Draft Room: This "Underwhelming" Draft Class Just Broke Every Combine Record

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1:21Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Draft Room. This is the NFL Draft Podcast of the PackerNet Podcast Network. If you'd like to call in, if you'd like to participate in the conversation, please feel free to do so. The phone number is 608-5613243. So it's Monday, we usually do a mock draft, but I'm going to skip that because the amount of news is piling up to an astronomical level. And we got to start getting through some of this stuff, so we'll probably skip this week unless we get through a bunch of news or whatever and we'll do it later, I don't know. But post-combined, as we've been primarily just focused on not so much the news, well, kind of news, I guess it is, but more so just the, the combined results and the conversations surrounding that, obviously quite a few things have reshaped, you know, where people fall in the big boards, different discussions being had about players and how that impacts things.

2:23And so I want to start going through some of that stuff. We got some main sources of contact here, Todd McShay, he's got his little, what you might call it, it's not a sub-stack, but it's basically a sub-stack. I've got a subscription to that, so I want to go through some of the stuff. He's said Tony Pauline, et cetera, et cetera, the guys who have got their ear to the ground on some of this stuff. Also make sure to check out NFLDraftGrades.com. One of the updates that I made thanks to a request, which I think is a good, I knew it was a problem from the start, I just haven't addressed it. So it was a nice nudge in the right direction, but now you're able to go to the site, do mock drafts, and probably that's about it, but you can do that without having to set up an account. There's nothing that pops up and bothers you about making an account. You obviously can't save the mock draft. There's some customizations that you won't be able to do, obviously, because these are things that need to get saved, and where do you save it if you don't have an account.

3:27But you can do mock drafts. I think you should be able to share the mock drafts still. I mean, obviously you can screenshot it, but everything that you wouldn't need an account for, you can do without an account. So I know that that can be annoying, having that pop up, that is now gone. So again, please go check it out, create yourself a big board. I'd love to be able to see who you guys like and don't like. Put your thoughts down, whatever it is you feel like doing. Tell me about it. Tell me which one it is so I can subscribe to it. I see a couple of them that are in there, 81 touchdown machine. Like I don't know who's that is. So get in there. Go ahead and do that. And again, mock drafts would be awesome. I would love it if you guys would start using this. If you don't like it for some reason, tell me what you don't like. And I will fix it. I want it to be the best. One of the reasons I really want that is for all the data that I'm going to get. The more people that use it for mock drafts, the more data the site is going to have, the smarter the site is going to be.

4:28There's an analytics portion. That is going to be significantly better if you guys are doing the mock drafts there. So and that'll all make the content for the podcast better because I'll have a lot of data to go off of to tell you what certain fans are looking for, et cetera, et cetera. So please give that a shot at NFLDraftgrades.com. Okay. Why don't we just get started with some of McShay's thoughts here? First of all, I wanted to address this because this is one of the things that I had speculated. I didn't expect it to happen quite this quickly. But the first thing he says is he talks about sunny styles. Obviously, sunny styles, as we mentioned, had a phenomenal combine pre-combine. I had mentioned that if sunny styles dominates, he may be in that, you know, my comparison's conversation type of thing, top five, whatever. He did all those things. So then my question was, okay, so now what? What is the actual conversation? Are people going to back that up and actually start talking about him as one of these elite prospects? Let me read what he has to say.

5:29We all expected sunny styles to test well, but I wasn't prepared for the Mount Rushmore performance that he put on. One thing that people are missing about styles, though, is that his background and intangibles are in the same tier as his physical traits. And a draft lacking true blue chip talent at premium positions near the top of the board, football character becomes a separator. If a team is going to spend top five capital on an off-ball linebacker, no matter how popular the modern amoeba style defenses have become, that player must be elite across the board. Styles checks every box, rare combination of size, speed, and explosiveness, multiple elite testing numbers, 40-vert broad, interviews that match the athletic profile leadership, discipline, football like you, work ethic that teams have raved about. Then he says, if I were doing a mock today, Styles might go as high as number two to the jets, and he would be the least likely of the elite talents, see the next section, to fall out of the top five.

