Decision Of The Lindsay Clancy Case

0:00Well, on this Friday, we officially have an answer. The Lindsay Clancy Murder Case has officially ended just minutes ago in a mistrial. The case as of right now set to be retried. Dominic Carter here with you, want to hear what you have to say about these developments on this Friday, 8489222 phone lines are open right now, 8489222. I am starting with a programming note with election day just two months away, election day midterms, just two months away now. President Trump and the RNC kicking off the first ever midterm convention, it's going to be in Dallas, Texas next week. And that's where my show will be broadcasting from the entire week.

1:02In Dallas, I will be there and we will have all the developments starting Sunday night when I'll be live with you folks America from Dallas. And so before we get to the case of the mistrial now officially of Lindsay Clancy, I do want to mention something that's proven to be quite interesting. So we had earlier this week, earlier this week, NYPD forced to use deadly force with that mentally ill woman that charged towards them holding two knives after she had stabbed two people fatally, two people stabbed two people, one of them fatally. And now the NYPD just stays later has been forced to use deadly force again. This time a man on the Brooklyn bridge and here's what an NYPD official had to say. The officers on the bridge engage in verbal dialogue with the male for almost hour explaining they were there to help and try and convince them to come safely down from the bridge.

2:10They observed that the male was holding a knife and he stated to them, I want to die, I want you to kill me, I have a bomb, you're not going to make me do something better to the cops. For this prolonged period, officers continue to try to convince the male to safely get off the bridge while also issuing multiple verbal commands for him to drop the knife. After about an hour, hundreds of feet above the East River, the male began to quickly descend the cable of the bridge towards the officers. When the male got within approximately three feet from the closest member of the issue, he raises on with the knife extended outward towards the officer. At that point, a member of the issue who was on the road of the bridge discharged his weapon one time striking the male. The officers then brought the male down from the cable and began rendering aid. He was transported to Bellevue Hospital and where he was pronounced deceased. So these cases come mighty close to being suicide by cop. It's really unfair to put these law enforcement officers in these positions dealing with mentally disturbed, mental illness.

3:16It's just not fair, it's not right. The case went all the way to the Massachusetts Supreme Court and a request by defense counsel to block the mistrial by the defense counsel was denied. Let's start with your telephone calls, 800-848-9222. Let's begin with line one, Chris, in Connecticut, Chris, what's on your mind? Just quickly, I'm glad there was a mistrial, but I found a defense attorney, I know he's advocating for his client, but I found that he actually said an open court that that one juror committed perjury and lied to the judge based on law enforcement.

4:18What evidence? Other than a note from the foreman that he wasn't applying the law correctly, if I had the facts that I understand them, I could easily found that she had the criminal culpability to be found guilty of murder. I found that. But Chris, but that's your opinion. Apparently, we don't know officially. Apparently, 11 other jurors were close to acquitting this woman. That's your opinion. The one person that held out wanted to vote guilty, and you have to commend that person for holding out. But it's a matter of opinion, and I will just say this, Chris, before I give you the final say, before I move on to the next call. One of the problems when you have cameras in the courtroom is lawyers, defense counsel, prosecutors, and the judge. They play to the live camera. And so, wouldn't you expect defense counsel to do everything in their power to get his client off acquitted?

5:24Wouldn't you expect that, Chris? Let me be clear, I commend that juror as well as you do for his position and not to be intimidated. But I understand that the defense counsel has to advocate for his client to the degree that he may have. However, with all the notoriety of this case and with the people outside and the almost insane people the way they're treating this case, I feel bad for that juror. Because he may be subject to intimidation as at least that courtroom and for the future for the rest of his life for all I know. I just found that a little bit that defense counsel should have been, I don't know, reprimanded or something. No, I respectfully disagree with you, Chris. I think the man did his job and did his job well. It is his job to do everything that's legal to get his client off.

6:28And whether you like him or not, the man was a pit bull in the courtroom and you have to give him credit. Thank you for the call, Chris. Some of the theatrics, Chris just brought up that he didn't really appreciate defense counsel and I hear you. I hear you, Chris, but I want you to listen to some of the theatrics right before the judge declared a mistrial and that this was when he was going to go that is the defense counsel, the defense lawyer to the Massachusetts Supreme Court hoping to block the judge from declaring a misuse. From declaring a mistrial, that was never going to happen. But here are some of the theatrics between defense counsel, the prosecutor and the judge. And in addition, and finally, I would ask that you not just give them as I described it yesterday, a soft inquiry where you listen to my instructions. I would ask that you specifically direct their attention to proof beyond a reasonable doubt and re-instruct them on that forcefully.

