Deep Dive • Project Superman (01) Was Andy Pero A Super Soldier?

0:00Some dare call it conspiracy. Welcome to the Summed Air Colleagues conspiracy podcast hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders. After nearly 20 years exploring the world of conspiracy culture, we are taking our guests and listeners on a guided tour of the rabbit hole, our mission to discover where the truth lies. So Brent, have you ever heard of a man called Andrew or Andy to his friend's pier out? I've heard of Project Superman and I've only heard of Andy Piro because you've mentioned him, but I do kind of know a little bit about this super soldier topic.

1:03There we go. That explains that Andy Piro is a gentleman who had recovered memories of being trained by elements of the US government to be a super soldier with abilities that go beyond a normal soldier's ability, shall we say. And it's also connected to another couple of pretty classic conspiracy theories that a lot of people might have heard of. The Philadelphia experiment. Have you, you know the Philadelphia experiment? Oh yeah, that one. So it's really beautiful. It's a bit of a disappear. Yeah, that's exactly right. They tried to make a boat disappear, being visible to the naked eye and the methods that they used to this accidentally because Carb Bloody I want you know accidentally knocked it clear out of time. True, but by they, I mean the US government, right? Yes, yes, government. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. That was what they thought.

2:04Briefly it disappeared and it briefly appeared somewhere else in America before then coming back to where it had been. And they thought they were sort of making it visually invisible, but actually what happened was they managed to knock it out of space time and this caused all sorts of problems for the people that were on board. How on Earth could Andy Piro be connected to the Philadelphia experiment? Well, he's connected by a third conspiracy theory that a lot of people might have heard of as some people might be vaguely aware of, but our guarantee almost everybody listening to this is aware of the television series that was based on it or very loosely based on it, which is of course, stranger things. And I'm talking about the Montalk project and the Montalk project is a bit of a sort of vast sprawling idea. The long and short of it is that it was a project that involved a mysterious chair that was back

3:06engineered by aliens or from aliens. And this allowed people to amplify their psychic abilities while sat in it. And ultimately this led to such discoveries as the ability to travel through time. So yeah, a lot of good topics on this particular series. So yeah, these when I was a conspiracist, these were like the kind of somewhat fun conspiracy theories that I would listen to people talk about on like coast to coast. Yeah, yeah, they're very, very much coast to coast. They're in that sort of midpoint between a project camelot stuff, which is very clearly like that's just nuts and coast to coast where like this is the thing about the Montalk project. It sounds like very, very crazy. A lot of people because of the people involved and because of the way it was presented, actually sort of took seriously and thought that at least elements of it may be true. Yeah, I think looking back at it, maybe I was kind of looking at this more as like entertainment as a truth or?

4:12Hmm. Well, how I got into the Montalk thing was that I saw the Montalk survivors DVD, someone sent it to me, I had no idea what it is. And it's three people in a room being interviewed by a huge amount of like people with no pads as if like who seem like serious reporters and stuff like that. They're talking about their experiences in it. And one of the gentlemen in there is a guy called Preston Nichols and he was like a chief engineer at Montalk. He helped build the first iteration of the chair. And he comes across as knowing what he's talking about in regards to electronic devices and stuff. He talks, it spends a long time talking about transmitters and receivers and attempts to control the weather before they get anywhere near to the interesting stuff of the Montalk project. So a lot of people felt that he had an air of authenticity and an air of authority and credibility about him because of this.

5:13There were two other people that were involved in the Montalk project, both who believed that they had been born in completely different bodies. I don't mean that in a sort of, you know, in a sort of expression of yourself, they genuinely believed that they'd been in one body, then been their soul had been taken out. And they'd been put into another body, which explained why they were the ages that they were explaining the things that they did. But we'll come along to that really because the main sort of. Crooks of what we're talking about is through the lens of the story of Andy Pirro. And Andy Pirro wrote a book called Project Superman is essentially his story, the Andy Pirro story project Superman. It appeared on the internet in the late 90s. So this is going to be a very interesting series. It's going to start off interesting. Hopefully some of it will be funny. And then all of a sudden it's not going to be funny at all. So it's again, it's a bit like the career of Ricky Gervais.

