DOGE Bro Heist (feat. Sasha Abramsky)

0:00Filming the way on the Camino de Santiago de Compostela was one of the most important and rewarding experiences of my life, and it was by far the most satisfying role of my career. The way was filmed in 2009 over an eight-week schedule and followed the pilgrimage route from Xinjiang peer-to-port in the French Pyrenees across Northern Spain to Santiago, and then on to Mushia for the final scene, and the entire production was a family affair. Those are the opening lines of a story I share and they reflect the very heart of my podcast, and through sharing autobiographical stories and inspired poetry and personal reflections, that is the theme I find myself exploring again and again. But I do so in the hope that it sparks listeners to see how it relates to their own lives and their own story of discovery. So please join me each Sunday for a beautifully crafted 20-minute journey of personal exploration.

1:02I'm proud to announce the Martin Sheen podcast season two. I've often said, if it's not personal, it's impersonal. And that is how I choose to approach my podcast with all its contents, from storytelling to poetry and book selections. Each unique episode is a journey we will share together. I think it's important you know that I have no intention of leaving who I am at the door with this podcast. Anyone who knows me knows I cannot tell a personal story that doesn't have at least some social justice connection at its core. I have my convictions and issues that draw on my empathy and compassion. Frankly, that's what drives and informs my conscience and makes me who I am. How could I bring any less to this endeavor? So tune in Sundays as I invite you to follow, subscribe, and receive notifications about what's next for me, Martin Sheen. Oh, and for more information, please visit theMartinSheenPodcast.com.

2:06And thank you again. M-S-O-W-Media. Hello, and welcome to the Daily Beans for Wednesday, March 11th, 2026. Today, new reports say over 140 US troops have been injured far more than the eight reported by the Pentagon. Iran has begun laying minds in the Strait of Hormuz. The New Mexico Department of Justice is searching Zoro Ranch as part of their investigation into the Epstein matter. A doge, bro, stole your Social Security data by taking it out on a thumb drive. Democrats are suing to force the Department of Homeland Security to say whether it intends to send ice thugs to polling places this November. And two teenage mariachi musicians who played at the White House last year have been freed

3:10from ice custody. I'm Allison Gill. And I'm Dana Goldberg. Hey, everybody, hey, Dana. We made it to the chain of the week. We did. And I made it to national Tennessee. I've got my show tomorrow night and tonight, if you're listening to this on Wednesday morning at Xanies, there's still tickets available. You text me and said, Phil Williams is going to go to the show. I'm so excited to meet Phil, huge fan. And yeah, so if you're even tearing on whether or not to go to Xanies and Nashville to see me, you should probably go just to go stare at Phil Williams, the entire show. Even if you don't hear where I say it, if you were. Yeah. And he texted me and he said, please tell DG, I'm looking forward to our show tomorrow night. Oh, that makes me so happy. So I think that's great. And then I think Tennessee Holler posted about your show on Blue Ski, which is what we're calling it now. Yeah, Blue Ski. Oh, my God. That video. I mean, I just like that, man, for so many reasons. And now it's Blue Ski, which I sort of want to call it Blue Ski.

4:12Yeah. Like when you see blue and sky next to each other, don't you anyway? Yeah. I don't even think Mark Wayne is on Blue Ski. But I might have him blocked, you know, just by my, yeah, I don't know. I definitely don't. I first I heard of him. I guess I wasn't paying attention as when he got named as the replacement. I mean, I'm sorry I've heard him speak, but never realized who it was. Mark Wayne. Or did you see him in that committee hearing when he like threatened to fight one of those? Yes, I did. That was him. You want to go? Let's go. Everyone's like, sitting Senator, shut the fuck up. You're a senator. Oh, man. He stood up out of his chair. Yeah. Well, I just, you know, I, every day, there's a new horror with this administration. There is a new, there is a new horror with the Republican party. Later in the show today, I'm going to be talking with author Sasha Abramski.

5:13You're going to want to definitely listen to that. His book, American Carnage. We've had him on the show before, but we're going to talk about how, you know, doge kind of led to Massey Portation kind of led to this war, this illegal war of choice by Donald Trump. We'll talk all about that later in the show. I'm looking forward to that. All right. We have tons of news. We have to get to today, as you could hear in the introduction. So let's hit the hot notes. Hot notes. All right. First up from CNN, Iran has begun laying minds in the street of Hormuz, the world's most important energy checkpoint that carries about one-fifth of all crude oil, according to two people familiar. The mining is not extensive yet with a few dozen having been laid in recent days according to the sources, but Iran still retains upward of 80 to 90 percent of its small boats and mine layers. That's according to one of the sources. So its forces could feasibly lay hundreds of mines in the waterway. Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which now effectively controls the street, along

