Draft Room: Breaking Down All Eight Green Bay Packers Top 30 Draft Visits

0:00Ladies and gentlemen, welcome once again to the PackerNet podcast. I am your host and resident panelist as always, Ryan Schlipp. Check us out online PackerNet.com, find me on Twitter, pack, underscore, dead am. So I want to take a step back from our little project thing here, just temporarily. We do need to move on to linebacker. This one's probably going to be a little bit more straightforward. We'll probably do it tomorrow, but as far as what we're more or less looking for, which would be, I guess you could say, a more long-term zyre Franklin to play alongside Edger and Cooper. But again, we'll do that tomorrow, and the reason that I say that is I do want to go over specifically our top 30 visits. How important these are is certainly up for debate.

1:02It's not, I don't know, so I think sometimes we overthink stuff. They only get to meet 30 people. If they want to meet them, I want to know who they are. That's about it. If you want to argue, it doesn't mean they're going to draft them. Of course, it doesn't mean they're going to draft them. That's absurd, but the odds that they draft anybody are well below 50%. It's one in 32-ish, depending on what we're talking about. So I do think it's very worthwhile going through our top 30 visits, or top 30 visits. If you're unsure what I'm talking about, every team has multiple ways of meeting with different people. In fact, what is his name? Isn't the second time I've done this? I go straight to Twitter, and it's just right there on top. Eastern Butler, fortunately, is the guy.

2:04He has a tracker. That's what I'm going to be looking at, but just to give you an idea of how many opportunities they have to meet. I wouldn't dare go through every single prospect that we've met with because there are hundreds. Well, maybe not quite hundreds. Just call it a hundred different prospects that they've met with. But you've got the Hulu Bowl, the FCS Showcase, the College Grid Iron Showcase, the Dreambowl, the American Bowl, the East West Shrine Bowl, the Penini Senior Bowl, all state HBCU Legacy Bowl, the NFL Combine, Pro Day Visits. It's just, it is, there are a ton of different things. Now, if you wanted to kind of go through and say, okay, what wide receivers are whatever? Or possibly, hey, I'm interested in this guy, have the Packers had a meeting with him. You could approach it from that way, but from the standpoint of, let's go through every single prospect that they have reportedly talked to, that's a little crazy.

3:07However, there is one group that is a little bit more, I guess, interesting. And that is, every team is granted 30 people that they can request to come out to the facility and meet and, you know, work out and do all these different things with. I'm sure they run through medicals. They do have multiple conversations with front office, with coaching staff. All kinds of stuff. So this is a much more intense group and the fact that you only get a handful to choose from. I mean, we're talking hundreds of prospects. You get 30 that can come in and have a conversation. It definitely feels like something you want to pay a little bit more attention to. And by the way, and I could go back and look at it again. I'm not planning on it today, so we probably won't, the, I love the opinion. I could be very wrong about this.

4:08The fact that I've looked at this already, and there is a slightly elevated chance. In other words, it's a better than one in 32 chance that the Packers end up drafting these guys, but I could be wrong about that. And it's also worth noting that for every one of these guys that's come in for a top 30 visit, the Packers aren't the only team that brought them in for a top 30 visit. But any who there are eight different prospects right now that the Packers have met with. And so I want to try to rip through those guys. As a persistent reminder, the link will be in the description. Everybody that we talk about today will have a scouting report for those prospects. Before we get there, though, there was some breaking news that probably should be touched on ESPN's Adam Sheffield reports, Giants defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence has requested a trade and will not attend the team's off season workout program. Lawrence and the Giants have spent the last two off seasons trying to hammer out a deal. But according to Shefter, there has not been any progress thus far.

5:11Lawrence is a three time pro bowler and two time second team all pro who has spent his entire seven year career with the Giants despite playing in all 17 games last season and playing in the third most defensive snaps of his career. He finished with a down year on paper, posting career lows and tackles and sacks while making only four tackles in the backfield. Lawrence has under contract for two more seasons, but has no guaranteed money remaining on his deal over that span. So real quickly, I don't want to spend an inordinate amount of time on this because I don't think that there's at this time, a ton of reason to think that this is going to be a green, you know, going to be a thing where he comes to the packers. Number one, as always, there's 32 teams in the NFL. So the odds are stacked against us. Number two, as always in these situations, if you had to pick which team will he be with, the team with the best odds is going to be the team that they're on.

