Dr. Drew Noticed Something No One Else Did About Lindsay Clancy's Supporters

0:00Do you stand with her, yes or no? I don't think she did it. Yes. Which one is it? Accountability all the time when someone is murdered, in this case, three people, or only when it's convenient for you. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ All right, everybody. This is actual friends. And yes, for better or worse, Dave Rubin is back. I am joined. Thank you, Sage. Bro, can I get one clap? I mean, I know you brought me back. But just a golf clap maybe. He's got nothing left. He's got nothing. I can't be without Dave for more than about 18 hours. So that's the game I'm playing. My actual friends, Drew Pinsky, Sage Steel, and Jillian Michaels, unfortunately, had something at the last minute. So she's not joining us for my little comeback show here. But guys, I do have to say I ask the team, and I've heard around town. You really enjoyed yourselves without me in August. Should I be jealous, concerned, worried, Sage? Is my job OK in this scene?

1:01You should definitely be concerned, because our spouses crushed it. First of all, Susan looked flaming hot. She looked great. And she had some very strong takes. And then, you know, my Dave, super. I was like, would you stop being so smart? Go away. Leave us alone. There was actually something worse, Dave. We hit some ratings with our spouses. And just the three of us hanging out. So yeah, you should be worried. We need you to kind of bring it out. Yeah. And also, Sage being married to a Dave. It already has created tension here that I can be replaced at any moment. It's just a lot to deal with. But Drew, once again, thank you for bringing me back. And of course, Sage did it two years ago. Jillian did it last year. And maybe all three of you could do it next year. I'm sure. Yeah, more guys. Maybe you will join me off the grid. Perhaps I'm your old little adventurous. I was going to say, that's the goal. That's the goal. That means you have to share where you're going. We could all secretly go. Sage, I believe I sent you the link to this spectacular place

2:03in Greece. And it was Sage Steel would enjoy it. Let's put it that way. And I know Dr. Drew enjoys the finer things too. We would actually have a blast. But all right, it's good to be back. It's good to see you guys. As I said, Drew, the other day, it seemed to me. I didn't miss that much except for the story that we're going to start with today. And I'm going to kick it to Drew to take this Lindsay Clancy story off. It's all I'll say before we start in that I missed the month is that it seems to me it is opening up a schism in the country that Drew and I talk about the sort of male female stuff that's going on. But also it's just going to unearth all sorts of cultural and legal and philosophic and religious matters that maybe we don't need as we're rolling into midterms. But Drew, take it away. Well, I am feeling at sage I'll be interested in getting your opinion as we roll into this topic. But this, of course, the Lindsay Clancy update that case.

3:03But this male female heterosexual problem is hitting some sort of crisis point. And I'll tell you what I mean in a second. First of all, you've got a video of the Lindsay Clancy supporters saying they don't think Lindsay even killed her kids. Do you stand with her? Yes or no? I don't think she did it. Yes. We feel she's very sleep deprived. Her job is a labor and delivery nurse working night shifts and three children. OK. A lot. Do you have children? Yes. Would you ever hurt them? Yes. And no. As a mom or as a dad, I think that you are not perfect. So what are the consequences she should face for this? Obviously, she's already in a wheelchair. She should go to jail for negligence. He needs to take care of his kids. And that was his responsibility. Is this any of your girlfriends? No. This is your girlfriend? I think you have to do some reflection on that. I just have seen a little bit on TikTok of the case. I'm watching it on TikTok or like the live streams. Where are you getting your news that the defense

4:05might not be getting theirs? I don't. What do you say? TikTok. TikTok is co-existing people, especially women right now. So here's what they're all saying. We'll let you guys comment on this first, which is that, yes, we identify with her. We talked about this. We were talking about why you were gone. And we do and I talk about it on your show and then on my show. But women are identifying with how difficult it is and how what a relief it is to have a public conversation about the biological changes and the stress of job ring, et cetera. And she killed three kids. Right. This is the left out of the equation here. So sage, as the female in the group, please help us. I believe I'm the only one in this panel today that is birth to children. You know, hey, contributions there for sure. But yeah, did it three times and I shared two weeks ago when it was the couple's actual friends for the first time a little bit about my experiences and how I, it's real.