6:13with Iran's traditional navy, has the capability to deploy a gauntlet of dispersed mind-laying craft, explosive laden boats, and shore-based missile batteries, that's according to CNN. The IRGC previously warned any ship passing through that street would be attacked, and the channel has effectively been closed since the start of the war. The state of the street has been described to CNN as a death valley, given the risks involved in transiting. The U.S. officials said today that the U.S. Navy had not escorted any vessels through the street, though Trump said Monday that his administration was looking at options to do so. And I do have kind of a breaking update here. So Energy Secretary Chris Wright, and I'm going to show you all these posts over on the beans talk later today. But the Energy Secretary had tweeted that the Navy successfully escorted a oil tanker through the street, and then immediately deleted it. Caroline Levitt had to answer to that in her press briefing today, saying that was a mistake. It was taken down.

7:13And then Reuters right now is just reporting the day that the Navy has told merchant ships, no, we're not going to escort any boats through the street right now. The straight of hormones is too dangerous. It's a safety risk for our personnel, and we're not going to do it. This is kind of along those lines of that video that six of our lawmakers made that says, do not follow illegal orders. And I'm wondering if there's going to be a showdown between Donald Trump and the Navy. Is Donald Trump going to order the Navy to escort these boats when the Navy says it is simply too dangerous to do so? It'll be interesting to say. And Reuters has actually been doing some great investigative work because they just reported as many as 150 US troops have been wounded in the 10-day war with Iran. This is from two people familiar with the matter. That's what they told Reuters on Tuesday. The casualty figure has not been previous to report it and not surprising because this administration doesn't want to admit that our military is getting injured and killed. Now that casualty figure just came out from Reuters.

8:16Prior to Reuters publication of the figure, the Pentagon had only disclosed eight US personnel seriously injured in a statement after Reuters published the report. The Pentagon estimated the figure to be approximately 140 wounded and said the vast majority of them were minor. And I quote, since the start of Operation Epic Fury, approximately 140 US service members have been wounded over 10 days of sustained attacks. This is Chief Pentagon spokesperson Sean Parnell. He said 108 of the wounded service members had already returned to duty. Parnell said the eight seriously wounded service members are receiving the highest level of medical care. Reuters could not determine the types of injuries and whether they include traumatic brain injuries, which are common after exposure to blasts. Sean has launched retaliatory strikes against US military bases since the start of the conflict on February 28th. It's also struck diplomatic missions in Arab Gulf states as well as hotels and airports, damaged an oil infrastructure. So 140 injured not eight.

9:18Okay. Yeah, it seems like a big difference. That's separate from the eight that have died. Correct. And the rumors are is that the US and Israel are going to try to seize an Iranian oil port like a little island Iran's oil experts would stall and output have like be cut in half if the US and Israel were to seize its port on Carg Island, triggering further attacks from Tehran on regional oil infrastructure. That's from JP Morgan in a note, Axios reported March 7th at the US administration had discussed seizing the island, which sits some 30 kilometers off Iran's coast in the Gulf and processes about 90% of its crude exports. So they're trying to seize this island, I guess. I mean, they're so freaked out about this increase in oil price, which how did they not see it coming? Of course. You know, I didn't see any because they don't plan for this shit, even though they should, they knew. But they are going to kill US troops and civilians overseas to try to get oil prices to come

10:18down, which they cause to be raised in the first place. Now next up from the post, the Social Security Administration's internal watchdog is investigating a whistleblower complaint that alleges a former US doge service employee claimed he had access to two highly sensitive agency databases and plan to share the information with his private employer, a claim that if true, would constitute an unprecedented breach of security protocols at an agency that served 70 million of us. The agency's inspector general is investigating the disclosure and has alerted members of Congress of its existence, according to a letter by the acting inspector general to top members of four congressional committees. And this letter was reviewed by the post and two people familiar. The post has reviewed the complaint and spoken with the whistleblower who issued the complaint anonymously for fear of retaliation. And according to the disclosure, the former doge software engineer who worked at the Social Security Administration last year before starting a job at a government contractor in October allegedly told several co-workers he was bragging like a dickbag that he possessed two tightly

11:23restricted databases of US citizens information and he had at least one on a thumb drive. The databases called Numadent and the master death file include records for more than 500 million living in dead Americans, including Social Security numbers, places and dates of birth, citizenship, race and ethnicity, and parents' names, 500 million. And same. There are 330 million people in the United States right now, so this is living in dead. The complaint does not include specific dates of when he has said to have told colleagues of this information, but at least one of the alleged events unfolded around early January according to the complaint. While working at doge, the engineer had approved access to Social Security data. According to the complaint, he told the whistleblower this guy that he needed help transferring the data from a thumb drive to his personal computer so that he could sanitize the data before using it at his company. The engineer told colleagues that once he had removed personal details from the data, he wanted to upload it into the company's system.

