Don’t Act Your Age: The Habits That Shape Your Future

0:00Hello, welcome to the Bounce Backbetter podcast, Crike You and for a treat today. I am going to be talking to somebody who has the secret to life. This is my first male guest. Yes, I know, we've kept it strictly female until now, but the world is a changing place and Lee, who I'm speaking with today, has the secret because it's not a secret. We all know the answer on most of us do. Well, in fact, I know he's on TikTok right now and people are finding out that they don't know the secret. But Lee is going to open your mind to what's possible for living a longer, healthier life. Let's jump on into the next episode. Hello, and welcome back to the podcast, Crike. As I said, you are in for a big treat. I have got Lee Outer with me today and a leaf flower in the background. But anyway, I've got Lee Outer. Now Lee has the secret to longevity and health.

1:00And you don't want to be living a longer life if you're living a longer life, unhealthy. You want to be able to have energy and you want to have a happier life. So he has the secret. He's written a couple of books. We're going to unpack all that. But before we get started, I'm going to read Lee's bio. So Lee is a fit 82-year-old and former all-round sports person, physical education teacher, life coach, columnist and author of two popular health books. Yes, there's more to come. He's on a mission to both walk the talk and talk the talk with as many people as possible about their health and fitness. So we know he's in the right place. And as a former rest home owner and founder of Eat for Keeps the Program which helped thousands of people with weight and diabetes issues, he has well qualified for and passionate about people to increase the number of years that they live in good health. Oh my goodness, is that not the key? He also tries to act like someone who's 20 years younger than himself. And I would actually, that's what he gave me to read. And I'm saying no way. He tries to act like someone 40 years younger than himself

2:02and why not? And he succeeds at this most of the time. That's Lee's bio, but let's jump into chatting with Lee about how you get to live a happier, healthier life. Lee, thank you so much for agreeing to come on this today because I know you have so much to offer. Even as I say this, I get goosebumps. I've worked with Lee in the past. We both have a passion for people being healthier. So Lee, I don't even know where to start with you. I'm gonna let you kick off with Go. Okay. Well, Hillary, if I went back about 14 years, so I'm living at the Mount, Mount Longandoe and climbing the Mount every second day and playing golf and tennis and socializing, she's life was fantastic. And so I thought really, that probably thought back then that I was kind of immortal, you know? And so then in one particular week, my doctor said to me, my long suffering doctor said to me,

3:02luckily you have to go on these this blood pressure medication, right? It's the one thing that could trip you up. And he said, look and while you're doing it, that inwardly you've got is not gonna get any better. You're gonna need to get that operated on and you better stop doing chin-ups on the park and showing off. You're nearly 70, you know? So, and then to cap it all off, I'd had a colonoscopy the week before and I had a ring from the surgeon, he said, look please, he said you've got this pre-cancerous thing in your bowel and he said, I'm recommending, I take a quarter of your bowel out. So, you know, from going from, you know, the tennis and the drinking and having a great time, that my life's at risk. So that was a period of time. Obviously came through it or things worked out, worked out really well. But I really had to think about what I wanted my rest of my life to be like and I'd never even thought about it before because after all, I was immortal, you know? And so what I thought was, I hated the idea of actually crying old, you know?

4:06And in firm, so I thought I'm gonna live like someone who's 20 years younger. And you know, I've done this. Yeah, and you know, it's been a great focus for me and look, a great challenge. Sometimes I think, oh my God, you're silly of fellow, you know? But most of the time, it's working well, look at who I sort of kick around with, the way I talk, the way I move. It's just the way I think as well. You know, I like to think being outward and open about things. So yeah, that's worked really well for me. So, so in my lifestyle now, I don't recommend this to everybody because I exercise several times a day, but I'm kind of hardwired for it. You know, this is who I am. I'm an ex physical education teacher. So I'm going, walking up and down the hills here in Devonport, Auckland. We were lucky here. I got out there again, North Head. Then I might play nine holes a golf in the afternoon

