Dead Man (1995) w/ Mika Miko

0:00I think that's an excellent thing for me to do. But you know what the most frightening thing in the world is? It's here. Every evening. Don't fall asleep. What do you believe it? I did not have enough time to put together that 2015 big hits at this month. So that's going to be coming out the beginning of next month. Which means that in it's stead we have 9 different chats from the vaults. 9 of them. All with musical artists that have been included in the main feed big hits or episodes previously. And I'm going to give them their own space.

1:01I'm going to highlight those films that deserve their own day. And the musical artists that have been allowed to shine away from the clutter. Although, that clutter is some damn joyous and perfect textbook podcasting if I do say so myself. So, if you're hearing this, you've either clicked on in alphabetical order, a dead man from 95. That is with Jesse Klaven from Mika Miko. Hellbender from 2022. That is with the Adams family that have their own band called Hellbender. And the film is also called Hellbender. Following that, we've got Logan's run from 1976. That's with Brick Smith. Of course, she was also in the fall. We've got Masters of Horror from 2005. That's with Jay Robbins from Burning Airlines. Nightmare Castle from 1965 with Louise Patricia Crane. The Omen from 1976 with Will Palmer from Angel Witch. We've got Strange Days from 1995 with Boris DiPianti.

2:05He's from Monkey 3. Superman 3 from 1983. We've composed our Christopher Snipes. And to the Devil Adorta from 1976. We've Clayton Burgess from Satan's Say Tires. It's a mixed bunch of horror, science fiction and fantasy films. And musically, we're hitting up some punk rock. Some indie rock, industrial, emo, folk, hip-hop, stone-a-rock, biker metal. It's galactic ain't the word. So, enjoy your pick. There's going to be some brand new episodes. Not taken from the vaults in about a week or so. But until then, be the best you can be or the worst that you wish you were. It was Johnny Depp in the big surprise for me from 1995. Dead man. Here's a letter box in Opsis for it. On the run after murder in a man. Accountant William Blake encounters a strange North American man named Nobody.

3:06Who prepares him for his journey into the spirit world. That's the letter box in Opsis, but that is nowhere near enough. Oh no. Oh no! Remember when I spoke to the callus of the valley girls called Jesse Clayvin? We spoke about the black coat's daughter. Her about, I would say, six to eight months ago, something like that. Well, she's back. Oh, yeah. She's the guitarist with the pop rockers bleached and the punk rockers mecha mecha. She's back now to chat with me about this black and white sight dream of a western. It's Dead Man and Dead Man is my number three.

4:07Last night, my youngest son, Charlie, was gunned down in cold blood. The gutless murderer won Mr. Bill Blake, also stolen the very spirit of the valuable horse. I want him brought here to me. A laver dead don't matter. No, I reckon dead would be easier. Johnny Depp, Gabriel Bird, Robert Mitchem, in Dead Man. The hunter's on. He came west to find a new future. How do you do, sir? I'm Bill Blake, your new account. What he found instead was trouble. Don't! Now there's a reward on his head. You were a poet and a painter. Now you are a killer. And a band of bounty hunters on his trail. I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who. Good, got him hit. That weapon will replace your tongue. And your poetry will now be written with blood. So what do you be presumptuous of me to ask you if you want to drop?

5:10Is that a bad illustration of your way, Blake? Johnny Depp gives a riveting performance, says the LA Times. Your way, Blake? Yes, I am. Do you know my poetry? Dead Man. Original soundtrack. You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian monarchy. I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you. Not one single word. Are you sure you have no tobacco? All right. Well, it has some fun. What a film to choose. Yeah. Okay, so I haven't seen it. But this is Dead Man from 1995. All I know was that it was a western. And I've got a story with it. Like, my ex was this huge Johnny Depp fan, huge. And one year for a birthday offer, Christmas, I can't remember which. But I bought her a signed photo, which later on we found out wasn't real. Because I spent a lot of money on it. Oh, no.