12:23Wow, what company? Man, no kidding. He told another colleague who refused to help him upload the data because of legal concerns that he expected to receive a presidential pardon if his actions were deemed to be illegal. Wow. We knew this though. Everyone knew this. Everyone listening to this podcast knew this. All your shit. They stole all of our shit and they're selling it to the highest bidder. I mean, it's just mind blowing. I hope this guy gets jail time. Now that we're going to my home state in New Mexico, this is from the Times. New Mexico State investigators on Monday descended on Zorro Ranch owned by Jeffrey Epstein beginning what may be the first thorough search of an overlooked but important part of the convicted sex offenders empire. The examination of the property is part of a renewed effort by state leaders to scrutinize the deceased financiers know that would have been again convicted sex offenders crimes in New Mexico, which they say have never been fully investigated. The State's Department of Justice, which opened a criminal inquiry into the property last month is carrying out the search along with a local sheriff's office as folks woman

13:27for New Mexico's attorney general decline to comment further. It was not clear what parts of the ranch had been searched or how long the operation would even last victims of Epstein have said that they were abused and trapped at that property yet. New Mexico officials recently unsealed documents indicate the federal authorities may have overlooked the 30,000 square foot mansion and its sea of surrounding grassland after they took over a state level inquiry into the actions in 2019. In addition to the state attorney general's criminal investigation, New Mexico lawmakers voted unanimously last month to in panel a bipartisan for member truth commission in the state legislature equipped with subpoena power to look into what might have happened to Zorro Ranch. The authorities have worried that the passage of time may complicate their efforts. The property has changed hands since Mr. Epstein's death and evidence may have been lost in transfer. The ranch's new owner, a Dallas real estate magnate named Don Huffinness, said it will comply with state investigation.

14:27In the column for the Abacarque Journal last week, where a little tore as the attorney general to Mexico said there would be real obstacles to unearthing physical evidence and prosecuting potential offenses but pledged to issue a public report as the investigation's conclusion. And I just want to say this guy Don Huffinness who bought this things, Huffines, whatever the fuck his name is, is turning it into a Christian camp. If that doesn't scare anybody, listening, I want cadaver dogs out there. I want, do you do much to land as out in New Mexico? I want cadaver dogs out there. I want them digging and I want to know if they find remains. Yeah. And don't we have some sort of like infrared cameras, sonar technology that can like look into the ground to find remains. Don't we have some? I'm almost positive we do. The military definitely does. They use it. Yeah. I mean, that's what I kept looking for. I read like six stories on this particular search and I was trying to if I did, are you digging up the ranch? Are you digging up the grounds? Because yeah. That's because they've already started construction on the ranch when they sold it.

15:28They literally started breaking ground as fast as they could when they heard this investigation was happening. So one, I hope they freeze that. And two, I really hope they get every single, it's New Mexico, man, the base is out there. I grew up there. You've got curtain and air force base. You've got access to tools out there. I don't know what you can use from the military, what you can use. If you're using the, you know, the Department of Justice out there in New Mexico, New Mexico is attorney general, all of those things. But you have things in your backyard and you've got less Salimos and Kirkland Air Force base for God's sake. Use it. I'm not sure Kegsath would know in a heartbeat. He wouldn't, but I mean, I tell you what, Sandsbury's going to get some shit done. She's incredible. Yeah. And hey, come to your neighbor, California. We've got all sorts of great technology over here. I mean, look at me, I'm like, so not a tech expert. I'm like, we got things to confine bodies in California. For sure, if you don't have them there in New Mexico, I honestly don't know. But I don't either. They need to do a very, very thorough investigation because anything that was in the house

16:32is probably long gone. I find it hard to believe they didn't search the 30,000 square foot mansion in 2019. I mean, it seems like if they, I don't know, you know, listen, I know there's lawmakers that were around during that time. I don't know if it's Richardson that's connected to this, not in necessarily connected to Epstein. But if he was in power, I don't know. I'm sure some people listening to this who live in New Mexico would be able to figure out the timeline for me. But I also want every single one of those people, subpoenaed. I want to know what you knew because you had to have known something. Yeah. And the feds didn't do it. The feds under Trump, the feds under Biden, nobody went to search that place. There's no statute of limitations on murder. I don't understand. Unless there were people from the FBI who were just hiding shit from the DOJ, which does happen because. Uh-huh. Possibly not. If you have a governor or someone involved in any of this, and I hope to God, you don't, but, you know, they would, they would try and cover it up too. Yeah. All right. Some better news. This is from the Times, the DNC, Democratic National Committee is suing the Trump administration. They filed their lawsuit on Tuesday to compel the government to say whether it's planning

17:34to put armed federal agents or military personnel at polling places or election offices this year. And I like that they added election offices, not just polling places, but, but, you know, are they going to send people to where we count the votes and just yank stuff, just no shake ballots, you know, and the lawsuit filed in federal court in DC says that 11 separate freedom of information act requests filed in October to the DOJ, the Department Homeland Security and Department of Defense have prompted no meaningful response, which is a violation of the law, quote, to ensure that American people obtain timely knowledge of potential threats to free and fair elections and to enable the DNC to take appropriate action to ensure voting rights are protected, and DNC now seeks this court's aid to enforce its freedom of information act requirements. Now, there are no current reported plans, reported plans for the administration to use armed agents or troops in the upcoming elections. United States federal law bans military personnel or other armed agents from being at any place, where a general or special election is being held.