5:07and I'd go for another walk on other days where I'm not playing golf, still play a little bit of tennis, do a lot of stretching. You know, all the sporting injuries over the years, I've collected heaps of exercise from all the different physios. So I've kind of kept them up. 50 press ups a day and I go to the gym or work out with a stretchy band at home, doing resistance exercises. Look, you know, these are the things you've just got to do. If you want to have a healthy weight in life, you know. You know what I hear you saying, Lee, and you might have seen me? I have a heart because I so agree with you. What you had, what I call a BFO, your blinding flash of what is really the obvious at age 17. But realistically, you're listening today. You know you're overweight. You know you've got way too much stress in your life. You know you're not getting enough sleep. You know you're not exercising enough. You know you're not eating properly. There are so many things that you know you're not doing and yet you see them as a giant mountain

6:08and you're going to wait until you get a wake up call, which luckily Lee's was only a chat from the doctor. He didn't end up having the heart attack or the hernia exploding or it didn't get to that point before he made the necessary change. And it is just vital that we realize that our health is our wealth and that earlier we start looking after it, the better life that we live and have, the more energy, we get to act the age we want, whether that's 20 years younger or 40 years younger, I 100% agree Lee. So from there, like what was the lifestyle changes that you know that you took, that you know the listener must take and at what age do people need to start making these changes? Yeah, well I think, you know, to answer that question, I reckon the one thing that I've learned recently in researching my new book, is that people in many people are in denial of death

7:10and that's an actual thing. It's a book written by a guy by the name of Joseph Becker back in the 70s, it's quite a famous book called denial of death. With people, yeah, they're going through life like I was and you know, things are going along quite nicely but then you start overlooking some of these things because you actually, you've got no thought of your final days, you've got no thought that you're actually going to die. It's like I reckon one of the real key things for people is actually being able to look ahead and get a vision of what your life's going to be and acknowledge that you're going to die, you know? And then I think people can get to that point and then from there get a bit of a vision about, you know, what they want, they want their future health to look like. That is a massive shift and then from there, go alright, I need to become a bit more self aware of my body, you know? It's served me well to now, to now, but I've only got this one body.

8:13I've only got this one opportunity on planet Earth. So I reckon it's these things being able to really think about how you want the rest of your life to play out. You know, you start thinking about retirement. So Kate and I, we've been up north recently. So we've got six kids between us. By the end of the year, there'll be five or six will be in their sixties, which is pretty scary. And some of them are showing signs of wear and tear. But, you know, one of the great things for me, so we're with us some great twins, great grandchildren last week. And here Kate and I rolling round on the floor with them. Okay, so when I'm presenting, I often ask the audience, and some of these audiences in the seventies and eighties, how many of you can safely get down and up off the ground? Look, it's pretty scary because I'm quite often only a few hands go up. So that's, you know, we're going to retain flexibility

9:17and the ability to do a lot of the basic things and get out in and out of a car, you know, easily. Yeah, so look, just this basic thing about being able to get down and up off the ground is just huge, really. And it's so sad when people lose that. I mean, imagine if you can't get down and up off the ground, the fear of falling, because once you're down, when you guys can't, you're not able to get up. So, you know, you're most important relationship in your life, really, is a relationship that you have with your body. You're only going to get one of them. Don't take it for granted. So, my advice to people is learn as much as you can about how your body works and what your body needs, and then start giving it some priority. So, you brush your teeth every day, don't you? We do brush our teeth every day, and that's just a habit that's given to us when we're younger by our parents, but our parents or our school, nobody is saying,

10:20hey, this machine that this vessel you have has got to get you right through to when you're no longer here. And you can't leave it to the end to start fixing it. You can't leave it till it's a rusted old machine to start making it better. What you need to do is start looking after that vehicle now from the beginning, just like brushing your teeth, 100% agreeley. And so, most people listening to this podcast, I'm think the average age is probably 40 to 55 would be average age, maybe. So, and predominantly, and for those who are older than that, I think you're young, so there you go. How good is that? You're acting, you're acting your age, which is perfect, which we'll get to because that's Lee's book. But, so you need to start making those changes now, and I think what's key to what Lee brings to the world is you don't have to make it dramatic. You just have to start and make small things, don't you Lee? So, what, you know, if somebody listening now, what is one key takeaway, no matter what age that you need to be doing, like, you know,

