know what their issues tend to be. And I was interviewed as well. And so I have a, in my mind, I think I have a pretty good understanding of what the FBI probably heard about. And there was some very legitimate issues put on the table. And then they took those interviews and they crafted an affidavit and they took it to

20:48the federal magistrate. And they asked for a warrant for the election records from the 2020 election, which the state election board had been trying to get already and couldn't. And so then a couple weeks after all those interviews, they went in and seized those materials and full and filed a motion to try to get them back. And that failed. It didn't work. I guess what we're here to talk about today is the latest on that, which in my mind is extremely interesting. The, there's a federal grain jury that subpoenaed the records for basically all of the election workers in full and kind of hundreds, maybe even thousands of them. And the members of the full and county commission and some of the election board there have just

21:50been having a fit over that. They're saying that it would violate the privacy of all those workers and all this kind of stuff. And there's been all this ruhaha over the request. But I think a lot of people are missing the point. I mean, when a federal grand jury starts looking at something as major as the 2020 election in Fulton County, they could be looking at any number of things. They may have only wanted the election worker information so that the FBI could go out and do some interviews of those people. That doesn't mean that they're focused exclusively on the election workers at all. Not only knows what they're looking at, but when you talk election workers specifically poll workers or people working in election offices, who was it that they have tried to subpoena as far as the records? Well, I'm looking at my story here.

22:52I've got a, I've got them listed in there, but they basically want the folks that were doing the tabulating. They want the folks that are involved in transporting ballots. They want basically anybody that even got near about it. And there were a lot of temp workers. So remember, we had a code going on at the time. And they had a lot of temp workers from happy faces. Yeah, Stacey Abrams, by the way, had given a grant to happy faces. She's connected with happy faces, the temporary employment agent. If you look at the poll workers in Fulton County specifically, you'll find that they're all Democrats, which was the reason why I started SaviourRepublic.org was to recruit conservative poll workers because we don't have any. And that was the motivation for that. Really was Fulton County. When you look into it, they were really all Democrats. They were there. And I thought, well, we need conservatives back there where they're counting and doing the tabulating. We don't need just watchers because the watchers were thrown out by the workers that

23:56were there. Please continue where you are with this, a pen and those that the FBI and the Department of Justice want to speak to. Well, I think your perspective on the situation is spot on. And back, back at the time, Bridget Thorn, who is now an incumbent Fulton County commissioner, was a poll worker. And she became a whistleblower and, she filed an affidavit complaining about the poll workers and the imbalance and all of this kind of stuff. And when the FBI showed up wanting to talk to her, she gave them a copy of that. And if you read the redacted affidavit that the FBI used to obtain the warrant, it's not hard to figure out that she was one of the people that was redacted.

25:00But Fulton County responded with a jaw-dropping act of retaliation. Here in Georgia, the political parties are allowed to put these questions on the ballot, just kind of take the pulse of their voters. And they've always been a little bit on the sketchy side, on both sides really. Some of them are, you look at them and you go, I don't know about that. But the one they put about her, let me just read it to you verbatim. It said, are you aware a sitting Republican Fulton County Board of Commissioners served as a witness alongside other 2020 election conspiracy theorists? On the affidavit, the FBI used to steal your private election information.

26:01Yes or no? I kid you not. What a way to frame something that you want people to vote for. And when you think about the poll workers, all the poll workers information was already stolen by China. So I'm not sure why anybody would push back about that. It seems pretty silly to me. Where is this going at this point, Mark? What do you think? Well, they obviously want to talk to some poll workers or at least go through those records for some reason or what have you. But there were a lot of other major issues that were put on the table. We already know about the missing are unsigned tabulator tapes. We already know that a lot of those tabulators at the end of early voting were collected up and taken to election hubs so that they could be repurposed for the precincts for election day.

27:03And when that happened, the memory cards from them were taken out and they kept 12 of the tabulators best we can tell and printed the tabulator tapes off of them, which means they were printing the tabulator tapes on a different tabulator than the one that conducted the election. And I think the reason that so many of those tabulator tapes one unsigned is because neither the poll managers or the poll workers were even there to sign the tabulator tapes that were produced when when the tabulation occurred. So, you know, when you vote, there, there's a scanned image of the ballot. So, they're scanned into the memory of the machine. They're not tabulated though until election day. It's illegal to tabulate until election day. So, I hope all that makes sense. It does. And as I remember it in Georgia, there was also a poll worker that testified in a hearing that the ballots that she looked at they were mail in were pristine.