18:34But fears of the Trump administration might disregard the law have percolated for months among Democrats and voting rights groups. Gosh, I wonder what would make anyone think that Donald Trump would disregard the law. I know. Who point to his publicly stated desires to nationalize elections and his stated regret over not having seized voting machines in the 2020 election? Other actions taken by the administration, including a raid in late January by the FBI at a local election warehouse in Fulton County have only heightened those concerns. And now we have a new one in Maricopa County, Arizona. They've rated Maricopa County's voting information. How important. And we're going to talk about that on the unjustified podcast this weekend. All right. Thanks so much, Allison. And a little more good news, like we said, this is from the Times, two teenage brothers, and mariachi stars who visited the White House last summer, were released with their family on Monday from ICE detention centers in South Texas, immediately following the visit of a delegation of Democratic lawmakers who pressed for them to be freed.

19:36Again, Democratic lawmakers, the case had drawn national outrage and representative walking Castro of Texas who led the delegation had been working to secure their release since the family was detained over a week ago. We're visiting with one of the brothers, Caleb Gomez, Quayar, and members of his family inside the detention center, Mr. Castro waited in the parking lot with other visiting lawmakers for hours as they were processed for their release. Another brother is also a member of the mariachi group, Antonio, he's 18. He was released from a separate facility for adults, the LIA detention center in Raymond ville, Texas. When the family finally walked out of the detention center dressed in maroon and navy sweat shirts and gray sweat pants, they told the Democratic lawmakers waiting to greet them that they had been offered money to self-deport when they originally apprehended near the border. The father, Luis Antonio Gomez, said that his response was, and I quote, we don't want to take that dirty money on Monday.

20:36They briefly sat on a bus with the lawmakers who gave them box sandwiches and thanked them for securing their release before getting into a car driven by a member of Mr. Castro's staff. They took them to Alice, Texas. Mr. Gomez has said that his family entered the United States in 2023 at the border crossing in Brownsville, Texas and claimed asylum because they were fleeing threats in San Luis, Potosi, Mexico, where he had been kidnapped by cartel members. The delegation of lawmakers that visited the family with Mr. Castro, including representatives and a net baragon. And I'm sorry if I said that correctly, someone can definitely correct me. Julia Brownlee and Sarah Jacobs, all of California, Catherine Clark of Massachusetts, Madeline Dean of Pennsylvania, and Jim, a government of Massachusetts. Representative Monica De La Cruz, the Republican who represents the district where the family had settled and who invited the ban to Capitol Hill last year had not yet visited this center. On Monday, after facing pressure over the case, she wrote on social media that she was

21:38working to explore every legal option available to help Mr. Gomez, boy, out of his family, and that she had requested a visit to a detention center in Raymondville, where Antonio, the older brother, was being held. She posted that she was on her way to meet with him in Raymondville and then claimed credit. For securing his release, get the fuck out of here, writing in a news release that had followed her direct advocacy with the White House and Homeland Security officials. Democratic lawmakers said the family members they met with on Monday expressed frustration with Mr. La Cruz, that she had not shown interest in their case until the public outcry This is a quote, they said to me, no, she hasn't done anything, she's in helping us. This is from Ms. Baragon. And later on Monday, a person close to Antonio says released from the center in Raymondville had been delayed until the Republican Congresswoman could arrive for a fucking photo shoot. What a piece of garbage. That's just so infuriating. It's disgusting and not surprising.

22:39I mean, it's disgusting enough when folks like Lauren Bobert claim credit for infrastructure shit that Joe Biden put together that she voted against in her district. But to do this with human people like lives, to take credit for their willow, it was all because of me, you're going to have to stay detained just a little while longer. I got to get my makeup and hair done for a photo opportunity. So just hang tight. It's so disgusting. Fuck you. Ugh. Everybody vote for the Democrat. Okay. I have. We have an interview with Sasha Bromsky next followed by the good news. Everybody stick around. We'll be right back. After these messages will be right back before I upgraded to my Helix mattress, I would wake up in the middle of the night constantly and then spend hours trying to get comfortable again. I'd be covered in sweat. I woke up with stiff, cranky back, like it was awful and in the morning, it carried through the whole day. It just wrecked everything. I was like a cartoon robot, but Helix helped with all of that.