11:21I know you've got five or six, like, give me the, the probably your top one. Okay, so my top one really would be, you know, to really stay physically fit. Now, what, what that means, if you're gonna do well with your physical abilities as your age, you need to be really proficient in all five of the key elements. So, the five key elements are balance, agility, fitness, which is cardio, fitness, flexibility and strength. So, I've just called a new acronym there, and I call those the best. So, I say to people, look, if you can be reasonably proficient in balance, agility, your fitness, your flexibility and strength, you're just gonna do really well in all that. So, that's a bit like the marathon runner who lacks flexibility, or the marathon runner who's, who's, who's muscularity has dropped right off. Yeah, you know, that's gonna be a really serious failing as you grow old, yeah. So, that would be my one takeaway,

12:22try and stay proficient in all those and all those five. Yeah, probably top priorities at my age are strength chaining, and I'm trying to add flexibility in there. I used to be so flexible, the head Pilates studios, but a lot of my flexibility has just gone, and that's what happens. It's, you know, it's an old saying, but use it or lose it. And so, what you're saying is just jolly will use it, and it doesn't have to be at the extreme of two sessions a day. Well, what could somebody implement to cover all of those in an average week? Okay, so look, let's just run through a couple of simple things. But, look, I think one of the great principles that I've added to this new book is Atomic Habits. You familiar with Atomic Habits? Yeah, yeah. So, look, this is nothing new. What it is, we have touched tiny habit to your everyday habits. So, okay, so if I'm brushing the teeth, I can stand on one leg. If I'm micro-having my oats, I can do a head and neck stretch.

13:23So, I've got a four-step head and neck stretch. So, you, I think it's to bring in these new habits. You just attach them to your everyday life. So, when I'm out walking, if I see a line, I walk along the line, because I mean that helps to improve my balance. Sometimes I do a heel-to-toe, a heel-to-toe, along that line, sometimes I walk on curbs. If no one's watching, I'll do a few skips down the road, you know, get my heart rate up. Yeah, look, it's really simple stuff. So, so, if you want to improve your balance, stand on one leg. Do a heel-to-toe, stand on your toes. If you want to improve your agility, stick your spotify in the morning. Why, why, why, are you getting your breakfast together? Have a little boogie around. So, really simple stuff. Have fun doing it. Look, as you grow older, you know, you might play squash twice a week and go to the gym one other one a day over the week. What concerns me as the other four days? All right, so on those other four days, even if you can get yourself lightly puffing three or four times a day, you know,

14:24you might do a few star jumps while you're out walking, you make sure you put some stairs into it, always take the stairs. So, yeah, my way of thinking is, once again, self awareness. Okay, and getting into a routine, you brush your teeth every day. So, if you look for all your body parts to work really well, you need to put them under moderate stress every day. Right, let's move on from there to fitness, we'll have done fitness. So, get yourself puffing lightly three or four times a day. Now, you and I talked about this the other day. Look, strength, your muscles are your metabolic power, how say, and you know it. So, think about this. So, as you get older, your muscles become smaller and weaker. Now, your muscles are responsible for burning up to 70% of your energy every day. So, that's 70% of the glucose you need for energy. Your muscles are gonna burn that. I mean, fat just really hangs around.

15:26So, you imagine if you were losing muscle mass, as you grow older, your ability to burn glucose to malicious. So, you're gonna end up with glucose when you're blind stream, blood sugar levels go up. Glucose, what happens when you're blood stream, like with diabetics, is that it actually lays down plaque. So, from head to toe, you blood vessels are gonna get narrower, which now that's the start of high blood pressure, stroke, heart disease, and so on, diabetes, and abutations. So, yeah, look, really doing some resistance training, getting the muscle groups, getting under some sort of resistance every day for me. Doesn't have to be, doesn't have to be massive. Yeah, I love your concept of just, you know, your little habit stacks where you're, while you're waiting for your oats in the microwave, or while you're doing one thing, just do a little bit of something else. So, I think where people get caught up is, I have to go to the gym for a four hour, I've got a whole yoga class. And I think the minute we put rules around what we need to do,