28:08And they all voted for Joe Biden and she is someone that had volunteered or was a poll worker for many years and had never seen anything like that. And that is that was Susie voiles who I've also known since I was a kid. And I believe what she says. I've never known her to be a liar. And I don't think she was the only one who noticed that. I don't know how much focus the FBI has or doesn't have on those particular issues, but there are some major ones. You know, there's the double scan ballots in Fulton County. There's the unsigned tabulator tapes. There's the. There's questions about chain of custody. There's questions about the voter database. And we had. We had folks that had become unqualified voters who were allowed to vote in that election. We had folks that were registered at commercial mail receiving agencies or commercial addresses, just all kinds of stuff.

29:16So we don't really know what the FBI is looking at, but. You know, the Democrats keep raising the issue of the, the statute of limitations. So. If there's. If that really is a pertinent issue, then we should hear something fairly soon. But my understanding and I'm not a lawyer. What my understanding is is if there's a conspiracy or. Also information, you know, that kind of that statute of limitations can be quote unquote told in other words extended. Yeah, if it's a rico case, then, then that it will be extended. No doubt about that. Well, I'll say this on that topic. When I look at so many vote centers that. Didn't. So, you know, I think, I think that I was a little bit of a legal tape or didn't sign the poll tapes by the poll manager or the witnesses.

30:16There's supposed to be the poll manager and two witnesses. When I look at such a massive failure to follow procedures, I, I recall there was one that actually did it right. But when I look at dozens that did it wrong, I don't view that as a clerical error as, as Rathinsberger. What we hear, we hear well, they made a mistake. It's a clerical error. It really doesn't matter about the election. They'll say, but doesn't go sound more like a man is my decision to you. Possibly, but the greater question is if there are all these questions, why can't we just get the answers? Why can't it be transparent? And if you and I are wrong in everything that we have believed for the last five years, prove it. Yeah, absolutely. Why is that so difficult? The problem I think we have here, you know, we've got. We've got Rathinsberger who is his ambitions on becoming governor. And if his, if his record becomes tarnished, that becomes a lot more difficult.

31:21But Rathinsberger and Kim are sort of tied together because the transition to dominion began under camp and then was a, was completed under Rathinsberger. So I feel like both the Secretary of State and the governor sort of have vested personal interests in protecting their legacy. And they don't, they don't want. They don't want it to be known that we had major problems in the election because it might make them look bad. And after they both said that it was a great election, then you don't want that information coming out. You know, some of the work that we did on savior republic.org for poll workers, when we were doing that and we put together over 5,000 links in one place, and it was for every poll worker application across the country. And this was prior to the 22 midterm, early 2022. We found that there would be so many different ways to easily steal an election through the poll worker process.

32:23And you know, it was, it was amazing to find the, the way the different states do it. And that in a lot of states, the applications all came to one person. If it happened to be someone on the Republican side of Arizona, it was that state. If it has to be someone on the Republican, they could just throw all the Democrat applications away for poll workers. Then you have all republicans counting the ballots in the back room. So, you know, there are ways to steal an election, whether it was nefarious or not, I think you and I both would agree that we believe that it was in 2020 in Georgia. And we would just like to have the answers. I don't understand why that's so difficult. Molly Hemingway's book rigged. That's what we believe. So why can't we get there? And I would think with the Trump administration, we are. But as you mentioned, the statute of limitations. And here we come to another midterm, another election. And if the people don't get the accountability that they think that we deserve, then I think you hit on it earlier,

33:30that also creates voter apathy. And will they go vote? And if they don't go vote, then we lose the House of Representatives. Maybe we lose the Senate. And we've got a mess. And it's all because we don't get the accountability back to Georgia in 20 Michigan in 20 Arizona, Nevada. There were a couple of other states too. Pennsylvania was another one that was questionable. Where do you think this goes now, Mark? Are we going to get the FBI to go knocking on doors and make a rest and have purple? It's really hard to say. Going back to what you said about the election workers was really interesting to me. There's a friend of his website called ballotershare.com. And he's done. And now almost as 2020 and 2024. And one of the things that's interesting. Just I think six months or maybe a year. He picked up a way to hack into a.

34:34A Dominion system using one of those poll worker cards that. Part of. And. It's already been known for a while. In fact, it was a lawsuit or two over it. One of them was to cab GOP versus Rathonsburg. And then the. And then the. Over the password issue. The Dominion password. Was. Put out on a report. In the EAC website. As far back as sometime around 2010. In other words, we bought. The Dominion system in 2019 with known security issues. And. When. In the last part of the. We went in there and looked. They found the Dominion password. The master hard coded Dominion password. Which is dv s c. For p zero eight. Exclamation mark. They found it in use in six counties here in Georgia.