5:08I'll just say that. It's real. I felt it. I felt lucky and by the grace of God did an act on some of the things that were going on in my head immediately after childbirth for the first two. With that said, I have a lot of empathy for her and the situation she sounds like she was in. And there must be accountability. Both can and must exist for this. We can feel very badly for whatever state she was in and I'm not the doctor here. And there are three dead children and the fact that so many people are focusing more on her and her emotions during that time and the potential that the medical system and doctors failed to her, which seems very likely at this point. I don't know. It still doesn't change the fact that three kids, they're not just dead, but they were methodically killed one by one by this woman. And I find it interesting that women want equality in every single way in society and accountability,

6:16darn you men, whether that's just dating and who's paying for dinners or opening doors or you name it, voting financially. But when it comes to this and murder because it fits in their little narrative, then we should just say, you know what, she's already suffering, she's in a wheelchair. And you are those women out there, front of that courthouse and the many others that are spewing this stuff throughout social media. You are doing such damage and it makes me angry, the divide that they are creating. Which one is it? Accountability all the time when someone is murdered, in this case three people, or only when it's convenient for you. Yeah. And Dave? Well, Drew, I had Sage and Jillian on a pre-tap for Friday's Ruben report and Sage expanded a bit on her own struggles with postpartum for her first two kids. Is she just reference? And I guess she spoke about a few weeks ago on the show. And you can have all of the sympathy for that. You can have all of the empathy for that and you can blame all of the things of life

7:23around frustrations and prescription drugs. And you can do all of those things. And at the end, three kids are dead. And Sage pointed out in the most horrific way you basically can possibly imagine. Drew, I don't know if you read it or I don't know if there's audio of it, but I read the transcript of the husband's call to 9-1. I literally almost vomited. It was the most heartbreaking. The end of it, those last two lines are so... As I said on my show earlier, it's like a rip in the fabric of reality for something like this to happen. And Dave. And Dave, the people that have heard that tape said he was howling with grief and pain. And this is the guy that those women you saw in that video that say she didn't do it. Well, just turn around and go, I think he did it. I think he had these guys. So it's creating a major issue. So that's actually what I wanted to say because in that video alone, if we just comment on that for a moment,

8:23one of the girls says she didn't do it. Someone else said he should go to jail. So, okay, so we're getting a series of crazy responses. That's one part of this. But the real part is, okay, what do you do now? You can have all of the sympathy in the world for whatever a woman going through, post-partum depression is going through. You've spent a career warning people about drugs and getting hooked on all sorts of things and side effects and everything else. So you can have every bit of sympathy and empathy towards that. However, at the end, if society is to say, for whatever reason, you killed three children, your own children, but you killed three children. And now there's some set of reasons that we are going to not put you in jail. It's over. Society, I really mean that. Like, it would be such a pull in the fabric of what society is. It could, it could, it could, it will shred everything, especially all the stuff that

9:24you're concerned about related to male, female relations. I was a man going to leave his wife with his kids. How are we going to ever vote for a woman? I mean, there's, we could do a hundred versions of this. Speaking of court cases, would the courts rule against New York City's PA to tear tax roll out this year? Call she's like buying or selling a stock, except the line isn't set by an algorithm working against you. It moves based on where the money goes. It shows where people are putting their money, not what the media wants you to believe. So if you put a hundred dollars on yes, you can earn $145 if correct. Download the call she app and use code friends to get 25 when you trade 25. Call she put your money where your prediction is. That is it. That's where it started. The rubber started hitting the road. We're men are saying, well, that's it. That is the last straw. I've been treated like crack for the last 20 years. I've told them toxic. I've tried to be a good version of the male. Now, and now, marriage is not a good deal for me. There's all these, you talk about tick talks. There's all these women online going, I just not feeling it anymore.