6:30So I had made this, this common, I mean, if Arville Reese is going to, and we're saying we know Sonny Styles is top five, winner we're going to have the conversation that possibly Sonny Styles should be two instead of Arville Reese, they're basically the same freaking guy. Apparently that conversation starts as early as today. He goes on to say, the Hall of Fame tier, versus the really good tier, the most fascinating theme in Indy, how many decision makers kept circling back to the same players at the top. One guy I learned is on that list is Penn State Offensive Guard Vega-Iwane, who might be the best offensive lineman in this class. That doesn't guarantee he'll be the first one drafted, but most teams I spoke with view him as one of the few players in this group with legitimate Hall of Fame potential. Outside of Iwane, the ultra short list includes Notre Dame running back Jeremiah Love, Ohio State Linebacker Sonny Styles, Ohio State DB, Safety Caleb Downs, despite his average

7:36measurements, and for some teams, Ohio State Linebacker Arville Reese, isn't that funny? Suddenly it's not, we're not even sure if Reese is in the same category as Sonny Styles, so why are we even talking about Reese at two anymore? And I know that we are because I just Benjamin Albright just nine minutes ago says, if he had to guess today, the top five would go Mendoza, then Reese, then Love, then Bailey, then Styles. In this case, Styles to the Giants, and he is in keeping with that Styles will not fall out of the top five thing that most people have been saying. The thing before I continue that I also really love, and I'm sure this will change over time, and I don't want it to, the thing that I love is outside of one, and one is not a guarantee. There have been some rumblings. I don't know if we'll get to it today, but there have been some rumblings, but that's not a thousand percent locked up, maybe like 98 percent, but we're not a hundred percent quite locked up there. We don't know what's happening at two, and I love that. I love that it was a guarantee that it was going to be Rubin Bain.

8:40Then it was a lock that it was going to be David Bailey. Then we knew it was going to be our Val Reese, and now we're talking about possibly Sonny Styles. This is just at two. We certainly don't know what's going on at three, four or five, even if we have a decent idea who the players might be, we don't, we don't know what order they're going in. Let me continue here. Here's the question teams are grappling with. Would you pass on a potential Hall of Fame running back, linebacker, safety or guard for a very good but slightly flawed edge tackle receiver or corner? Again, we're back to that same positional value thing, which is very difficult. Here's such as Texas Tech Edge, David Bailey, Miami Edge, Rubin Bain Jr., Miami Offensive Tackle, Francis Maui Noah, Offensive Tackle, Spencer Fano, Georgia Tackle, Monroe Freeling, Ohio Statewide Receiver, Carnell Tate, Arizona Statewide Receiver, Jordan Tyson, USC wide receiver, McCoy Lemon, and LSU cornerbackman, Suordalaine are legitimate round one talents in most classes.

9:41But the grade gap between that tier and the top end ceiling guys is very real. It's going to create some uncomfortable draft room debates. I'll say this, after Fernando Mendoza goes number one to the Raiders, I'll be shocked if the next four positions drafted in any order are linebacker running back, safety and guard. If I were to project landing spots in the top five, here's where each of those top talents could fit. He says, and he reiterates, styles is most likely to go to jets at two. And we double down on it. Then he says, Tennessee at four would be a good landing spot for love. Downs could land with the jets at two or giants at five. Yawane is least likely to land in the top five, but is probably not escaping the top ten. And you don't have to get very far outside of the top five before you start to see very easy and obvious fits like Cleveland at six.

10:43Really needing offensive line help again, positional value is still a problem at six and they could absolutely go in a different direction. But again, very easy to see some fits there. You got Cleveland, Washington, New Orleans, Kansas City, and Cincinnati in that between six and ten range, lots of interior need there. He also says the twenty twenty six class is historically explosive. Draft has been labeled underwhelming. Building numbers say otherwise based on forties, virts, and broad jumps. This may go down as one of the most explosive classes in combine history conspiracy theorists can debate laser time or track speed, but vertical and broad jumps don't fluctuate. And those stats mirror the speed numbers, which matter because lower body explosion correlates strongly with straight line speed makes sense. Position groups were historically fast. Here's where he lists the DB average 40 was 444, which is ranked number one all time. The wide receiver average was 444, number one all time running back 40 was 445, number one

11:49all time, linebackers, 455, number one all time, quarterbacks, four six, which is second all time, tight ends, 463, first all time, defensive line, 483, number one all time, offensive line, 510, number one all time. Now, I mean, look, we're getting faster every year, obviously, but this is a major jump in which everybody with the exception of quarterbacks broke the record for fastest and even the quarterbacks for second all time. I doubt these records hold up for much longer, but this is this is going to be a very good draft class. If you're looking for traits, a bunch of records were broken. We talked about some of them, but here's a little list he put together, Florida interior defensive line, name and Kayla Banks had an 85.75 inch wingspan, the longest by a defensive tackle in 25 years and recorded a 504 second 40 at 327 pounds.

