Dowsing, Hidden History - Maria Wheatley - TSP Archives

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1:01Hey, guys, welcome back to another episode of the Typical Skeptic Podcast. My next guest came highly recommended from my friend, Raqistaldo. He told me about, he said, you have to get Maria Wheatley on your show. He said, she's really amazing. So I said, okay. So I got a hold of her. And here we are today. I'm really excited to have her on as a, especially on a day like Easter when it's like a kind of like a, it's not, I'm not religious at all, but it's still a special day, you know. So a little bit more about my guest. Maria is a second generation Douser who was taught by the European master Dousers, her late father in Chinese geomance. Maria is the UK's leading authority on such energies and they lines that were skillfully incorporated into megaolithic sites. Maria runs tours to sacred sites worldwide to experience guys numerous energies. Maria is an accomplished author of many books on sacred sites, dowsing past life astrology. She discovered the neolithic long headed loss civilization of the British owls that had a mystical experience,

2:04mythical experience and appearance and memories of whom were legends and woven into the fae. Maria has recently discovered that certain geodetic energies correspond to healing our musical harmonics, the music of the earth that flows into sacred sites. She has also studied Neolithic Britain and Bronze Age prehistory at Bath and Oxford University and works closely with guys healing energies that can help the body to help heal itself. Maria is also a druid who follows a Celtic path and was also written many diploma courses and runs esotericcollege.com that offers certified courses on holistic subjects. Maria teaches advanced thousand techniques which are not taught anywhere else in the world. Maria is websites the www.theavbarry that's the aviebureyxperience.co.uk and also the esotericcollege.com. And I want to give her a big warm welcome to the show. Maria, thank you for coming on. How are you?

3:04Oh, very well. Thanks for having me on. Like you say, this very special day for many people worldwide, Easter Sunday. Yeah, so you're a druid. But do you follow that story that St. Patrick kicked the druids out of Ireland? Or do you know what I'm talking about? How they say that St. Patrick, there was no snakes in Ireland. So they say that St. Patrick kind of kicked the druids out of Ireland. And then it makes people think that there's a divide between druid and Christianity. But it seems like it's all spirituality at the end of the day. Exactly. It is spirituality. And there was a crossover period before St. Patrick came to Ireland. And druid was being integrated into the belief systems of Christianity and Christianity was being integrated into the druid way of life. They were called the cul-dees. And so it was the cul-dees that were crossover point. I mean, historically Christianity tends to dominate the pagan sites.

4:04And that's why St. Patrick apparently banished every single snake, which is untrue. It's a myth. Yeah, that's interesting. I find that really interesting. So before we get into your stuff, do you have an opinion like, look, I figured we could cover this real quick today. I'd love to eat your opinion. Do you have an opinion on the historical figure of Jesus? Like, since it's Easter, like, you know, a lot of people think he could have been this rabbi named yes. So yes, you'll have been Joseph. And, you know, but some people seem to think they have a lot of evidence on them. Other people think the stories made up by Rome. So, you know, I'm all over the place with it. You know, I always tell people, I don't really follow one theory on my channel. I kind of just leave, leave it open. And I kind of put it in the back of my mind for later. So, and then I try to make sense of it all later. You know, the story of Jesus is a perplexing one to me because there's so much different stuff out there. Do you have any kind of way you think about it or like to think about it?

5:05Okay. I'm going to talk about Jesus from the British Isles perspective because I'm from the British Isles. And it might be a little bit different to what you've heard. It's long been said that Jesus came to the British Isles with his uncle Joseph of Arimathea. And then later Joseph of Arimathea returned to the British Isles with a staff. He planted his staff into a hill called Where You're Hill, from which a holy thorn grew. And every single Easter in Christmas, the royal family have that holy thorn on their table. It's been analysed. It did come from the Middle East, this thorn. Now Joseph of Arimathea, under the direction of, we believe, other high priests built the first church of Christendom in Glastonbury, the sacred geometry of that first church, which was circular and had what's called 12 cells.

6:05Imagine a circle with 12 circles on the inside. And that had exactly the same diameter and sacred geometry as Stonehenge. Incorporated the diameter of the earth, for example, in respect to 79.20 feet across in diameter. You multiply that by 100 and change feet into miles. You've got 7,920 feet, the diameter of the earth. And is also said in legend that Joseph of Arimathea brought the holy grail of the Christ to Glastonbury. And it is said by some to be buried in Chalice Hill, other places claim the grail as well. So from a British perspective, I see Jesus as a traveler and creating the sacred geometries that are identical to earlier pagan sites. That's fascinating. So do you feel that he had a bloodline as well?

