Death Bed Visions

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3:01Heavenly Hugs, Comfort, Support, and Hope from the afterlife. Carla has been investigating spirituality and other related phenomenon for over a decade. Her major radio show appearances have been dedicated to topics ranging from near-death experiences after death communication, deathbed visions, and premonitions. She is considered to be one of the leading researchers into deathbed visions. Thank you for coming on to the podcast. You're very welcome. Thanks for inviting me. Your book, Heavenly Hugs, is sort of all about deathbed visions and that kind of thing. Can you tell us what a deathbed vision is? A deathbed vision has been found since who knows when. I'm working on another book where I'm having to do research, historical, archaeological research into this stuff.

4:01And I'm amazed to find how far back these accounts can be found. I'll give you an example. There is this rabbi and he was getting ready to cross over to pass. And so he was laying on his deathbed. And all of a sudden, he saw his teacher and he saw his father at his bedside. Now, they had preceded him in death. That's an example of a departing vision. That's just one kind. Another kind would be the type I had with my sister who passed away a couple of months ago. I had this strange dream where she had come to me and she had her backpack on and the shoes she always wore and the cords she always wore and she said, okay, I'm going to go now. I know it's sort of like, wow, you're so cocky. You know, I guess some things

5:01never change or invading my dreams. And then, later on that afternoon, we received a call but yes, she had indeed moved on. So those are just two types of departing visions. One is for the person who is getting ready to move on. And one for the person who is at the bedside or who is a dear one or a loved one who survives. Many of us get very confused when we see this stuff or hear this story. And we get very confused when we see this stuff or hear this stuff because our problem is back in the day, this is commonplace. This is not something that was unusual. It was not unusual for somebody who was getting ready to move on to look at astonishment in a corner and then say

6:01to relatives, do you see that? Do you see what I'm seeing? And then describe visions of an afterlife. So when we got into the mechanical air, what happened? The scientific error. We stopped talking about this stuff. We decided it was superstitious. I remember my grandmother and my family on that site is from Russia. And there was just a rich, rich tradition and understanding that this was just the way it was and it was not a big deal and nobody got their feathers rattled. That a departing vision was actually a sign that this dear one was preparing to pass. So in my work, what I do is if I'm dealing with somebody who is not doing well,

7:01when I start hearing about these sorts of experiences, or if they start doing the deathbed stare. The deathbed stare is another type of departing vision which is really misunderstood. There is a friend of mine who has a mother right now who is preparing to pass. And it may be months, it may be weeks, it may be days. And sometimes she's here and sometimes she's not. Well, every once in a while, she'll just stop cold in her tracks and she'll start staring at a corner of the room. My grandmother did this. Stay at the corner of the room and then turn back and have a lucid conversation with the son or the granddaughter or the daughter or the granddaughter or whoever is sitting there at the bedside.

8:01So those are just a few of the types of departing visions that I've been working with for years. It's that classic hospital sort of scenario where somebody's lying in their bed and they start talking to somebody that we can't see. Are there ever scenarios where the people in the room can also see the spirit of the thing? Well, I had one account which was fantastic in my opinion. And yes, there are those experiences. There are those experiences where the person who is preparing to move on suddenly looks towards the door and sees bright light. Or they'll see a deceased relative coming through the door. At the same time, somebody at the bedside will have the same experience. So that's not unusual. That's less reported

9:01because people just don't feel comfortable talking about this stuff. When they try to talk to the medical community about things of this nature, what happens is that either they're put on tranquilizers or put on tranquilizers. So there's a real misunderstanding in the medical community. Thankfully, there are a few folks who have some clout who are breaking this myth. And they've done some research in nursing homes in the VA to show that, look, you know, these things are real and these things are happening in the medical community. I remember when my mother-in-law started having these experiences. Excuse me. I had to take a sip of Pepsi.

