Driving the Standard Forward – Industry Integrity with Brenna from ATA

0:00Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Beyond the Truck Podcast. I'm Jerry Curle. You all know that by now, and I want to say thank you for sharing your time with us every day. You know, I know you're listening to me a lot, and I love your feedback. And I am truly honored and blessed today to have Brenna Liles, Vice President of Safety ATA. It just drives me. I can't tell you how excited I am on the inside to have you on here because I love what the ATA does. A beautiful person, and I can't wait to start diving in, and you can tell I'm pumped on this one. So today, we're going to be talking about the image of our industry, and I want to say thank you, Brenna, to your team for all you're doing to help clean up our industry because to me, it's an industry that we don't have anything without our trucks and our professional drivers. You men and women, on behalf of every one of us, I want to say thank you, and we love and appreciate you for all the dedication and sacrifices you make for our industry. But most importantly, know that the image of this industry weighs heavy on my heart

1:01of mine because I'm a second generation driver, and I know a hard my dad worked in this, and it was an industry that we were so proud to dress as a professional driver, we had professional driver and lounges, and it seems that has transitioned away from a profession. Professionals, you have a skill, you have a license above the average person, and today we're going to bring that back, and Brenna, we were talking prior, she's going to help do that. You've got some great perspective, but you all know me, I'm bringing the mental health physical, any aspect I can, and I think we've got some great different views because trucking has been in the news heavy, right? I mean, when you make state of the union address and talk about our profession, that gives you the value of us because I'm going to remind you, many of these men and women operate in these vehicles, has served our country in the military, in foreign soils and borders. Now they do it in London, and that makes me a little emotional even saying that because I know this, I personally was not in the military, but I know the dedication of support it takes to be a driver, let alone the military. So Brenna, I'm going to welcome you to this, and we're going to die right in because I'm

2:05going to tell us a little bit about yourself, the ATA, what's going on, but let's just drive right in. Sure, yeah, I'll jump right into it. Well thank you so much for having me, I'm really excited to be here. Brenna Lyles, I'm the Vice President of Safety Policy at the American Tracking Association, as you already said. I've been at the ATA for a couple of years now, I love it, I really, really love it. It's such an exciting and just, I don't know, just amazing industry to be in, I was honestly surprised, I came from the transportation world, I worked previously at a State Department of Transportation and didn't really know what I was getting into and I came to trucking and I just feel like it was one of the best decisions of my life, it's great. I love safety, I think it's so important and it means so many things, there's so much that goes into safety and it's hard sometimes to describe to people what I do because there's just so much, but I think, like you said, there's a really critical conversation going on

3:09right now about what it means to be a safe and qualified driver, and in my mind that like I said, just so many different things right, it means you need to be sober when you're behind the wheel, it means you need to be healthy and alert and not fatigued, it means you need to have the right credentials and training, it means you need to be using the right devices, following the regulations, like all of the things right, there's just so much that goes into it, and we've come to this sort of tipping point where now we're having a lot of really hard conversations because the proper checks just weren't in place and we've seen a lot of really tragic fatal accidents as a result of that, and so there's a little bit of damage control going on right now and I think, like you said, we're cleaning up the image of trucking and the vast majority of our motor carriers, certainly the ATA membership drivers within that membership

4:14and I would say most professional drivers, right, like really want to do the right thing, they want to be good drivers, good motor carriers, follow the regs, be safe, and then you just end up with some riffraff and it brings the rest of the industry down, so we need to take care of that, and I think, you know, ATA has been on that eight ball for some time, we're really grateful that we're working in lockstep with FMCSA and DOT on a lot of these issues, I'm happy to talk about all of them, but yeah, you know, I just, yeah, it's a really interesting time to be in the safety space, I'll tell you most of my days are exciting to say the least. Yeah, I'll bet the right, you know, and I was going to say it to the evident, I'm going to put this on YouTube, you gotta, you gotta go and see YouTube, you gotta see this beautiful young lady smile, you can tell she's in the industry, because once you're in this industry, you never get out, and I, and I, I don't know, I've been blessed to be bilingual, I can tell you got a great passion for it like I do,