7:05Do you think, do you follow the story that he went to before he came to the British house? He went to France and he was with Mary Magdalene and they had a daughter Sarah. I think her name is Tom R. And some other texts and stuff like that. Do you buy into that or what do you think about the bloodline? Yes, there was a book out I think in the late 80s or 90s about the bloodline of the grail. If you go to a church in Scotland, I can't remember which one it is offhand. It may come to me. There's actually a stained glass church window with a pregnant Mary Magdalene for one. So there's kind of some evidence suggesting towards that. France and England have long held close allies in terms of megalithic building and churches and cathedrals. All of the churches and cathedrals across the British Isles are laid out to esoteric design canons that incorporate things like magic squares of antiquity

8:06and also earth energies. And the night's temple have followed something very similar. So basically if you went to Schatz Cathedral near Paris and you went to Sorsby Cathedral near Stonehenge, the design layout is near enough identical. If you see what I mean, in terms of earth energies. So yes, I see a bloodline, but not just a bloodline. I see an esoteric tradition woven into that bloodline that influenced the masons and the building of churches, especially around the eighth to the ninth century across the British Isles and Northwest Europe. That's fascinating. Wow. I never knew any of that. That's interesting. So I'll start like here. Where did you get your start and all this? I mean, I know I read your bio, it sounds really interesting. What got your interest in dowsing? And then how did you end up studying Chinese geometric dowsing

9:06and stuff like that? Well, my late father was considered one of Britain's top master dowsers. So I grew up with dowsing and I followed in his footsteps. And my late father had excellent contacts with master dowsers across Europe in China and beyond Bali, for example. He was very interested and he himself wrote books on Stonehenge and dowsing and Masonic secrets about the layout of churches. And so really I followed in his footsteps and ended up going around 17 different countries worldwide. I've doused in now from Turin to Egypt. I've really one of the most experienced dowsers. And it was just became a passion. You know, when you've got a passion and I started to have my books published about 20 years ago, once a bestseller now. And I just have carried on in that tradition and it would let me to other discoveries as well. So you could say, Rob is in my DNA.

10:07Yeah, that's fascinating. Yeah, that's really cool. So, okay, let's get into the new book. The new book is the secrets of Stonehenge. Is that correct? Yes, it's called the secret history of Stonehenge. It's about ancient civilizations. Many other sites beyond Stonehenge as well, but Stonehenge is a photo of the book. And I explore different types of earth energies, lay lines. And also what Stonehenge originally looked like. We built it. Long lost civilizations. It really does encompass its 390 pages. It really does encompass many, many chapters. And we're just going to have a tiny window into that with this hour. But it was, it's a groundbreaking book. It's already been received very well by alternative, the alternative community. If you will, so I'm very proud of that book. That's fascinating.

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12:09What would you say? Stonehenge has many different phases as do many Neolithic sites worldwide. So if we imagine Stonehenge Phase One consisted of a massive stone circle cut out of the solid chalk bedrock with banks 10 feet high and 56 blue stones that were transported from Wales, that Stonehenge Phase One. That was dismantled. It lasted for about 500 years. And then the ancients dismantled that and built the stonehenge that we are familiar with, although they are missing stones and settings. I'll talk about it in a moment. So the stonehenge has different phases as what I'd like to point out to your audience. It isn't just one phase. Who built it? Who built Stonehenge? Were there what's called by archaeologists? The Neolithic people. The Neolithic people lived five and a half thousand years ago.

13:09And I discovered from one of their long burrows that's where people were placed and buried. So we have skulls, we have skeletons, we have femur bones. And I looked into one burrow near Stonehenge and discovered a long skull woman. And she must have been prestigious. Maybe a high priest or a high queen because her burial was successful. And she did it like the pharaohs. We're going to have more special burials than the commoners for instance. So we know that there are pharaohs. It's very similar in ancient Britain as well. And their skulls were very long and extended. And what I also discovered was the femur bones. And the femur bones give a measurement of height. One should have a femur bone, anthropologists, police that find them can estimate a rough height for inches in height. And they were quite small. They were four feet nine the women. And the men were five feet four.

14:09Much later, the giant types came over to the British trials. But in this era, it was these long-scaled people. But what I also discovered from reports of anthropologists writing about them about sort of 50 to 150 years ago was that their ear placements were different. That's no work like ours. And that gave them a slight mythological appearance. A bit like pixies for fey. They're always depicted with unusual ears. And also in the anthropologist, the report, it did mention by anthropologists that their ear bones were different. And I gave that report to a doctor I know that worked in the accident and emergency department in a London hospital. And she said she found it very, very unusual. And that was impossible. She's never heard of it in an ear like that. And I said to her, what if it is true? Let's go down that road.