10:28I'm going to leave my husband. It's not what I was looking for. Then she takes half of him. These are women living in beautiful surroundings, clearly being taken care of. They're not working. The men go, what's in this for me? And the women get the, so are you going to kill some kids? Right. Well, and the women we checked this before, but the women get the children, get custody the children 80% of the time, regardless of the standing of the relationship or the parenting style, etc. That's right. That's right. So the men are saying, nothing in this for me, I'm out. And I see men fleeing right now. They're absolutely fleeing. They're going to other countries to find relationships, or they're just checking out entirely. It is a mess. And somehow it's hitting some sort of crisis point. I don't know where it's going, but I see it take me by day. I don't blame you. I don't blame men. I don't blame you guys. Anyone out there watching, I don't. We talked about this earlier too, where, you know, with abortion and men don't have, say, fathers don't have a say in that. Okay, could debate that till the end of time.

11:29D.E. I, the me too movement, all of the things that have been like men are toxic. Who needs men? Men are evil. Men are this. Men are that. And this guy, Patrick Clancy, should go to jail because I heard one woman say he worked too much and he wasn't around to help support her. So he's responsible for her using exercise bands to kill her children. Like I just, I have a 22 year old son. Dave, you have two boys, Drew, same, like the end of the day. I'm trying to raise my son. And he's doing a really good job to be a beautiful young man, a gentleman, a leader, supportive loving towards all women. And we have these talks and he's like, mom, I'm afraid to tell someone, oh, hey, I like your dress, you know, like what we, exactly, exactly have created now is I believe it, we

12:32have crossed the line here completely, probably did a while ago. And I want to say to men, please, please, there are enough sane women out there. I don't know where you're looking who don't believe this way. But I also think, and I'll show up after this, like for those young men who are single, the one guy in the video, his girlfriend was saying crazy things. You have to have these conversations early on your relationship to know exactly what type of woman you're getting. Frankly, because of society, because of social media, because of the indoctrination, I mean, women aren't like the women that were just in the past generation. Let me show you another version, which is this is Dawn Light, who actually a harassed a juror, we have two videos on her. Let's put that up. There was a supplemental order regarding protocol for media coverage of you, essentially according to Judge Sullivan and rule 119-2B. The court prohibits the filming or photographing of any juror at any time, including during

13:32court proceedings, court proceedings, and court conducted view. No person shall contact, follow interview or communicate it any way with the juror prior to the discharge of the jury or otherwise harass her tamper with the juror before, during or after the view. Although she states that she was looking. All right, so we apologize for that glitchy feed there, but that was our very first look at 56-year-old Dawn Light in the state of Massachusetts, Dana, clearly not messing around. She is facing one charge, felony charge of jury intimidation. You heard the prosecutor mentioning that not only was she taking pictures, she was videoing these jurors, she went into a restricted area. She entered a plea of not guilty, we are told, and just to show how serious this is, she's facing potentially up to 20 years in prison because the Lindsey Clancy case involves a potential life sentence. That potentially increases the penalties in this case. So that woman is in a whole lot of legal hot water right now. Here she is, here she has been chased by the media and running from the media herself.

14:32Take a look at this. Prosecutors say Dawn Light, who ran from media today, filmed jurors leaving court yesterday, though she claims she only wanted to record Clancy. She is now barred from the courthouse and ordered not to share the videos. I have a little bit of sympathy for her because she's brainwashed. She's brainwashed while this nonsense, but that's about all I got. And, come on. No, you guys know I was gone for some of this. I think I'm missing part of the story. Do we know that she is a Clancy supporter and she was trying to somehow tamper with the jury? No, other way. She was harassing the juror, it's screaming about letting Clancy go sort of thing is what I heard. So, all right, so, but it doesn't matter either way you can't tamper with the jury and you can't videotape these people. Drew, let me ask you something on the specifics of this, which is with all the research and

15:32education you have on this and patients that you've dealt with. So, okay, so there's postpartum depression. And then it sounds like there was on again, off again, prescription drugs that were at times working, not working. Maybe she got off them appropriately or not, probably. So there was a series of things here. Would you say any of that stuff, if you add all of that up, does that change your opinion on what should happen to her in terms of a legal punishment now? It does me because I know that at the core here is the failure of primary care medicine. If there was somebody watching this thing caring about her, shepherding her through the system, none of this would have happened. And ER doctors prescribing that nurse practitioners prescribing, she was on as you say, oh, maybe Benzles, maybe withdrawal, maybe withdrawal from the meds. And even maybe she wasn't taking her antidepressants away she was supposed to and started talking about harming herself. That is a hospitalized emergency. That person should be in the hospital, in a psychiatric hospital.