6:15Actually, it's a little bit more like the career of Louis CK. And if you understand that reference, you might have a bit of a foreshadowing of where this is going. But they don't want to spoil anything. So in the mid 90s, Andrew Pirro started to experience an escalation of paranoia within his thoughts. He was having crippling panic attacks. He was having hugely violent nightmares. And he was having flashbacks of memories of things like being tortured, of being put into medical tests. And seemingly involving the military. And when he was speaking to his parents about this and trying to sort of piece together the story of his life, he was finding that he was rubbing up against them. And they were basically they were saying that well, that didn't happen. We don't recall this. And he started to get really sort of concerned about this is almost as if he felt like he'd lived an entire life that he was only partially aware of. Now, instead of visiting traditional medical professionals, Pirro turns to a gentleman called Preston Nichols. And the reason that he turned to Preston Nichols, we've received became aware of a very famous book that caused a great big stir in the conspiracy world.

7:29And then say, there's still has an impact. It's that the basis for the television programs, the stranger things. And this was the 1992 book, the Montauk project experiments in time. So we will go on about this later, but the Montauk project involved mine control aliens teleportation and even time travel. So if you had your conspiracy theory, the theory bingo cards at the ready, some of you will have won surprises there. So Pirro got in touch with Nichols through the sort of fringe UFO convention circuit and lectures he approached him at a lecture and explained his story. And Preston Nichols immediately sort of recognized elements of the story and felt that it matched what he was saying about Montauk and the experiments that were going on there. He felt that it sort of validated him and he basically presented Andy at various conferences as one of what was called a Montauk boy. And these were children, some of whom were home, some of whom were sort of drafted in through sort of military families or other means that were used as test subjects for mine control experiments and psychic experiments often going all the way to sort of shooting them through time.

8:51And seeing what the results were. He claimed that basically, and he had been involved in the Montauk chair. And as I said, this chair was apparently a real device that was back engineered from aliens, alien technology and allowed psychics or people with any sort of level of psychic ability to amplify those powers and essentially to create things time tunnels or just create things out of nothing. That was what Preston Nichols was saying that he was involved with as a government experiment and he was saying that Andy Piro was also involved but a sort of the different end of it really. So Preston Nichols, he played an incredibly central role in promoting Andy Piro but also in his alleged recovery. Basically, he was the actor, this is primary D programmer and an analyst and is therapeutic guide and through chats with Preston, he was able to piece together the story of Project Superman, which is what we're going to talk about.

9:58Now, as this was happening when Andy was very first finding out his past, he didn't want to go public and so he was appearing in certain publications and he was described by Preston at various places as Mr. Coffee. And so if you ever hear a reference to Mr. Coffee, there's a book called Phoenix Undead, the Montauk Project and Camp Hero today and that sort of introduces this mysterious Mr. Coffee who was part of the experiments he was experimented on at Montauk. It's a bit from Spaceballs, it's the coffee machine that's next to Mr. Radar in the dark Helmeter gets annoyed at. But which is probably where he's got the reference from to quite honest, I don't know if there's a, I don't know if there's another American thing, maybe it's like a brand or something, but, but yeah, the first time that Andy Piro appeared in public was in August 90, we're not in Piro in public.

11:02He appeared in public telling his story, he'd not spent the entirety of his life shutting before that was in August 1998 at the Global Sciences Congress in Philadelphia. And basically, Nichols was a featured speaker, Preston Nichols was speaking talking about Montauk and he surprised the audience by bringing up Andy Piro who at the time was going under Mr. Coffee. And here's Mr. Coffee and his real name is Andy Piro and he's living proof of the things that Preston Nichols had been saying. Nichols presented Piro to the crowd and said that he was still an active mind controlled super soldier who basically successfully broken his conditioning. So if people don't know what that is, it's a soldier that's been mind controlled to be like a sort of robotic killer or assassin usually. And often when they're in this hypnotized state, they're completely ruthless, they bypasses the human feeling.

12:06And so essentially they become a killing robot or a robot for the purposes of whoever their controllers are the super soldier aspect of it is enhanced skills and enhanced strength like the ability to like be incredibly strong, maybe even to heal to go days and days and days without sleep. So essentially they're the perfect soldier because they don't have the limitations that normal human beings have essentially. So apparently he broke into his conditioning and was able to tell the public about this. I'm just rekind of realize something this is sort of like the male counterpart to the presidential model. Yeah, yeah, like you don't you know lot of men coming forward and saying that they were used as sex slaves for the elites. Although they were more manly to be like they were at the. Yeah, I was in a certain I was killing people and doing stuff like that is interesting that you think you've spotted that the the machismo aspect of it before we've even started because.