15:09And she said if that is indeed the case, they would have heard different frequencies. And I think they would have heard frequencies emanating from the ear from standing stones, for example. So we need to kind of think back to the past. The people of the past that built Stonehenge did not look like us. And if one was by me now, even though they had long skulls, their skulls were smaller, almost childlike. When I've photographed the book, numerous examples of long skull people, and they're like childlike. So imagine a child's head shape with a long skull on an adult body. Their heads were smaller, but longer. You think of the gradient or a homunculus? Is that like, you know what I'm talking about? You cut out slightly the road. And when you say that, you make me think of a homunculus, or a grailion,

16:09because the way you're describing the head is, or is it different, was it like this way, like you were coming out the back, or on the back? It was coming out long at the back. It wasn't long here, long skull, but the proportions of a grail do look out of human proportion, don't they? They look kind of scraggly to some regard. And that's how the long-scaled people would have looked. They would have looked their bodies wouldn't have seen to fit their heads. And we have a head, one eighth of our body size. There's was one tenth of their body size. So that's the difference. And I have found some very unusual skulls, besides the long-scaled as well. Have you heard of Lloyd Pie's star child? Yeah, yeah. It was a big thing on Lloyd Pie, yeah. Me too. Well, in one description of a report that was misfiled at the National Monument Record Office, described a skeleton with a skull sounding very similar to Lloyd Pie's star child.

17:11So I got in touch with Dr. Ted Robinson who worked alongside Lloyd Pie as the physician doctor. And gave him the report and said, is this similar? And he said, yes, it does sound very similar. Now here's the thing that was with this report that I discovered. It had a tail this being. So it had a similar description of a skull to the Lloyd Pie star child, but the skeleton had the tail. And it kind of really freaked the early archaeologists. We call them antiquarians, and they suddenly stopped and put the burials back. So that's a very unusual skull that was discovered. Wow, I wonder what kind of being would have a tail like that. That's a, that's fascinating. You know, I said, I said to Ted Robinson because I went down every root roll. I didn't go down an alien route. I went also down a disabled human being's root to get to the holistic truth.

18:13So I put to Ted Robinson, like I said, he worked with Lloyd Pie. Could this have been somebody that suffered from spina bifida? And they have a displaced, you know, end of the spine, so to speak. And he ruled that out. Not mean he ruled that out. And he's the doctor. And so it is an anomaly. But here's the thing. That is they were on the access line to Stonehenge that burial. And normally the ancients in the Neolithic, that's the era that skull was found in, would put the body in a flex position, hide up in the fetal position. But this burial had long-scaled people with this being in the centre. No other burial in the British Isles has ever been described like that. So that's what makes it very, very unusual. So that's what makes it very unusual. Yeah. So what do you think these people from the Neolithic culture were doing with their intentions with Stonehenge?

19:13Do you think, I mean, because we know it's astrologically aligned, right? So like, what do you think they were, do you think they were trying to tap and do certain harmonic or frequencies or something like that? Absolutely. Stonehenge is multifaceted. It doesn't just do one thing. So yes, it has an astronomical lunar side to it, a solar side to it, a celestial alignment to it. But more than that, if we look back to the early manuscripts written in the 12th century by somebody called Geoffrey of Monmouth, he wrote the histories of the kings of England. It was like a history book that was handed down from centuries before. And he claimed that every single stone at Stonehenge was known to have healing power. And people used to go there from far and wide to experience the healing energies. So that's one side of Stonehenge.

20:13In fact, currently, Professor Tim Deville and the late Geoffrey Wainwright, they're very famous Stonehenge archaeologists. They too say it was a healing temple. Also, you can program Stone. And it was Dr. Don Robbins, who suggested that Stonehenge could have been encoded to have almost like an image that it could manifest due to its energies there. So I also think it was like an oracle temple where you could ask questions and get an oracle back, a bit like Delphi. And the priesthood there would have been a strong part just like Delphi. So I think it was for healing. It was for an oracle center. And also, what I decoded about Stonehenge was that the diameters of the inner stone circles and there's six circles, circular features that make up Stonehenge, all equated to earth energy,

21:13that all equated to musical harmonics. So imagine you're stood at Stonehenge in between the massive, lintled stone circle, and the blue stone circle. That interval in between, that gap in between those two circles equates to the major third in music, and mathematics. And what would that do? Christians still use that in confedials to heighten your consciousness on an emotional level. It's called the major third, five over four, in a mathematical ratio. So depending where you stood in Stonehenge, you might have a different experience. About the energies that's associated with that particular area. That's why I say it's not one thing. Do you see what I mean? You could go to another part and it would have another mathematical musical ratio, and so on and so forth. So it was really a temple lost to time that has numerous different aspects.