7:33Did they yesterday, didn't they? Yes. You did it yesterday. You did it soft. You didn't do it forcefully. I'm asking maybe what you want me to do. I want to get a brass band. I read the instruction as written by the SJC. The fact that I perhaps didn't give it my full inflection. I'm sorry about that. I'm not an actor. I've just given the instructions. Well, my point, Judge, simply is that you're kind of glossing over the issue. The issue is this juror will not, according to that note, apply the law of reasonable doubt. And that's why I've requested, you know what I've requested. Right. I know what I've been. But it just in case the records go, I am specifically not glossing over this issue. I have thought about this issue long enough. I know the definitive jacks, but the characterization that I'm glossing over it, trust me. That's not the situation. I've been thinking about this for quite a while.

8:37So that's my, that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to just give that instruction, as I said, that they have to follow follow my instructions. I'm not going to reiterate the reasonable doubt at this point. It may come to that again, as we go through it. And I'll try and give this with more pizzazz than I gave yesterday, I suppose. But so with that, we're bringing a jury back in and I'll ask the questions. I'll give those kind of that instruction and we'll send it back on. Now folks, I'm not citing one way or the other here. And I'll tell you what my opinion is on the case a bit later. But look at it this way. If your defense counsel and your mighty close to getting a, an acquittal, if that's the case, if that's the case, right, emphasis a third time, if that's the case. But there's one hold out that's demanding guilty. You're going to do everything humanly possible.

9:44It's, you have to understand when you're in that courtroom, it's not about what's right and wrong morally. It's about you've been hired. You're a hired gun. Get the job done. Period. That's, that's the bottom line. And so that's why the defense counsel was screaming bloody murder because I'm sure in his wildest dreams, he never thought that he could get an acquittal in this case. And he was right there except for one juror. And so that's why he was willing to throw everything and the kitchen sink at the judge and to anybody that would listen. Let's go to Maria line three, statin island, Maria, what's on your mind? First, I love you, Dominic. Thank you, Maria. Love going right back at you. I have more like a question. So postpartum depression, because you know what happened? I had a sub-watching it because I have kids and I can't even fathom what she did.

10:50But postpartum depression, the way over with now, right? So what good is it going to do her to be in a mental institution if her postpartum depression is gone? Wait, wait, wait, wait, let's go one at a time. Are we a hold your second question for a second? So you said what is it going to do if the postpartum depression is gone? Well, the fact of the matter is we live in a society of laws. And if she committed murder, she's got to be held accountable for that. I'm putting postpartum to the side if that's possible. Okay, your second point. Go ahead, please. Well, but that's what I'm saying. Why go to a mental facility if your if your depression is gone? You know, she should be held accountable. She killed her kid. She admitted she killed her kid. She should be in jail. Right. Oh, I got you. I hear you now. Go ahead, Maria. I hear you now. Yeah, I don't understand what good is it for your mental institution for what reason she's not mental. It's gone.

11:56Right, but Maria, but God forbid, and I know you're going to say you would never be in this position. But God forbid, you are iron that position. Would you rather go to a maximum security prison or would you rather go to a mental institution? Which one would you rather go to? The mental institution? Yeah, I mean, if I let me say something, which is another thing I was going to say to you, I started to watch it and I had to stop because that woman has no remorse in her eyes whatsoever. So getting back to your question of what I would want to be if if if I realized that I killed my kids, I would want somebody to shoot me dead on the spot. I wouldn't want to live not it not in a mental institution nor in a jail just freaking kill me. I hear you, Maria, I got to take a break. Thank you for the wonderful call and the love going right back out at you. And to Maria's point, you know, I've been trying not to really think about this and what exactly happened.