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26:46You'll be glad you did. Filming the way on the Camino de Santiago de Compostela was one of the most important and rewarding experiences of my life. And it was by far the most satisfying role of my career. The way it was filmed in 2009 over an eight week schedule and followed the pilgrimage route from Xinjiang peer to port in the French Pyrenees across northern Spain to Santiago. And then on to Moussia for the final scene. The entire production was a family affair. These are the opening lines of a story I share and they reflect the very heart of my podcast. And through sharing autobiographical stories and inspired poetry and personal reflections, that is the theme I find myself exploring again and again. But I do so in the hope that it sparks listeners to see how it relates to their own lives and their own story of discovery. So please join me each Sunday for a beautifully crafted 20 minute journey of personal exploration.

27:50I'm proud to announce the Martin Sheen podcast season two. I've often said if it's not personal, it's impersonal. And that is how I choose to approach my podcast with all its contents from storytelling to poetry and book selections. Each unique episode is a journey we will share together. I think it's important you know that I have no intention of leaving who I am at the door with this podcast. Anyone who knows me knows I cannot tell a personal story that doesn't have at least some social justice connection at its core. I have my convictions and issues that draw on my empathy and compassion. Frankly, that's what drives and informs my conscience and makes me who I am. How could I bring any less to this endeavor? So tune in Sundays as I invite you to follow, subscribe, and receive notifications about what's next for me, Martin Sheen. Oh, and for more information, please visit the martensheenpodcast.com.

28:53And thank you again. Hey, everybody. Welcome back. I'm honored today to be joined by somebody we had on the show. In January, right around the time his book was released. His book is called, by the way, American Carnage, how Trump, Musk, and Doge butchered the U.S. government. And then we had a book talk where we did a chat and an interview at Warwick's books in La Jolla, California. And we're doing a follow-up today because this through line of what started with a dismemberment of the U.S. government, the carnage, you know, per the book title, with Doge has led us to where we are now. And that through line continues with the ripping away of all of our civil government guardrails that would normally have been there. So please welcome author and just all around incredible human. He had many publications he's written for in the U.K., the U.S. rights for the nation, the Atlantic, New York Magazine, Mother Jones, Village Voice, Rolling Stone, Guardian. You can find him everywhere. Please welcome Sasha Abramsky.

29:54Hi, Sasha. How are you today? I'm good, Allison. Thank you again for having me on the show. That's always good to see you, my friend. When we were at Warwick's in La Jolla, we were in the middle of Operation Metro surge and had just gotten out of Operation Midway Blitz. And we had a really great lengthy discussion about what you outlined in your book, because your book is like the first book length telling of what has happened following the lives of multiple people who were civil servants that were cut by doge, which is Department of Government Efficiency, just so everybody knows, so-called doge. And the discussion that we had had a lot to do with how what happened with doge brought us to what was happening with mass deportation. Can you talk a little bit about that briefly about the discussion we had? And then let's bring it to the present day where now we are in an illegal war of choice no end in sight to possible boots on the ground and 15 different reasons to try to justify

31:01the war, none of which went through Congress, as is supposed to happen in our constitution. Yeah, I mean, basically what doge's mandate was was to fire and destroy large parts of the government civil service. So the title was Department of Government Efficiency. The reality was it should have been the Department of Reckoning Government too. It was never about efficiency. It was about putting a wrecking ball to the parts of government that could stand in the way of Trump's agenda. So anything to do with public health, anything to do with the environment, anything to do with federal efforts to use the education system to address inequality, all of that stuff was in Trump's sites right for the get-go. And one of the other things in Trump's sites was USAID, soft power where America used it some expertise overseas to generate goodwill. And so one of the first things those did was it started wrecking the overseas aid infrastructure. And it also started wrecking large parts of the state department. So if you sort of fast forward a year and you say, all right, well that was in 2025,

32:06why should we care about that today when there's so much else going on? You don't get to the immigration surges in Minnesota or in Chicago unless you've neutralized last parts of the federal civil service. You certainly don't get to the war in Iran unless you've had expertise just thrown out the window because anybody with the expertise, anybody who's studying the region, anybody who's spent time in the region, anybody who's done any basic research of how these things tend to sort of devolve would have said to the Trump administration, you're insane. Yes, you've got lots of bombs and lots of airplanes and lots of missiles and you can inflict lots of short-term damage. But this isn't a way to change the regime. And it's certainly not the way to win hearts and minds because what we've done basically is go in, stream missiles left right in center, we hit a school, we torpedoed an unarmed naval vessel 2000 miles from the conflict, we're destroying the infrastructure in Tehran and other major cities. Well, at the end of the day, if you just send thousands of missiles into a country, you create a massive groundswell of resentment.