16:29we start not doing them because I can only do it if it fits inside all of those rules. But what you're saying is, it's at it everywhere, and it absolutely works for people. And especially people who struggle with committing to that one hour of doing stuff, I myself started, because I had the Pilates studios, I taught that for so long, stand on one leg when you're at the kitchen bench, dropping the beaches for dinner. That was just normal. And we lose, it starts at about, I think it's, oh, I can't really remember those debts, but I used to be quite proficient in them. I think it's from 40, we start losing our balance at an alarming rate. And that's because, like you say, we're not working on it. And it's something that we can do so easily by just standing on one leg or other similar stuff, like you were talking about, walk along the line. Look, it's simple stuff. And you've got to find your own way. What I'm saying is not what everybody else is going to do. And the floor of your house, your kitchen bench, there your friends, you can do press ups on the kitchen bench,

17:29the back of a chair, you can do dips from the back of a chair, press ups on the floor, planks, et cetera. And you don't, if you look, if you're starting from scratch, you really just go up there, do your planks off your knees. Do your press ups off your knees. Just find a way to do it. Think of only got this one chance. I've got this one body, all right? So, well, some people, you know, they don't even think about their bodies. And when something goes wrong, they're disappointed with their own body. They haven't stopped to think, well, it's me that's done it, you know? It's impossible. It's impossible. No, hang on, I'm totally responsible. Yeah, absolutely. So, Lee, can we talk about your book? Because I love the title, Don't Act Your Age. Show us the book, what is it called? There it is, Don't Act Your Age. We'll put a link below. So anyone who wants to get themselves a copy, they can. I mean, how good is that? And who's that book, what age group is that for? Who is that book for? Yeah, well, so I reckon really age 40 up, yeah.

18:32And how big thing was what we're doing? We're trying to get a bit of a movement going to raise awareness in this crucial area, you know? Trying to move health span closer to life span so that it's last year's a good value. So, we're looking to make it intergenerational. So, you think of kids, I think of my kids, and I think of, what are they thinking about me? They want to see me do well. They want to see Kate and I do well. Right, so all of our family, for all the generations, we want to see each other doing well. So, this is one of the keys for me. So, starting an age 40, right? Sadly, it's starting to move towards middle age. And that's the time to get prepared to become aware of some of the things you need to do. I mean, you're busy, you've got your families, you know, you're taking your kids to the gymnastics and pilates and all the things that you do, you're busy with your work. Yeah, you know, I mean, every time I'm talking about this stuff, it all comes back to that one thing of having this awareness

19:35of what you want the rest of your life to be like, to have an awareness of what your body needs. Yeah, and always come back to your brush your teeth every day. So, you've got all these other different parts, your body crying out for attention. So, let's talk a little bit about eat for kids. Oh, yeah. Now, this is, I'm pretty passionate about this stuff. So, I work with Lee in New Zealand for a while with the eat for keeps concept when he was launching that program over there. And it is something I always live by. Well, most of the time, it's what's kept me healthy and just feeling better generally. So, Lee, do you want to, yeah, tell us about what eat for keeps us because the two work together, don't act your age, get moving, and there's a few more things in there. I know there's some mindset meaning making sure you've got relationships and keeping you connected to community and having a reason for being. That helps you as you get older. But this all starts with what you're putting in your gobly. So, let's talk about eat for keeps. Okay. So, look, before I forget,

20:36so when we got together under that video of that guy, Jamie, who had lost all the weight and done really well, yeah, the guy, I could see that you were passionate for it. And when you were talking with him, you know, really emphasized with reading well. So, you've had your own battles earlier on. So, could you tell us just briefly about that? Yeah, just bad choices not looking after my body, got myself to close to 100 kilos, way too much sugar Lee. All right, you know, my favourite food was, I had an awful lot of pixie caramel balls. I think they're only available in New Zealand, how good would they? But anyway, just overeating as well. And, you know, close to 100 kilos, just that wake up call time, but it wasn't just a, you know, that was a, if you're looking at self-awareness, that was a relationship, the relationship I had with myself at the time to make myself happy. I would eat something to feel happy. I didn't like myself. I didn't like my life. I didn't, I'd made bad choices. I was a, you know, teenage pregnancy. All of that stuff led me to not liking who I was