6:12And also for the Dead Man DVD, because I knew she didn't have that in her collection. She hadn't seen it and it was like, right, and we never watched it. We never, ever got around to it. I was with her for years. Never watched it. So yeah, that's it. That's all I knew about it was that is what one we never saw. The one you never saw. Oh, my God. Well, I can relate to the signed photo, but that's not real. I have one of the Spice Girls. She did. That's funny because I also, it's just been a movie that has been on a watch list for so long. And just the cover of it with Johnny Depp and the canoe. And I'm just like never thought to watch it. So when I saw it on your list, I was like, you know what? Now is the time. And I'm so happy. This is the movie. Like after watching it, I'm like, okay, this is going to be fun.

7:14Yeah. I've got to ask you like a little bit about your history with Johnny Depp as well. Is it something that is he someone you had a huge crush on like my ex? You know, I never did. And even in his, I don't know if this is first film, but Nightmare on the Street. He's like so cool in that. But like I never, I tend to rebel when everyone has a crush on someone. I choose not to. I'm like, well, he's taken. The England is the right. But I've always liked him in the films I've seen him. I can't stop thinking about the the trial right now though. Like that's all that's on my mind is the is his trial that he was just on. Like that was really intense. But I won't go into that because that's not what this is about. That's just what he's popping up in my head. But yeah, I mean, I've been a fan.

8:16I'm a fan for sure. I think. But like it's funny because I felt like in this, this movie and Dead Man, like I was almost like weirdly at times. I really like the film, but like there are times where I almost felt like, like annoyed by him. That's how we. Oh, Johnny Tet. Like I don't know about that. Like he goes, he goes through it. No. Just when he turns up for the job and just gets turned away, I'm like, oh, no, I felt, I know, I really felt for him. I really did. I wasn't annoyed. I take that back. No, I wasn't. It's really like. No, no. It's just the one scene where he's like, I'm so tired. Like, come on. You're a star of film right now.

9:16Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is the thing. I just initially would have thought those days when I had the DVD, that this is just a boring slog. I saw the running time. Like it's never been brought up in conversation. Yeah. When I'm a teen, I don't want to be, you know, going through that. I want to go back to those like Edward Sizzahans or something like that. Yeah. I don't sit through an art house, Phil. Yeah. Well, that's funny. You said that because when you showed me the beat sheets of the, for the podcast, the first question was my first thought. And that was my first thought before even push the play. I was like, two hours. Oh, geez. Okay. I thought I was going to be like an hour and 10 minutes or something. I didn't know what to expect going in. I really enjoyed it. Yeah. Like, I mean, really, I gave it an eight out of ten just off the bat, but I still don't get it. I don't understand what I've seen.

10:17What the hell? I definitely going into it. I had, I didn't know anything. I really didn't know anything. And I was really trying to like withhold looking anything up. But then as I started watching it, I was like, this is really deep. And I wanted to know more. So then I was, and then also just like all the characters that kept presenting there themselves. Like, I had no idea. Crispin Glover was in it. And I love Crispin Glover. And it's interesting. Well, he's like maybe the only character that doesn't die. I mean, when that comes in, ends up dying within the next five minutes. Which is fair. Although he's got enough sit on his face that I don't think he's got many days left. Totally, totally. But that was so good that scene with him. I love that. I really, really love that scene, actually. Yeah. I hadn't seen him since, like, I've been rewatching like the Friday the 13th.

11:20And like, he's got a crazy dance scene in one of those. Which one? Oh, guys. Oh, is it four? Wait, I need to watch that. I don't think I knew. I mean, it's been so long since I've like really seen all the Friday the 13th, but. Oh, he's brilliant. His first scene is his complaining that you can't get laid. And he's trying to impress a girl by dancing. And you know what that dance scene is like. It's fantastic. It's like four or five, but all my words. It's the best. Oh, that's going to be fun. Is he in it like the full movie? He may die. That's all I'm going to say. Okay. Yeah, he's no final girl. But yeah, yeah, yeah. What a great start. Like what an opening to a movie. Like we don't really know what we're getting. It's really odd as well the way.