33:12And I think we're beginning to sort of see that. We've seen these huge rallies in Tehran in support of Ayatollah, how many sun being ordained as the new Ayatollah. That's not because there's any love at the regime in Iran. The Iranians have been demonstrating against that regime for months and years. There are millions of people in Iran who want nothing more than the end of the Ayatollah's reign and the creation of a democratic system. But there's a realization growing that none of this is going to be accomplished, that all this is doing is consolidating the very, very worst elements of the Iranian regime. Now, as I said, if we hadn't hollowed out the State Department, if don't hadn't gone on this firing by quota sort of, you know, surge in 2025, we wouldn't have ended up in this situation where the government has no expertise to call on, where they're basically winging it on one of the most important foreign policy decisions of the last 20, 25 years. Right. And we have Kosh Patel, as we know, firing nearly a dozen experts, you know, in Iran and

34:15counterterrorism because they were associated with the investigation into Donald Trump's willful retention, illegal willful retention of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, one of which, by the way, that he waived around at Bedminster had to do with potential attacks on Iran from General Million, Susie Wiles is in that audio. That's right. So now we've got no experts. But I remember back in Trump 1.0 and we still had a couple of experts in the room when Donald Trump sort of passed over Ukrainian experts and sent his, what I call the Ukraine clown posse, right? The, the Truman Harnas Rudy Giuliani over there who, who eventually had our ambassador removed Masha and, you know, we're all sitting there like, okay, so there were some people who were against that in that particular White House and that administration. And some people fought back. We had some whistleblowers.

35:16We had some people talking about it. We had an impeachment about it. But now fast forward to where we are now. And not only have we removed and killed the Ayatollah, we've now his son is installed. He's a more hard line with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. But we have also completely dismantled through Doge and other means our entire national security apparatus here in the United States. That doesn't that also put us at risk? Absolutely. But, you know, where Donald Trump says, you know, he's asked who could this awaken sleepers cells here in the United States and be dangerous and make us more vulnerable to attack? And he said, I guess. Yeah, I mean, look, Doge went on a mission of firing by quota. And Elon Musk was very explicit about that. He's like, you know, we're going to just fire one in eight or whatever he said of the federal workforce. Well, if you fire by quota, you're basically dismantling expertise gratuitously. It's an act of vandalism. And I think, you know, the more I reported the book and the more I talked to people about what was going on,

36:19the more that struck me as the way to understand this. This is basically vandalism of a system that took a hundred years to create the professionalized skillful civil service in the United States. And the result is you end up with major policy decisions being done on the hoof. So vaccine mandates being just shredded and then we imagine sort of almost at whim. But when it comes to war and peace, you know, you would have thought a basic strategic analysis of going to war in Iran would have contemplated the possibility the Iranians might close the streets of for news and cause an oil crisis. I mean, that doesn't take sort of a vast amount of education or insight to realize that would be one of the Iranian strategies. They're never going to match the Americans airplane for airplane or missile for missile. But in a game of asymmetric warfare, it's entirely possible that Iran could end up with the upper hand by causing a global energy crisis. And yet the administration seems to have not even considered that possibility. I mean, it's completely extraordinary. They were completely blindsided by the fact that a week into the war,

37:22there was a spiraling oil price crisis. And you're seeing today, they're sort of trying to do these back stops. So they're saying, well, we're going to temporarily liberate sanctions on a Russian oil. So having told the Indians, in particular, a couple months ago, we're going to punish you with really punishing tariffs because you're buying Russian oil. They are now telling the Indians today, oh, by the way, we changed our mind. You can buy Russian oil because we're fighting somebody else at the moment. I mean, this is clown show politics. This is the kind of stuff that, you know, you wouldn't expect a good middle school student to be doing. They're making decisions that have no strategic rationale at all. And they're doing it in front of the world's cameras, and they're doing it backed up by the world's most powerful military. And it's a complete clown show. And again, you know, coming back to Doge, I don't think you get to the sort of scale of this until you've dismantled the civil service. And we're seeing this now. Look, am I allowed to swear on your show? Yes, you are. Good, good, good. So it's one of my sources in my book, American

38:24College. He said, look, there's a phrase that's doing around fuck around and find out. And, you know, I'm not very up on phrases like that. So I was like, what do you mean? He said, well, fuck around and find out means if you fuck around with something, you basically break it. And then you find out the consequences. And he was talking about it in the context. He was a fired forest service worker in Colorado. He was talking about it in the context of what happens when you fire a whole bunch of fire service people on the edge of fire season. Or what happens if you're a CDC worker, you're working on measles and Robert F. Kennedy decides that's no longer a priority. And you're fired for working on measles. Fuck around and find out was what he said. Well, I think the same thing holds internationally. If you fire all of the experts, if you fire the national security teams, if you fire the State Department people, if you fire the soft power people who've been on the ground all over the world, protecting America's interests, not through military, but through soft power. If you fire all of those people and you have this America first agenda that doesn't believe in international alliances, doesn't believe in international