21:37and the comfort where I went to was just eat something and that made me feel good. And we all know that a bowl of letters doesn't genuinely make us feel good when we're like that. So I'd reach for bad things. So turning that around and, you know, then I became a nutritionist, but I fully agree with, we just cannot eat sugar. When I see people eating pasta and stuff, I'm always like, I always say like, are you a child? And I don't mean that, it's a little bit cheeky. I mean, on a regular basis. Of course, we can have stuff like that. And there are things we can do to make it better for us, but I just have a way more knowledgeable relationship with food these days. Yeah, that's great. You had your defining moment and you nailed it. All right, which is brilliant. Yeah, so it was quite interesting. I'll go over the, you keep singing a more in a minute. You've seen the stuff I'm doing on TikTok. What have been amazed at this? Stop, stop, stop. You have to go follow Leon TikTok. It's really good. And he's getting a massive following. I'll put a link below for his TikTok account. Don't act out. Yeah, so it's at Don't X Rage.

22:39At Don't At Your Age. Yeah, so look, in one morning, I woke up and was about 100,000 views and 10,000 likes. On a little video, I did on sushi. So I busted up a piece of sushi. All right. And then I, this was called Anatomy of a piece of sushi. I don't know, it was about three minutes long. So I said, all of that nori there and the salmon in the avocado because they're protein and fat. They don't make any teaspoons of sugar after digestion. But I said that, little pile of rice there that makes just over two teaspoons of sugar after digestion. And then of course, I called it out to the audience and said, well, how many pieces of sushi do you have? And of course, some people have four, some people have eight, so eight pieces of sushi, 16, 17, teaspoons of sugar. I see parents buying their children four pieces of sushi, you know, a 35 kilogram, nine-year-old. So the sugar in the glucose is well hidden

23:43in this carbohydrate food. So it's after the digestion that it shows up. So look, I'll talk a little bit about it for keeps. So Kate and I had a rest time. We sold it in 2002 to radius health, moved to the mount where you and I met. So I thought I better do something useful. So I became a life in business coach and started coaching people around all sorts of things, all of a sudden I was coaching most of them around weight and diabetes and other lifestyle things. So I put some resources together and you know what I noticed, Hillary was, was that most people were confused about nutrition. You know, I just talked about that little sushi video. They just didn't understand this basic stuff. So I think my strength was that I could make complex stuff simple and that became eat for keeps. And we had a lot of success. So I started getting rings from local GPs.

24:43And in the end, we worked in about six or eight medical practices there. And look, over the years, we worked in companies with the staff of companies like Fonterra, New World, Norsky Skog, Cutterhold Harvey. Look, we helped thousands of people had books published, which did well. And then so in 2015 to 17, I ran this challenge for medical practices called the Keeps Challenge. So look, we'd have weight loss across the board. Sometimes 30, 40, 50 KGs. Diabetics being able, some of them being able to reduce their insulin, some of them completely off insulin. So you imagine, you're not having to inject insulin anymore. It's a massive thing. Relief from sleep out near pain for neuropathy with that sort of nerve tissues in the lower leg would come right. BP, cholesterol, markers, all improved. Yeah, so... Yeah, it was really, really going well,

25:45then strangely Kate said to me one day, I'm not strangely really. She said, I'd like to go back to live in Vongray, where my girls are. So her three girls are there. So I said, I'll go off we go. Well, I just left it all up in the air. I mean, Eat the Keeps became a passive online program, had no succession plan. So how was that for business, Hillary? Pretty, pretty hopeless, I think. Anyway, so... Not that great, but anyway. I thought, oh, you moved back to Vongray, that's a good idea. Bye-bye everybody. And so we've got a few years later, I live in a retirement village here in Devonport, really fortunate, great place to live. And about three years ago, a number of people found out about my background and they said to me, why don't you buy a book on aging well? So that's kind of what happened. But in writing this new book, with things like the best atomic habits, denial of death, some of the things we already talked about,