12:20It keeps fading out and then coming. Come back. And that's your sense of time's past, I guess, but. Yeah. Johnny Depp sitting on a train. Like holding onto a case. For like a really long time. So long. It's one of those like scenes where like you're watching it and all this. And then I'm just like kind of confused about life and how much time has gone on. And I almost feel like. Like I just took like some kind of psychedelic like it just feels like time is going by. So slow. And I'm like, did I accidentally push rewind for a second? Like it's just one of those scenes that kind of was like trippy almost. Funny. Yeah. I think it obviously is meant to do that. It's meant to trip you out. Like I don't know any films that open that way. Totally. Weird. But then as you say, we get Crispin Glover's performance. And it's like I think it's like five minutes or something. But it's just the best. Like it's so good. And it's really good. It's really good.

13:20Really got me in the mood. Yeah. Totally. The question to you with asking Johnny Depp was really funny. Well, he welcomes him to hell. I know that much. Oh, yeah. That's right. But yeah, we talk about the cast and like it's ridiculous. When Johnny Depp gets into the, and this is when I like, I can't watch anymore. I've got to Google some things here. Too much is going on. So Johnny Depp walks into the town. And then I'm like, is that the guy from Butthole Surfers getting a blowjob in Denali? And yeah, it was. It was? Yeah, yeah. He was there. And I was so, my word. Like just one of the first openings seems like love it. And yeah. And then of course we get Iggy Pop later on. Yeah. I love that. That was probably, that was like the scene where I was really laughing, my heart is. Like, first of all, Iggy Pop's name is Sally. And I just have this feeling.

14:21He just loved playing this role of Sally. I feel like he loved it. And then when Johnny Depp comes in and he's been hanging out with nobody. The guy named nobody. And they're like, who are you with? He's like, nobody. And I don't know why he was just dying laughing. There was just like, why am I just now watching this movie? It's so good. That scene is so exciting. You've got Billy Bob Thornton there as well. And like, when he comes on the screen, they start talking about his hair. And like smelling his hair. Oh, yeah. How'd you get your hair like that? I was like, yeah, that's Johnny Depp. Of course, he's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I'm just lucky. Or something like that. Yeah. There's a wonderful, wonderful moment to this. And I think the casting, I don't know. Like if it's now all these people are just like almost household names that we see in it or but I know Robert Mitchum is in it. And again, another funny scene where like he's holding a gun.

15:22And then the painting behind him is just holding the gun in exactly the same way. I just thought, man, this film's ridiculous. Yeah. But I've got to ask it. Yeah. Is this... As I say, I don't get it. So I'm going to probe you, maybe, by May. Okay. Is he dead for the most of this film in your eyes? Um, yeah, that's a really good question. Because... Okay. So to answer the question, because there's a lot of thoughts I have, but I feel like he's slowly dying through the film. That was my take on it. Like he's a dead man. Like he's not going to make it. He's dying. And he does. It seems like he... Well, we don't even really... Does he die at the end? I'm not really even sure. He's just floating away on a boat. Okay. I guess we're meant to it. And this is false spoilers. I will say at the beginning. Yeah, false spoilers. Sorry. Well, even at the end, when he is floating away, and then he sort of can see out the corner of his eyes,

16:25nobody's dying. It's like, for maybe a sequel, then we get nobody's journey after that maybe. Yeah. Yeah. But then, yeah, you're right. I don't actually see him go like die. Yeah. So maybe he's just on that journey the whole time. I was so confused about what it was trying to tell me. And I sort of like it. Oh, the definitely like the journey for sure. Like, okay, it's funny because I had no idea the whole William Blake. I saw the name William Blake, but then when nobody's like, the William Blake, the poet, it was kind of funny because I recently went to a William Blake exhibit at the Getty over in over here in Los Angeles. And I was like blown away. I became this huge like obsessed with William Blake. Like I bought some art and I just like recently hung it up in my my my hallway.