35:37But our whole state uses Dominion. So that means there were probably using the same password. And. All of the state. But that password was also found in use of Michigan. name Philip Davis and he's probably the best ballot data analyst that I know hard actually is maybe in the country. He has a website called ballotershare.com and he did an analysis of the 2020 election and the 2024 election and anybody who wants can go and read up on his reports on what he found but he noted last year and I think he did this at DEF CON out in Las Vegas. If you have an access card you know we were talking about the full workers a minute ago. If you have an access card from a poll worker it can be accessed and you can get what you need to get into the Dominion system through that card. So if we had

36:38nothing but Democrats are mostly Democrats even you know that's a that's a concern I think because that could have happened. Hopefully eventually we're gonna get the answers to Georgia and Michigan and Arizona. That would be all of our hope we have another election coming up soon and we need to make sure that our vote counts. That's the most important thing. Oral hygiene hasn't changed in 50 years but our diet and the way we eat has. Creating an environment in your mouth for bacteria to wreck havoc on your teeth and gums. For better oral health get Sprite dental defense and oral Caroline designed to combat acid creating bacteria. The toothpaste mouth washments and gum all contains Zylitol and natural ingredients shown to dramatically improve oral health. Sprite can be found online and at all fine natural retailers. Have you been looking for a healthy snack from the go? Well not all energy bars are soft

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38:38to bring into the conversation now Patriot and and welcome to the conversation. Thank you booker. Thank you for having me. And I want to have a conversation about what you did. You had an idea. You and I think one of the person had a conversation and an idea and from that became Patriot parents dot org. Talk about the start of that and then we'll just take the conversation wherever it goes from there. All right. That sounds fair enough. I actually was born into a family that really enjoyed politics and kept a really strong watch on them. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry that that was your life. I'm sorry to interrupt you but go ahead. At the time we were two as kids you're rolling your eyes going. Oh my goodness. I've got one of those around here right now. So I understand. You can relate. We had a mom that nowadays I think would be referred to as an activist. You know we drive past the Texaco sign and she's a red star and right away she talked about communism

39:41and we you know she pulled us out of the public schools because she felt that they were indoctrinating us and this was years ago like decades ago and put us into a school where it is now worldwide with its homeschooling and nationwide with its curriculum. A Christian Liberty Academy and when she put us in we were in a church basement and I saw a huge change in what we were taught. We were taught politics in that we talked about loving our country being conservative and loving God first and it just left a real mark on me. So you know you get busy you get married you have children you have businesses you're working you busy and you kind of get away from the politics a little. My first president I vote for was President Reagan and we all loved him and solidly did but you know you're not always on top of everything like you should be. So in 2018 we decided I decided to start an account on Twitter. I wanted to support President Trump and just keep up on what was going on and I thought you know this will be

40:42great. We'll connect with other patriots and within a year I had 120,000 followers I had a nice voice and was able to have a lot of cool people following me who I really liked true patriots and I really enjoyed that voice but in 2019 Trump retweeted me he actually quoted me and thanked me for a tweet that I did and boy I'll have broke loose and I thought this isn't good you know it's not good to get that kind of attention. I didn't ask for this did I know that's what you were thinking. Yeah exactly it was most people thought it was great I was panicking because of course it brings out all the trolls. So in 2020 I just knew in 2020 I knew that the election was not going to go smoothly because as we all know he got in very much as a fluke a very good fluke but a fluke in 2016 and so in 2020 I just knew they weren't gonna let him have this easily and I knew our accounts would be in peril I could see trolls coming out we blocked

41:44more people on the account after he had retweeted us or quote tweeted us then we ever did. So with that thought in the summer of August it was of 2020 I started thinking about I really wanted to do a website and I had become really good friends you know a lot of people do podcast a lot of people are very busy putting in their opinions which is great you know especially people that want to stand up for truth and I thought you know I'm not sure I want to get on a podcast or anything quite like that I mean we're retired we're supposed to be enjoying life kicking back and with our toes in the sand and instead I thought your website would be really great because I enjoy writing and I had happened to become a really good friend with a really neat guy who is a legal immigrant from Israel and in my past I've noticed that the people who love our country I don't want to say they love it the most but they get the freedom the most it's the legal immigrants and so I asked he's the tech guy and I said what would you