13:05Who knows maybe is PTSD on my part from my childhood. I'm being honest with you. And so then when I start thinking about the fact to strangle someone to take the breath, the breath away from them and their children, think about that for a second. It is time for break. We are coming right back. And we're back and I see your telephone calls. I was so looking forward to next week being before the women's national Republican club in Midtown to talk 9, 11, but duty comes first. And I will be broadcasting all next week from Dallas, Texas as president Trump and the Republicans, the RNC off holding the first time ever. This is history and the making a midterm convention. And it's next week. I believe next Wednesday and Thursday.

14:05I will be there effective Sunday night broadcasting from Dallas, Texas. I hope you will join us at the women's national Republican club next week will be professor Alan Gershowitz. I know he is going to do a outstanding job. Let's go to Judith and Brooklyn line three Judith. What's on your mind? Dominic, thanks for taking my call. I hope you don't get the wrong idea when I'm calling about this and I don't know if I'll get pushed back from the whole world, but I have to be honest. I just heard your call before Marie, okay, as a woman. And she goes and she says that this Lindsey, her eyes show no remorse, whatever. I have to say this. This Lindsey probably is have I'm presuming she's heavily drug, all right, I'm presuming it when people on heavily drug, then they are numb. They're deliberately numb from feeling from emotion. And she's paralyzed. I bet she she even would like to kill herself right now. I'm sure of it somewhere in that head of hers or whatever. But her life as far as I'm concerned, and she probably feels it is just about over.

15:12She tried to kill herself, by the way, she did. She tried to kill herself. And I don't I'm very torn about this case because on the one hand, she, you know, she was a nurse very caring to have these children. She was crying for help. They were giving her all kinds of different drugs, different doctors not conferring with each other where when you make a cocktail of all these drugs, diagnosed what, how this and changes the brain. I know, and you know, I don't understand psychosis. I don't understand. It's so for any I don't understand any of the stuff, but there is such a thing. And therefore I'm not there to be able to judge. Okay, I can't I can't judge it because honestly, I can't understand her frame of mind. If she was completely insane, then I don't know how to I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. I can't say that I have to, you know, it's not for me to judge her. But I just feel that sometimes people are just very harsh and they have to understand that this woman was crying for help. She was drugged beyond belief. She's crazy. Could be.

16:19And therefore I really don't know how to judge this. But as far as her sitting in the court, you what you probably are sitting now is a very drugged up woman deliberately sitting there where she has where it drugs up her emotions and everything. So it's not that I'm defending her. I'm just saying factually, I believe that this is what's happening. I I don't know, Dominic and I don't know your mother was schizophrenic. Would she responsible when did she know what she was doing? Do you think? It's one of the reasons Judith to be honest with you. I got to take a break. Thank you for the call. I have to pick this back up on the other side. It's one of the reasons why I didn't pay attention to this trial intentionally considering the fact that my mother tried to murder me as a as a baby. And that's why I was placed in foster care in the New York City system. So it hit a little too close to home for me. I'm going to deal with Judith's point when we come back. So we just spoke live to Judith and Judith and brought up some excellent points. What I would like to add to Judith's comment is that the first thing that defense lawyers tell their clients to piggyback on Judith's point is they tell them no reaction in the courtroom, not to anything that judge does, not to

17:45anything, especially that the prosecutor does, not to the jury do not react because you can hang yourself if there is a reaction. That's why and nine and a half out of 10 cases, criminal cases, you don't see any reactions from the defendant. Sometimes people lose their court, they're cool and they'll act emotionally. So full disclosure up until recently, I intentionally ignored this case. Perhaps because it's a trigger for me, if you pick up my book, no, Mama's boy, I'm not saying you got to go buy the book. If you go to the library, if you get you'll see that many of the things that occurred in this trial actually happened in my life where I don't repeat this, but it's in full. We got to give context in this case where my mother is a power noise gets a fronk heard voices telling her to throw me out of a six floor window and she indeed plan to do exactly that.

18:51One of the times I was hospitalized at a Harlem hospital because neighbors as a baby is a, I guess a toddler neighbors hurt me crying because what happened to these kids, my mother was choking me out as a toddler. And so intentionally, I guess because it's a trigger up until about a week and a half ago, I intentionally ignored this case. But as a journalist, the job goes forward and you have to deal with it until now, I'm up to speed on the case. Let's go back to your telephone call. Steve, a line three Tennessee. What's on your mind, Steve? She Lindsay is not the victim. Those poor little three little children are victims. This relationship being turned upside down all over this country is tearing us apart. So now postpartum of depression, are you completely minimizing that? I don't think she's a dead gum victim whatsoever. No, you didn't answer my question. You didn't answer my question. Don't duck the question. It is postpartum depression, not an issue at all.