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23:18And I was just going to say, how do you think we've fallen so far from grace with this stuff? What do you think that there have been like cataclysm that have happened that have wiped out the knowledge of this or do you think they just didn't keep good records or do you think that it happened so long ago that maybe records were lost or what are your thoughts on that? That's an excellent question and in reply to that, there was after the end of the Bronze Age. So we're in roundabout now orthodox dating, 1,100 BC. Okay, so imagine people are gathering at Stonehenge and then suddenly it's 1,100 BC and due to a volcano going off in Iceland called Mount Keckler, Gateway to Hell. That's what it's still full of today. That exploded, sending huge amounts of ash up. It caused a nuclear winter and then people left Stonehenge and they didn't build stone circles

24:18thereafter. That was the end of the mega-lific culture. This is what I think happened. The knowledge of all of this to do with Earth Energy's astronomy advanced mathematics went to the druids. The druids were a bardic tradition. They didn't write things down. They were a druidry learnt by wrote, you know, being repeating all different historical texts and formulas and things. Then that got handed down to the Templars which handed down then to the Mason's and then it became secretive. Because the Mason's lay their churches and lodges out exactly like Stonehenge. They incorporate all the same energies. So I think it became very the chosen few to know about this. Something like the mystery schools in Egypt. Maybe this version of it over in where you are.

25:18Absolutely. Even mystery schools now like the hermetic world of the golden daughter, the proper ones rather than the online ones that have those names. They know all about Earth energies and how to lay a temple out. Because if you don't have the living breathe and sentient Earth energies it's just a dead building. And we know that we can go into modern day churches. And they don't feel that like they've got any energy and people recognize this. Whereas if you go back inside, we know that these places have healing energy. We know they can change our consciousness whether that's the pyramids of ancient Egypt, Stonehenge or other stone circles that grace the British Isles of which there are stone circles. Well, that's fascinating. You know, that reminds me of, you know, I've had Michael Tellinger on my show. And I know he does those stone circle tours over in South Africa

26:18where they're supposedly healing as well. It makes me wonder, who was this race of beings that put these things all over the world? Do you feel like it was a certain group or do you think it was different groups compared to different regions? For example, like, you know, the legend in Samaria is the Anunnaki. Whereas the legend where you are is a little bit different. Or do you think all these groups might have been related somewhere? And do you think the world was much more connected? Sorry, that's a lot there. But it's interesting. I get what you say. You're good questions. I was Michael Tellinger's guide for Stonehenge and A3. He's on Adams Calendar in South Africa. But I did show him a lot of dalsine energies. The thing is really with it was like a cultural identity of knowledge. So if we think that it's a bit like

27:18your talk mathematics in America, I'm talk mathematics in England is the same kind of formula and that's the cultural backdrop of these people. Now, I think that some of them stemmed from an ancient civilization such as Atlantis. Because if we look to Plato and other writers such as Lewis Spence that focused on Atlantis, they built pyramids. They had long skulls, he claims. And they were very masters of nature of magic. And then you have a lot of that going on in the mystery scores in Droudreet here today. So I think he was a cultural backdrop of knowledge. Because if you look to the pyramids and you look to Stonehenge, they are very similar in the designs. And as I pointed out to tellinger and many, many others besides everything has a similar formula. And once we know that formula, for example, every single ancient site near enough

28:18at major one worldwide, set above two aquifos. One is groundwater that falls from the sky. The deep aquifer that is water born within the womb of Gaia from the rocks inside. That's why I predict all rock planets in space will have water. Because I'm an esoteric water diviner. And that's how it's been explained to me many years ago. In each one of these patterns generates a different type of energy from a spiral to a circle. And that's why we have stone circles. They're following that circular emission from the ground and place and stand in stone upon them. That's why we have the circular shape, for instance. That's fascinating. So let me ask you this. You doused. Have you ever doused Stonehenge? Would you have a reason to? And then like, what all can you do with that? Because here's my limited experience with dousing.

29:18I was a big fan of the art bell show as you see out of picture from behind me. But she was, she was an early douser back then. And she would, uh, when they were trying to buy a property, she would, uh, she would douse the area to find out if there was water there. So like, but are there different things you can do with dousing also? And like, um, yeah. So I'd love to hear about that. That'd be interesting. Absolutely. I mean, yes, you can find water very easily, but you can find all different types of earth energies grid systems. Some earth energies are life enhancing their healing. And that's why Stone sir calls incorporate healing energies. But there's also earth energies that are toxic and not good to live above and can induce ill health. So when you decode the land, you could decode it for water, positive grid lines, negative grid lines, earth currents, geospirals. I could have a whole list now. You see what I mean of all things you know, a whole area.