10:03I remember my mother-in-law when she was passing and she began to have visions of my father-in-law whom she called and saw the in Russian. It's a pet name. And so she started talking about how saw this here and started having a conversation with him. And the hospice nurse of all the people you would think she would have known better. The hospice nurse went running to the doctor for medication. And we had to escort her so basically what we told her is, look, we know how to do death. That's okay. You can leave. But she started having these experiences where she was talking to Solva and then but she wasn't going to go. Oh, God forbid. No, no, no. She wasn't going to go because she was waiting for something.

11:03And what she was waiting for actually turned up. Her mother who died in the gas chambers of Auschwitz Kasia showed up to take her to the other side. And once Kasia showed up there's this huge healing that took place. It was awesome, awesome to watch. People who have trauma in their history any type of trauma in their history. If they have a departing vision chances are who they're waiting for for a person who might have saved them from the trauma or been there for them during the trauma. That's not unusual. I mean, in this next book I'm working on, I'm working on specifically Holocaust survivors who have had departing visions. And I'm finding that it's not unusual for Holocaust

12:03individuals who are the daughters or granddaughters or great grandchildren of Holocaust survivors. We'll wait. That they will wait. I mean, death is a mystery. There's a lot to it. We just don't know. But unfortunately, we think we know. We think we know. And so we think the right medication is going to take care of it. It was not in pain. She was having a very animated conversation first with her husband. And then with her mother. So, in my opinion, I think that what happens in society is that we get too full of ourselves. I'm going to just be blunt. We get way too full of ourselves. And we think we know it all. And so when we start hearing about afterlife contact events,

13:03a lot of us just kind of poo poo it. You know, it's sort of like, well, that's ridiculous. Or that's, you know, I am the all with all. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that. And it drives me nuts. I'm the all with all. And you don't know what you're talking about. And that could be a hallucination. And it does infuriate me. I'm sorry. I'm just not that healthy to not get infuriated. Especially when it comes to the comfort that these experiences bring. These experiences are near death experiences. Except the person doesn't come back. They don't come back. What happens for them is that they they really do move on. And it actually helps the person in the process of making that transition.

14:03I don't think I answered your question at all. I just asked if there are reports of other people in the room seeing the visiting spirits basically. Oh, let me answer that really quick. There was a guy who I know who was with his relative who was preparing to pass. And all of a sudden there were these, what he described as angels coming down stairs. And he was not the guy who was getting ready to pass. At the same time his relative saw the same thing. And there are accounts. I have tons of accounts where people will see a departed loved one. If not by themselves without, you know, just a visitation. My husband saw his father sitting in our parlor where we have a hundred-year-old house.

15:03And in our parlor after he departed, that's called an after-death communication. A woman at the facility where my father and law was staying also saw this individual. That's an individual experience. But combined experience, yes. It kind of blows the poor person away. Who's the one who's sitting at the bedside when they do see that deceased relative at the same time that their loved one who's transitioning sees this deceased person too. So that's just one of many accounts. Life's busy. Don't let banking slow you down. Whether you're paying bills, setting savings goals, or just splitting the check. Atlantic Union Bank makes managing your money easier.

16:03With helpful people and user-friendly tools, we make sure banking with us fits you. Call, visit us online, or drop into an Atlantic Union Bank branch today. Atlantic Union Bank. Any way you bank. There's also a couple of accounts in your book where people see something rise from the body, some kind of vaipa, or mist or something. That's my favorite topic. And okay. Way back in the day, in the Victorian times, there were these researchers. And a medium ship was really something. I went to Arthur Finley, and I'm a, I'm a, I don't know what I am, but I'm a medium. And I have to have mentorship because my brain is my worst enemy. And so, not only had I received a lot of, a very counts about this,

17:03but at the same time, while studying at Arthur Finley, while studying at Arthur Finley, I read about a lot of accounts like this. I mean, they're so numerous. Previous to that, all I had were the accounts I received from people, after doing a radio show like this, or letters, or people who wanted to participate in one of my books. And so, previous to hearing about all of this historical data, what happened was, my cousin, Yvonne, her mother escaped Eastern Europe, and she made it to the States. Otherwise, she, she wouldn't have survived. And she came here, and she couldn't, she was a practicing dentist, She had a pair of pins.