16:35And she was not hospitalized. And I can lay blame at the foot of the healthcare system for so much of what happened here. But from a legal standpoint, she seemed to understand that she was doing something wrong. And that's where she has a problem. There's a gigantic distance between the medical definition of insane and the legal definition. Right. I mean, that's basically exactly what I was asking you. All of that stuff notwithstanding. And your butt there, I think, answers it. So I think sage, it sounds like all four of us, including Jillian from the other show, we're on the same page here that you can have all the sympathy and you can do everything that you just said is probably totally correct. And there may have been complete mismanagement of all of her medical needs and everything else. You can't kill your children on a society count, let you off the hook. But by the way, the prosecution did not, I heard people who were really watching the court carefully, did not do a great job of sorting that out for the jury. What is insanity in the eyes of the law?

17:35They did not make an issue of that the way they should have. And so ease, easier for a juror to go, well, it's a medical problem. I don't, this woman was not her right mind. And that's that. And the jury has now been set back twice for negotiation. Yeah. To take the duration. I think that that is such an important distinction. Regardless, the accountability must happen. And I mean more than an mental institution for evaluation even though I'm not saying that's pleasant and could take years. I still think there's more to this and without knowing, without being a doctor, but just having to go next level because the prosecution didn't do a great job there, but going digging deeper and doing some research. I mean, there are a lot of differences. It seems like with what she did and how many other cases that we have seen before Lindsey Clancy, where a woman snaps. It seems to be more immediate and in that moment. And because Lindsey did Google searches and timed out how long it would take her husband

18:39to get to and from the restaurant and stop at CVS on the way. And one by one, if you snap and it's like you, you can almost understand that based on the definition of psychosis, this has a real premeditation feel to me based on the facts that we know. So to me, it's pretty black and white. And I think it's fascinating now that it looks like who knows when this airs, but by time this airs, but mistrial and nine women, jurors, three male jurors. And for this to be deadlocked, it would be excruciating to be a fly in the multi-listen to those conversations. But I think that there's no way for us not to wonder what those conversations were from the women in particular based on the women on the outside of the courtroom and what is happening online as well. I'll just say last thing, Drew, I think you're completely right. I mean, if she gets off or if the gets off in essence goes to a mental institution as opposed to go to jail, what this will do for male female relations, I think we have,

19:42it is impossible to predict. It's going to be insane. And it's all ready to have been done. It is. And I didn't, I don't think I had thought much about that, Drew, as much as I should have an precedent setting as well, right? Or other women because we are suddenly seeing a copycat or if I don't know if they're just being publicized more now. But so then everybody's going to refer back to this case. So we'll see, pressure's on. As you guys know, I recently banged up my shoulder and it's been a reminder of how quickly pain can get in the way of your everyday life, whether it's your shoulder, your back, your knees, or just general muscle soreness from exercise and daily life, it can make doing the things you love a lot less enjoyable. That's why I've been taking relief factor, throw it to me right now. Look at that. It's 100% drug-free research-based formula. The ingredients like omega-3, turmeric, redsvera troll, like Karen, black pepper, and more designed to help your body support. It's healthy response to inflammation and help reduce everyday discomfort. Since starting relief factor, I've noticed a difference in how I feel today today and it's helped me stay active and keep doing the things I enjoy like this show.

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21:46Let me just try this. No. Take a look at some video and I'm going to talk over it. His name is Dejan Love. He's 35 years old. These are highlights. I use that term very lightly. Of him posing to be a wide receiver for the San Francisco 49ers. Here's the problem. He wasn't. He never was. And what he did is he created videos like this. And the one I'm about to show you signing a fake contract. He posed to sign a contract signing in the National Football League. He did it as a scheme to find women and steal their money. He has been arrested and charged with wire fraud running an elaborate $1.3 million. What the investigators called a romance and investment scam that was quite successful over the last couple of years. Take a look at the details and the levels to which he went. This is him recreating signing the Senate Bill contract.