12:56Sonny styles is 43 and a half inch, vert was the best by a linebacker since 2003. Kenyans to deep the tight ends at a position record in the 40 with a 439 40, which is ridiculous. Vanderbilt tight end Eli Stowers 45 and a half inch, vert was the best by a tight end and combine history and the second best of any position since 2003. He also set the tight end, broad jump record with 11 feet, three inches, Oregon safety, Dillon, Thiniman had a strong all around workout posting top five marks to this position at the 40 with 435, 10 yard split at 152 and vert with 41 inches. Notre Dame running back, Jeremiah Love ran the second fastest 40 for 36 among running backs. That Ty Jumir Gibbs 40 time despite love being 15 pounds heavier. You taught tackle Spencer Fano ran the second fastest 40 at 491 among tackles and ranked first in the three cone at 734 Georgia Tech guard Keelan Rutledge who I don't think

13:56I mentioned him, but I saw some some buzz on social media regarding Keelan Rutledge being possibly the best at the position in terms of the position drills and how good he looked. He seemed to have a really good day, not sure that's consensus, but I saw several people commenting on what a good job he was doing around a blazing fast 454 second short shuttle more on him below. There we go. And then Cincinnati wide receiver Jeff Caldwell showcased a rare size speed profile running a four three one second 40 at six five two hundred and 16 pounds. We talked about him already, but there's always those guys in the class. The really tall, really fast guys. The Packers have drafted several of them, for example, I'm sure some other teams have as well. But what is the guy's name, Yosivosh, right, that was another one. Many of them are kind of mid to day three kind of picks, but they're always exciting. They're always fun and several of them work out at least to some degree.

14:58Again, even MBS was never a great receiver, but he made a good living for himself and survived through several different teams coming up clutch in certain situations and making rosters. Yosivosh is out there getting it done. They might not be elite number one receivers, some of them again, hopefully Christian Watson, but DK Metcalf obviously is a freak, but they're usually pretty fun and they, I don't know that they vary off and just completely bust out. Some of them probably do, but definitely worth the swing. Okay, let's take our first break. I'll finish out the McShay report and then we, again, there's a ton more to get to and we'll get to work on that, but let's take our first break, we'll be right back. All right, so then he goes on to say the safety market has changed in this class packs a punch. I mentioned that before, you know, again, once you get over the fact that the top end is not massively powerful, there's a lot to like about this draft class.

16:02Several of the positions are deep, are talented, the top end, et cetera, et cetera, and safety is one of them. If you're a team that is in need of safety, this is a very good class for you. Obviously, it depends how the board falls and if any of these guys fall to you, but there's going to be some good, good prospects coming out of this class, whether you're able to find them or not is going to be the challenge. He says, more than at any point in my 26 years around the league, teams are aggressively seeking safety with dynamic athleticism, length, positional flexibility, the ability to eliminate substitutions and real ball production. By the way, again, we'll see if we end up getting to this. One team that I know is looking very hard, first off in free agency, but obviously, again, in the draft, especially with this draft class being what it is, the jets. The jets are very much looking for DB help across the board. They're looking also very heavily in the corner, but safety is a big need for them.

17:03They're digging real hard. They're working the phones for every available free agent out there. He goes on to say, defensive coordinators want to be multiple without changing personnel. This class has players who fit that trend. The traits on display in Lucas Oil were undeniable. Here is that safety tier. At the top, Caleb Downes, obviously, he says, teams do not care about his average workout numbers and they shouldn't. I think we went down that road already with Kyle Hamilton. He had some pretty bad numbers and he fell wafer than he should have. I'm not usually this guy. I don't generally have super strong opinions, but I had a very strong opinions. I remember watching him and just saying, if I don't care what his 40 is, that guy can cover ground like nobody's business. I loved that guy so much and I don't know that my hit rate is great, but that one I would have bet the farm on and I, like many others was proven correct on that.