18:03When they came to this country, they couldn't practice their trade. So, they had to take a step down and do something else. So, she was the dentist and practiced. But when she came to the States, she just, you know, she was a receptionist for my uncle, who was a physician. But, she got very sick very suddenly. And my cousin was with her at that time, and so was her husband. And as the ambulance roared up to the scene, my cousin saw a gray miss leave Antirine's body. Now my uncle did not see this, but Yvonne did, and it made an imprint on her. An imprint is we have an experience like that, and it just sticks with us, it remains

19:03with us. No matter what anybody says, you know, we may not tell anybody about it, but we keep it close to our heart, and we know that it's something real, that it's something. So she had her experience, and then when my father-in-law was preparing to pass, both my sister and I saw a grayish sort of light around him, and my sister, she started telling my father-in-law, who was a die-hard atheist, you know, ex-communist who had escaped the war, and then gone back as a medic and lost a ton of family. She kept saying to him, go to the lights, go to the lights. And then made him so mad, but he was also waiting for something to, before he left. He was waiting for Hanukkah to move on because he knew that my sons really enjoyed that

20:09holiday. A lot of people will hold off on passing because they want to wait for a special date. Many adults recently just did that, and I will think of it later. But he passed on to Friday the 13th after the 10 o'clock news in my husband's arms. It's not uncommon for people to wait until after an anniversary, a holiday, but needless to say, before I go wandering off into the wilderness, my father-in-law was in, I think he was in the hospital, and my husband said that he was going to go spend some quality time with him. And I said, sure, I think that's a great idea. And so when he came back, he said, you're not going to believe this. And he said, I saw swirls of pastel light living in my father's body. And I said, well, that means that he's getting ready to move on pretty soon.

21:11And at that time, as I said, I hadn't really studied these historical accounts. And what I learned when I did that was that there were all sorts of examples, almost like a pair, mere body shape, floating above the body of the person who's getting ready to move on. Of the mist, a lot of accounts of the mist. But the one that was the most fascinating was the body that replicated the human body and then it was standing by the body. There are pictures. I've got them in my other room that artists have painted in the 1400s, where there are these examples of the spirit body, leaving the physical body. Now when you have so many of those from so many different cultures depicting the same thing,

22:18you have to go, hmm, wonder what that's about. When all these different cultures, all these different artists are putting on paint, the same experience at the death bed. It does make one go, hmm. So I love getting these accounts. I absolutely do. In one of my books, I think it's, isn't that terrible? I can't remember my books, senior moment crowd, spiritually transformative experiences. I mean, in that book, I have a whole chapter devoted to the mist experience and how people can often be sitting at the bedside and see something physically leading the body. I was in a meeting years ago and it happened to be in an AIDS coalition building, where a lot of people, it was in the late 80s, early 90s.

23:22There was the Holocaust of AIDS that was just really, really detrimental. When I was sitting there and I saw a mist float across the room, well, a lot of people like to get woo-woo and say, well, that's a ghost and this is this and this is your imagination. I think that that was the spirit of somebody who had received help from the AIDS coalition. Another time, this is kind of a strange story, but I'm going to tell it anyway. I don't think I've ever told it on air. We had this cat who showed up on our front porch and she just showed up and she was old and feeble and she walked right into our house and made herself at home and she had the worst yowl of any animal I've ever owned and she got very, very sick after a few months and

24:25so I had to put her down myself and at the moment I put her down, my husband saw a light of some sort leaving the area of the room where I was putting her down and going out the door. So as I said before, there is so much we don't know about death. I have a friend in Russia who has been working on measuring the size of the spirit forever and ever and he's been poo-pooed a lot too. He'll have confronted him and said that, well, you know, you don't know how many liquids leave the body and the gases that leave the body and the this and the that and he just goes on his business and does what he needs to do. So not everybody sees the mess, I'm going to be really honest about that.