22:51My boy, Dejan Love signed this contract. How you feel? I'm ready. I'm ready for the season. We're going to be going with many episodes. Sign that bad boy. Who's your decision? Nine. You know the nine-year gang. Yes, sir. I stopped. You know what I'm saying? We good to go. Let's get ready to start the season. Anything you're going to say for the fans? It's got number seven. The last name, Love, 6, 5, 210, I'm out of here. Why? Maybe he figured that the more time he said, no, I'm saying that it would seem real illegitimate. I don't know. The sad thing is 26 different women fell for this. He pocketed $1.3 million. Oh my God. You can go in a lot of directions here. I'll speak about the elephant in the room and you guys can go to the other areas of it if you want to. How did 26 different women fall for this thing?

23:53How? Ladies. Ladies, what are we doing right now? Obviously, they don't know sports much, but apparently, and I'll end on this. Apparently, he got pretty creative. He had a 18-year-old. Maybe he was the kid that was filming and trying to make sure they didn't realize that no other NFL executives were in the room when this was happening. You don't do it at home and you're living. You go there and it's a press conference, guys. But at the end of the day, he used AI technology to show them, see, I'm on the San Francisco 49ers roster, see? He got a little creative in all these women fell for it. It's so sad. Okay, Dave, you want to start? I'm going to pun, no pun intended for people in allergy. I'm going to punt that part. I'm going to just go to the fun part of this. I mean, the guy wanted to get laid, wanted to make some money, and he did something that is so completely insane that it would have been a great 80s movie. That just feels like 80s movie to me, right? Oh my gosh. It really does. Maybe Wesley Snipes would have been the actor.

24:57He wanted to meet chicks and make some money, and he wanted to live his dream, and he's not good enough to make it in the NFL. He did all of that. 26 women notwithstanding wire fraud. Okay, fine. I get it. Don't do that kind of stuff. But come on. There's a reason Drew and I were smiling the entire time you were telling this story. Was a couple of reasons I was smiling? One, let me just mention the one not so funny part I was thinking about is the level of sophisticated fraud that goes on in this country is just unbelievable. I was hearing somebody talk today about the Medicare fraud and how much of our Medicare dollars are going over to Somalia. It's higher than the GDP of Somalia. Is our Medicare money being ripped off instead of it's just astonishing to me that we, something is wrong, or we're not policing ourselves, or we don't ask questions or something.

25:57But the other thing I was smiling about is, and I ended up thinking about this day after we had this conversation, we were talking about interior decor of NBA players. Let's just say. And sage, you know what he's referring to, think for a second. You got it. And I just thought, no audience is going to be in the slight mystery zone here. But you can't, I can't say the specifics, but what I was ruminating about is who are the women? There's got to be a lot to know who are they. What are they doing? Well, I saw some photos and I listened, I'm just not going to judge. Go take a look at some of the photos of the women who, I don't know who took them or posted them naive. And then I thought about, see, I tried to have the empathy feeling as well, perspective. I'm trying to be you, Drew and Jillian. I'm like, okay, these women are looking for love. They are looking, they had daddy issues and needed to have someone like to come and take

26:59care of them. I mean, he was on every single dating app doing this and quite successful. But when you go, what woman would fault this? And if that's the reason why you fall for it, by the way, there's a whole other conversation about, oh, he's rich. He's in the NFL. And then, by the way, one of the things he said, like they created these, they're a fake story about the investments in which he's involved. Like, he apparently owned a Gucci franchise. Like, it was so, and these women did no research. I feel bad for them and, what you're doing, if that's your why for wanting to date somebody, right? Okay. Look, there is something to be said about what people, you know, the type of people that want to be around power and money, obviously. And there's something inherently like sexy and cool about being around professional athletes and all of those things. And he just played, he played a very dangerous game. He played it pretty well until it blew up in your face. But you know what this, this reminds me of saying that you guys love this at the height of the Harvey Weinstein craziness during me too, when he's being exposed for all of the