13:14That's my way of. So this this public devil with the view of Annie Pira was huge sort of moment and it basically like reignited interest in the Montauk project and for a lot of people sort of as a say validated it because you've got two people corroborating the stories of various other people. And following this he met a lady called Eve Francis Lorgon and she was the primary interviewer that bought this story to the wider public. She in the same year basically she published a multi part interview titled project Superman subjugation of a warrior. And this interview basically became the foundational text within alternative research that focused on mind control in the regard of super soldiers. This was seen as a really special and important piece of evidence. So Andy then decides that he's going to put his story together the Andy Piro story project Superman and this was distributed by various people including Preston Nichols and other people on the internet.

14:25It was never sort of never published is like a physical book. But it was it was put out everywhere and it was it's in seven parts and again it tells the story of Andy Piro's life and how he fits in with the Montauk project essentially. However. Just prior to the release of the book just after these interviews with Eve Francis Lorgon have come out Piro apparently was arrested and he says that he was sort of put up to it he had a big complication with his girlfriend who he later claims that he didn't really trust and felt that she was planted there to sort of interfere with him getting a story almost like a sort of government agent or something like that. And he said that they had an argument and the local police had responded by arresting him and processing him into custody.

15:25And he just was prompted by a complaint from this girl and but the community including Eve Francis Lorgon and Preston Nichols basically said that this girl was a liar that she was she was a vengeful woman. She she gone out of her way to try and get Andy in trouble and basically there was speculation that she was either his handler because he was still under my control or an asset deployed to monitor or compromise him. Suspiciousness has happened just as he was bringing his story to the foot to the public because it it helped to sort of discredit him. So apparently New Jersey police executed the arrest at his home of a Piro def and his defenders maintain that actually the local police weren't involved at all that it was the FBI that actually conducted the raid which was completely out of their purview. And if that's the case, there's something very very suspicious that's going on there. So following the arrest Piro was apparently placed into the local county jail and researchers claim that while he was incarcerated is is access to like the deep programming network including Preston Nichols was severed.

16:36And they alleged the legal pressure was intentionally used to discredit him into silence and disrupt his recovery process and also to discredit the testimony regarding project Superman. And after this he was still in touch with Preston but he very much kept out of the public eye for a while. And so a lot of people thought that maybe you know they had at least intimidated him. But what we did have and what we still have is the Andy Piro story project Superman and that is what we're going to go through now and what we're going to examine. So are we sitting comfortably? Chapter one. This is my story and this is my life and this is the timeline in which events occurred as well as I can recall. As I slowly regain my memory, this is my life as I can remember it. This is however just a rough outline and many of the parallel timelines which co-exist during my life have been left out of this document.

17:44As time goes by, more and more pieces will fall into place. I should explain two things before we go on. One, for some reason he has a habit of putting like sentences in capitals which obviously in internet speak means that he shouting that. And so in order to honor the and respect Andy, I feel that whenever there's a shouting bit we should at least raise our voices. And two, some of the spelling in this is fucking appalling and I will be highlighting and calling that out because I'm a bit of a bitch. Here is my timeline. My father graduates from the US Naval Academy class of 1963, Michael A. Piro, Jr. August 1966 to November 1968. My family is stationed at the CB's Construction Battalion Centre in Hueynemi, California. November 1968, my family moves to Fallon, Nevada.

18:44My father's the Lieutenant Commander of the Fallon Naval Air Station in Fallon, Nevada. November the 25th, 1969, I was born in Fallon, Nevada. I am Michael Andrew Piro III. Oh, steady on Tristram, Shandee. I'm not even born yet. Anyway, 12th of July 1971, my father resists his commission as the Lieutenant Commander of the Fallon Naval Air Station. And leaves the Navy. We moved to New Jersey and it begins work in the private sector. June 1974 to July 1976, my father begins a new job overseas and we move to Munich, Germany. Oh my God! You see, some people have pointed out that that's the capital of Bavaria, you see. And Bavaria was where the Illuminati was. So, you know, it's got to mean something.