42:48think of this and he thought that'd be great just to add in and this is a whole different context so I won't go into it in detail but another thing that took me to this point of wanting to do to get involved in this was I wanted to write a book about how I saw our family who homeschooled our children you know back when we did it was not at all mainstream a Christian family we've been married forever you know we had a couple of kids here and we thought this will be great we'll do it this way and we saw our daughter get pulled into something an organization where she got really indoctrinated and it was told to us that this organization was about empowering young women and what we saw was anything but and they'd really been going rough on some of these young women for 10 years and nobody stood up and did that thing what was that and was that 2020 no that was going back 10 years before so like I said I'm not trying to

43:50digress but what in the back of my mind the whole idea I didn't get on Twitter for that reason but the whole idea wanted to do a website besides having a voice because I was worried about not having a voice anymore you know on Twitter but the main reason the underlying factor was I saw our family get run through the mill for standing up to an organization everybody would know this organization it is world famous it's been around a hundred years and we saw what it did to our family so indoctrination is not just in the schools it's in organizations as well so that together that feeling and I was working on a book at the time and that feeling of what happened to us together with knowing what Trump was going to go through because we just knew it would not be handed back to him even if he won legally this this election in 2020 really spurred us on to start this website so I asked this friend of mine that become really good friends with any said sure let's do that and Patriot parents came about in that way and we really wanted to make sure that we would inform and inspire and

44:59ignite people to want to get involved to want to be a voice for faith family and freedom so this is how Patriot parents came about that's how it started and it has grown and grown you have a newsletter that comes out monthly and I want you to tell people how they can get that information and then talk a little bit about the inspiration what you know what you're trying to do with it you also have resources available so people can go to parent patriot parents dot org and find out more information about all types of things when it comes to your child protecting your child educating your child and all of those things sure well anyone who wants to subscribe for a newsletter we don't just put people in there they have to subscribe it's free and you just go to our website patreonst.org and hit subscribe we never share the emails or farm them out or sell them or anything we're very protective of people um it's neat because we got a lot of feedback from people

45:59through our email in that manner and so we know what people are interested in but what we did it was we started realizing a lot of people felt overwhelmed like I said raising families working they don't get in on the real news of things so our goal was to put out the news when we do our newsletter it's kind of our take on what's going on just foods or thoughts sort of a thing we do an opening which we call the rant which sets the tone for the newsletter and then we do blogs that will go into specific topics and sometimes they're even more a little bit um I don't want to say psychology based but day-to-day living base rather than just news you know but we like to provide we have topics we have resources for people we have you know under resources movies and documentaries and a patriot library and a place that you can find things for kids and we do a stay informed area where there's election integrity and election fraud and COVID-19 things like this and um we have words from the wise which we have something from you on their broker and we do put

47:01savior republics so what we like to do we're not trying to build ourselves we're trying to really promote like-minded patriots who have the same worldview not just in our country but worldview as we do and we see what's going on and we want them to have some recognition as well so we like to work with other people who are trying to do what we are we have a call to action where there's donations and prayers we just met up with Roger Stone had a fundraiser with him recently and put him in our newsletter and call the action to help him out you know this is for people who've gotten in trouble sometimes or just trying to do the right thing uh positions and phone calls if there's something going on and the government people should know about uh we promote heroes people every day people we see as heroes like a michael indell and steve friend any whistleblowers that we feel have stood up to be truth tellers we have a section with truth tellers where we put people that we really respect them like tucker matt gates peter schweitzer rizzy gay real people who are really out there

48:05saying the truth and not afraid to do so because we all need that and then recently a couple years back we decided to do a candidates page and we vet everybody we put on there and we have not just for trump and for nation-wide candidates but also for people who are local but we do go through all of them right now we're really heavily supporting branded gill whose denesciuses sunlight he's just a wonderful young man he just he just won Tuesday night yeah yes yes and we're just so happy he has you know of course he has trump some support and and we just we just want to see other really good america first patriots get in and if there's any way we can help we do so and of course we have a little merchandise page but that's mostly um you know mugs backpacks and things t-shirts we put trumps mugshot in one on a t-shirt about retribution and decide that whatever we make from that goes back to his campaign but we just like the idea of keeping people in under going back not back

49:09in time in a negative way but going back to the fundamental fundamental so this country was was built on and we've gotten so far away from that and the best ways through our children and our families um but we don't just say this is for parents because there's many people down here where we are that are fighting for children and some of them don't even have children they're own and they're very effective so this is what our goal is to get people together and make a difference and be told tellers and and let the other people know what's going on so they can wake up and get on board with what we're trying to do here which is elect the real next president of the United States. Donald J. Trump and you're listening to Patriot and the website again is patreonparents.org go there and subscribe it doesn't cost anything it's free and get the monthly newsletter and find out what they were up to you mentioned homeschooling and it really seems like homeschooling is growing in the country and I did see some stats on that but it's