28:02crazy stuff that he did in the women he arrests and everything else. You guys probably know Eric Weinstein, the physicist who's big in our circles online. He said this story once. So I'm not speaking out of school. He got a DM at the height of the Harvey Weinstein thing. He gets a DM on Twitter from a young, she happened to be black, a young black actress saying, I don't care what you did. Can you please help me get in your movies? She thought Eric was Harvey and was telling people or was telling him, it doesn't matter what you've done with all the harassment and the rapes and everything else. Can you just get me a job? So there's something about, you know, people just want in on the thing. Yes. So the thing is the things, yes. I'll end on this one, which maybe we definitely have to laugh at. I'm sorry, at the story itself and the video I'm about to show you. And it really ties into this conversation about football and masculinity and big, strong, tough men being involved in every aspect of football, including male cheerleaders, Neon

29:08Fal, take a look. Okay. Okay. Bless his heart. Before I bless his heart, before I see up, whichever one of you wants to take it first, I'll just take it first. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm not sure what I'm going to say. I don't want this to happen here. They're about a third of the NFL teams, 32 teams that have male cheerleaders. Here's the difference. Only a handful look like that and act like that and thrust their hips like that. The rest of them are part of the stunt team. You know, the big beefy guy. Gymnast. Throw in a chair, yeah. Hello? Yes. How do you, everybody's inclusive and it feels great. I think the Democrats are a pick that we have to keep in mind for football probably isn't

30:10loving that part. But whatever, all I know is that is, hey, he's a good dancer, Dave Rubin. Yeah. I mean, I would just say, it's just like who's it for, really? Right? So when you're just hiring and whatever, you know, like to me, you think of cheerleaders, I think of the Lakers, girls of the 80s. Like it was pretty obvious who Paula Abdul and the rest of them were dancing for and they were legendary and incredible and everything else. So this is just sort of, it's like the DEI of everything. It's like, okay, so you threw this guy in there and that's fine and he's fine dancer and okay, but there is something weird about it and that has nothing to do with sexuality or anything else. It's just, it's like, who are you doing this for? And that really, to me, would be the question. Like you want to. So you have those two demos. You have men that male demo watching football who like watching women with their sexy God bless you, women with their sexy outfits. And then you have women who are like, okay, there's treasurers. Do the women want to see that?

31:12Right. So that's the question then. If the idea was, if the idea was when you had traditional Dallas cowboy cheerleaders that it's for the men that like football, that fully makes sense and the women might like the dancing or they just whatever their husbands get to gag on something. You're right. Is there any woman that's watching a rather effeminate guy dance like like is she turned on by that? No. So then you might say, okay, so is that for the probably 2% of gay men that are watching the NFL and it's like, I know a lot of gay guys. Nobody likes that, that whatever that is. Like that's not the thing that turns, I mean, I suppose somebody does, but like that isn't it either and that wouldn't make any sense. It's diversity in a sense for the sake of diversity rather than bettering the product. Yes, that's really what it seems. Yes. I think that's the point. It just seems like bad business. Well, the NFL's gotten really good at bad business. The product is so good that nobody cares. By the way, they're still going to go back and put end racism in the end zones this season, et cetera.

32:12So everybody's still all in on that. But I just think, just like the Bud Light, right, when you look at it from a marketing perspective and a business making money perspective is that what? Now, that's not affecting their bottom line. Okay, fine. So, you know, the day you're just like really and okay, we could go back to women's sports and in these spots should not spot go to a woman is not your tradition with cheerleading. We'll leave that long, but at least it's going to entertain men to watch them jayrate. I think speaking of speaking of Bud Light, I think they have a huge opportunity with Roesha White. They could really lend all those issues together in one. That's your best friend. People will come roaring back to Bud Light, trust me. Drew is the biggest Roesha White fan in the world in the world. Well, of course, being healthy is hard enough these days and look, we're getting older and there's conflicting information out there. When it comes to Medicare, you need your insurance to work for you, not against your nothing is worse. Medicare was created in 1965 to make sure Americans could access the healthcare.