30:19Yeah, so I was going to say a lot of, my friends, I have a lot of friends who are like energy workers who do grid, they said they do grid work. So it was dousing like an early form of grid work. What people are calling grid work now? No, that's a very Americanism. Um, but for example, uh, in the 1950s, Dr Ernest Hartman and Dr. Manford Curry, they discovered global grid systems. Uh, the curry nets that is often cord is generated by the, the earth's magnetic core, it's believed. And these were physicians that were looking into the art of placement. Why does somebody get ill in one particular house? Now, energy travels too fast along a straight line. It's very line of least resistance. So the Chinese and many ancient cultures thought the grid lines were very negative. And then when we look to ancient China, their roofs abode. Aren't they? In traditional Chinese buildings,

31:19the roofs abode. That's to allow Chi to slow down. Goes too fast along a straight line. So they discovered these grids back in the 50s. They realized they were negative on blood serum. They would cause a lot of idea what's called geopathic stress. And so they looked to areas where to place your bed that was more harmonic. So I'm talking about grids one of which is generated by the earth. The curry and the heartman is believed to be generated way, way up in the ionosphere in the Van Allen belts. Yeah, which can go up thousands of miles. So you've got a grid that comes down from the earth called the heartman grid. And you've got a grid that comes up from the earth called the curry net. All of which have been investigated thoroughly by qualified doctors. That's interesting. Wow, that's interesting. So you've done a lot of research on other megalithics. Oh, I wanted to get before we get

32:19another megalithic sites. I wanted to get into you talk about like legends of the day. How is that what is that woven into this story of Stonehenge and and and you're the legends of your country somehow? Yes, me, for example, in the written documents coming from Ireland, Celtic lands, you have some supernatural beings called the two Arthur Day Dan Am. And they were had superpowers and you know like paranormal activity. And they were said to have lost a battle. This is the legend. They lost a battle with the two Arthur Day Dan Am. And then they descended into the mountains. Now what was going on in the world for example? And I believe across other parts of Europe as well. It's not exclusively British that the nearly think were the short, long-scaled people,

33:19failite. And then migrating across Europe, the DNA has just recently been released, whether they're buried people, what archaeologists called the beaker culture, yeah. Now they had a battle. We know I know they had a battle in the Stonehenge area because you find people in the long mountains that were beheaded, whole male populations of fighting age all killed by the aggressor, which was these much taller people. And so they lost a battle. And they were found in the mountains. So they did, like the myths say, into the mountains. But in the DNA that has been tested from some of the neo-luster to the Bronze like I say, very tall beaker people, they didn't mix these two different cultures or races for 500 years. Then there was a tipping point

34:19and they started into Marion. That's why we have lost by 2,480 BC. In fact, the all of the DNA from the long-scale people. So imagine you're in America and you've got two different cultures that didn't even communicate for 500 years. That's mysterious. Why was that? It's quite fascinating when we look into these ancient cultures because more questions arise than answers are told. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I'll come back up. We know you'll always find ways to look out for the people you love. And with Amika Life Insurance, we'll help build a plan to make sure you always can. We're here to help protect the life you've built. Really? Amika. Empathy is our best policy. Visit Amika.com

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36:19This is what I'm kind of remembering this from my interview with him. But like, I know everybody has different opinions. And, you know, so I just love to get your idea. Have you ever looked into those megaliths that are over in Scotland? Absolutely. I mean, that's on my doorstep. And the DNA has been released by Professor Ian Barnes. And, you know, I really love all the way out there. The top of Scotland as that it was mainly the women that had long skulls naturally be extended there with cranial deformation. Maybe to look like a gods. But their DNA suggests very strongly that originally they came from the Russian steps and gradually migrated over. So we do know where they came from through DNA in Barnes is all being released now. So I would say that if we're going

37:19by fact rather than what we are thinking and projecting on to ancient sites, then it's really interesting that it's been a long journey across Europe. But they definitely practice cranial deformation for the elites in the ancient world here as well in England. So you would have a natural way to extend there's even more because once you use boards on the head to compress you have two scars down here that are really easy to identify. And it seems like the same practices here in the ancient British Isles were the same as in ancient Egypt in the old kingdom and the dynastic period where you had what's called a retainer burial. And retainer burial is when you went in, the wife went in when the Pharaoh died. Exactly the same time span as ancient Egypt. You had retainer burials here was one of my