25:25It seems to be something that people will see suddenly, they'll just suddenly notice it and in the moment of the trauma, they'll notice it but they won't get enthralled with it. It's not until after the event that they reflect and they go, wow, what was that? So and as I said, the mist that I have encountered, the mist that I have documented have been pastel, they have been gray, they have been silver, they have been a variety of color and I don't know what to say about that because I don't have the answer to that right now. Hopefully somebody or someone like me will get some get some information on that. I think it's just totally, totally fascinating and it does make sense because this physical

26:29body that we are in, it's carbon and a bunch of water basically. And so it's biological, it's very, very biological and I'll talk to people who have lost a loved one and they won't want to go to the funeral because they don't want to see the corpse because they feel that the corpse won't represent the real person. My mother, when she passed, I remember looking into her coffin, it did not look like her at all. There was no life there. And to from the mouth of babes, I'll never forget when my son, he was 16 years old. His grandmother had died. He told me he wanted to see her body. I said, okay. And we went and took a peek and he said, yeah, that's right, nobody's there.

27:30So he knew nobody was there. No essence, no life essence, no spirit, no soul, no person. The vehicle that carried the soul, the spirit, was going back to earth and that all that was, you know, and that the spirit had vacated the body. So there's something that leaves the body. I am very, very confident in saying that. Another thing I read in the book that I thought was very interesting was when you went to Raymond Moody's and you had something happen to you in the psychomentium. That was, I've been a medium all my life and my mother was a medium and my grandfather was a medium and the only one who didn't get the memo was me. So I'd been having these experiences all my life starting with my mother and I'd

28:33wrestled with it a lot. I met Raymond in San Antonio at an IAN's conference and he is a character. That's all I can say. He really is a character. Well he invited me and maybe four or five other people to his place and I can't remember in the south somewhere. He lived, he lived at that time in a millhouse, an old millhouse that had been transformed into a home and it was right on a river and it was just a beautiful, beautiful setting. And at that time he was studying what was called the psychomentium. The psychomentium was based on the seer going into an ancient times. The seer, the person who's the prophet or above the prophet, going into a cave and staying

29:35there until they had a vision. And so what he did is he built these psychomantiums to kind of replicate that experience. In his house, I think he had, there was one that was made out of blankets and one I went in there, I thought I was going to die because it was so hot, I thought I was going to suffocate. And then there was another one that he had built into his house and then there was one that some mechanically minded person had put together for him and it was upstairs. There may have been one more, I can't really remember, but no alcohol was allowed, no cigarettes, no drugs. We had a vegetarian meal and he would lecture us about the history of the psychomentium about how these people, these prophets, these seers would be asked to have a vision by the king

30:42or the emperor or whoever to reveal information about certain situations that would help them get through whatever trauma they were going through. And I thought it was fascinating. And his house was full of books, they were stacked everywhere and it was fun just to kind of roam around his house and sit down on the stair and just kind of pick up a book. But anyway, we all went through these psychomantiums and after dinner, I was so tired, I really just wanted to go up and sleep. But something told me, Carly, you need to go in that one last psychomantium that was mechanically put together. Now what these looked like were, even the one that was a blanket one, the cave that was made of blankets, that's what I like to call it. There was a mirror hung on the wall, that was it, a chair, no lights, no nothing.

31:48That was it. And it was pitch black, dark in these things. And so I remember going into the one that he built into his house. And I remember just sobbing and my grandmother had passed and my grandfather wasn't looking really well and all of that older generation, all the people who had been my anchors were moving on. And so I had been grieving for all of them. And so I went into the built-in one and sobbed and sobbed and sobbed and sobbed for everybody who had been there who was moving on. And that was very healing, but I didn't really have any experience. And then after dinner, I went into this last one. And in this last one, I sat down and I thought, okay, we'll see what happens here, we'll give this a whirl. And after about five or ten minutes, all of a sudden, this mist began to come out of

32:54the mirror. It poured out of the mirror. And at first, it scared me, it really scared me because I didn't know what it was, it was out of my realm of experience, it was the unknown. And so I said to myself, we're here to learn, we're here to learn, we're here to learn. And as I said, that more of the mist came out and then it, now I want you to listen to me while I'm talking about this. I want you to see how imprinted this is upon me, even though this happened several decades ago. But this experience is so imprinted upon me that I can still describe it in detail. I can't describe what I got at the grocery store yesterday, but that's what happens with these experiences is that they imprint on the brain and the emotions come back. So I began to see these orbs, the mist moved into the shape of orbs and these orbs started