5:16because this industry is such a great industry, I'm going to remind you, our country will not run without professional drivers and trucks and it's a shame that it got to the point where is that and finally our voice has heard so I want to say on behalf of a lot of us and then thank you for helping clean our image job because we didn't like the tarnish, you know, you know, as high high achievers, peak performers, whatever you want to say or how you want to phrase it, I always do highs achievers or people, I guess I do both, I don't like that image, I want to be that extraordinary individual, we want to operate at such a high level, set the standard of the industry, set the standard of the word forces in every aspect, safety, safe wise, because we want to make sure that not only are professional drivers go home, we understand that holding that commercial drivers license is an honor, and we protect the motor, public motors every day, the decisions that professional drivers make just because of commissary for another non professional drivers poor decision

6:17goes on all the time and we get we get that gets overlooked and I'm glad to see that the light has finally come on to, well, we'll say it right openly, clean up the CDL, I mean, I don't believe everybody was worthy of that and we have regulations in place to protect us and keep us safe and for you professionals, you would understand it because your regulations that we follow really become our beliefs, our core values, our standards, the way we operate, and that's what upset me so bad was we all get judged as an industry because we're in that industry, you know what I mean, we as individuals because we're in that industry and I don't want to be judged like that, so thank you for what you do. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I think what you just said really resonates and and something we've been talking and thinking a lot about is, you know, like what does a CDL mean? Well, a CDL is a promise, right? Like it is it is a promise, it's a it's a credential that says

7:21I am qualified to do this job, right? I am qualified to operate this incredibly heavy piece of machinery that that drives on the road and interacts with other people, it's it's bright like that's no joke, that's a major thing and when that breaks down the motor carrier and the public that don't have something to rely on, right? Like that the integrity of the CDL, unfortunately, has become a question mark and and we want to bring that back to being that promise that it's intended to be and so, you know, there's been a lot of conversation lately about the CDL and and the non-domicile CDL issue FMCSA is really cleaning up their act and and bringing back that integrity to the CDL because we've unfortunately just seen a real breakdown at the state level

8:27in terms of oversight, just not doing due diligence when administering those, some of that comes from a lack of training, some of that comes from oversight and testing, you know, the English language proficiency question also comes in there, there's just all these there's all of these things that ultimately feed into, okay, like so what does what does the CDL actually mean? And when a motor carrier or a driver, you know, whoever doesn't have confidence in the validity and sort of credentials behind that, we've got a real problem. So, you know, we've been extremely supportive of FMCSA's actions to really get things back to where they should be after years of, you know, kind of lapses in oversight, which I wouldn't say was a Trump administration issue, it's really something they inherited and are working to get back into a good place and we've been, we've been working with them as

9:30well. So, yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it's a tough one, right? Yeah, it's a tough one. Yeah. You can tell what you're on the news and, you know, you know, use those kind of resonates with me is what does the CDL mean? Mm-hmm. License. And in here's how I, here's how I view it and I get to spend a lot of time training and conversations and meetings. You have a commercial driver that you have a license, you, you were tested for a skill, you studied, you were trained, you achieved a skill, you received a license, just as a pilot of a plane, a surgeon, a lawyer, a professional driver. That's the level you operate. I want everyone that has that CDL to uphold that same image, pull your shoulders back, lift your head of smile. You should dress, dress to impress just like everything else. And this image of trucking to me is, is everything. Mm-hmm. We don't, we can't survive without our husbands, right? Air airlines. How would we ever get around them? We'd be back in the 1800s,

10:38right? It's this thing. We will not survive without trucks. So, I want you to view yourself with that professional license as that. You know, we all look at these pilots or doctors or lawyers as these special people. We're the same people. We're licensed professionals. You're licensed professional. I want you to see yourself like that, dress yourself like that, speak like that and guess what, you become that. And I want, I want to restore, I am restoring that self-worth and that self-confidence in this industry. You know, because, and that's the whole idea that I want to bring people like you know, and thank you for your time again. Because it's important to understand this in this industry. We've taken so many hard knocks lately that I think a lot of people on the industry have lost hope. And I think restoring that hope is a huge one. Yeah. And I mean, I think in the midst of a lot of the news and the noise that we're dealing with right now, we're losing side of the good. Yeah. You know, the good. Like, most drivers, and I assume most of the listeners of this podcast

11:41want to do the right thing. They want to be a safe driver. And, and the bad apples just kind of ruin the whole barrel, right? You know, they're not, I guarantee the bad apples aren't listening to it. No. I use that analogy last week in training. I bought a bag of little cutie oranges. There's one in the middle. That was no good. That's what it did. It affected all the ones around it. You know what I mean? So, yeah. So hang in there, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Brennan, the team's coming for us. Well, what else? Tell me, tell me what you want to hear about. Because I, I, there's like I said, there's a lot going on. Yeah. And, and I've got my hand in a lot of different pots. And I love talking about all of them. So I want to get you're interested in. Well, you know what? We, we talked earlier about the fraud. You know, I mean, that was another, well, I don't want to talk about negative. I want you guys went men and women. I'm sorry for saying it that way, but understand that these are topics that we hear too. And we see, and they're getting addressed. And although they might sound to be a negative topic, it's a blessing. It's a