17:25And like I was talking about William Blake with so many people that someone ended up getting me a William William Blake tarot deck. Wow. Which I was thinking would be kind of fun if I pulled you in William Blake tarot deck card if you want. And so I had no idea. So I was just like because nobody was just also obsessed with William Blake. I was like, I feel like there's something here about, you know, just William Blake being this. This artist, this biblical artist who was all about journeys. Like I feel like he, you know, did a lot of art that represented journeys and like the stories and the Bible. So that's kind of what I was just seeing it at. It's like a very like a heroes journey cycle, you know, and like starting very kind of like innocent and then kind of like being all of a sudden. Like what Chris, Chris Been Glover welcomes him to hell.

18:27And like it's like the wild west just kind of like made him into this, this murder. Now he's like walking around killing everyone. He's ended a gun and now since he hasn't gone. So now he's killing everyone, but he also in self defense. But so yeah, the journey. It's so well, this is the thing with me saying I don't understand what's going on because as soon as I did think I knew. So like it plays it quite a luth. And when nobody says the William Blake, you go, I've never heard of William Blake. What are you talking about the poet, what? And then within a few things later he's quoting William Blake as he kills people. So I don't, you know, where is this film taking me? And as I said, I really like that. I don't know. I'm really confused. Yeah, I definitely agree with that at times. I was like, you know what? I thought I knew what's going on, but. And then at the very, very end, I was like, maybe this was just a film about a friendship. You know, him and nobody became friends.

19:27He he surrendered to being William Blake since nobody told him he was William Blake. He's like, no, I give up. Nobody. You're pretty cool. And I'm just going to recite poems with you. I might not watch two hours of that movie. No, you never know. You mentioned something that just reminded me of my favourite scene in the whole film is like when he goes into the, I guess what is a convenience store? Oh, yes, yes. And things and it's like this Quentin Tarantino-esque sort of standoff. Holy, totally. It's going to happen. And you know, it just builds up and builds up a bit. Oh, my God. Yes. That scene, that scene was so good. Then that just, I don't know, who was the, the guy looks so familiar, the, the convenience store worker? Who? I, he's like the one character I didn't look up.

20:28He looked so familiar and I'm like, here we go. Here's another face that we all know. And he's about to die any minute. I think his name, I've got it here, Alfred Malena. I wonder what, what, I've seen him before. Yeah, he's in, he's in time and stuff. And it's just giving me his picture. What I look like. Yeah, I can't tell you what he's in, but yeah, yeah, yeah. He's in loads. Yeah, that was so cool. And he asked for the, the autograph. I thought that was really cool. And he likes it. Well, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. If someone has been listening to this and things are like, finally, I'll just give it a go then. What sort of scenes are you going to point them in the direction of? Oh, yeah. I mean, definitely the convenience store for sure, actually. And also, I kind of did mention this one with Iggy Pop and his buddies playing, uh,

21:33Iggy Pop playing Sally and when he enters. And I mean, that, that was really cool. I'm trying to think of, uh, you know, I really love, I really love the scene with the girl that he goes home with. I thought that whole thing was really cool too. And I really was, I was like, it's really surprised. I was really, I'm sure this, this was like one of them. Oh, my God. Jim, Jim Dermouche. I think that's how you pronounce it. I've seen some of his other films and it's just like he totally like has that style or whatever. But, um, so yeah, I don't know how like the budget of this, I thought a special effects, um, with the scene with the girl that he goes home with and then Gabriel Burns. So I've always had a crush on Gabriel Burns. He's, he was kind of my crush, not Johnny Depp. Gabriel Burns. When he walked in, I was like, oh my God, Gabriel Burns is in this.