34:01circling me and the temperature inside the psychomantium dropped a little bit. And then I felt one of the orbs go through my left side in my chest heart area. That was the most intense feeling of love I had ever had in my life. Even some, but it comes along and they open up the psychomantium, they don't even knock just over and they say, how are you doing in here? I said, oh, I'm doing fine, I'm doing okay. And then they closed the door and of course the mist had gone away, but it came right back. It came back. And so a continued to circle, the orbs continued to circle around me and I just kind of sat there feeling I knew it was all of my relatives who had moved on. I knew it was the spiritual essence of all of them and that they were there to reassure

35:06me that everything was okay. And I've had this doesn't meet and I've had the same experience since then that net not nearly as strong as this. But then some yokel did come along, I left the door and said, it's my turn now, you need to get out of there. That was the end of the experience, but I was so moved by it, I didn't know what to make of it. I didn't know what to make of it at all. And so when I got out of the apparatus, I had to go to the back and outside and I just sobbed and sobbed and sobbed and sobbed. And I didn't sob because I was sad, I sobbed because it was so beautiful. It was such a beautiful experience and that it was one that I wasn't real quick to share. I told Raymond about it and I never put it in any books, I never talked about it publicly.

36:07I just wanted to hold on to it because it was so special and it was mine. Eventually I did put it in, what is the name of that spiritually transformative experiences. And so that's something that I'm not asked about very often, but I can tell you for a fact that when I do start talking about it, the imprints, the emotions, the memories, the just seeing it all is so incredibly strong that it brings back the whole experience and I'm very grateful I had it. Life's busy, don't let banking slow you down, whether you're paying bills, setting savings goals, or just splitting the check. Atlantic Union Bank makes managing your money easier. With helpful people and user friendly tools, we make sure banking with us fits you. Call, visit us online or drop into an Atlantic Union bank branch today, Atlantic Union Bank.

37:12Any way you bank. Was it very therapeutic? It was therapeutic in a sense that there was a lot, from that point on, I always knew that my relatives on the other side were there for me, always, I've always known that. We have arguments, we have arguments, every once in a while I get mad when my sister passed away, I was angry at my mother for spoiling her, so we had words, because we have to remember that those that transition to the other side of the same people, it's not like they become angelic beings, you know, who have been hit on that head with the fairy wand. They go to the other side and the journey continues, the spiritual evolution continues. So if I'm doing a reading, it's not unusual for someone to present themselves, someone

38:15from the other side to present themselves in their spiritual evolution on the other side. So the way I look at it today is I can't reach out and really touch them physically, but I did learn from that experience is that they're there, for sure. And so for, I've had, I almost died a couple years ago, I had a mercer thing in one of my knees. And so I've had to have a couple of knee replacements and some other ugly stuff. And I knew all my relatives were there. I knew every single one of them were there. And I always know when they're there. So and that, that instance, yes, it was therapeutic. At that point, I recognized for sure that this is an evolution. And do you ever get any information about reincarnation? Is that something that you believe is a reality?

39:17I think it's a choice. That's just me. I think that some people choose to do that. I think people can also choose to be part of a spirit team. Oh, we are going off to the, we're going to wander off here a minute. A spirit team is a group of spiritual, spiritual individuals on the other side who as a part of their own evolution choose to be of assistance to somebody who's here. And we can have thousands, I mean thousands of these people, these spirit people working with us. And I believe that they help us get through trauma and drama and life if we ask, they're not going to interfere with our lives because we have free will. But that is their choice.

40:17It's their choice to be in that position. And then I believe that there are others who pick up the choice of reincarnating for whatever reason. So like I said, I think there's so much about all of this that we don't know that we're too hoarded and too toyed to really take a look at that. I know I have a spirit team. I have a spirit team that helps me when I'm in a bad spot that helps me when I do readings that helps me when has helped me trim it into this way through all these health issues. And so I think the possibilities are even more than we realize. So those are the only ones that I'm really aware of. Looking back to your book, you talk about a book called Death Bed Visions by Sir William Barrett.