12:44positive coming for us. So help us understand a little bit of what's going on on that side. Sure. Yeah. I mean, we had really started talking about fraud over the last few years when it came to the registration system and sort of the interplay in the trucking world between fraud and cargo theft, right? So bad actors going into FMCSA systems, pretending to be motor carriers. I mean, I guess they are motor carriers. They're just bad ones. Yeah. Getting. They're not motor carriers. Right. Yeah. They're bad guys. Getting DOT numbers, obtaining MC numbers, ultimately committing crime, cargo theft, all sorts of things with that. That is still a huge focus. However, we've just seen fraud sort of creep into a number of different aspects of FMCSA systems of the trucking industry. And there is certainly keen eye on that right now.

13:48Administrator bars is on it. And I know really, really interested in cleaning up fraud. But I'll just talk about a few of those things. So, you know, we're seeing fraud. I mean, the clearinghouse space. There are there are schemes. I know there are schemes where, you know, essentially these fraudsters are taking advantage of drivers who may have had a violation. They enter false records into the clearinghouse and promise to be able to, you know, remove violations, which they can't do. And then, you know, maybe help a driver out and then years later come back and hold that driver hostage by, you know, basically asking for money to clear a violation that maybe never happened. So there's there's that we've been we've been working with FMCSA on that. We're seeing ELD fraud, which is very sophisticated and often coming

14:52from overseas. These providers of ELD devices are operating, like I said, sometimes overseas. Sometimes within the United States, they're able to edit logs in real time. You know, sometimes when a driver is pulled over at roadside, all they have to do is make a quick little call to their ELD person and those logs become immaculate, right? So we're evading hours of service rules through this fraud, right? It's a cool different thing. That's correct. That's crazy. If you don't mind me jumping in. So on a clearinghouse, yeah, what would be your best advice if somebody feels that they were targeted for fraud through the clearinghouse, you know, and I told everybody, don't give anybody your information. The FMCSA is not going to send you a text message and say, hey, give me your social security number. So I told you, don't send anybody your information. But if you were targeted in the clearinghouse, what is your best suggestions for somebody

15:56listen to this that they should do? So I think unfortunately, these are situations where, you know, a driver has a drug or alcohol violation and they need to remedy it and are looking for a quick fix and they're promised something by, I mean, ultimately a flat-by-night company that is out there on the internet trying to get a buck out of somebody and ultimately take advantage of them. So I would just say, yeah, you know, be really, really mindful of what the return to duty process actually is and know that if you have a violation, there is a way to remedy it and it's not by paying, you know, $500 to get it expunged because that's not possible. You have to do the true return to duty process and just, you know, work with your motor carrier or work with FMCSA. Don't trust these shoddy people on the internet. It's a lot like, you know, the CDL training schools that have

17:00popped up that are offering one, two-day CDL programs, CDL training programs that, you know, that's not possible. But they certainly are happy to take drivers money. So just be really angry. Again, I would, I would think it's probably not very many people or any, any people listening to this podcast that are going to hopefully not. Yeah, but, you know, that's a great point too because, you know, I'm 62, but I'm not ashamed of getting my number. But when I'm younger, I was afraid to call the FMCSA DOT or whatever. I'm going to tell you right now, I do not have a problem down in that number. That's their job. That's where they're there for. There's a regulation book that I guarantee there's nobody's memorized. You call them and they will walk you through what you need to do. Now, will it be easy to get through sometimes? No, it might not be the easiest, but I know one thing. You're calling them. They will call you back. You get the right answer from the right people and you get the right outcome. Yeah. Don't, don't go on YouTube. Don't, again, you said it the best.