22:37Um, but that scene was so cool, the little gunfight they had. Like I just thought it was really, you know, how she leans over and blocks the bullet. And then when she gets shot, I thought those special effects were really cool. I'm always like, how do they do that? It felt real. I remember on the last film we watched together, that had a stabbing scene that felt real as well. Oh, you told, oh my God, totally. Yeah. It's weird. It's weird when it doesn't seem like movie stuff and those shots misfiring or going through someone's shoulder or something like that just still feels real. The splatter all over the place. Like it was just like, yeah, like it was really real. Like it was, what's, what am I, what am I thinking of? It's just, we imagine it so much, it's so grandiose in our minds. And then, I mean, I know it wasn't real, but watching this made it feel like that's actually what would, it would seem like someone got shot. It would just be like, you know, it goes in you and then just blood kind of pours out.

23:40And they, they just kind of nailed that. I thought that was kind of cool. Well, I tell you the budget, it was $8 million and it made $1 million back. Wait, it was $8 million budget? $8 million budget in $95 and it made $1 million back. Is that like that? You know, is that a lot? I think, I think it's reasonable, especially as depth was like not unknown at that time. This was like the mid 90s. So it was a huge star. I don't know how much he would have got that. Yeah. Yeah, wow. I can't believe, yeah, that for some reason that seems like a lot to me. I don't know why I think that. But yeah, I liked how they, I liked how they chose as I was watching it. I'm like, I wonder if they tried this in color or something and they were going back and forth. Like, I'd be really curious to know. I thought the black and white was really cool.

24:40Yeah, I love it. There's a scene that I think when I saw this scene, I was like, I'm so glad this isn't black and white. Again, I just don't get the scene. Again, I'm going to ask you. Johnny Depp is rolling and he comes across this dead baby dear. He just lays down next to it and has a sleep. Yeah. What's it all mean? I think that was a surrendering moment because I think after that scene, I could be wrong. I could be wrong. After that scene is when he all of a sudden started reciting the poem. He became one with nature. He's like, you know what? I can be your William Blake. And he's, I know, I could be wrong, though. No, I love it. He just kind of, I was like, what animals are like, either hurt or dead in movies. It makes me so sad. Like, I was crying. I think I looked away and I looked back and all of a sudden, Johnny Depp was lying with the tear.

25:41He was like, oh my god, that's so sweet. Like, that was like the one time I was like, I can tolerate this dead animal scene. Because he decided to lie with it and cuddle it, cuddle it. I can just, just see you on tour. It's a roadkill on the side. I've ever hold on everyone. It's newsy time. You know, it's funny actually because that there was a time we were on tour. And we didn't, it's funny because, well, I always heard about really intense roadkill situations. Like, sometimes bands wouldn't make it because they were like, we hit a deer. We couldn't, and I was always afraid of that. Like, to this day, when I'm driving, I'm always looking like on the sides of the road. Because it just, you know, that just is a fear of mine. And there was this one time, there was a huge pile up. I don't know where we were. It was like one lane highway, kind of five. And there was this, yeah, this huge pile up. And I was driving, and we finally got to the accident.

26:44And there was a four-on deer in this guy's windshield. And I pulled over at the next exit, and I cried. I was just bawling. I was just like, and I remember, basis came over to me. He was comforting me. He's like, it's okay, Jess. It's okay. He's already getting teary. I think he was just so traumatic. I was just like, and it wasn't, it was for the animal course. And then also I felt really bad for the guy that hit the deer. I feel like I just, because I got a glimpse of his face. And I was like, this guy is going to like, like be traumatized after this. And he probably feels, he looked like he felt awful. But yeah, it's my. No, I had been at a job before, and someone didn't come into work for a week because I hit a fox. So, yeah. Oh, a fox. I just can't, I can't. I will turn off a film if a dog's killed in the film. Yes. I'll turn it on. Not bothered.

27:44You know what? I was watching this film. I was really excited about it. It was like, I don't even remember what the name of it was. It's like a girl in a cabin, a snowy cabin with two kids. And she was like a survivor of some cults. And she's in this cab. I don't know if this sounds familiar. And I was really into this film. And the moment they kill the dog, I was so angry. I remember I was watching with my husband. And I think I got angry at him. I felt really bad. And my whole night was ruined. It was like a little white fluffy dog that the kids decided to keep outside. And it froze to death. And I was so angry. That's the lodge. Yo, you watched. You know what I'm talking about? Yes, the lodge. Yes, the lodge. Why would they do? I'm so, like, so furious thinking about that scene. I was like, why? I don't get it. Like, why? I know it's not real. I know it's not a real frozen dog, but it's not the point.