39:26organizations believes only in brute force. This is Steve Miller's vision of the world believes only in brute force. Well, at the end of the day, you end up making really pig stupid decisions. And I think we see in that in Iran, it may be the sort of single stupidest foreign policy decision. Well, since the last really stupid foreign policy decisions in the Middle East, but you have to go back 20 years, you have to go back to the invasion of Iraq, over 20 years ago. But Trump came in with a pledge to end forever wars. People voted for him. A last number of mega supporters voted for him thinking he would get rid of international entanglements. Well, if this is getting rid of international entanglements, God help us. Because essentially he's embedding America in a strategic catastrophe in the Middle East that could impact the entire world for years or even decades to come. He's bombed eight countries nine times in the last less than a year. I mean, I think one of his strategic statements from the past week has, I believe he said, the bombings will continue until peace

40:29improves. Which is just, I mean, I'm paraphrasing. But those are the words that came out Marco Rubius. And we did it preemptively in a defensive manner. It was just, it's the most bizarre thing. Well, it's bizarre, but I mean, it's also a well-earned. It's a use of language that is just meaningless. It's literally meaningless language. And that's a classic sign of authoritarianism that you can use language in such a malleable way that it ceases to have any sort of real function other than as a propaganda tool. That's what Putin did in Ukraine when he said we're going to have a special operation. Well, what did that mean? It meant we're going to have an invasion of war. But the use of the word war was seen as sort of somehow illegitimate. So the use of the word special, special operation, or Trump's use in the word defensive operation. You know, there's really no difference. The idea I do. I mean, he's changed the name of the Department of Defense or the Department of War. It makes it kind of hard to say that, you know, you're not at war. And they've also, when you have, we go on camera and revels in the fact that

41:31we can quote unquote, rain death and destruction down all day from the skies all day long. Well, it talks like that. Even if that's the military objective to, you know, kill a lot of people through bombing from the sky, who revels in raining death and destruction on a civilian population, which is essentially what they're doing because they're bombing Tehran, which is one of the most densely populated cities in the region. So, you know, whatever you think of the Iatollas and I don't know anybody who likes the Iatollas, they're ghastly. They regime is ghastly. But how are you possibly making that situation better by killing thousands of civilians in densely populated urban areas? That to me is just, it makes no sense at all. Yeah, are there were 10 ways to, to replace, remove the Iatola or to neutralize the Iatola? We have chosen the worst way to do it. It's the, it like, look, I mean, that's not a surprise. Look, look at Trump's cabinet. You put Christine old until she was fired for, you know, being even too incompetent for Trump in charge of, of, um, Homeland Security. You put Robert Kennedy,

42:33who's completely insane in charge of public health. You put Pete Hexeth, who's only qualification to be Secretary of Defense, is that he was a Fox News pundit in charge of the world's most powerful military. You put Cash Patel, who, you know, I don't know if anyone's seen the footage of him, you know, drinking like a fat boy and screaming like a lunatic when the US hockey team won. You put him in charge of the FBI. At every step of the way, they've deliberately put clowns in charge of major institutions, a government. And that's not an accident. If you put those kind of low caliber people in charge, they owe everything to the boss, to Donald Trump. It's a way of securing sicker fancy. You don't want high school people in, in those offices, because then they may actually push back when Trump comes up with a really dumb idea like bombing Iran. It's also aligned with his goal to destroy the government. When you put destructive people in charge of these entities, these agencies, it's you're helping destroy the government, which is what Doge was initially about. And I thought of you this week because

43:34an independent journalist named Marissa Cabas, through a FOIA request, got some body cam footage of the takeover of the US Institute of Peace. And in that body cam footage, you can hear the Doge people and the Metropolitan Police acknowledging that it was a private institution. I know that there's a litigation going on about whether the US Institute of Peace is a private or a public agency. But you can hear them acknowledging that, but going in any way and routing out the US Institute of Peace, putting Trump's name on the front door of it, Trump's Institute of Peace instead. And then he wants the Nobel Peace Prize and then he puts together the board of peace and then he starts a war. So it's just, everything is opposite day. But when I saw that body cam footage from Marissa Cabas, I thought of you because it goes back to the Doge times, the early days of dismantling the government pulling out all those guardrails. Yeah, I mean, look, if you wanted to