18:05Contact them. Get ahold of FMCSA DOT, whatever you need to do because you're not going to get spam that way. They will give you what you should do and should not do. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, they have enforcement authority, but they're not just out there looking to ping people, ding people. They want people to follow the regulations and they want to make that easy for drivers and promoter carriers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, those are a couple of areas of fraud. I think the ELD one is particularly front and center just given the implications and you know, ultimately like the roadway safety concerns that that raises. Certainly. We've been actually working internally with several of our ELD providers and our motor carrier members to think about. Like, how do you combat this? And, and we've come to the conclusion that most likely we'll need to look at something like what Canada has, a third party certification process so that these devices

19:06are really going through, you know, an entity that knows how to check for back end and ways that fraud could be occurring without a motor carrier, maybe knowing or FMCSA detecting it. So that's in the works. Like I said, Canada has this model already and, and I think FMCSA is really interested in and cracking down on this. You know, that's, I'm glad you said that because I'll always trade. I'll tell you, I chose Isaac from Canada, great company and they don't pay me to say that. But you know, I chose them because they were using it up there. They were dominant up there and I felt comfortable because I knew that this shouldn't be a thing where they could hack into them or somebody could whatever into them because it's very critical. I want to do things right. I want to set that standard in the industry. I don't really want to follow this here. I want to set the standard and I say that respectfully to the standard, but you know, I'm a person that was a victim of this just weeks ago. I had a truck get back into it. A truck

20:12stop. The driver didn't speak English. He was dispatched from Turkey. He was a Chicago carrier and served from New Jersey. And I'm not saying they were doing anything, but I just, I'm going to tell you where I'm out today right now. No payment. I can't get ahold of anybody. I don't even know what the insurance is legit. Right now, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get paid. And that happens a lot. Just to me, I could imagine how often it happens just in one single day to everybody. That is also something we've heard about as these foreign dispatched services that are yeah, from people out of out of their money. And I mean, not to be a real DC person, but I'm going to be a real DC person. Be real. A swamp creature, unfortunately.

21:13We have been working with some folks on the hill and Senator Young out of Indiana where, you know, one of the more recent tragic crashes happened. Introduce this bill that gets at a lot of this fraud and sort of, you know, CDL integrity concern. And that was introduced actually just yesterday. It's called the Safer Transport Act. So we've been really excited to see, you know, movement on the hill. And not just within the regulatory bodies, but, you know, folks in Congress really want to see these problems addressed. And are, and are recognizing that this is, you know, it's not just, it's not a simple solution. There's a lot, a lot of things have to be addressed to, to root out fraud and, and address a lot of these safety issues. Yeah, you know, it's, again, everybody, this is, I'm not making this with doing a gloom time, but I want to really use this time. And that was a main reason I got you because I know how

22:16involved you guys are to say thank you for it too. Because I tell a lot of people, the Calvary's coming for us. They're seeing the need, they're hearing our voice finally, because I think in such a large industry, we had such a small voice. And now that voice was coming as being heard because you have so many professionals in here that when you look at the average professional driver in the industry, they've been doing it for decades. You know, I mean, when you look at these guys, they drew it, they do it because they love doing it. And, you know, I think it's huge to hear this message that we're getting back to where we were. Now, it'll take time, it'll take time, you know, it, but I see the microchis happening. And, you know, I see the positive, you know, and I don't want that to overpass the great job that everyone does, the importance of our industry and the importance of the drivers because anything and everything we have that we touch

23:19today, we wear, we eat, we have anything, we have because of the trucks and the professional drivers. And I said earlier that AT always says nothing without trucks, I always say nothing without professional drivers, you know, the drivers of America, you said trucks, I just put my own spin on it, but that's exactly what it is. We have everything. You need a driver in the truck. I like personalizing everything. I like personalizing it all. So, yeah, yeah, that's good. Well, I want to say thank you for you, for what you're doing. You're, you're, you're, you're relating this message very, very well to everybody. And, you know, I, they don't have to listen to me, preach on their health today. So, well, you know, I think you're, if we want to go back to not being dim and glume and to shed some positive light, I think this is, you know, it's a tipping point, like I said, we're at a place where we're recognizing a lot of issues, but only good can come from that, right? Like, it is, it's a critical, a critical place that we're at. And,

24:21I mean, I've never seen a regulatory body act as quickly as DOT and FMCSA have in the trucking space. It's pretty amazing. I mean, it's a very point. Yeah, they've, they've never, they've never been this engaged. And it's just things are happening. Announcements are being made. I mean, I kid you not probably every week. And that's just not typical for someone who's, you know, familiar with the DC process. So I just, I know we can say all kinds of things about our regulators. And I, I understand that there's often some just content there, but they're really, I mean, they really care. And they want to see the industry cleaned up. They want to see our roads safe. And I think we're going to get there like, like you said, it's going to take time, but these things are happening quickly and in large fell swoops. So yeah, I'm optimistic. Yeah, I did not understand it because I'm part of the NTTC very active. And I'm on the drive