28:45Oh. It was not real. Where do you stand on Neil Young? OK. Shhhh.

29:46I feel like I'm gonna, I feel like I could, like,可能. that some people break now. Okay, I love Mill Young, but honestly, watching Dead Man, I was just like really starting to, I just was not that into it. I was really appreciating the process. I was like, oh my God, how fun is this? Mill Young sitting there with this guitar, playing along to this movie, like the process of it totally respect. And I was like, that's amazing. I loved that, but I felt like there was so much repetitiveness of the chords, the same guitar thing, maybe in like slightly different ways as being played. And I, I don't know if it was just adding to the effect of this kind of like slow, burn kind of western, experimental. I don't really know, but I feel so bad.

30:47I didn't really like it. Well, this was, I couldn't believe when I read that as well. And like every single source I saw about it said the same thing that he was playing along whilst watching the film. And I'm like, wow, okay, that takes some balls, but at the same time, do it again. Have another run through. Yeah, it's come to the end of that. And he released it as a soundtrack album. And two months later, I don't know if you know, like Merkin Ball, that one that he did with Paul Jan. Oh no. Let me see, I think I'll write it down. Is it Merkin Ball? Was that the Paul Jan one? Let me have a little look. A bit of a mirror ball. Mirror ball. So that's the one he did, yeah. So two months later, Paul Jan's is back in band and he's released this album. It's a fucking great album. And it's two months before I can picture him going, waaah. And he's going to pull it, he sucks. He's so contrary, I love the man.

32:16Oh my god, I want to know, was he drinking tea while making this score, or was he like, on anything, was he smoking hot? I would love to know the details, because when you had said, hey, maybe we should try to do it again. I thought that too. I literally felt like he had just, like, did a warm up guitar through the whole film and then I was like, that's it, and we'll just keep that. Moving on. Moving on. Paul Jan now. Oh my god, that is so hilarious, yeah. My wife was watching in the sort of background, doing her own thing. And she was just saying, God, what is this music? So it really did stand out for her. Like, even though she was just on in the background, and I can tell you, it's all great

33:17on you, which might be the point, right, it might be. I feel like if I had watched this 20 years ago, wait, how would I even have been 20 years ago? Maybe 15 years ago. Okay. 15 years ago. I mean, 20, 20, whatever, 20, 15 years ago, I bet I would have loved it. I would have been like, oh my god, like, this is the greatest music, but now I do feel that it's okay to not like everything, you know, it's totally okay if it's just a piece of someone's work that just wasn't really, I wasn't really into it, and that's okay. Yeah, like, with Neil Young, he had that period in the 80s as well, where he discovered like keyboards and synthesizers and things like that. And I really get a lot out of that, and when I first heard it, I was like, oh, no, what are you doing?

34:17Okay, maybe I'll come around to it in a few years. Would you say you were like a Neil Young fan, like, growing up? No, not at all. Like it's just someone that I knew. You know, yeah, same, same. It's definitely like, you know, a tour music, definitely listen to a lot of albums on the road, but I don't think it's something I would come home and like, put on maybe on like a playlist or something, but yeah. For me, Neil Young's a greatest hitsman, that's what I'm going to say. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And which now means like so many people just going, what's wrong with you? He's a God-like figure. As someone who, myself, trying to kind of get more into filmmaking and, you know, I've

35:29been working on some scripts and I'm trying to work on a short film right now and like things like that. Like I can really appreciate the process of it all, like I really can appreciate that. It's one of those films where I just feel like it was fun putting it together. It was fun filming. I can imagine like all like the cool connections and the friendships maybe that were made during it. And experimental, like I feel like there's a lot of experimental things that, you know, it's lightening and certain shots and so I just really appreciated it. I can see where it's probably, oh it is, I'm sure it's iconic film, it's an iconic one. For just being like, you know, I don't know, just the whole process really is what drew me to it. And then there's the, I do feel like I really love, I really love a film where there's