19:48I am five years old. I attended to two different schools at this time, the German kindergarten in the morning, and then the English kindergarten and the afternoon kindergarten and then first grade. And this is where the first discrepancies between my memories and my parents' recollection. So you remember Germany, you remember living in Germany? And you didn't know him, did you? It was probably been a long time before you were there. What, you were in the game, sorry? The late seventies. So before you were born. Well, it was born in seventies. Although there is time travel involved, so it was still worth asking. Yeah. So, and do you remember Germany? And do you remember having a cat named Tunky? And you remember the neighborhood girl who was a bit of a bad girl. And you remember that she stole two beers from her parents. And you remember watching her drink them because he was too scared to drink them in case they got caught.

20:51You remember dancing with his sister and banging his head against the wall and cutting it. And these are all memories that seem to be perfectly normal. But most importantly, I remember the German kindergarten. I remember the teacher and how she looked. She was very nice to me and had a very long wavy brown and gray hair. She looked like she swallowed a tie around her waist and she was heavy set. I remember being introduced to my first gummy bear and how I thought they were the coolest thing ever. Being in the most... Yeah, it's very much like this. Being an American and being the physically biggest kid in the class. I was sort of a class celebrity and the center of attention. So two things, right? One, you've noticed that even as a child, like... And he was a little bit... He's the biggest one in the room. Yeah, you've spotted it. You've spotted it. Like, yeah, this is a pattern of Andy remembering that he was, in fact, far cooler and more popular than his classmates might have remembered.

21:59And even that they might have thought at the time. And he's jarring, but like, there will be a pattern of this. And also, even as a very young child, apparently he was a misogynist that was obsessed with... With his weight. But never mind. I remember the mini pool they had outside. It was only about a foot deep, but we were all stripped down to our underwear. And when it was warm outside, we'd go for a swim. I remember all of these things. But when it comes to the American school that I supposedly went to in the afternoon, I don't remember anything. So that fit was written in shouting language. So this is going to happen, I'm afraid. I have no memory of the other class. I have no memories of the other building. I have no memories of what any friends, people or teachers, no memory of even going to another school. What I do remember is an air base. I remember as I was walking up to it for the first time.

22:59It was a huge place with a big chain link fence around it. There were airplanes and miles and miles of cement. And I don't remember the man who was walking with me. But I do remember, I'm going to stop this because it happens a lot. I do remember asking him, why are you taking me here? And he answered, because of your father. But my father was in the Navy. Why are you taking me to an air base? I asked again. And the man answers, son, all branches of the military work very closely together. But he's no longer in the Navy, I answered. And he said, we're doing this as a kind of special favor to your father. Why, I asked, because we take care of our own, he says, as his tone has changed. And then he said, you sure do ask a lot of questions, you little shit. I remember this hurt my feelings because I was trying not to be a little shit. I just wanted to know why they were taking me to this strange place.

24:03I don't remember being inside of the air base. All I remember is the inside of the doctor's room and examining room. They made me strip down to my underwear and sit on this shini metal table. You spoke shini, shinny, and ny. I remember the table being very cold, so cold that I asked if I could move or get off of it. And a big moving voice shouts out, do not move. I do not speak unless you are spoken to. So I sat there with goosebumps over my legs. And I hear movement behind me and I hear, is this the kid? And the man comes home, no. There is a naked child sat on the table in the fucking medical room. Is this the kid? No, by sheer coincidence, I was in here with another naked child. But we will get the subject in a second, fucking ridiculous. It is almost as if it is written by somebody who is like a bad fiction writer and not alive someone who is actually experiencing it, but never mind.

25:07And the man comes over and starts examining me with his hands and with a stethoscope. And it is my knee with a rubber hammer. That is all I remember. I was five years old, another school. What I do remember is an air base. I don't know why he has put that again, but he has. I remember as I was walking up to it for the first time that it was a huge place with a big chain link fence around it, which is just repeated it. Now interestingly, if you take all the shouty bits out of that paragraph and put them together, it sounds a bit like really bad lyrics from an emo song. So the lyrics would be, I don't remember anything. What I do remember is an air base. I do. Because we take care of our own. Do not move and do not speak unless you are spoken to. What I do remember is an air base. Haunting, I think. Haunting. So anyway. So Andy asks his mom. And this is in real time when he is an adult.