6:14This is this is a classic move to say, I want the contract. You're you're screwing around, I've been asking you for a contract, you've been refusing to do it and I want it and I want it now. And I will not show up and this is going to be a long time thing unless the giants are actually like good, we don't freaking let's screw you, you know, I don't know, but I would assume that the giants are going to spend a good amount of time trying to, you know, move closer to a deal as will Dexter Lawrence. The third major issue and I will read this from Eastern Butler because the first part sounds encouraging the second part not so much. Several teams have called the giants about star defense of tackle Dexter Lawrence with some including packers, bears, jaguars and bills. Okay, so that's that's great. Purisource a Quinn and Williams type trade to start a conversation because I'm to say if traded Lawrence would be moved prior to the draft, but isn't expected to be moved

7:15regardless of the public trade request. Now, what was the Quinn and William trade package? It was a 2026 second round pick, a 2027 first round pick and defensive tackle Mazzie Smith going from Dallas to the jets. So a first a second and a player, we don't have a first this year or next year. So we would have to offer something like a 2026 second. I would say at a minimum are next two second round picks. Are we going to have two years with no first or second round picks to get another defensive tackle or would we offer a what our 2028 first round pick and this would be for a 28 year old defensive tackle that yes, did have a down year in 2025 that would need to be explored and understood. He is absolutely a dominant force. He's 342 pounds and even at that is a is a very good pass rush. We had 10 sacks in 2024.

8:17So what would I love to have Dexter Lawrence 1000% do I think there's a chance the packers would pursue them sure in maybe in different circumstances. The problem is less about would it be a good fit would it be something that everybody would be on board with is it something the Packers like to do all of that is yes. The problem is the the Micah Parsons trade was the thing. You only get to take that swing like once maybe maybe a couple times depending on what kind of a swing we're talking about, but Xavier McKinney was a was a decent size swing. And if you're talking about drafting picks, yeah, I mean, you can only do multiple first round pick trades like one time at least every couple of years. If you never want to have first round picks. So yeah, I mean, we'll see what happens maybe his this is a very real thing and maybe

9:20his price tag comes way down. And maybe there's a player trade mixed in there somewhere that could make sense. I would doubt it would be a defensive tackle. I don't see the point in that. But then there's also the additional thing where Dexter Lawrence wants a big contract. So you'd have to trade away a ton of draft capital and then bring them in and then throw a ton of money at him. There's also only so many superstars you can have on your team. Micah Parsons is making a ton of money. Jordan Love is making a ton of money. You're going to be handing out other big contracts very, very soon here. It gets very difficult to navigate having all of these massive contracts and making sure they don't overlap too much to where you just don't have enough money in any given year. You add a Dexter Lawrence contractor that it becomes even harder to do that. So you know, is it impossible? No. Is it unbelievably unlikely? Yes. Making some kind of a thing that I'm not aware of.

10:22For example, the the ask of a first and a second is nonsense and the actual cost is like a second round pick or something in which case, by the way, my concern would be why is he so cheap? But any who it's a pretty big situation to monitor. Obviously the other side of this coin is could he end up somewhere else in the NFC North? The bears have been hunting around hardcore. They haven't really been very successful in finding any impact pieces along their defensive line. But they've been trying very hard and Dexter Lawrence, I'm sure, is going to be on their radar. You know, again, depending on the price that may be beneficial in the short term and not so much in the long term, it might just be a great thing. You know, who knows? Who knows what's going to happen? I think best case scenario for everybody at this point is for him to just stay with the giants or get moved somewhere to the AFC perhaps, but the giants are a pretty low impact team as it is. So go ahead and stay there, I think.

11:26Roger Cadal is the NFL and NFL RA are going to resume negotiations on a new CBA, the RA being presumably the referees association. Hopefully that gets done because the thought of losing week one to the Chicago bears on a terrible call from the referees is not something I can tolerate. So I'd rather they get something done. Anywho, why don't we just go ahead and take a break here? We'll come back and start ripping through the current prospects in the top 30. Obviously, this is going to be an ever evolving thing. As it comes up, we'll try to keep tracking it, but we'll go over the guys that the Packers have currently met with. We'll take a break. We'll be right back. All right. So why don't we go in order here? So on March 26th, via Ryan Fowler, the Green Bay Packers had a top 30 visit with Georgia State wide receiver, Ted Hurst. To we talked about him a little bit already, I had mentioned that there was a lot of talk