26:46I think that the don't act your age challenge, which is a third part of the book, is a massive step up from the Eat the Keeps challenge. So look, we're trying to start a movement where we've got as many people as possible to do the challenge, okay? And I know what the results will be, that many of them will be life-changing. We've got a website on Substack, and I've got about 1200 subscribers at the moment. We need to build that up into a significant audience. Get them talking to each other, get them talking about how they're getting on, sharing ideas, I think if we did that, we could come up with something pretty good. Leade, do you have a Facebook page? Because I know that Substack is not something that everyone's familiar with, but Facebook is. I mean, we'll put the link to Substack, and you can subscribe to Leade's email, which I received this morning, Leigh, thank you. Very knowledge, you know, I'm really, really interesting email. And yeah, do you have a Facebook page as well,

27:47or any other mode of connection, or adjust for your substandard? What I'm going to have to do is really scrub up Hillary. So my Facebook page is Leigh. It's timely. Yes, it's timely. So Leigh is older, writer, and all you can go just to my page, Leigh Elder. So you can find me there on Facebook. What I've been doing is focusing more on Substack. And what I need to do is from Substack, I need to repost everything onto the Twitter account and to Facebook. So what's the space? You're ready to, and you're talking about Substack and Facebook and Twitter. Oh my goodness, there are so many people out there that can barely log into anything. So I think you're just the absolute proof in the pudding of all of this stuff that you talk about about keeping yourself young and it starts now, it starts at 40, you don't wait until it's too late. Yeah, you know, the number 82 going on 83.

28:47Look, it's just a number, really. You know, when you think about it, you've got to candles on your birthday cake. All right, that's your chronological age. The older I get, the scarier it gets. It's your biological age. So the biological age is the overall health of your trillions of your cells in your body. Now look, by making a few simple lifestyle changes, you can actually improve the health of all your body cells. So think about it from here to toe. You're improving your biological health. That means that the rate you're aging at decreases. You actually age more slowly. Yeah, so I don't know what my biological age is. There are blood tests to have that done. I should get that done some time. I've seen people with eat the keeps. Chains is cereal. So chains from cornflakes to rolled oats, change the bread, go from a mighty white to a vocals, start hydrating better.

29:47Be aware that they need to break up long periods of sitting. Three or four changes, they start to lose weight, they're eating more sustaining food, right? So because they're doing that, they've got more energy, they start exercising that vicious circle they were in, reverses out into a positive cycle. Three or four or five changes, stick to them, biological age, improved, powerful stuff. Yeah. The leaders talking about the eat the keeps, and I think it's a really good read and we'll put a link to that below too. It's definitely worth reading to understand just how to make those small changes like you're talking about. But as for myself, when I got to my fifties were probably just before, so that's that hormonal time, get out of bed, and all of a sudden, when I stood up, my ankles hurt. I went to my feet hurt. I found myself limping for no apparent reason, and you gotta remember, I'm still going to the gym, I'm still doing cardio, I'm still exercising

30:49on a regular basis, I'm doing what I believe, I had a reply to his reformer at home, I was doing flexibility core work, all of that. So I was working on that side of things, but what can happen for a lot of women especially, and I don't know how it is for me, and because I'm not one, is when we had a certain age, carbohydrates can actually become acidic to our body. And well, not just that, the impact from that happening is we start aching. And so I actually just went for keto at that point, I thought I did a bit of research, and just thought I'm dropping them out completely, drop them out completely, all aches and pains gone. And so, and I'm not afraid to do stuff like that, I'll give something a try and think, you know, instead of just being moderate about it, I'll go, I'm in, and it made an absolute, massive difference to my health. So that was me, not just being aware, but listening to the vessel, listening to my body going, hang on, and I'm not a huge, like I'm not actually a huge, bad eater or a coward or lollies or anything like that,

31:52I'm just not in my realm of eating, you know, but giving all of that up made a massive difference. So I think that when you start listening, well, listening to your body, but we tend to not listen, we tend to notice things change, we tend to realise we can't reach for that thing or can't do that thing, and then we stop doing it, Lee. Why do we stop? Well, this is the, honestly, I think this is this denial of death thing, seriously. It is definitely a thing, that we haven't got this vision, that boy, one day we're gone. All right, we haven't got the vision of what we wanna, our future have to be like, being able to get down with the great grandchildren on the ground, roll around with them, not be, not be struggling to get down there. So you lose sight, I reckon you lose sight of the vision. You lose sight of that self awareness of your body. You're still brushing your teeth, but yeah, there's the other things drop off. That's why I think the atomic habits principle