41:18Could you tell us a little bit about that book? Okay. Sir William Barrett's book was published after his passing. And he was a physicist. I mean, he was a renowned physicist. And he was kind of like atheist. He didn't believe in anything's real spiritual. And he was married to a gynecological surgeon. And so neither of them woke up one day and said, Hey, we're going to go into afterlife contact. It just didn't happen that way. What happened was that his wife and her work began to notice that the people she was treating would oftentimes say out loud, Oh, there's my father standing next to the bed or, Oh, there's my mother. Back in the day, there were people who would be in the armed forces, World War One.

42:21And they would be sitting in their tents. And their loved ones, of course, would be far, far away on the other side of the world. And they would suddenly see the materialization of a sister or brother or somebody. And when they would see these materializations, they didn't know what to make of them. In one instance, there were two soldiers and they both saw the materialization of one of the men's sister. Then months later, and they would receive information about how the sister had passed. So they had seen the sister at the moment of her passing, but because they didn't have Wi-Fi or internet or cell phones, it took a while for the information to get there. And so they couldn't really talk about it openly with this situation, this other situation.

43:25When the gynecologist would perform surgeries and these women would come close to death and they would have these experiences one after another, it was the first time they really couldn't be ignored. And so she and her husband started taking a look at the consistency from account to account. They wanted to see, okay, are these hallucinations or are these, is there really something going on? And so what they discovered were several things. They discovered that when a person was passing, let me just tell the story, it's easier. There was a woman who was preparing to pass and she saw one of her really good friends, slash cousins. And she said, oh, look, there's, you know, so and so. And then she said something about her father being there and her father, I think, had passed.

44:27Now, this cousin, friend person had passed while this other woman was in the hospital dying. So she would not have known in any way, shape or color form that her friend had passed, no way. When she was told that her friend had passed, she was shocked. She was almost shocked and she would say, no, no, she's right over there. She's right there and she's waving at me. And so that's an account where somebody is passing. And then they see somebody else who has passed, but they didn't know they had passed. There were a couple of presidents, US presidents who had a similar experience and I'm not even going to name them because I'll get it wrong. There one was passing and without being told knew that the other one had already passed.

45:28So this couple, what they did is they collected these accounts and they discovered that they were comforting. They discovered that children, if children were in these visions, they didn't have angel links. So for years and years and years, what had happened is that advertisements had put on people who are passing or who are in heaven or who are on the other side. And what they discovered is that there were no wings on these on people in the next realm. They discovered that they looked the same as they did before they passed. So they put together this list of consistencies and then they tried to present it at some of these, you know, back then, Victorian cycle, psychic, psychic organizations, institutions

46:37and they got, they got, oh, you know, Shushu on down the road with you a lot. They weren't taken seriously, we'll put it that way. And as I said, the book, the little book, it's a very thin little green book, I have an original copy. It was one of the first books in the modern era, if you call the Victorian age, the modern era that discussed this. Now on down the line, there came a couple of other scientists and one is named Haroldson. He's still living. And he and his partner decided to replicate what the folks in the first study had done. And so what they did is they put together a big, big survey, huge, huge survey. It's put, you can find the survey in the hour of death.

47:38That's the name of the book. And so what they did is they put together this huge survey asking all these questions about what did you see as death drew near and they passed it out to nurses and doctors and had them fill it out and they did not call it a deathbed vision. They called it hallucination because they knew that if they said deathbed vision, that people would just, they wouldn't take the study seriously. And what they found were similarities to the first study done in 1924. So they were doing their study starting in the 50s, I think. And so what their study proved was that if an individual had a departing vision, there are much better patient. So you could have a patient who is incredibly death phobic. And they would have one of these experiences.