38:19discoveries that is now being archeologically accepted. Okay. So some of my finds now are being very, very widely accepted. So we know that there was more links with the ancient Egyptian culture. That doesn't mean the ancient Egyptians were there. So we have ancient British DNA. Now in the Orkney's it was ancient British DNA but derived thousands of years ago from the Russian steps. So there the Orkney DNA is quite unique and like I say it was wiped out in 2,480 BC. That's really quite fascinating that we now understand our own culture a little bit better. So I would say it's an interesting idea but I think that when you base it in the end of fact that's equally is interesting. And again opens up more questions.

39:19Yeah I'd love to know who these people were. Because when I talked to Freddie he mentioned that too. I can't remember how he said he said that they were from like the Ukraine type area. Like he mentioned that they were from the Ukraine and they were over in Scotland and he was tying it to the end of Naki but like again I don't know. They're long skulled short people and if you say the end of Naki are the really tall beans and that's incorrect because we have the femur bones. We have the skeletons to have a look at. Now that's the DNA. But the DNA became the ancient British language. I'm the only alternative historian that's measured the bones. Nobody else has had access because I studied Oxford University and that opens up. I can't just go into a museum and say I want to handle a femur bone. They

40:19human remains. The Native American rights. You've got all of these different things to go down and they were measured with these long skulls that I've described. I've seen them and measured them and they were unique and they died out in 2500 BC and were replaced by European DNA. So I find that really interesting that the all of the ancient British DNA was eradicated by 2480 BC as professor Ian Barnes has noted. And this way we can extract DNA from anything now. We really, really can. And you can really study it and you can study artifacts much, much better now than you could just five years ago. So the archaeological theories are changing rapidly. Do you see what I mean with new technologies that come in?

41:19One new technology, for example, that's replaced carbon-14 dating, which is problematic. This is a OSL. And that's optically stimulated luminescence. If you imagine you've got an old surface level, and you've got a stone there. You can send down a probe to the old surface level and discover when was the last time that had daylight on it. And then you can date through that last bit of sunlight. So I mean because you've got layers that grow up. You have to go down a meter. Yeah. And sometimes, oh, you don't do meters. Sometimes like four or five feet just to get to the Roman period that we call it in archaeology, the old surface level. Yeah. And so we've got these fascinating new cultures. I've just been trained in LIDAR. I can interpret LIDAR now because that's being used. And LIDAR is when you scan an

42:19area and it could be the area where you can go through trees, it can go through sand and it can find all lost cities. And we're using that now to discover the British islands. Like I said, I've recently qualified in that. And so I can date things from LIDAR. And also, I'm alternative. You know, I'm not just into straight archaeology. Of course, I'm not. I'm promoting there the long-skilled people. But I could tell you if it was going on, what the archaeologists won't tell you. And that's what I think is going to be the way forward for our community is to use the same technology but in a different narrative. Yeah. Speaking of you of Oak crashes, I got to talk to Mark Oli. He's from your country. He did a big special on Europe's Roswell. You know, I guess you guys had your own Roswell type of

43:19end over there, which is Mark seems to think it's pretty provable. Have you ever looked into this? Do you know what I'm talking about? We call the Roswell, if we were to on the same page with Mark Rendlesham, the Rendlesham incident. And the Rendlesham incident was where Colonel Oli, this is where we housed our nuclear weapons back in the Cold War of the 80s. Yeah. And there was, it was all being recorded by Colonel Hawley, two of you at home and basically, and we're describing it on an old fast. Oh, you cut out. Take recordings. I see this is the 80s. Now, Miles Johnston, you cut out for a second. Oh, sorry. Yeah, and I was saying that, you know, that's the Rendlesham incident, which was led by Colonel Hawley. And we have a UFO trail in that forest. Now, I'm leading a tour

44:19with the Bases project in May the 25th and the 26th through Rendlesham. But the narrative goes back much earlier to the Second World War there. And the incident that everybody talks about this in the 80s, according to some researchers, goes back decades before that. That's hardly written about in the UFO community. So I'm going to go there with a UFO expert. I'll be doing the Dowson of the site. And looking at, you know, the historical records. And we're going to be leading a tour around Rendlesham to try and uncover even more, more mysteries there. Yeah, I find it interesting that we had, we had a base over there at the time of the incident too, right? Because it was there, at least some US Air Force personnel over there because I know that. John Burrows, I know he was on the Yard Bell show talking about it