44:34design a system, guarantee to hobble the ability of government to do basic function, you would design Doge. I mean, that's what you do. You'd sit in a room with a few people who didn't like the concept of the federal government and you'd say, what can I do to make it completely non-functional? I know I will hire a bunch of tech bros who will go in and bulldoze their way into very sensitive government databases and use those databases to fire people they don't like. That's number one. Number two, I will destroy absolutely critical government agencies that project American soft power abroad that protect public health and education and so on here at home and I will destroy them cavalierly with no sense of consequence. And number three, I will use all of the information that I get illegitimately and I will use it as an information heist. I will essentially rob different government agencies of protected information and I will use it to go after immigrants, which is what they've done. They've used it to locate immigrants, to track them down, to hunt them,

45:35to detain them, to deport them. You couldn't create a system better designed to just paralyze last parts of the government because what it did was you fire people at quota and the survivors are terrified because they've seen their colleagues being marched out oftentimes by armed federal marshals locked out of their email accounts. Their pay has been cancelled and their health care has been cancelled and the survivors look at that and they're like, I don't want that to happen to me. What can I do to stay employed? Well, it turns out what you can do to stay employed is you swear field to Donald Trump. So you stop pushing back against Donald Trump's vision. You stop putting up bureaucratic obstacles. You stop putting up question marks saying, well, you're sure you want to do this because maybe we do need measles experts because we have a measles epidemic or maybe we do need workplace safety inspectors because we have people dying of toxins in the workplace or maybe we do need to consume a financial protection bureau because we have an awful lot of Americans who are being preyed on by predatory lenders. But now you've got nobody

46:36pushing back saying, well, we need these things. You've got people saying, all right, you want to scrub the EPA of any function of monitoring pollution. That's fine as long as I keep my job. You want to scrub the National Park Service of any reference to slavery. We'll go along with that as long as we can keep our jobs. Now, not everybody. I don't want to sound like every federal worker who survived became dishonorable. That's not the case. There are plenty of very honorable federal workers. Plenty of them hate what's going on. There are people who've resigned in protest at what's going on. But you do have some people who are willing to play along to get along. And I think that was one of the messages that Boge was, forget about the impartial civil service, forget about professionalism, forget about the original purpose of the agencies that you work for. It's now all about fealty to Donald Trump. Well, again, you know, to beat a dead horsey, that's not really democratic. That's exactly what authoritarian leaders and authoritarian governments do. They've done it in Russia, in Hungary, in Turkey. You can go around the world and look at the authoritarian

47:37playbook. And Trump's basically taking one page after another out of it. And Elon Musk, when he was on the ins instead of on the outs, he was also taking one page out of another. This was quintessential authoritarianism. And today, in 2026, we're bearing the consequences of all of that. Yeah. And I think that's why your book, why American carnage is so important, because it actually documents and follows people from the civil service, the federal civil service, who experienced that sheer terror, that trauma, as Russ vote intentionally wanted to inflict upon them when he said we want to inflict maximum damage. It caused trauma in our federal workforce. That is the goal of Doge. And so when, you know, I encourage everybody to pick up the book, because when you read it, you get a real personal on the ground practical where the rubber meets the road sense of what went on inside the civil service in the early days of Doge. And following that through to, you know, later on, what became of them and what they saw

48:37happening to themselves and their fellow federal workers? Yeah. I mean, look, I was very lucky. I got to interview 11 extraordinary people from different parts of the government and they were generous with their time and their stories. This is what I love about journalism. I, you know, people basically pay me to tell interesting stories about a country in transition. And I've written 11 books. This one really felt personal to me, because I was telling a story of people whose lives had been gratuitously upended. It wasn't for any grand strategic vision that would make government genuinely better. Their lives were being gratuitously upended to fulfill Trump's ego essentially, and Elon Musk's ego. And these were not highly paid people. These were people who were, you know, earning a basic middle class salary, doing a job in the public sector that they thought and believed was important to better the well-being of fellow members of the community. And suddenly, they were being told, you know what, you were wrong. You aren't here to make the world a little bit better. You're actually an enemy of the people. Well, when the world's most powerful individuals,

49:40Musk and Trump turn on individual federal workers and say, you're an enemy of the people, that's extraordinary and it's devastating. And my book, I hope, tells the story of what that does to people when their lives are turned upside down. But I also hope it tells the story of what happens to America when America's turned upside down. Yeah, it does. And I highly recommend everybody grab a copy. If you haven't already, it's called American Carnage. And I really appreciate your time. Thanks for checking back in. I know we'll probably talk again in another couple of months when something massive is happening probably in primary, the middle of primary season. And we can talk about how it's origins that being allowed to happen started with Doge and how they put the government. So thank you for your time today, my friend Sasha Bromsky. Everybody grab American Carnage. I hope you have a, I hope your week gets better. Always a joy to be on the show. Thank you. No problem. Everybody stick around. We'll be right back with the good news. I'm Brian Karam and I've spent decades covering politics. Now I'm taking you behind the scenes,

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