48:39And then all of a sudden they would be very, very, they would change. They would be like this radical change in them. They would be, the fear would be gone. They would feel comfortable with the concept and idea of passing. They would be more concerned with those they are going to be leaving behind. So they found a lot of characteristics that were similar to the first study. Now since then Peter Feinstein who is another researcher and he is in your neck of the woods, he did studies in nursing homes and hospitals. He hooked up with a woman who is a registered nurse in Ireland and replicated the study. And you know what? It's consistent. It's consistent. The people who come to visit are not the person that is the grocery clerk, the checks out their groceries.

49:40It's not somebody they just met. It's not the person that traumatized them. I get that question all the time. I don't want to be greeted by the person who molested me or hurt me. But there is always a greeting with some spirit person or persons who have come to escort us to the other side and show us what it's going to be like over there. And it has all the characteristics of the departing vision. The only difference is that the person who has the near death experience comes back. Or as the person who has the departing vision, they carry on and they make the transition to the other side. Bringing your business dreams to life takes heart and about a thousand decisions a day. That's why Atlantic Union Bank's knowledgeable bankers are here for you. With the right guidance and customized solutions to help you reach your business goals.

50:41Whether you're planning your next move, upgrading your space or scaling to meet demand, we make sure your business is ready for what's ahead, because we're big enough to support you. It's small enough to know you, Atlantic Union Bank, anyway, you bank. That consistency across all those years, that really tells us something, doesn't it? The people are not just hallucinating all sorts of crazy things. Yes, because when I had the departing vision with my sister and then she passed away, I think she passed away at that moment. When that sort of thing takes place, and then we find that there are other accounts that are just like that, where somebody comes to visit and they come to say, I love you and goodbye. I'll still be here. I'm sorry I have to go.

51:43When that kind of stuff comes up, that's consistency. When you have a patient who's been very combative and difficult and death-bobic and all of a sudden, my mother-in-law was the most death-bobic person on the planet, on the planet, but when she had this experience with her husband and her mother, all of a sudden she felt comforted and she was not scared anymore. That's the biggest gift is that there's this sense of fear evaporates, and it also can help with pain reduction. You have somebody who is... They're just going through a really, really rough time. They're scared of death. They grew up in a family where people didn't talk about death. They went to church, yes, but they never talked about death and reality.

52:44Children were sequestered away from death because people thought it would hurt them to see a corpse, just all of that stuff that has gone on in our society for the last number of decades around death. We have a whole society of people who are passing right now, who grew up with that, and there was a woman who had a Holocaust and what happened with the Holocaust, but also people who were in Germany who didn't do anything, who had nothing to do with the Nazis, went through a lot of trauma, a lot of trauma, and scientifically researching that, and we see that their responses are exactly like that of a Holocaust survivor. This friend of mine had had an experience like that. When the Allies came in to Germany, she was put in a camp at the age of 20.

53:50She had a really, really rough time. She was on her deathbed, and all of a sudden she started speaking in German. When people are preparing to pass, a lot of times, if they have another tongue of origin, if they're French, or if they're Italian, or if they're Russian, my mother-in-law started speaking Polish, and we had to get her to Western. But they will begin to speak in a different language. My friend started speaking in German, and her husband said to me, what do I do? I said, talk to her in German. What we discovered was that she was having conversations with somebody about her history, her past history. It was an incredibly healing experience for her, because we've been atheists of life. I think that the medical world has a lot to learn from these encounters when it comes

54:53to palliative care and taking care of patients. But the so many medical staff just dismiss it, and they say it's imagination or hallucination or something. And they want to give them drugs. Well, they want to give them drugs. They don't care for the family very well. I haven't seen very many hospice people be attentive in these situations. Hospice comes in, and they provide the drugs for care, which is fine. I don't think anybody should have to die in massive pain. But I don't think that an overload of drugs is a good thing either. And they tried to give my mother-in-law who had no pain whatsoever drugs, and we told them to get out. So a lot of people, they have these events, but the sad thing is, here's the sad thing. I have another friend in Italy, and his son died, and it was a very, very sad thing.