12:26among Packer fans, although it may very well just be because this news popped up. But very intriguing prospect for sure. Talked about with wide receiver, obviously, there's different types of receivers and whatnot. And if you had to identify something that the team is maybe lacking is more of a lasard type of a player. As of the latest news that I can see, he came in at 64206. Now, he's not a 225 pound guy, but this is clearly a bigger wide receiver. He played his last two years at Georgia State. In 2024, he would have been 20 years old, his first year at Georgia State. He had a 74 receiving grade, 961 yards, 17.2 yards per reception, nine touchdowns. In 2025, it was 999 yards, 1000 yards, 14 yards for reception, six touchdowns, 82 receiving grade. Now, it's a smaller school, but there's no question he was a pretty dominant guy.

13:28He ran a 44240, which is more than adequate for a guy his size over an 11 foot broad jump. The cool story about Ted Hearst, and again, we have gone over this before, but he actually was not really interested in doing this, but his brother was relentless because he knew how talented that he was. He had zero college offers, no recruiting services ranked him, no coaches came calling. He was his brother who picked up the phone and started dialing programs, eventually connecting with Valdosta State staff. They watched the tape like what they saw and offered without that intervention, Hearst football career likely ends at high school. He went from a kid nobody wanted to a senior ball standout in four years in an era where five star recruits dominate draft boards. He did go viral at mobile Alabama as a question mark from a small school left as one of the biggest winners of the entire week. By the way, that is a big deal to Packers do seem to there's a good group of prospects

14:31that really shine at the senior ball that seems like the Packers pay a little bit more attention to that than maybe some others measured in at six three two oh seven heavier than his listed one eighty five one eighty five. That was the other thing PFF has him sub two hundred he comes in heavier than that immediately turn heads day one he made what multiple reporters called to catch the day a one handed grab in the end zone during one on one drills at one viral on social media, etc, etc. If you're looking through his strengths, it's contested catches his size. He's listed as a prototypical boundary X receiver. So you know, is it a perfect fit, not necessarily, but I think he's a very good fit for what you could say the Packers are looking for, especially for some decent for some decent value. Then we got on March 28th TJ Quinn linebacker out of Louisville. This is one you're really not going to find anywhere else. He's not even on the consensus big board.

15:33He is on my board though listed at six foot one two hundred and thirty five pounds spent five years at Louisville three years as a starter grades have been basically seventy for three years, run defense grades have basically been seventy seventy one seventy two tackling grades right around seventy coverage grades were sixty two sixty five seventy three, which is great growth and progress looks like he hasn't really missed time. Pretty solid and consistent across the board. Again, we'll talk about linebackers tomorrow, but one of the things and I hate even saying stuff like this because it sounds so redundant and stupid because it's obvious for everybody. As much as we're in my opinion, looking for that sort of Mike linebacker, the reality is you need kind of a do everything kind of a guy and again, everybody wants somebody that can do everything. But the reality is if you remember with Ganon primarily, we're trying to win with the front four.

16:34Well, if you're winning with the front four, what is everybody else doing? They got a cover. We want seven guys in coverage so that four guys have more time to get to the quarterback. And if you have a liability and coverage at linebacker, it's really just not going to work. So even though you need a guy that that can be your sort of stack and shed and tackle and all that kind of stuff, guy, again, not every place a run play and if you're a liability and coverage, that becomes a problem. Again, that's that's the case for everybody, but I think it sort of raises the bar a touch. With that said, I would assume this would be more at his 235 pounds of a week side linebacker type of a guy. I don't know. But again, he spent five years at Louisville. His dad was a Louisville guy. So he, you know, it's kind of family tradition thing. He stuck around there. He is a former safety, which is a fun and interesting wrinkle. I don't know if anybody has plans of and maybe that's why you bring him in, could he possibly

17:35play safety? I don't know. He did lead the team in tackles every season, 2324 and 25. So I mean, again, if you are looking for a middle linebacking tackling machine kind of guy, although he doesn't really fit the prototype, typically being a little bit smaller in reality. I mean, he is about the same size as Zaire Franklin. In fact, he's almost identical to the size of Zaire Franklin. So it's not to say he can't be that guy. So very interesting prospect again, very well rounded. He's not playing out a small school. It doesn't seem to have injury issues. Real solid. He's kind of known for his tackling ability. Again, I was worried when your physical archetype doesn't really fit what you're good at in college. Because I worry when you get to the pros, it's going to be a little bit more difficult. But I'm sure there are a ton of 235 pound run defending linebackers in the NFL. The other obvious benefit for a later round slash UDFA guy is special teams upside.