18:07The other in the top tier is Emmanuel McNeil Warren out of Toledo. Then he says Thursday, Friday types, Dylan Thineman out of Oregon. We're talking day one, day two, you know, a first second roundish, trade and stokes out of Arizona, Bud Clark, TCU, Jalen Kilgore, South Carolina, and VJ Payne out of Kansas state. Then day three upside guys, Genesis Smith out of Arizona had a group best 42 and a half inch virt. Lorenzo styles, junior, obviously, we talked about him, the brother of sunny styles that ran a blazing 427 second 40 time. He's going to, even though obviously he's not seen as well rounded of a football player as his brother, the athletic traits there are undeniable. Then Robert Spears Jennings out of Oklahoma has explosive traits and will be a good special teamer. Then moving on to offensive line, he's got to take here as far as an offensive line run

19:10that he sees coming. He says there's a real chance no offensive line goes in the top five. That feels like a foregone conclusion at this point. We'll see how it goes. But once the first one comes off the board somewhere likely from six to eight Cleveland to New Orleans, expect a run. The first cluster most teams are circulating includes Venga, you on a Francis, Maui, Noah, Monroe, Freeling and Spencer, Fano. After those guys go, we could see a surge that pushes as many as eight offensive linemen into the top 40. Last year's second tier, including offensive tackle, Ariante, Ersi, 48, offensive guard, Ozzie, Trippio, 56 and Tate Radlage, 57, Dylan Fairchild, 81, Wyatt, Millie, 89 and Murray Jones, 91, was spread across 43 picks. But the range feels more compressed this time around. If you want one, you may need to act early. Now, I think that's true of a lot of positions.

20:12We've already mentioned that for several, whether it's that, not that many, so you may need to kind of swing early, but make sure he seems to think offensive line is going to be that one. And it does make sense when you go through and do the mock drafts, you look at how shockingly offensive line needy a lot of teams are, whether that's, you know, I don't think as much for center as I've noticed, but teams that need either or for tackle and guard, there's a lot of them. And, you know, it's just a supply and demand thing where there's probably more needs than there are available offensive linemen. He goes on to talk about Monroe Freeling. He says, after Sunday and Indy, the conversation at the top of the tackle board shifted into meaning from full way between Spencer Fanno's elite agility, Blake Miller's rising league buzz and Keelan Rutledge's interior explosion, Sunday made one thing clear. The offensive line conversation just got a lot more layered, but the star of the show

21:13was Monroe Freeling, who put up some eye popping numbers across the board. While several projected round one tackles, including Mauinoa, Fanno, Kaden Proctor, Kaleb Lomu, came in with sub 34 inch arms, Freeling checked every prototype box for an NFL left tackle. Check out these numbers, six, seven, three hundred and fifteen pounds, 34 and three quarter inch arms, 84 and a half inch wingspan, second widest among offensive linemen, 33 and a half inchvert, nine, seven inch broadjump, and a sub five second 40 yard dash. This combination of traits is rare and he's an under discussed point, or he says, here's an under discussed point, for offensive tackles sub five 40 has historically correlated more strongly with long term NFL success than the 10 yard split short shuttle and jump numbers. When you find a three hundred and fifteen pound tackle, with near 35 inch arms, first round tape and sub five 40, history says you should bet on him.

22:14In Indie, multiple GMs and scouting directors and even a head coach brought up Freeling and Clemson Tackle Blake Miller, both guys are longer than Mauinoa and Fanno and both perform well in Indie. They also fit the prototypical edge protector mold at the top of the board, the debate now feels real. Freelings immense upside at left tackle versus more experienced proven commodities like Mauinoa and Fanno, who have strong tape, shorter arms, a potential inside positional flexibility. Scheme offensive line coach philosophy and appetite for projection will drive how teams stack them. So just so we're being clear here. The current consensus bigboard and I'm expecting some shakeups here, but Mauinoa is at five. Fanno is at six. We've already said that they're probably not going in the top five because start seeing them start at six to eightish. Caden Proctor is at twenty two, Lomu is at twenty four, Freeling is at twenty five,

23:14Blake Miller thirty eight. So with Freel and this is something I'd mentioned a while ago that Lomu and Freeling or maybe it was two of these guys at the back end, Proctor, Lomu, Freeling, were a lot more popular or the gap between them and the guys up top is not as wide as you would think. Now we're getting somewhat further confirmation that Freeling is sounding like a, let's put it this way. Twenty five overall based on what I'm hearing here, I'd be kind of shocked if he's not a top 20, possibly top 15 guy. And then the question genuinely becomes does he go before one or both of these top guys in Mauinoa and Fanno? And also you've got Blake Miller, the Clemson tackle sitting at thirty eight. The way that there's discussions about him, it sounds like at the very least he's very strongly in the first round conversation, especially if he's talking about there being offensive line runs, pushing guys a little earlier than you would expect.