45:19and we're trying to think of the other guy. Gary Hessel time it might be. Yeah, I knew there was John Burrows and someone else, they were both on Art Bell and they talked about Rendlesham. It's a fascinating case. You know, it really is with the binary code they found and everything was a binary code instant that was, you know, derived from the the Rendlesham incident. I went to one of those coordinates with down a dry river bed in Sedona where it's the point where the Native American culture there, they come from the bottom of the earth. It's called one of their emergence points where they came from the underworld and they emerged as their culture. So that was one of the coordinates but it wasn't just bent waters and Rendlesham, for instance, that was the American bases. You had more American bases across England at that time during the Cold War, for example,

46:19like Fairford, which is in this part of the world and is still partly an American base now. So you have to kind of realize that there were those nuclear weapons were being stored. So there were two very close American air bases that was on a significant energy line as well that is associated to ancient sites at Sutton. Oh, so just by Rendlesham, what most people don't realize is you've got massive mountains where people were celebrating thousands of years before that site. Wherever you've been, I did a program with the UFO Hunters. And it's called Vortexes. And were they pointed out, wherever you get an ancient site, you get a Vortex and other things besides, and you also get military presence. And I've always pointed out about

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48:19play social casino. It's SpinQuest.com for more details. What National Geographical won't show you is the opposite view of Stonehenge, which is Lockhill and Unition Center, where they keep bombs. And that's only about a mile away from Stonehenge. They always show you that shot. Do you see what it means? And when I take people like Brian Forrester and other people who are popular at Stonehenge Guide because nobody knows Stonehenge like me, I take them through we call it area 51 because it's a bit like in Nevada, Dreamtime, or Dreamland. It's owned by the military. So imagine just outside the Stonehenge by half a mile is owned by the military. And sometimes you have a no-go flags up, which means you can't go onto the source, be playing. Where are all the interesting burials in the military section

49:19of the source, be playing. Where join the dots as we say over here. A good question about that. Do you feel like a lot of military bases or or churches, even like or want to build their buildings on mystical sites? Is it something about harnessing that energy? I know I've heard that about churches, but I've never asked that about military sites. I've heard churches are built on ley lines and stuff like that, but you know, do you feel the same could be done with military? Do you think the same is being done with military bases? Okay, if you use the five plutonian solids, like the tetrahedron, the two, the two that I know. And you project that onto the world. Okay, so let's put a cube of play on the world. And then you put in the coordinates of like stonehenge,

50:19the pyramids, whatever. You can watch called vector. And that will create a grid of all of that kind of plutonian solid. And if it's meaningful, it's going to have all ancient sites at the nodal points. Do you see what I mean? It will become a meaningful grid. Not all of the coordinates will have a meaningful grid. And of that, it's used today. And you have secondary and major lay lines. That's from the plutonian solid. On our on a Facebook group, which is now no longer, we put in the vector using a tetrahedron grid. I thought the fire or Pentagon grid, I can't remember which one it was now, to be honest, but we put in every single military known base on Google Earth. And guess what? We have their own grid that they're using, which is on the same principles as the ancients, but not their grid,

51:20within five minutes that got taken down by Facebook. Yeah. And all the links do it because we just did it for an exercise. Do you see what I mean? We didn't know if it was going to come up with anything. We thought in all probability it might be a part of a grid, and this is a part of the majority of the grid, which is over a size. On major, what we call the primary lines of that plutonian grid system. They're the most powerful of them all rather than just lay lines. But just to talk about lay lines for an American audience, we go one step further than your culture. If I may be so bold. And we say that you get a major just it that's not that powerful but a lay system is so what's a lay system you've got a lay line going up and you've got two earth currents in twine in it one is male and one is female and that's like a producers pattern it's like a strand of

52:23DNA when you have that that's what the ancients were looking for the most so you don't just get sights along a lay line you get them on the earth currents that in twine it and the earth currents are never more than five to ten miles away from the mother line and I pointed out to the early master dialysis that we investigate in this system in the eighties I think the lay line controls the two earth currents so in this area for example you've got a three-inch the world's largest stone circle it's on the faint Michael Layla at the exact center of that lay line and all the earth currents they're in twine in it on the Michael line you have all churches dedicated to say Michael and on the female current you have all the church is dedicated to the Virgin Mary mother Mary and Mary Magdalene so they were called Mary and Michael those earth currents and there's numerous different systems like that so I've looked into American