20:00It listen, if you're going to say she's not a victim, fine, but just answer the question on postpartum. No, I don't think postpartum is a, is it relation at all? Is this Walter from Baltimore? Or it's not? Okay. All right. You sure sound like him. Thank you for the call. Let's go to Janet. Line four in Pennsylvania. Janet. What's on your mind? Yes. Good afternoon. I'm a first time caller. I want to thank you so much for taking my call. And Dominic, I just want to say I have such enormous respect for you, for your personal testimony and all the struggles you went through and how you overcame and became a beautiful success. Well, it was an easy now. It wasn't easy. Let me just say this, Janet. So when when Judith just mentioned, I'm not a phony. So I'm always going to tell you the truth. When Judith mentioned, she's probably on all these different drugs. I can relate because one day, you know, I, I, I make this real quick, Janet, because I want to hear from you.

21:03My entire life, I wanted my mother to go away and to die. And then when she died, I just wanted to pain to go away. And then when she died, I almost had a complete full nervous breakdown. And I'm on TV live every night. And I got to perform the bottom line is you want the big bucks. You want this nice sweet contract. You better be able to perform period. No excuses. So now I can't I wake up one day. I can't get out of bed. I'm in bed for three to four days. Don't brush my teeth. Nothing. I now realize I'm depressed. So now I have to go see a psychiatrist psychologist. They put me on one drug and I'm going to press it. Next thing you know, Janet, I've got a bag full of pills and they're telling me, well, this will do this. And you counteract this drug with this drug and that drug contracts this drug. And this is a true story, Janet. This drug, if you have sex, you won't be able to finish. So just be aware you won't be able to finish. If you have sex. And sure enough, this is too much information. Sure enough, that's exactly what happened. And so I had to get rid of all of these drugs. So I can relate to what Judith just said, but Janet, your first time caller. I want to give you the floor. Go right ahead.

22:17Well, my question to you is for every trial, there are always alternate jurors. Yes. And I know they step in if a juror became ill or for whatever reason, but in this case, rather than, you know, declare a mistrial and drag this out again and revict the minds. Everyone, why can't they use one of these alternate jurors to step in, remove the one the loan. You know, jurors that's holding everything up, remove that one, put in one of the alternate and see if they can come to a resolution that way as opposed to restarting in a new trial. And you know, not to mention the money, forget the money, but revictimizing everyone again is just, I don't know. Well, Janet, you're raising, you're raising some excellent points. And I want to hear from you again in the future. Great call first time caller. So let's deal one at a time. And I'm very good at this, having covered the courts for a number of years. The problem is, you can't just throw an alternate juror in there.

23:25I've actually covered a case, the Menendez trial in at federal court in Newark, New Jersey, what they want to get rid of a juror and put in an alternate and the judge resist it. You can't do it because if you put in an alternate, you got to go way back and start deliberations all over again, because that juror, that alternate juror that is now a juror, they have to get up to speed. So this case was already contentious enough a number of days of deliberations. And so we're going to start it all over from scratch. Now one, one could say that's still better than a new trial. And yes, it is. But, but it, it would be it, first of all, is going to open up all types of appeals from either side. And, and if you're the prosecutor, right, Janet, and you know you're losing this case, you're holding on for dear life. You want this mistrial so you can get another another bite at the apple. You don't want this thing to, to, to deliberations to continue because what happens if they come back and say not guilty, then you lost the entire case.

24:30So you can't just throw an alternate in there and say, okay, hit the ground running. You have to hit the reset button and they have to start deliberations all over again. You brought up a second point, Janet. Yeah. No, that was a point. Okay, that was your point. Okay. So what do you think about this case? What does your heart tell you? It's very complex, very, very complex. My heart goes out to all the women and men that are suffering from any kind of anxiety, a depression, bipolar, postpartum. I mean, there's a whole laundry list here that anybody can fit into and have, you know, if you have complications with taking a particular medicine because say you're diabetic or say you have high blood pressure or say you're, you know, whatever. And you have all this complication with side effects and whatnot. Is this so much? It's just complex. It's just very complex. But my heart goes out to all the women that are out there suffering as well as men.