24:19He goes on to continue with some offensive line stuff, the Fanno factor, what's the projection? Spencer Fanno's 463 short shuttle was excellent and the fastest among tackles. It confirms what the tape shows. He's special on the move in zone heavy systems, that agility is a weapon. He climbs effortlessly, redirects naturally and erases second level defenders in space. But the projection conversation is getting interesting. Because of his 328 inch arms and elite short area quickness, Fanno may fit better on the inside for some teams and on field drills. He even spent time at center, which is something to file away. With that agility profile, he could be viewed as a Tyler Lindarbaum level center prospect if a team chooses that path, kind of reminds me of Elton Jenkins a little bit. It's one of those he can play tackle, but he gets better as you move a more and more to the interior. It doesn't reduce his value, it actually may improve it depending on scheme, but it absolutely changes how some boards will stack compared to Freeling, who has a more classic left tackle build.

25:20As for Keelan Rutledge, he says Georgia Tech Guard Keelan Rutledge ripped off an extremely quick 454 shuttle for interior offensive line in the 20 yard shuttle is the gold standard correlation drill. So that time is massive. He's his testing backed up what showed at the senior ball, where he may have been the nastiest player in the entire showcase. He was such a menace during practice that even teammates were getting into it with him. That edge matters. That's shuttle time matters. He's a day to pick. And then he ends with this. The biggest winners outside my pre combine top 75 board, UCF edge Malachi Lawrence, Cincinnati wide receiver Jeff Caldwell, North Dakota state wide receiver Bryce Lance, Arkansas running back Mike Washington, Jr. Penn State defensive lineman Zane Durant, Stanford tight end Sam Roush. Lookouts that didn't meet expectations. Oklahoma edge rusher, armace and Thomas, Texas A&M edge, Cassius Howell. All right. Let's take a break. We'll come back and rip through a little bit more information.

26:23All right. So McShay also did a podcast and he's not the only one to mention this. In fact, I think it might have been Pauline where I first saw this, but I want to elaborate on something that I've seen a few people talk about and that is Ty Simpson. So Ty Simpson was or has been kind of the number two for a while. Sounded like he was dropping pretty precipitously, maybe not rapidly, but very continuously. And it was looking like he was about to fall out of the first round and I think the last time we talked about him, the comment that I had made, I forget who exactly she was, she had put together a list of things that she'd been hearing, et cetera, et cetera, is that people think he's the number two, but it's not even necessarily a lock. Well, apparently post-combine Ty Simpson did a lot to help his draft stock. So it's looking like Ty Simpson is is back in the firmly quarterback to not only that he's

27:25firmly round one, not only that he's being talked about in the top 10 conversation. There's an article here over at dogsbynature.com, an espination for the Cleveland Browns site, Browns NFL draft rumor, looking deeply into one quarterback could go higher than expected. In the article, they referenced Tony Pauline where he says, even before his terrific combine workout Sunday, I was told the quarterback Ty Simpson will be drafted earlier than most presently predicted. Some believe he could end up in the top 12 selections. It was reported by other outlets before the combine that the Cleveland Browns have an interest in the former Alabama quarterback. And I am told they are doing extensive work on Simpson. By the way, all of these notes that we're talking about are going to be in that in the big board that I've created. So again, when you're doing your mock drafts, you'll be able to pull this board up so notes like this will be in there about Cleveland doing extensive work on Ty Simpson.