53:26systems and I looked at Charco Canyon near four corners in New Mexico it was one of your most spectacular ancient sites because originally it was four stories high and had eight hundred and fifty rooms in it perfectly built on what's called the Great North Road well if we and it's a straight line going up from Charco Canyon for Pebble Bonito near there and it's straight so what's that we could say that's a lay line so and out surrounding that you have two earth currents as well and I'll be visiting Charco Canyon with a bouncing group on August the late August the last weekend in August after my presentation on Gaia so you have a very similar thing in the United States where the ancients were looking to place all of their great houses which today have been reinterpreted as temples they used to call the early American archaeologists

54:32although great houses now they say no their temples where they had you know Catal was being imported to Charco Canyon and they were having you know to ceremonial usage for example so yes we call lay systems the power in the land a lay by itself isn't as powerful that's fascinating well we've been going about 55 minutes I know we don't have a lot of time today because it's the holiday I just wanted to ask you is there anything that you'd like to cover that you think that we have do you think it's important that we haven't went over yet we still have a couple minutes and I figured I'd just give you the floor and let you you know wherever you would like to go with that yes I mean we'll return to Stonehenge because we all think we're familiar with Stonehenge because we see photographs of it is iconic you picture it just when you say the word Stonehenge but I did notice that some of the stones were missing and I tracked down one old to stone because originally there was two that had been

55:33stolen by Royal decree by King James the first who was the first to dig at Stonehenge prior to that there was no record nobody had dug there he was the king of England you can do what he liked you know wherever wherever he was and they stole the stone and they even said in the archaeological record where they took it they carted it away because you're forcing cart so it was the term you got carted it away to St James's palace in London or what's significant about St James's palace is it preceded Buckingham Palace so imagine no Buckingham Palace you had St James's palace in London that's where all the royal residents were and eventually they went to Buckingham Palace when that got built so we could have potentially one stone at Stonehenge one of the most healing stones above a very healing earth energy pattern that's in in the land and it's it's in London and I asked for that to be returned it was looked for up until 1913 by an archaeologist a top archaeologist who had the royal door

56:39slammed in his face and since then nobody apart from me have asked where is it wow that's fascinating this is all such fascinating stuff wow I'm trying to think if I have any other questions for you I think that's it I'd love to have you back on again when we have more time we can get more and deep into stuff you know this is this was fascinating this will be a great show today I'm going to put it out today you know yeah sure thank you do you want to tell everybody where they can find you and and how they can get your books and the newest book on Stonehenge and all that yes my latest book the secret history of Stonehenge has actually been blocked by Amazon and it's been blocked by English heritage and it's been blocked by the National Trust here in my country so it's available on my websites one of my websites is called the a3 a-b-e-b-u-r-y the a3 experience dot-c-o dot-u-k my teaching platform is esoteric college dot-com where

57:46you can learn downspin and many other subjects if you can't remember all that go to my landing page merrily dot-u-k because I'm a Brit and that will take you to all of my websites and every single one of my website will take you to another so Maria Wheatley dot-u-k or esoteric college dot-com I accept to ask you real quick before we finish on why is the Amazon block in your book like what's what's got is it's just because it's again it goes against the grain well they are lying they are saying it's out of stock out of print and it isn't there's you know a lot of copies available they forced me into a particular program called the Advantage program which should be called the disadvantage program and where they wanted and demanded 60% of my profit base and they would ask me to pay for postage and packaging it was a bit like what Rob pointed out Rob even the mob only took 35% yeah yeah they are they and I think it's

58:53is come from where I'm saying in this book about the royal family and stones that's when trouble started happening I wrote for English Heritage Stonehenge shop for 10 years I've had publications there one with of this book they close all my accounts down and say I'm not allowed to sell at that shop ever again so you know you have to start joining the dots when people start telling the truth that's when you become a ripple shaker yeah I agree I agree it's yeah it's we live in a corrupt society we live in like upside down world it's it's crazy here this realm you know whatever this is like you know which I'd love to get into you another time we can get into like what exactly is this I mean like and we can get into the people but that are pulling the strings here you know like maybe we could get into that next time absolutely absolutely Rob it's been a pleasure thank you for having me on your show and asking some really

59:56great questions that really get some good answers yeah and I hope you have enjoyed your holiday and thank you so much for meeting with me early today and I had it was a pleasure thank you so much yeah you're welcome Rob thank you all right take care have a good day at Amika Insurance your time and peace of mind matter bundle your auto and home coverage with us and enjoy savings that make life a little easier as a mutual insurance company we're built for our customers we prioritize your needs and are here for you when you need us Amika empathy is our best policy visit amika.com and get a quote today I'm here with spinquest where you can play and win from the comfort of your own home with hundreds of slot games and all of the table games you love with real cash prizes right now thirty dollar coin packs are on sale for ten dollars for new users it's all at spinquest.com

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