32:53is such a taboomer. You know, if you've ingrained these habits, you know, into your everyday life, so you're not changing the flow of your life, then yeah, yeah, they're gonna stick. What's the book here? In the book, there's five stories from, from, you know, really super ages. So, Arch, Jelly, for instance, he used John Walker's coach, the famous Middle-Distance runner. So, Arch is 103, still does about 50 squats a day, and he lives at Green Bay in West Auckland, and that's pretty hilly. So he walks around the air every day, two or three K, he's got a cycle of a cycle in the gym there, which he uses all the time. Yeah, it's remarkable, really. Anybody who saw him would pick him to be in his seventies. He's got great perps in life. He keeps up to date with all the athletes,

33:55and everything going around the world. He's got a terrific interest in people. He was a headmaster too, and he said to me, you know, that he just has this terrific interest in people, and he likes to see people, you know, do well. If what's good about us, Arch is 103, and I'm 20 years younger. So, while he's having his 21st and Jack Dempsey's bar in New York, I'm getting born an hour. So, yeah, you know, it's an inspiration to be able to have written about these people and got to know them. And, you know, the best thing about us, he thinks I'm a young fella. So, yeah, he said about, he said about it. He said about it. And you are, he said about my book. It's an excellent book to inspire, motivate, and help readers to improve their long-term health. So, I was pretty chuffed about that. The book's set up in three parts. So, the first part is to do with matters of lifestyle,

34:59the second part deals with more physical functionality, biological health, and the book culminates in the third part with the updated version of the Eat for Keeps Challenge, which is the don't act your own challenge. And, like I know how effective the Eat for Keeps Challenge was, and I think this is better still. So, I've set the book up in good size, print every chapter's got a set of bullet points there as a summary, so people can have a look at it and say, no, I'll read that later. And full of the stories of these inspiring supervisors and those five of the stories in it, you can't really, really happy with the way this books come out. Yeah, I think what you do well, like you pointed out before you make complex sound easy, and you're, you know, attributing a lot of the practices to the James Claire book. But I think what you do is you also make the tasks that people need to do simple as in standing on one leg

36:02when you're doing something. It's just having that simple awareness of tiny things you can add to your life that will make the biggest changes. It's the one percent, you know, that's another book that I, a story book that I really love. You're making tiny changes and implementing them regularly, not just one at a time. Yeah, I think it's simple things like the people who, so, well, Eat for Keeps itself, just so people understand. So, Eat for Keeps itself is really now morphed into this work that I'm doing, all right? So, Eat for Keeps lives on in the book. So, obviously, there's a section on nutrition, and that's the Eat for Keeps path. But Eat for Keeps itself, the website's been taken down, and my work is taken over that with Eat for Keeps as being a really, really key part of that. So, I'm thinking about Eat for Keeps. So, when people go into a supermarket and they go into the fruit and veggie section, they know they're looking at complex carbohydrates, they know what they're looking for, they know they've got, you know, the broccoli's in the apples, they've got big molecules,

37:04they take a wilder digest, they don't make a lot of glucose, and then they know that the banana, now the banana, pick it up, it's far more squishy, it's gonna digest far more quickly, lots of glucose quickly. Look, the average small banana will produce three and a half teaspoons of sugar after it's digested, and then they move into the baked good section, and they know that the scone is made of about three fifths white flour, and some of these massive scones that we see in the cafes now, 160 grams, gosh, they make 15 or 16 teaspoons of sugar. So, then they move on through the different sections, they go to meat and fish, and they understand they're looking at protein and fat, they make any glucose, more sustaining, and so on. So, yeah, really simple ideas, pictures of people of God, as they move around the supermarket, go into a cafe, look at the cabinet, and have a really good idea of what they need to do. And you know what, it's their choice.