28:26But keep in mind, Cleveland is sitting at six. Now, they've already talked about how, you know, this is where the offensive line run could happen. Cleveland clearly needs offensive line help and throwing a quarterback behind their line might be a bit of a disaster. But expecting Cleveland to care about any of those things is probably pretty foolish. At the very least, they probably won't go that direction. But I'm reminded of when the Green Bay Packers for Brett or for Rogers actually, when they started to think, oh boy, he might actually slip to us kind of last minute deal. They start popping in Aaron Rogers tape like crazy and studying them like crazy. I know the story is different because I'm saying Cleveland probably doesn't draft them. But it's one of those things where he does such a good job that Cleveland has to be sure. They have to do their homework. They have to know, you know, because if this is the guy, to be honest, if this is the guy, you take the guy. I know theoretically you should build out an offensive line. You should try to put him in a decent situation and not take a quarterback and throw him

29:30behind a pluch offensive line with receiving help. But you have to know if this is the guy and if it is, you have to go get him. Now again, pending some kind of a trade back or something, they probably won't do it. I think at this point, offensive line does make the most sense. But again, it just kind of points to the fact that he's on that precipice where teams in that range that need quarterbacks, teams like Cleveland, teams like, you know, New Orleans, teams like Miami at 11 are probably going to be taking a very close look at Ty Simpson. And you are talking about somewhere in that range, not to mention, you know, a team quarterback TD needy team trying to get out in front of, for example, Miami might be looking to trade up. Maybe if Kansas City can't get the guy that they want, they would be willing to trade back or some other team that's needy of picks could possibly trade back as that team comes up and tries to steal Ty Simpson away from again, a team that probably really wants him.

30:32It's also worth noting on the Cleveland Browns connection. Cleveland Browns now are head coached by Todd Munkin. Todd Munkin was the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for Georgia 2020 through 2022. Todd Munkin, not that this is an extremely close connection, but he did try to recruit Ty Simpson. And apparently in doing so, he built a relationship with Ty's father, Jason Simpson, who is a Southern Miss alum from Munkin's head coaching stint there. So Todd Munkin knows his dad. He built a relationship with his dad. Him and his dad go back a little ways and have a further connection. And he also has some time spent with Ty as he sat down tried to recruit him. Two Georgia as the offensive coordinator, such quarterbacks coach. In fact, Ty has described Munkin as a family friend whose relationship with his dad remains ongoing. It's not a super minor connection, but continuing on with them, CBS sports gave him an a grade at the combine. So he only had two bad throws all day, one out route, one on the rail

31:36with standout touch, ball placement, quiet feet, and zero wasted movement. Analysts came away calling it a performance that separated him as the QB2 and cemented him as a secure first round pick. Some now project him as high as top 12 overall. Todd McShay went further on the up and Adam show on March 2nd, noting he's already starting to hear he could go as high as Cleveland and dedicated a segment in his combine takeaway podcast to Ty Simpson top 10 buzz. CBS sports says the Browns are one of six realistic landing spots and noted they could absolutely use one of their two first rounders on a quarterback. Pauline and others have confirmed Cleveland's interest predates the combine and has only intensified. I suppose it is fair to acknowledge that they do have a pick at 24, but it's kind of sounding like that's not really going to be the realistic landing spot if they decided to get it used to be. I don't know that it is anymore. The only real possibility here

32:39would be if you possibly traded up from there, but you'd have to come way up. I don't know. We'll see where it settles, but it kind of seems like at this point, if you're going to pick which of the Cleveland picks is going to be used on Ty Simpson, it's going to be six. Even if it's a trade back a little bit, it's probably going to be that number six pick at this point. As a quote, actually, at the combine, Ty Simpson said, my dad and coach Monkin go way back. If I had the opportunity to play for the Browns, it would be a dream come true, which by the way, first time those sentences that sentence has ever been uttered, it would be a dream to come true to play for the Browns. I don't think anyone's ever even lied about that before. That's incredible. I don't know how you let that guy go. There's also talk about the Rams at 29 again, sounding unlikely at this point, but they also have picked 13. So kind of in a similar situation with the Browns, where either way, it makes sense. If they were back at the first, it made sense. Now that he's rising, you're still talking about the Rams, possibly at 13. Now that's a little bit of a different conversation,

33:43because they've got a guy and you're in kind of an Aaron Rogers, Jordan Love situation, where it's like, bro, we're kind of in the last ride situation. I don't have much time here. I'm looking for some help. We got guys that are aging. We got guys that are leaving. We need help to get this done and you're drafting my freaking replacement. We just we cash in it in for the year. What are we doing? But you got to do what you got to do if that's the right pick. Simpson's accuracy pocket navigation and timing would translate well in Sean McBase quarterback friendly system as a long-term successor to Matthew Stafford, multiple mock drafts, simulators currently ranked the Rams among the team's most likely to draft him. So Rams currently are the most likely. I find that hard to believe, but we'll continue to monitor that Cleveland at six is the absolute ceiling, which again, I think is unlikely, but it's just it's kind of an interesting storyline shift for a guy that was falling out of the first round and starting to get conversations of is he even for sure, QB2? Now is is