25:23balcony. We've been trying to get this axle variance policy pushed through. And I'm like, people, I've been listening to this thing for three or four years. I mean, come on. And they're like, you don't understand on the hill. This is like light years three or four years. I'm like, what? They're like to get something done in three years on the hill is really moving in light years because they just don't happen that fast. I'm like, that's crazy. I'm like, yeah, that's like watching water evaporate to me is what I say. So we were, we were in a meeting. It's finally moving in here. You say that when you talk three or four months, how amazing is that when you compare to what I was just going through and was told three or four years is light years? So three or four months, that's you know the importance of it then. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we saw an executive order from the president on trucking within. What was it like three months of him taking office? It was, I never would have thought he, you know, care about trucking or or realize that was an issue that quickly. So yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of eyes on us,

26:26but I think it's all good. And it's sort of the proper amount of pressure to be applied to, to get where we need to be. So yeah, like I said, I'm optimistic. I think this is good. Yeah, I am too. You know, the good actors are fine with it in their plot. Yeah. The bad actors don't like it. You know, and I'm okay. You know, the bad actors need to go. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, that's a great point because whenever I reach out to my membership and I share, you know, what FMCSA is doing, I always worry someone who's going to respond and go, oh, like, you know, they're cracking down on this or that. I never hear that. It tells me, you know, okay, this is, this is obviously a very small cohort of people who are committing crime and acting on safe in a very intentional way. Yeah, we want to do it right. I mean, you're good at, we want to do it right. And, you know, I'm very fortunate. You know, I have two drivers within our organization. I've

27:27been on AT road team. I got one currently on there. Just was announced them. We have many drivers at this state level at one. We got some NTTC ranch champions and champions. That's what I wanted this industry to be. This is super, I have a super bowl of an industry. You know, I mean, we have an industry that is very rewarding that you can come in and have a great career and a life and be respected and I'm glad for all of us. And I just, I guess what I'm trying to say in the thousand words is we try to do it right. We want to do it right. And we are doing it right. And we continue to get better at what we're doing. We want to do it better. We're reaching out to the the ELD providers. We're reaching out to the safety products providers. We want to do this. We want to do this. We want to do more of this. So it's an industry that I want you to know that trucking companies all the way down to the driver level. We try to improve every single day because we understand protecting the motoring public. And these are people. You know, we all have great

28:33companies. We're great companies. We made a great people and people do business with people. Companies don't do business with companies. And when we take care of our people, we take care of our companies that take care of the industry that takes care of the nation. And that's all I look at it. So we need to start looking to this. I hope they look at it from my view and your view as well because it is very important. Yeah. Yeah. Completely agree. Yeah. One other one top we talk about anything new or anything up with the drug and alcohol testing. Yeah. We got going on there. Yeah. Actually, sort of similarly, some real positive movement, I think on the drug testing front. So I'll say one thing, which was sort of expected. And I think folks probably know about by now, DOT's planning to add fentanyl to the drug testing panel. Obviously, we've had a serious opioid epidemic in our country. So it's about time, right? Like it feels like it's almost

29:33a little too late. But we're optimistic about that. You know, it's one of those things that's it's interesting because at a certain point, if you're taking fentanyl regularly or you're addicted to fentanyl, you're probably not operating in the trucking space. That's probably not able to. So we've been supportive with the caveat that DOT look at positivity rates over a couple of years after they implement this and determine if it's actually something that is worthy of testing for because it's obviously an added expense on employers. So that's positive and long overdue. I think also, if we want to talk about long overdue, hair and oral fluids testing are finally sort of making some progress both on the hill and in the regulatory world. There's a lot of interest in moving those forward. I don't know how familiar your listeners will be with this, but you know,

30:37hair testing was something that was included in the Fast Act, which was like 10 plus years ago. And we have not seen a final rule on it. So employers haven't been able to use this tool, which is really a good way to do a thorough look back on whether somebody has been really a chronic drug user. It prevents a lot of cheating. Oral fluids is the same way, you know, you can't really cheat in oral fluids test or they at least have not figured out yet how that will happen. Yeah. So we're seeing a lot of movement there. Some stuff that, you know, I, I'm not sure I can share the details yet, but there's a lot of momentum and a lot of interest from all parties to get these things done. And like I said, hair testing is like 10 years overdue. The oral fluids testing rule was 2020. So again, just another piece of it being a safe and quality driver and in a way for