36:30just, where there is a story that, you know, goes through the hero's journey cycle and you've got these really fun characters like the one character and the three guys that were, um, caught them for getting their names right now. But there's like the young kid and then there's the guy that doesn't talk much and then there's the guy that talks too much, like I can really appreciate those characters and he was really fun. I would talk about the bounty hunter guys. Yes, the bounty hunter guys, you know, I love, I love that, those parts too and then yeah, yeah. So. Well, I was relieved when I put my score up on Letterboxed, a couple of my friends came out of the woodworking said, this film means a lot to me and I'm so glad you enjoyed it. It's a deal breaker. And I was like, okay, so like, it does mean a lot to people, but like, I'm such a horror guy and they were like, they both considered it like with horror elements because of that

37:31bounty hunter cannibal element to it. So. Yeah, forgot about that. Yes. So it's an interesting take, but whether you would call this a horror, definitely I would not. I don't think I can as much as I want to. Yeah, it's definitely, I mean, I was thinking, oh, it's like a low budget kind of like some really cool horror movies, but it wasn't really if they had like eight million dollars. Yeah. So that's where like, it's not, but it felt like kind of this lower budget horror movie or something, but the can't, oh my God, eating the hand, I love that part. It almost kind of was like, I felt like when that part came, I was like, like, I like took a really big, deep breath. I was like, yeah, okay, cool. I like this. I like this. Yeah. That's the thing. It's full of great scenes and I really do recommend if you've been putting it off like both of where you have it would say, then I would take the bullet, bite the bullet, do

38:35it. Yeah. Totally. What are you doing in the future musically? Where are you going from here at this point? At this point, I'm trying to do solo stuff. I have some music that I've been writing for the last like five years and I really want to put something out. I want to play shows again. I kind of want to like just go back to making a flyer, playing a show at the local venue. I'm really trying to do that this year and it's very casual and I can't not play music. The music that my band with my sister bleached is we still talk about writing another album but right now we're on hiatus and just we're allowing ourselves to explore other things and then the last thing I told you was my old punk band, Mika Miko, when that was like

39:40I hadn't told anyone and I told you that last episode and then we ended up having a full year of Mika Miko's last so that was really cool. Well, so far I feel like your podcast has been a little bit of a good luck term for me because when I mentioned the Mika Miko thing like there was only one show and I don't even know about it yet and so when I mentioned it, the whole year became like this cool Mika Miko reunion and did not plan that at all. Yeah, I'd heard the band's name but I'd never listened to the band and so I had this whole history of your musical work to dig into. I loved it. It was so good. I love that sort of thing. That's why I do it. It's great. Oh, yay. Also, we've stuff you've got going on Midnight Detour. Tell me all about it. Yeah, so another, wait, this is funny because another thing I've mentioned last time on

40:44your podcast or we may have talked about it separately but I was like, I want to start a podcast about musicians touring and any type of otherworldly experience, scary, supernatural whatever experiences on the road and I totally had last year, I had a, I put out, I think I can't remember like maybe six episodes. It was so much fun. So my plan is to this year for 2024, for Halloween, I'm going to do another round of interviews or so it's just strictly like the fall and Halloween time. And that was so much fun and I think you really helped inspire me with that because I was kind of asking a little bit about podcast stuff. So yeah, that's, I really have like, it's cool, I'm really excited about this.

41:46It's cool to have something to look forward to and I love Halloween so much and whenever anytime when fall comes and Halloween comes up, I'm always like, I mean, I wish I was like doing something right now, like doing, like putting something out or being creative. So now I have the night view tour that will be that thing. So there we go, Jesse, thanks for coming on. Oh, thank you so much, I really appreciate it, thanks for having me. Thanks to Jesse Clayvin there for returning to a year in horror.