34:46quieted that down and a lot of that's probably nonsense. Anytime you have a period of time where the media or podcasters or people on social media are allowed to talk, you find things start to drift. You know, I mean, they start to drift out to see. And sometimes it takes a combined event to really lock things back down like, okay, we got a little carried away. That was getting a little silly. Let's freaking relax a little bit. You know what I mean? On the Micshay podcast that was done, they did talk about Tyson's and getting top 10, buzz and all that kind of stuff. Then they take it even a step further. And this is very similar to the sunny styles in our Valarice discussion. If we're saying he's in the top 10, why don't we have a discussion about him versus Mendoza? And that's not the same Mendoza isn't more or less locked up into one, but there's at least going to be questions of, are we sure who the better prospect is? It was a heated debate on the podcast talking about who is better. It was talked about through the first nine games Simpsons

35:47tape was actually better than Mendoza despite Mendoza being a presumed number one overall pick. And remember Tyson Simpson ended up coming down with an illness the second half of the year he dropped a bunch of weight everything. So if you're saying when he was healthy, he was better than Mendoza, that's an important note. Tyson Simpson had gastritis and a rib injury dropped down to 190 pounds by the Rose Bowl. So and again, maybe this has just continued nonsense. This is kind of the silliness of the offices and to have these kinds of discussions. But it is interesting that Tyson Simpson is now potentially a top 10 prospect. Mendoza is presumably sitting around one, but I mean, you get two quarterbacks within five, six picks of each other. It's at least worth having that conversation and that discussion. And the more that that discussion and conversation happened between Mendoza and Ty, presumably, you know, I mean, it doesn't matter if I say it. It doesn't matter if it's really a social media thing. But if if Mick Shea says it, if guys like that, if guys who are up there say it, not only

36:51is that probably a reflection of conversations happening in NFL draft rooms, but these are guys that they would probably listen to. These are guys that if they're if they're popping on a podcast on their on their long drives to and fro, Mick Shea is somebody that might have them go, it's not a bad point. And I'm all the way in it for the drama, man. There's nothing I hate more. And I've said this before, obviously not on this podcast, but several several years ago, there was a draft where we basically knew every pick through about 20. That was the most miserable draft ever. It might have been almost the entire first round. Pretty much, you know, you had more than 50% of people saying it's probably going to be this guy and it was that guy through the first 15. We almost 100% knew who is going to be. It was freaking miserable. I would love to go into this draft going. I'm not sure who's one. There usually is some kind of drama like, well, maybe in that it ends up being that guy anyways, but,

37:52man, I don't want to know. And I love that we got this this drama happening at pick two. We don't even know what's going to happen and watch Rubin Bain end up getting picked. That would just be the greatest thing ever if Rubin Bain ends up being the guy that gets picked at two. Also on the podcast talks about some major risers. We already went through this, but there are some different names added Taylor, Taylor Green, obviously being a massive one. I don't know. I've talked about it before. I don't know how Taylor Green doesn't go in like the second round. Unless, unless they just hate him as a quarterback prospect, honestly, but we talked about it before. Apparently people think he's a better, I forget the guy's name, but somebody that went third round that is less athletic and they're talking about him not being as good of a quarterback. Well, then what are we even discussing here? How is it not a lock second round pick with first round, just with first round potential? He must just be and again, I've seen it. There are some passes you look at from Taylor Green where it's like, what the heck was that? That wasn't even close. It was late and behind and awful. It should have been picked by like two people. What are you doing?

38:57So again, with Taylor Green, if that guy doesn't go second round at the latest third round, teams just hate him as a quarterback. Dylan Thiniman is a big riser for obvious reasons, just dominated. Chris Johnson, quarterback out of San Diego state. The big question for him was speed. He showed he had it at 4444 and a 154 10 yard split. He had a bumpy senior ball, but this this really kind of turned things around. Apparently, there was some issues with the testing at the senior ball as well as intelligence scores, apparently. But this got him back on track. And then Sedeek and Stowers, the tight ends obviously with big, big risings. All right. We'll probably leave it at that. We got plenty more to get through. This is, I guess this has been the McShay show kind of going through some of his observations. But I'll leave it at

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