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34:15And we're always, I think, somewhat conflicted. I know I am all the time when I do celebrity stuff. It's like, why should we care what they say? On the other hand, they have relevance. And if they're saying crazy things, we always feel like we should counter it a little bit. I saw this clip yesterday of Ryan Reynolds, who always did bull. He was in one of the X-Men movies. What else? He was in that movie with Betty White. What else has he been in over the years, Ryan Reynolds? He was in the... He was in the Black Liveshowsman. What? The proposal was the Betty White one. He's Blake Liveshowsman. He was in... Two guys. Two guys that grew up. Two guys that grew up at Pizza Shop was what he got started with. Two guys that grew up at Pizza Shop and an anchovy or something was on for a season. No, he's done stuff. Everyone knows who he is. Anyway, he's got some... He's on a red carpet here for a new movie, I suppose. And he said one of... This has got to be the strangest thing I have ever heard related to anyone ever talking about my decade, the 1980s. What's interesting about when you get far enough away from a time period that's quite distinct, I think there's always a lovely feeling associated with it.

35:16It's almost like you pave over all the trauma with like puppy dogs and ice cream. And the 80s was a brutal, brutal time for people. It was a f***ing mess. People forget that it was like that was a tremendous strife, sociopolitical tensions everywhere. We're still pretty fresh off a Cuban missile crisis, which is only like 15, 20 years before. So it's a tumultuous period, but you look back at it now and you're like, oh yeah, top gun, cocaine. No, it was a really scary. So I think when you look back at 2026 in this era, I think you've got to pick on with big ticket items that don't really... Didn't really leave the footprint culturally that you would think it would. I don't know so much of the odds were like a mix of all the decades previous, whereas the decades previous were their own thing. So... I don't know. I don't know what he is talking about. Just don't trust a guy who's wearing an mascot unless his name is Mr. Furley. That's one thing. Right, right. They're great. They're great, don't trust a gentleman.

36:18But what is he talking about? The 80s? It was full of strife because we were 20 years after the Cuban missile crisis. So crazy. I go over the 80s. The 80s were incredible. Every single day, a new movie, a new TV show, a new toy, a new cartoon, a new invention. America was hot. Rocky IV. We knew who our enemy was. It was Russia. I could do this all day long. The 80s were everything that was great about America and capitalism and all what? Also, why does he sound so effeminate suddenly? What's that about, too? Well, oh my God, I've got so much to say. Remember, Michael J. Foxx got famous playing a capitalist with the hippie parents because he represented the 80s. And look, I am a Ryan Reynolds fan. I met him way back in the day. People take him a day and all the time. I think he's a great guy. He's something wrong with the people taking aim at him. I don't understand why because he's a good guy. He is very wrong here. I not only was, I was a young adult in the 80s.

37:21And what he's talking about is the 70s, which were terrible. And the 80s was this huge relief that came. And yes, there was a lot of hatred for Reagan at the beginning, but things went so well that it went away. And it was just one relief, one celebration after another for like eight years. Are you telling me, Drew? Are you telling me, Drew? Drew, as a young man in the 80s, you weren't worried about being 15 years after the Cuban missile crisis? It was the end of strife. It was the end of communism. It was so positive. People don't understand. Yes, there were people at issues with some of Reagan's policies, but the vibe of the 80s was so positive, was so celebratory. There's this incredible meme of the 80s, of the amount of movies, unbelievable movies that came out every year in the 80s. And it goes through the top three of each year in the 80s. He'll grab it. But the jock of... The jock of... Yes. ...all the jock of the youth stuff was just sort of the youth celebration. Yes, the youth. The youth. Yes.

38:21It was such a magical... I feel so lucky that that's when I was growing up. And you guys know my daughter, Quinn, and she always says that she's like, Mom, I was born at the wrong time. I'm that kid. And actually, 100% are. And I had looked up earlier. I just found it again. 12 reasons why the 80s was the best decade. And you pretty much named them, Dave. The mix tape, the fashion, the hairstyles. We all used Aquina and hairspray the t-shirts, the movies, arcade games, the music, the music. That's Michael Jackson. It was so good and boy George and the punk fans. And you know what? I go... Let's go in the middle. 1985. That was in like eighth grade. And Reynolds was in like fourth grade. And I'm pretty sure he was thinking about none of the things that he was discussing, trying to sound so smart on whatever red carpet that was. Like just stop it and stop trying to find reasons to bitch and moan for an error that you were hardly alive in when there's actually so much good, especially for someone like him who complains about today.