55:58And when his son was dying, he looked out the window, and he saw his relatives and spirits, some of his relatives and spirits. With lucidity, he turned to his father and told his father about this. This was incredibly healing for his father because his father, Claudio, knew where his son was going, and he knew his son would be okay. So here you have this massive healing for this entire family, which wouldn't have happened if the son was over-medicated. Does that make sense? So a medication to a point to make somebody comfortable, I would not have wanted my mother to be suffering so badly with the cancer. She came to me at the moment of her passing, and she just let me know that she was moving on, and that she cared for me, and that was very healing for me.

57:06What would have happened if she had been over-medicated, totally over-medicated? I just, there are so many things that go on at the moment of passing, and so we have people who like to, they're skeptical, and they put their pen in their pocket, and they want to explain all this stuff away, they drive me nuts. And Wikipedia, the only place I'm listed in Wikipedia, is as a nut job by a major skeptic. Well, this certain person, this is a person who is so death-phobic, I'm not going to mention names, but so death-phobic that they have come up with all these different reasons for why the departing vision is not real. Even though every single one of these explanations have been, they've been researched and dismissed,

58:11they still keep talking about, well, it's the dying brain. It's not the dying brain, that's been dismissed, that's been measured, quantified, it's not the dying brain. Well, it's medication, over-medication, well, no, that's not any there. Well, it's the illness that's making it happen. And no, because research has shown that it doesn't, the illness can be different from person to person, and one can still have a death-bedder departing vision. So these guys are making a lot of money on television. Television companies love having these skeptic guys on TV, and they spout off their words of wisdom, which don't make any sense to me, and then they get paid a whole lot. So they have an investment, they have an investment in keeping these myths going. And so what happens is that you have medical students who come in, and they're first or

59:12second-year. Trying to talk to them about departing visions is like sticking a knife in one's heart and twisting it. It's kind of... They're really that bad. It's bad, it's bad. I lived down the street from one of the largest medical schools in the country, and I wanted to replicate Heralton and Oasis's study, but I did. I tried to present this study, which had been replicated so many times, to the board, the Palette of Care Board at this institution, and they basically said, no, they said, no. These are people who are working in the field of Palette of Care. And I was shocked, absolutely shocked. So I could not do the study on my own, it would have been way too expensive, and so I felt very sad about that.

1:00:14But that's not uncommon. A lot of money is spent on cancer, which is, you know, cancer is a deadly disease, but I think that Palette of Care is with all of the boomers coming to a place where they're beginning to transition, and you know, how can we make this a better situation for not only them, not only their families, but for us. How can we do that? I think it's a very important task, and I don't see it. I just don't see it around here. Once in a while, somebody will send me a dissertation on departing visions that they're, you know, doing, and they just, they want to, an okay or something for me, but that's it. I mean, I just don't see huge studies outside of Peter Feinstein and a few others in the UK, and over here, I just can't really think off the top of my head of anybody doing

1:01:18anything that's spectacular. Outside the VA, now this is interesting, the VA picked up the baton, and they decided to do research on vets who are passing, and they basically got the same results. Well, it means something, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. It does mean something. Yeah. It means that something's going. We've come up to a full time now. Okay. It's been great. I'm so glad you talk. And you explain so much. I'm glad. I'm glad. And if anybody has any questions, they can definitely contact me on Facebook, just plug in Carla Will's brand and then you will find me. Can people get your books, they're on Amazon, aren't they? Yeah. Just go to Amazon and plug in Carla Will's brand and, and I'll tell you the truth. I'll tell you a secret. I buy all my books back used. You can fit in them for a really good deal.

1:02:20So, you know, be sure to check out the Abe's books and some of these used book venues. You can get a, you can get a good deal, plus there's there on Kindle. I think some of them are also on whispernet. So yeah, you can find me and you can find them. Do you have your own website? Yes, it's www.carlowertheC, Will's W-I-L-L-S brand and B-R-A-N-D-O-N. Oh yeah, dot com, that's right. Okay, thank you very much for giving us your time and explaining so much for us. Thank you so much. And that was an interview with Carla Will's brand and about her book, Heavenly Hugs, Comfort, Support and Hope from the Afterlife. A great way to support the podcast is to join Patreon, where you get access to the extended episodes.

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