18:41When you got a guy that can fly around and is real tough and is not afraid to just smash into stuff, he kind of has core special teamer written all over him. But it is pro day 453 4015 10 yard split 33 inch vert 10 to broad jump 7323 cone. He's got 32 and a half inch arms, definitely a fun, fun prospect that that again, let me double check because I'm surprised. Oh, he is on your TJ Quinn. He's listed as a safety out of Louisville at 427 so he is listed down in the UDFA range on the consensus big board. Next guy up is Josh get a guest ski six foot five three hundred and thirty five pound interior offensive lineman out of the University of Illinois. Met with him on March 30th via Aaron Wilson obviously fits more of the the current prototype as far as these big hulking interior just offensive lineman in general with 335 is a big

19:45dude. Four years at Illinois kind of had his first big breakout year in 2025 when he had a 71 run blocking and 73 pass blocking grade. He's played almost exclusively left guard throughout his career, although a little bit of right guard back in 2023 and a dash a right tackle before that. He's actually snubbed for the combine. He was not invited so he ends up dropping 20 pounds shows up at his pro day post workout numbers that would have ranked top 10 among offensive lineman in multiple categories. So that kind of put him on the map and it makes sense why he would get some top 30 visits because it's one of those hey, we need to take another look at this guy type of things. He does have type one diabetes apparently he was diagnosed in first grade with that obviously could be seen as a negative, but for on the positive side of things, it is made him extremely disciplined when it comes to you know, dietary restrictions and just taking care of his body and all that kind of stuff for academic all big 10 honors and a distinguished scholarship

20:48award while starting 26 games the past two seasons some of the strengths massive frame and elite length with 33 inch arms 10 inch hands sudden athleticism for his size 494 to five second 40 yard dash is 33 inchvert would have ranked top five at the combine 911 broad jumped proved he can move at 335 pass pro anchor powerful run mover again, that's kind of the one the packers are our circle double underlining classic big 10 mall or fits perfectly in physical downhill offenses high football intelligence with a low error rate multiple academic honor zero off field noise and some of the negatives run blocking consistency need some work lateral quickness can be a bit of a problem and limited early career starting experience. All right, let's take a break. We'll be back and rip through the last four prospects. We'll be right back. All right, the the next two are both Texas tech guys, one of which we just talked

21:57about yesterday, which is Ramello height. I mean, I don't even know how much we need to dig dig into this because again, we just talked about him yesterday, but certainly an intriguing potential second round pick. I think of this list. Maybe not. He's one of the only guys that it's probably seen as a second round pick. So in other words, the packers first pick of the draft, he would be in the mold of a more micaparsons as opposed to a Lucas Van Ness. And so you could certainly see it number one, because you'd want more than just one of them. We don't know what we have in Colin Oliver. And obviously we we're going to need some help in the first several weeks. Again, you don't really want to invest a second round pick in somebody that's just going to be their beneficial for four weeks of the season. So this would clearly be somebody that they genuinely

23:00like long term. They feel would be a great fit. A really solid pass rusher for us in our rotation with Van Ness and Micah. Obviously, if he really is a very good pass rusher, there's unlimited value. I mean, the benefit to this team would be staggering regardless of who's in front of them. So, you know, if they feel like he's that dude, they should go get him. But again, kind of interesting. We just talked about him yesterday. And you know, there are some issues there. He is sort of a speed bend guy a little bit of the on the shorter arms and not that that's impossible to work with. The longer arms generally are helpful, especially in the run defense realm, which, you know, remember when you're putting a lot on that front four to handle a lot of the defense, there's going to be a higher level of expectation for you as a run defender as opposed to just pin your ears back kind of a thing. It also helps as a pass rusher, but still obviously