31:47us to message to the motoring public like, you know, you can be confident that if you're driving next to a truck or behind a truck, that driver is not on drugs. We have a robust toolbox to ensure that they're not and that we're filtering those folks out. You know, urine alone just doesn't do it. So, you know, frankly, I never thought I would be on a podcast talking about urine and hair testing, but you are today. I'm glad you said that because that was something that was not my mind was when you're driving on the road and you see a truck, I want your rest assured, we're doing everything we kind of keep you safe as well. Yeah. You know, because we would, you know, we used to probably was overused for years. We shared the road with you, you know what I mean? But the road is our office. The road is our environment. And I don't know any

32:48professional, I mean, human being that doesn't want to protect their environment. You know, sure we have bad apples out there, but I can tell you, I guarantee if you're listening to this podcast, you're not one because you would have quit listening a long time ago. And, you know, I want everyone listening to this know that how important it is for myself, the ATA, Rhana, to improve this image of the industry to help you see the value in yourself. We store that hope in this industry and understand that, hey, we're coming for you. We're cleaning this up that this isn't all just bad stuff. These are things you're hearing about in the news that honestly, a lot of these scenes get on these exome radios or these CVs. They get all twisted. I like hearing it right from the sources. And so I say, welcome to the industries. You'll never get out now, Brenna. I don't know any, I don't know very many people that get into transportation that get out. They get in there and it's a magnet. It just keeps you there for life. You know, because it's made of such great people. And you see such a rewarding, you get such rewarding

33:55feeling by helping people and helping the industry and creating that safety. Like you said, safety, you know, safety is not just a title. It's everybody's job. It's everybody's department. Every action we take solidifies a habit in our mind. And that habit of our professionals is is the is the is the safety aspect of it. You know, and I don't want these bad actors to overshadow the thousands, thousands of professionals out there doing it right. So I want to say thank you all to what you do. So, you know, it's hard to believe we've been going for 48 minutes. It looks like, oh my god. Okay. Well, I'm sure people are bored by now. They're like, hey, Jerry, keep your bag guys like 25 minutes where you have like, whoa, we just don't know. So I let you kind of wind it down. And you you I'll let you kind of bring you to a close and I'm going to say thank you to you and then stop recording and give you a very well, a nice thank you to send you all. But right, I want to thank you for your time. What else would

34:59you? It's yours. You can leave. You can you get to drop the mic here, girl. So oh, man, that's that is a big responsibility. You know, I would just say thank you to all of the drivers for what you do. It's it's so important and not lost on me. I know it's easy to think that I'm probably just some walk up in DC doing god knows what. But I really I really see it. I love talking to drivers. I love talking to motor carriers. The work is so important. And we just not to not to you know, to use our current slogan, but we really would be nothing without this industry as a as a country, right? Like it does so much for us. And it's easy to overlook and take for granted. But I don't and I just I think this is a great podcast and and thanks to you and thanks to everybody. I'm I'm very honored to have been here today.

36:00Well, thank you. And people listen to this. I'm going to put this on YouTube. You got to go see this young lady's beautiful face. You got it. You will see the passion in her eyes and her face. I read people for 11. I'm going to tell you right. You need to go look at this beautiful young lady. You'll see the passion because I'm looking at it in there. I'm like she's like me. I can see the passion in her eyes. You know, I you said it very well. And you know, tell everybody maybe you're not an ATA member. How do we become? How are we going to hold you? And then I'll take it from there. How's that going? Yeah, absolutely. You can always find me on LinkedIn. You can you can message me there and you know, find ATA at trucking.org. Pretty simple. Happy to get from you. So perfect. Thank you. Well, I want to say thank you all for listening today. You men and women, the the sacrifices and the dedication you made for our country. I hope today help bring a little bit of clarity, but also help put a little bit of hope in in your in your heart to understand that they're coming and we're all coming to clean this industry

37:05up and restore the self worth of value in in the industry. So I want you all to ride high out there, pick their shoulders of smile. Be proud of what you do. Be very proud of what you do because we have nothing without you. And I know you probably hear that, but I want you to understand. We really don't just look in your truck, look at home, look at everything you have right now. Trucks are a huge part of every single aspect. So we love and appreciate all your professionals out there. Keep doing what you're doing. You keep coming for us and we're going to keep coming for you and keep tuning in. And Rana, I'm going to start recording. I'm coming to say goodbye. Welcome. Appreciate you all.