38:06They find their own way, they find their own solutions to all the different challenges. So, that's the life coaching thing. Yeah, in fact, they came from life coaching, Colesette really. I think what people don't realize, Lee, is they think they might see somebody who's skinny, like yourself, or slim, but we talked earlier, so I'm gonna let us say skinny, we talked about it. So, they see somebody who's slim, and they think they're naturally healthy, and it's not the case, but we also know that people that are caring too much weight, that is really impactful on your joints, your health, on so many other areas of your life. And it's just so easy to get the quipfix, the easy stuff at the supermarket, grab something that's bad for you, or at the shop, or you know, you're in a rush, and the concept of just making those small changes, like, actually, I have to share a story. I was down on the goal coast last week, Bob and I went out for dinner, and there were two women next to us having dinner, and they would have been in their early 40s. And I saw them ordering, it was an Italian place,

39:08which I never, never go to Italian places, because I just wouldn't choose to eat pasta, but it was kind of like a really big treat, probably have it twice a year. And they had a pizza entree, okay, I'm not judging, but totally I'm judging. They had a pizza entree, and they both ate a pizza each, like a lot, like an oval shaped pizza, decent size, like not small. And then they both had a pasta main, and they drank a bottle of wine while they were there. We left, and they were ordering dessert, and I just said to Bob, oh my goodness, did you see how much food they ate, and how bad that is? And they were both like larger women, and it's obviously not something they do on a semi-regular basis. You don't get like that overnight, you are that person to get that back. And I've been there before, but we just have to start making better choices, and I thought to myself afterwards, they must feel absolutely terrible, and be so used to feeling that terrible, so used to it that it's normal. Yeah, well, let's see the thing is, that go back to that little sushi TikTok thing.

40:12The number of comments, hundreds of comments, and it was a younger audience, sort of in the most of the 18 to 34, which was great, you know, and they were grateful to know this stuff. So the two ladies there, if they knew that, say, the white flour and the pizza, and the glycemic load of the pasta, and drinking the wine, and they probably did their dessert, gosh, they're man of glucose, that their system's having to deal with now. I'll tell you what, so if they knew what a hassle, their poor little pancreas was having, having to make a mountain of insulin to get that glucose out of their bloodstreams into their various cells in their body, and the chaos it was causing in their liver, and the fact that, probably, that they were unable to clear the glucose out of their bloodstream, excess has been stored as fat. Oh my godly, and then they keep doing it,

41:14that the glucose in the bloodstream lays down plaque. So, you know, I think a lot of what is getting people to have this simple, practical knowledge, okay, and then get this vision about how they wanna go later in life, and then get this self-awareness of how their body works and what it needs. So we're quite excited about the futures. I'm hopeful that quite a well known New Zealand clinical psychologist who's really, really excellent at making psychological stuff simple and practical is going to come on board and help us, and we're looking to do some podcasts. So we're building a team, look, I'm really grateful to day Hilary. It's great that you're taking the time to do this with me, and that we've been able to reconnect and share a lot of the stuff, yeah. So, you know, we're hoping we can really get something going

42:16so I know you'll get something going, 82 years young and still, you know, for fun, acting 40 years younger, with the energy of, you know what, with the energy of somebody 40 years younger, which is, you know, that's what we want, we want the energy, you wanna bring that to life. I'll put some links below, but you can just find out about Lee's program, I think it'd be great for people, and if this is not for you, then it's for somebody you know, and to say, hey, you should check this out. They're doing a challenge, it's like a life challenge, it's not gonna be extreme. We need, we need to get that out there, so we can have more people joining this, so we can all live longer, healthier, happier lives. So Lee, I think we'll wind this one up. Thank you so much, we'll put links below for everyone who wants to find out more about Lee Elder, about his book. Well, give it a few, a few details. So yeah, so don't extra age, living younger, can be age-defying, all right? And in New Zealand, you can,

43:17the best way to purchase this is go online to the underground bookstore, and you'll find it there, if you're in Australia or elsewhere, it's available on Amazon, COVID-19 or any of the others, or you can just contact me if you're in Australia, and I can make sure you get a copy. Yeah, so yeah, thanks again Hillary, it's... Postage is terrible, get it off Amazon. Yeah, yeah. All right, yeah, no worries Lee, thanks so much for talking, and I just really hope it all goes well. Congratulations on another book, and I can't wait to hear what the outcome is of the challenge. Thank you, Hillary. I want to catch you next week, bye for now. Cheers, thank you very much.