24:01an extremely talented guy. He came in on the 30th. The other Texas tech guy is actually quarterback Baron Morton. He's sitting right at 284 on the consensus board. So back end of the seventh round, UDFA right in that range came in at 61206. Five years at Texas tech. He is 24 years old. Got his first time officially starting in 2024, although his snap counts went up significantly starting in 2022. But when he officially got the keys in 2024, it was actually a pretty successful season. 63% completion rate, 3300 yards, 7.1 yards per attempt, 27 touchdowns, eight interceptions, 79 passing grade, 4.1% big time throw rate, 2.8% turnover worthy play rate, 2.72 time to throw 97 NFL pass or rating. The next year, 73 grade, 2700 yards, 22 touchdowns,

25:06six interceptions, just kind of less, although he played like, well, three fifths of the amount of snaps, basically. But every bit is good. 6.3% big time throw rate, although 4.5% turnover worthy play rate. So more exciting throws, also more reckless throws, 105.6 pass or rating. He's a four star recruit out of high school gunslinger turns local roots into big 12 royalty, grew up in Eastland, Texas under the watchful eye of his father James, a long time high school coach and former West Texas A&M running back. At Eastland high, he exploded as a consensus four star recruit, highest rated quarterback, Texas tech has ever signed. Morton played through a grade three AC joint sprain in his throwing shoulder for two full seasons, a hairline fibula fracture throughout the entire second half of 2025, plus multiple lower leg issues, a tricep strain and concussion

26:07protocol. He still delivered career high efficiency in 2025. His toughness is unquestioned, but medical history is the biggest question mark for NFL teams. After modest early numbers, Morton posted 66% completion rate in 25 while leading the big 12 and completion percentage in efficiency through only 14 picks the final two seasons that looks correct. Morton transformed from a gunslinger into the one of the cleanest most ball secure quarterbacks in college football selected the East West shrine bowl went 25 of 32 for 310 yards and three touchdowns flashing the touch and decision making scouts wanted to see post injury. Some of his listed strengths elite short to intermediate accuracy and quick release functional pocket athleticism and play extension toughness and competitive fire arm talent in the intermediate game and decision making and structure. Some of the weaknesses limited deep balls hip and arm strength and dissipation and processing speed

27:09inconsistent pocket patients significant durability. So a lot of this kind of checks the boxes of what we talked about before as far as a packers backup quarterback with a couple notable exceptions. I think the inconsistent pocket patients as opposed to the stand-in and deliver thing. It does say inconsistent not that he doesn't do it, but that would be one and then anticipation and processing speed is another big one to be able to play in a mat and a floor offense. But this is also a very different style of offense. And so there's there's going to be tools questions of can we take this guy and work with this and kind of make something out of this pro comp e in book both undersized for the era but highly functional athletes quick release above average short to intermediate accuracy and toughness escape ability to extend plays Morton's efficiency edge and slightly better arm velocity give him similar backup slash spot starter upside the comparison

28:09pretty solid on tape secondary comp Brock party light ball security system success and competitive toughness echo party through a though Morton lacks the same elite anticipation and has more medical red flags. Then on April 2nd via Tony Pauline the Green Bay Packers had a top 30 visit with cornerback Charles Demings Demings 23 years old spent five years at STF Austin started the final three years in those years posted grades of 72 79 and 80 coverage grades of 69 82 and 80 NFL passer rating when targeted when from 73 to 64 to 39 in his final season he played 338 coverage snaps 80 grade 79 tackling grade 80 coverage grade is mistackle rate was just 5% despite having a 16% average in his career so that got significantly

29:13better 18 receptions which is exactly what he allowed for three years straight but 18 receptions 246 yards one touchdown four interceptions six pass breakups 39.8 passer rating when targeted he was a zero star recruit when he went to Steven F Austin he was a track athlete only seriously played football as a high school senior he arrived on campus with zero hype and a 3.3 GPA spent five years at whatever that city is emerged as the most decorated defensive back in Steven F Austin history across 42 games nearly 2000 snaps he posted 63 tackles two tackles for a lost nine picks and a program record 35 passes defended his 2025 senior season was electric first team all Southland first team AFC AFC S all American 18 tackles four picks five pass breakups were helping SFA posted 11-3 record and deep FCS playoff run he started 12 games earned PFF coverage grades north of 80 and routinely drew the opponents best receiver