25:37And for the children because these children, you know, they must have been suffering all along in silence. I agree. It overnight she flipped. You know, somebody had to have seen this coming, you know, it just, that's what I can't wrap my head around like where was her mother, where was her father, her friends. You know, all you have to do is, you know, if you talk to your wife and you're at work and you're at home and she's had a bad day, you could hear it in her voice. A voice will drop. You know, people who knew her or knew her well, had to have seen, you know, something is coming and it's disturbing. And why wasn't there intervention before all of this had to happen? I bet that's what fair enough. That's what bothers me the most. Fair enough, Janet. Thank you for the wonderful call. Want to hear from you in the future. And of course, let's not forget the three children. Let's go to Chris and Beth page.

26:37Line three. Chris, what's on your mind? Dominic, I'm so sorry, but I've never been angrier in my life about any decision in the court and what's going on. I'm sorry. I lost three good friends to suicide. That emotional problems. Really good friends killed themselves. Okay. I lost another friend who died when a drunk driver who we found out was depressed and emotional and decided to drink. Get behind the wheel of a car and kill my friend. Okay. I never want to hear that as an excuse. This woman belongs. Forget. We're not the death penalty anymore. I'm sorry. But this woman belongs in a jail forever period and a story. She should have listened. Nobody took it. It's nobody's fault, but hers. It's 1,000 percent on her. I don't want to hear anymore. It's not complex. This thing. She killed three innocent little. Okay. So wait, wait, Chris. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's law a little bit, Chris. So frankly, it doesn't matter what you are. I want to hear. So you're, are you telling me, Chris?

27:37That postpartum depression that you don't believe that's real. Wait, you can't have it both ways. So what, what are you telling me? That's absolutely real. But did you see what the actress Hayden Panthearo just passed away? She had postpartum depression. She felt she was going to kill her child. So you know what she did? She gave it away. Thank God to the husband or the father of the kid. She didn't raise the kid. The father raised the kid. Now she ended up killing herself eventually. She just died 36. But I'm like, that's the way I never want to hear about this again. It's my point. Okay. Okay. But Chris, but Chris, here, here's where I feel a little guilty. Do you, I as men, do we have a right to even really comment on this? We're not women. We have no idea what it's like. Dominic, 75% of people that commit suicide are men. More men have emotional and disturbed pumps. 75% kill themselves. Okay. Just think about that. So men do have emotional issues and they end up killing themselves. Some people don't kill themselves. Unfortunately, that should because they become raising alcohol. Explain me. I lived with one.

28:45I had a lot of emotional problems and used to beat the crap out of me and my brother. I'm just saying that's. I'm sorry to hear that. No, but that's true. It's what happened. So maybe I'm in a different spot. I'm 63 right now. So and maybe I go up in a different generation. But to hear what's going on and the worst thing Dominic and it kills me more than anything is these women that are supporting her. Three young innocent people lost their lives. Those babies. So Chris, I feel your pain and I hear what you're saying. But answer this for me. Why do you think the women are supporting her? Yeah, because I'll tell you why they're supporting her. They feel right. It's a real thing post-parmada depression and they feel that she. Well, some of the wacky women, if you hear them, one post-nerly show, he plays it all the time. There's one woman who thinks the husband was involved. So some of them are wacked out. First of all, no, no, no, no, no. You know, many women I've heard say they believe the husband. That's not wacky. A number of women have said they think the husband was somehow involved in this. So I so.

29:49See what I'm trying to say Chris, it's all in the eyes of the holder and we have to try and be objective. And so I again, I'm sorry for what you went through you and your brother, I believe you just said. And I feel exactly where you're coming from. I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm not saying that Judith is right. I'm not saying that anybody's right. I'm just telling you that this whole thing, this whole case was just too close for comfort. For comfort for me, but I'm forced to deal with it. This case goes right up there for me doing this for 40 years. I can cover anything is I've said before, except for a child's funeral. I cannot take those little coffins. I can't walk in the room. I can't walk up. I can't do it. And this case, this case comes mighty close to that for me, but I hear you Chris, you made some some excellent points there. Let's go to Pamela line one new jersey Pamela. What's on your mind?