39:22Look at today, the last 10, 20 years, give you two decades, not just the 80s, and compare it to them. Stop. Does Joseph have that? Yeah, I think we have the image here. Yeah, oh yeah, this is it. So look at this. 1980, it's going to be a little hard for me to see all this 1980. Empire Strikes Back, 9 to 5, and I can't see what the last... And stir crazy with the prior and Gene Wilder. The next year, Raiders of the Lost Ark, 007, Superman 2, 82 ET, what's that Rocky 3, right? And... Oh, Tutsi, which was amazing with Dustin Hoffman. 83, Return of the Jedi, Flash Dance, which was great. Oh my gosh. Yes. Octopussy, another Bond. Then Temple of Doom in 84, which I think is the best of all of them. Beverly Hills Cop, Eddie Murphy's Best Movie, Ghostbusters, Classic. I mean, you gotta have to read all of them. But back to the future, Rambo Rocky 4, what was dirty dancing is there, back to the future 2, like, Rainman. Did you test Top Gun? Top Gun was in there. There was just a burst of everything.

40:24It doesn't even include that Nintendo came out in 1985 and opened up a whole new world of video games. The amount of sitcoms, the amount of Hollywood was still cool. But to me, it's more about what Rocky 4 was about, that we knew America was the good guy then, and that's directly connected to the Reagan stuff you talked about, Drew. The whole country knew what it was. Where now we have no idea what we are in half the country seems to hate the country. So I just don't... Look, I'm sure Ryan Reynolds is a perfectly fine guy. I just don't know what. But the problem is this when people like Ryan Reynolds say those things. They say it so definitively, and these are the facts. And okay, if you don't like what you remember from being a four-year-old in the 80s, then that's fine. But the one word that always comes to mind for me about the 1980s, innocence. There was a real innocence to it just based on those movies. And the fact that we actually left our home and got popcorn and went to the movies and saved up our money from allowance and then newspaper routes that we had for jobs to go enjoy those movies where there wasn't a political divide.

41:24And right now, this is the opposite of innocence. Yeah, sage, the one thing I've been setting for 15 years or so was what happened to fun? The 80s were just flat out fun. They really were. People were having fun. And we just don't seem to have fun anymore. Yeah. Joseph just checked. Ryan Reynolds is 49. So he's a year younger than me. So how is it possible that he has some hangover from the Cuban Missile Crisis, which I'm pretty sure I'd never heard of out until I was probably in later in high school in the 90s? Like it just makes no sense. But yes, the fun thing it drew, you know, we talked about that the other day. The difference between a sage, if you haven't seen it yet, we watched two movies with the kids when we were off the grid. We watched Toy Story 5, which was, it's wonderful. It's about conflict between screens and toys. And one of the things that the toys say, because they realize everyone's not playing with the toys anymore and they're playing with the screens, one of the toys is like, well, it's okay, at least she's still playing on the screen.

42:25And then the other toy is like, no, that's a game on there. Playing is what she does with us. Imagination and pretend and all of those things. And in the 80s, I would get home from school. My mom would have something ready to go for a seat. And then I'd get on my bike and I wasn't back till about eight o'clock. Yes. I know what the hell we did. And a great time and it was safe to do and we didn't have cell phones or GPS or anything else. And you know what else we didn't have? We didn't have the mental health crisis that we have now. We didn't have nearly the number of fat kids. We didn't have a litany of issues that have to do with health. Right. Every town had one fat kid. That's how it worked. We all had one fat kid. That's it. It's like. Also, we had academic institutions that were in the pursuit of the truth. That was the goal of the education. So the lesson here is to stop and again, it's almost for two signaling in a different way. What a Hollywood people like Ryan are doing in that moment is nice as he might be. I don't know again. Him marrying Blake Lively makes me question a lot of things. But the glass half full version of this for me is that we got to live in that era.

43:31We got to experience it. We have such cool memories from that time, which is why we are upset today and trying to do what we can to bring things back a little bit here and there. Just by having important conversations because that was a great time to be a kid. Well said. Damn straight sister. Yes. I got nothing else. I know there was one other thing they wanted me to throw to, but I'm an in on Sage's brilliant point. I love it. Goodbye. Thank you guys.