26:07About the military school he went to in Germany as a child. And she said he never went to any military air base for a school in Germany. Really, I said. Then where did I go to school in Germany? I asked her. Some school of the Americas. At the university or something she said. For kindergarten, I said. Mom, that doesn't make any sense. I went to a military base for English school because dad was in the Navy, right? Don't be ridicules. I think that's supposed to be ridiculous. I'm your mother and I know where and when you went to school she says. Okay. Then what was the name of the school in Germany that I went to mom? And she thinks and thinks. And she can't remember the name. And we proceed to have a huge argument about this. And she finally walks away and says that she doesn't want to talk about it anymore. Andy then asks his dad. When I asked my father if he knew where I went to school in Germany, he replied,

27:07sure, the McGraw-Cassan Army troop air base. And when I asked about the examinations, he replied, we were told by a doctor that you had a heart man or a heart noise. It was nothing serious, but they wanted to examine me several times anyway. The thing is that later on after I graduated college, I went to see a cardiologist because I'd been having chest pains for years from massive steroid injections that they'd given me in my freshman year in college. I developed arthritis in the cartilage between my ribs from my rib cage expanding so fast from the steroids. What steroids? You might be saying, well, did this all will be explained. So apparently this McGraw-Cassan was a prominent US military garrison located in Munich, Germany. So rather than a standalone tree pair base, it was situated in the southern district of the Obergrieg-Gazig-Fan-Segni-Garten along, oh, fucking hell, Tegernerser Landstrasse. I think that's probably perfect.

28:09It served as a major command, administrative and logistical intelligence hub for the US Air Forces from 1945 until its closure in 1992. Now interestingly, so this is where it went to school. The complex was originally constructed by the Nazi party between 1935 and 1937. And it was built to house the Reich-Zigemun-Stijre, which functioned as the primary quartermaster material procurement and quality control office for Nazi uniforms and equipment. So he went to school in the place that processed all the Nazi equipment and uniforms essentially. Now in 1976, when he went there, the Kim DeGarten was for the active. However, now this is where they could both be right. The parents could both be right because it's important to distinguish it's physical location. The Kim DeGarten and schools are not located in the administrative site of McGraw-Curseen itself, but rather on site, which is basically within the closely connected per-lacher-forced American housing area, which is roughly a ten-minute walk

29:12or a short drive away. So actually, that confusion could be that basically they just went to different buildings or something like that. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. What matters is that Andy is remembering things and he's getting different stories from different parents, and frankly, according to him, as well, neither of them quite add up. So in 1976, they moved back to New Jersey, and he starts the first grade. But he's held back a year at the request of his mother, because his mother thinks, according to Andy, that being the oldest in class will give him a massive advantage. And I've got no idea whether that's true or not, to be quite honest, but hey, no. Now, there is one absolute tragedy about moving to New Jersey in 1976, other than the fact that you're moving to New Jersey, is the fact that they don't get to meet Bruce Springsteen,

30:13because unfortunately, in 1976, Bruce Springsteen was locked in a really brutal legal battle that basically legally barge in from entering any recording studio. And it's like, you can imagine it, like following the massive success of Born to Run, he's having to spend the entirety of 1976, not able to creatively follow that up, and he's spending the entire time on the road aggressively touring to survive financially and basically. Now, obviously, during that time, he was writing the songs that would ultimately become the 1978 masterpiece Dark with someone there to town. But the important point to take away from this is that Andy Piro never met Bruce Springsteen. So he... To be fair, I was expecting a Bon Jovi joke then. No, it's something. New Jersey has got enough problems with that being associated with John Bon Jovi. So anyway, in 1979, when I was in fourth grade,

31:14Andy's given an IQ test. Can you guess what the IQ test showed when he was in fourth grade? That he was a fucking genius. Absolutely spot on, that he was a genius, and it shocks everybody, because he describes himself as, he was always thought of as the dumb muscle-bound jock, which is an incredible way of damning yourself. It's a humble brag. Even within, if they come on, man. Do you want to know what age he is when he's considered the muscle-bound dumb jock? 12. 10. 10. Does he feel anybody would know or notice? Oh, come on. I was always far the biggest kid in the... Well, to be fair, all the other kids were nine. So that is... Right. Technically, he's an entire... Over a tenth older than them, like that.