30:17Demings has openly admitted that as a high school junior he was mowing lawns with his dad and never imagined college football let alone the NFL four years later he's one of only eight FCS players invited to the 2026 combine and he torched it at the senior bullies the first lumberjack ever invited and didn't show any didn't just show up he earned reps against power conference talent and proved his length and ball skills translate it was the moment national scout stop calling him that FCS guy you ran a 4 4 140 with a 42 inch verte 11 foot broad jump at the combine described as a vocal captain high character leader who helped SFA ranked top three in FCS scoring defense clean off the field profile checks every box for NFL teams strengths elite length and press physicality 6132 inch arms fluid hips and transition quickness ball skills and production explosive vertical athleticism improved tackling and perimeter run support as I mentioned that was kind of a problem got a lot better that final year anticipation and zone and high character

31:22work ethic five-year starter graduated with a public health degree and led by example some of the weaknesses small school competition jump occasionally grabby technique average run support consistency and transition transitional stiffness verse elite twitch as far as this injury history go ahead someone is at the front door durable four-year contributor who missed very few snaps despite heavy starting workload no significant injuries or surgeries on record pro comp there's a fun one Eric Stokes long athletic boundary corner with similar size and speed combo ball skills in college and special teams value you know it's funny too because as I had mentioned the packers had always but the the packers for a period of time seem to really like the Eric Stokes and the Kevin Kings and I had mentioned that we're kind of getting back to the Kevin King Eric Stokes era interestingly enough Eric Stokes is floating around out there and making decent money and playing pretty good ball at least he did for a year but any who he's off the market now it is funny that

32:24as we seemingly are getting back into that era we brought in Demings to check him out and his comp Eric Stokes long athletic boundary corner similar size speed combo ball skills and college did I read all this already Demings is more physical at the catch point and has better production but the movement profile on outside fit mirror Stokes at his best secondary comp come all hadn't of the Titans another lengthy speed fcs to NFL riser who wins with press physicality and vertical speed Demings has the edge in ball production no red flags Demings is a high character leader who graduated on time earned every honor through production and as zero off the field noise all right final guy another really fun one running back Mike Washington Jr. out of Arkansas so the the intrigue here is very obvious I mean he's six to two hundred and twenty eight pounds and ran a four three three forty yard dash I mean I don't know what else there is

33:25to uh to talk about I mean as far as just that would be dope he's got to be at the top of the list he spent three years at Buffalo one year at New Mexico state one at Arkansas his final year at Arkansas one thousand year one thousand sixty six yards six point four average eight touchdowns three fumbles seventy eight grade eighty four rushing grade three point eight sixty yards after contact thirty four missed tackles forced fifty seven yards versus longest rush ten carries over thirty carries over ten yards seventeen carries over fifteen yards I mean it's it's a it's a fun one you know we've talked about him a few times so I don't want to go over every single thing but started off as a two star guy at Buffalo led the bulls and rushing as a red shirt freshman bounced to New Mexico state before exploding in Arkansas clocked a four three three three second forty yard dash fastest at the position thirty nine inch vertennate broadjumple wiping away tears on live TV the emotional reaction came after years of being overlooked and evaluators

34:28immediately moved him upwards led the conference was sixteen rushing touchdowns of twenty plus yards despite just a hundred and sixty seven carries posted back to back hundred yard games versus SEC foes first since Alex Collins in 2015 and long touchdowns of fifty three and forty seven yards started for the American team and flashed acceleration vision and receiving skills in mobile practices drew raves for his bursts and pass pro improvements proved he belongs on the big stage and carried Arkansas's momentum straight into the evaluation process so the the biggest issue with Mike Washington is the fact that he's really unlikely to fall to us in the third round if he does it's an interesting conversation but it's going to be a tough sell to say that we need to draft Mike Washington junior in the second round when you have Josh Jacobs who is going to be your starting running back Mike Washington is going to be a backup and we got another guy that we drafted

35:28relatively early waiting in the wings that now is sitting there going so I guess I guess I'm screwed or like what what's going on here it would be fun to have Mike Washington and again if you fall to the third round we can have a different conversation I don't know how to justify him as our first pick in the draft that would be my only real concern I guess all right so those are the guys that we've met with at least as far as the top 30 visits again they've got 30 of them so as news comes in about these guys will be sure to continue talking about them and going through them and whatnot I have to add a couple of these to the the the big board here just for the sake of speeding up time I decided to not do it as I'm going because I got three more podcasts to do I got to get hurry and up here but I will go back and add those otherwise I will talk to you all later have a good day