30:53Yeah, I'm rather shocked at a lot of people's responses to this calling women wacky. I mean, we went through a whole era. Let's think about glorious dynam just dying and that era of women being treated like, Oh, are you on the rag just because they had an opinion. So now we got this going on and you know what postpartum psychosis is real. And you just don't snap out of it like share with in a moon struck telling a cage to snap out of it. And if she looks like she's not responding, it could be the medication and or what you said about you're not supposed to respond. And she's probably in a huge state and doesn't even know where she is. So now I've also heard from experts that you can and we know that from psychotic killers that they can plot and they can think about it because the their ideation, their thinking is all screwed up, but they still have the ability to think of things.

31:58Now we don't know all the nuances of this case and you know what in something so bizarre and horrible will never know the full impact of what was going on in her brain. And the fact that I'm hearing stuff that I haven't heard since the 60s. Oh, she's wackado. These women are wackado, wackado. And as a postcardum doesn't exist. Well, what about that nice wielding woman? They didn't see that coming. That was a psychotic episode. You know, in bipolar, you can have a psychotic episode. That's part of bipolar, but postpartum depression is its own little illness. And Pamela, I got to take a break. Thank you for the call, but you just rattled me a little bit. What if it's postpartum and paranoid schizophrenia because that explains the voices and folks you can dismiss it. I can poo poo it all you want to. I am telling you firsthand experience for chronic paranoid schizophrenia for paranoid schizophrenia. These voices in their heads are as real as real gets and they act on them. It is time for a break. We are coming right back.

33:14And the title to towers foundation final thoughts of the day. I got to be straight with you folks with this case. I don't master choose it on a personal level. The entire time I just wanted it to go away. I just I didn't want to pay attention to it. I didn't want to hear the headlines. I didn't want to look at it. I just wanted it to go away. And the first time caller a few minutes ago she said that I was brave. It's funny because most of my life I don't look at myself for what I had to go through. It's all in the book, including very embarrassing details that I don't talk about on the radio. I don't look at myself as brave because I hate it. My mother for almost 40 years of my life. And I run from myself. Thank God I ran towards success and not total destructive behavior. And it was only when Oprah Winfrey came a calling to tell my story in her magazine that I let down the guard and stop running from myself.

34:16But I thank you for that. So I'm looking at my Twitter at my ex the lovely Debbie libato Debbie this summer has come is coming gone. And I haven't had your excellent food. I haven't had a chance to talk to your husband. What's going on with that Debbie. Debbie says dominate that woman should definitely pay the price of murder. Whether she's put to death or put in a maximum security prison or a mental institution. She will suffer the consequences in her spirit for the rest of her life. And sometimes that is worse than death. And then she goes on to say those doctors failed Lindsey. Do you know my friend got pregnant and one doctor told her to abort her child because of her postpartum condition in the past. This is real and must be paid attention to as more as much as a serious condition as more of a serious. It's no joke. Menopause to very, very interesting. Let's go to Lynn line three Hudson Valley. Lynn. What's on your mind?

35:16Hi, Dominic. I thought I'd share also that I had the same experience as you. I had a paranoid schizophrenic mother who I was older and you know paranoid schizophrenia is. Is a real problem because people appear to be very rational a lot of the time agree and yeah and so they do act rationally so but that's why I tend towards the judgment of in this Lindsey case of well you know she's probably psychotic. But you know you can't you can't really tell what they're going to do and my mother I know she loved me and when I was sick but she did try to bite me weirdly you know when I was 16 am I my younger brother interdeens nothing happened but there's something that goes through them that is that controls them and I'm not going to do that.

36:23They're just crazy and so you know in that case I just thought I'd share since I heard you say that that you were a baby and you had to be taken away from your mother but they are dangerous and you can't tell where they're coming from. But I think that people are right to be angry obviously because of the victims of those three kids and there is a legitimacy to the state making people criminally responsible because one of the three prongs is vengeance of the state for crime. So but then there is also excuse. Right. Hey Lynn I Lynn please give me a call next week I'll have more time I have to step in because I'm out of time folks I hope you join me starting Sunday night from Dallas I'll be in Dallas all week long. America's heroes need to help now do good and they're honored by donating $11 a month go to t2t.org.

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