50:12amazing how many people are now homeschooling but it sounds like you did it a long time ago what are you hearing from the home schooling community? Well it's it's changed quite a bit it's so mainstream now and they have videos and DVDs and they have online classrooms where people can get on there and do actually with other people with other kids and it's so changed when we did it was so unpopular when we did it and now it's like I say become very mainstream. Erica Donald's runs homeschool group and we put her on our the information of her homeschool groups on our website to support her and what she's doing but it's changed so much because when we did it it was almost looked at as offensive to other people. Why don't you and your children with ours? Why do you think you're a better teacher? You're not a teacher. Why this? Why they have to there was a stigma there was a stigma was there with homeschooling? Yes.

51:16Yes. What we found was unfortunately I have to say we were part of a couple homeschool groups where maybe once a week we got together and did teaching of each other's kids and I kind of understand the stigma and the reason I do is there are a lot of women there and I'll say women do homeschool too but they really weren't teaching their kids they'd have a school they like hey let's learn about snow let's go have a snowball fight. Well no you can't do that with your children because it's a serious deal and so we fashioned a real school room a bar garage in our home and we really did it the right way we prayed every morning we said a legion a legion to the flag and they learned every every bit of curriculum had a Christian base to it and that's why we did it and nowadays it's so much more accepted and you don't get that stigma anymore of oh your children will fit in well you know as parents at this point we should be glad for that that we're raising children that are

52:19independently minded instead of just going along and being indoctrinated like she so it's changed yeah that's and we also see that Christian and Catholic schools they are growing as well which I think is a good sign and you mentioned that you were homeschooled and that was a long time ago we're about the same age and and I speak from time to time so we know each other outside the world of social media and outside the world of either one of our organizations which I can tell you as she is speaking and talking about this website there is also a misconception among so many people in the population that believe that if you have a website you somehow are making money on it and from my experience and I think from Anne's as well it is not a money making proposition most of the time in fact it drains resources and I know that's that's been my experience and I know that it's yours too but let's go back a few minutes ago in the conversation when you were talking about

53:19your mom pulling you out in homeschooling it I can say from my experience in public education because I was thinking about this the other night back in the fifth grade I can remember to the fifth grade that we would actually read a scripture in public school every morning we would do a pledge of allegiance and and and sort of and and sort of have a conversation about the scripture that we just read in public school and that would that would have been in the 1970s mid 1970s and wow have things changed since then yes yes you would have been locked up for that now but no I actually was not pulled out to be homeschool my mother did take us to us to a school oh that's right you did say that it got christian's free yeah we were good friends with Philip crane the congressman okay and his daughter went to this school and it was a very beginning school in a church basement and it was very far from our home so she drove us 25 miles there and she drove back 25 and then drove to get us 25 and took us home but there were seven people in my third

54:24grade class if that gives you an idea and I'm not talking about my classroom I'm talking the whole third grade classroom yeah and now it is turned into christian liberty academy which has worldwide homeschooling curriculum and they have a huge campus and they're really well known and it's a wonderful school but at the time I don't think that she even understood her thoughts she could homeschool but it was very close to homeschooling and that basically went to a little church every morning for school and it was just so different and so neat and such a good experience and we all knew each other well and we were being taught about god and family and our country and it made a difference and I remember then a couple years later okay because of its furnace away and because things kind of changed in the family with a mover too that we did we did end up going back to public school but I remember thinking for four years I basically repeated everything that I'd

55:25already learned in those few homes at christian liberty yeah so I could see how slow and far behind the public schools were because they weren't focused on I mean every child is brilliant every kid is smart no one's smarter than the other they're all brilliant it's what you feed them that they either grow on that or they get help that they man yeah you're absolutely right and I had an experience in christian school in the middle school I guess I was in the seventh grade I went from public school to a christian school I was there for one year and when went back to the public school this was a small christian school it was the first year for a senior high school and they had six in the graduating class that you know there you go and I was the first person ever to get paddled at that school which it which has now really grown to a very very large school and very successful just like the one that you were describing but patron Anne is who you're listening to and I know she mentioned the being down here in season southern florida she goes

56:26down there to retire her and her husband and you're working more than ever thank you so much for all the work that you do she's heavily involved in politics and that's what it's all about folks you have to get involved to make the difference and you're listening to someone that has done that it is patreon parents dot org is that website and thank you so much for joining the conversation it was my pleasure thank you so much booker there is only one truth you've been listening to the truth be told with booker Scott on america out loud