32:15Anyway. So as far... I was far as the biggest kid in class, and the best athlete. Oh, yeah. However, I had a severe stuttering problem, and I was considered to be the class idiot, because I never spoke, and I never did well in school. Again, the important thing to take away from here is that if people remember Andy from school as being a bit thick, they were wrong, because he was secretly a genius. Now, obviously, the test is dismissed, because when you get a kid testing as a genius that you previously thought was stupid, you throw that test away and just carry on. Like, he claims that none of the teachers thought that he was possible, and no matter how many times he retook it, they always dismissed this as impossible, and so it was never recorded that Andy was a genius. And that's why he doesn't get his flowers, essentially. March 1981, my mother enrolls me in the Silver Mine Control course,

33:18and this is where I first remember meeting the Men in Uniform. The Silver Mine Control method is a sort of self-hidnosis course, where you learn to dive down in the deep levels of your mind. You learn things like how to heal your body with your mind, relax, action, techniques, ways to focus your concentration, and melt spoons with your mind, things like that. That's a fairly casually dropped in, isn't it? Like, I'll go tell you that right, from somebody that was a clinical hit with therapists for a long time, two of those four things are not things that can be done with hypnosis, healing yourself, and bending spoons, because frankly, if that could be done, you wouldn't see me. I'd just be surrounded by, like, destroyed cutlery, and gleefully giggling away to myself. But it's not a thing. So, you may have heard of it.

34:19Anyway, one of the course, we learn to go to our level, a relaxed state of mind, in which the basis of the Silver Method, a relaxed state of mind, which is the basis, so he's put basis as opposed to basis. I'm going to point out every single one of these, Andy, that's what you get for making me read this shit. I was extremely good at all of the things that we were doing for some reason, right from the start. Children who were 11 years old are very cruel to each other, and what happened was that the whole class as a group would close their eyes and practice going to your level. But as I came out of my level, I would open my eyes and find that the whole class was turned around in their chairs, and they'd been watching me for 15 to 20 minutes. They'd been watching my rapid eye movements, my body, and my technique. As I came out of it, they all began laughing at me. The instructor, however, was praising me, like I was the next God's gift to mankind, telling me that I was the greatest student that he's ever seen. Oh, that's cool.

35:21So the silver method, right? It's a real thing. It's a self-help and meditation program developed by Jose Silver. It claims to increase in individual abilities, and individual abilities through relaxation. It can improve the intelligence quotient, use the mind to heal the body, develop higher brain functions and psychic abilities, such as clairvoyance. So it's mostly bollocks. Anyway, it has variously been classified as a self-religion, a new religious movement, a cult, and has also been criticised as complete pseudo-scientific nonsense. The method emphasises shifting from the active, higher alert, beta state into the relaxed alpha state, and at this frequency, mental resistance drops, allowing for better subconscious reprogramming. That's just essentially how those works. That sounds quite clever, but it's not. Same thing happens when you watch in the tele. It's the repetitive action of doing something that you know. They give you have been driving along and listening to something, some musical, whatever, and then you realise, oh, Christ, I'm there already.

36:22I've got to my destination. You've slipped out of the sort of alpha consciousness, you have to beat unconsciousness, and essentially you're just driving along on autopilot. That's where we get the expression autopilot. And the idea with hypnosis is this opens the subconscious mind, and you can speak directly to it and influence it, either through scripts or by eliciting the response through idiometers, making thumbs move, things like this, and therefore you can get to the bottom of problems. So, but unlike traditional meditation that seeks to empty the mind, the silver method uses meditation actively to solve problems and manifest goals. So practitioners use this idea of mental visualisation to replace negative patterns with positive habits and physical healing. So it's kind of like a sort of hypnotic, a cognitive behaviour therapy type thing, but it's, you know, it's, I'll put it this way, if it worked, everyone would be doing it. Not saying that hypnosis doesn't work, I'm saying that this doesn't work.

37:23So they have this thing called the 3-2-1 countdown, a step-by-step method to enter the alpha state. Practitioners visualise the number three times from the physical relaxation, number two, three times from the mental relaxation, and number one to enter their centre. They have this thing called the three finger technique, we were a physical anchor where you bring your thumb, index, and middle fingers together. I've heard of that before. This acts as a condition trigger to immediately access the alpha state during your daily life. Oh, that's not the context that I heard of it. And then they have the three scenes technique. A three step visualisation exercise used for problem solving or healing. You visualise the current problem exaggerated, and the action taken to fix it, and finally the resolved ideal outcome. It should have caught this, um, to my mind, he's missed a trick, really, because if you get all three of the three techniques together, surely that should be called the gold standard of the silver method. But, you know, he didn't come to me for marketing advice,

38:26and, uh, that was his downfall.