Contaminated blood, contaminated trust!

0:00Hello, hello, hello. Our wonderful audience. God bless us all. It's Peter and Ginger Bregan, sometimes known as the Dr. Bregan Hour, and we are interviewing today. One of the men I respect the most in the world, my dear friend James Thorpe. I don't remember how far back we go, Jim. You remember our first contact? You know, we published that paper together, a patient betrayal, the corruption of the healthcare system. You know, I want to say that it was late 2021. Jim is a, what certified OB-GYN and maternal and fetal medicine specialist. What he does is get consulted when a woman is having a bit more trouble than labor

1:04than her local docs feel comfortable with. And they get in touch with Jim. They may send him some next way to her other things I don't know about. And he consults in it. He's overseeing tens of thousands of high risk pregnancies throughout his career. This is a real doctor. His medical school was Wayne State University in Detroit. He's got a lot of awards along the way, but being a great resident and a great student. He also served in the United States Air Force at a health professional scholarship at fund of his medical education. He's written over 250 papers, and yes, that is more than I've written. They've been published. And he's a review of the major medical journals. He's also been an examiner for the American Board of Obstetrics and Kind of College. And a lot of establishment credentials are quite surprising for a man of his type.

2:09One of the things I noticed early in my reform career, the higher up the doctor or the media person was in authority in the medical world or in the media world. The less critical intelligence they displayed, they would be very quick and smart. There might be a lot they know that I didn't know. But they weren't necessarily able to put critical intelligence to work. And Jim overflows with critical intelligence. I wish we had a video so you could see him. You've probably seen him testifying in Congress or before Congress or in a variety of things. Multiple times he's testified in the US Congress during the Bush administration, but also more recently.

3:12He and I have done a couple of papers together, which means he was kind enough to bring me in on his research to give an opinion and to put me on the paper as a co-author. He is one of those, one of those packing 2020. And that's basically what I want to say. He's a man of really keen intelligence. He's very spiritual, very religious and he's just very thoughtful. Jim, I'm so proud to be friends with you. What's more to show? I'm really honored. I'm really honored. Thank you very much, Dr. Bragan. I'm in ginger. I'm very honored, as always, to be on your platform. And I feel like we are long life friends and I feel like we go back to eternity. It seems like eternity in this struggle against the demonic entities who have orchestrated

4:18some of these horrible things during the pandemic. It was a question. You really put it into that good and evil battle. I think it's the only thing that explains it. I feel... It's a spiritual battle, isn't it? Just spiritual battle. Yes. Jim, I've had the odd experience I've never had it before since. It's full form. When I first started writing COVID-19, the global predators, I would sometimes get sort of stunned at what I was discovering. I like when I found Bill Gates' plan for COVID, his master plan and things like that. He was presenting to the World Health Organization, made that kind of connection, where I was suddenly feel as if I was staring in some sort of overwhelming evil that was looking back at me.

5:19I needed to take a break and a breather. I don't think I took those breaks and breathes. Yes, you did. We used to talk about it before. Talk about it and then come back and go back to work. Yes. We each had that kind of experience when we were writing COVID-19 and the global predators. It was like this dark presence almost. It was... Yeah. I had never had... I don't believe that personal and encounter with evil until that time. So I really saw evil intellectually, but it was a whole different story to feel like I was actually in its presence. Well, you were confronting it and causing it harm. And it was pissed off. Yeah. It's what I felt. Yeah. I mean... I felt like a little boy, David and Goliath, or 12-year-old Peter and Son Monster. Good analogy. It is a daunting enemy, but we know the end from the beginning and in the end we win.

6:33And that darkness and that evil loses. We just need to endure. We don't know when that evil will ultimately be defeated, but we need to carry on and do what you guys are doing, speaking the truth, being a beacon of light in a world of darkness. Well, so are you two, obviously. It is very unusual for someone to get to be within conventional medicine, a journal editor and all the publications to be teaching. Well, you did too. Well, what I was going to say though, I got there knowing the struggle I was in to get

7:34there. And if it wasn't for you, I might have been knocked out. I mean, if it wasn't for you, it was incredibly vigorous defense that you helped us build during the first one time, the only time they went after our medical license way back. And what was that 2020? Oh, no, that was in the 20s. No, but it was 1988 or 89. Do we go back that far? Yes, we do 42 and a half years ago. 42 and a half years ago. And I love with this lady for 50 years and living with her for more than 42 and a half years. Oh, my God. Well, actually 43. Yeah. The time flies when you're having fun. Yeah, sure does. No, I'll tell you, the stroke really messed with my... It's timeline. My timeline. His mental timeline is a little screwed up. It's very ironic because I've talked to many of my patients with Hedi, like your shock treatment,

8:38and the timeline gets really messed up by that trauma. And my timeline got messed up by the stroke. But I'm coming back in all ways thanks to lots of help from good docs and wonderful wife. So Jim, I want to ask you two questions about this issue. What we're talking about today is your research on the contamination of blood from the corona chips. The so-called vaccines. The MRI and the...

9:41The vaccines. Yeah, I'm trying to think of a better name for them. I mean, we talk about them as a genetic platform, genetic modification platforms. But I'll leave that... Any fancy stuff like that up to Jim. And what we want to focus on is both that it occurs and that the blood is contaminated, but especially our blood supply medically. And when someone needs a transfusion, are they going to receive blood that's actually contaminated by blood from someone who has been infected? And how often may that occur? And does it have... What kind of effects does it have on the person's health? I know the same thing was going on with AIDS when AIDS came about in...

10:42I remember in the late 70s, early 80s, there was... There was huge concern that evolved again a little late. I believe about the... The infectivity of blood that had been taken from people who had been exposed to AIDS. That's right. So tell us what you've found and I know you've done two papers. Yeah, so thank you so much for having me on. These have just been published, accepted for publication. I don't think you know this last night. Yesterday in a peer-reviewed medical journal article, I think I sent you the preprints, but these are now officially accepted in a peer-reviewed medical journal article. I do this.

11:42Part one and part two. So the title of this is a potential implications of COVID-19 vaccination for blood donation. So we have a part one and a part two. And I do want to give a call out to my co-authors, which are... I'm honored to have us co-authors, and they're not slouches. Of course, my wingman is Claire Rogers, who I've worked with on our research team, and as part of the McCullough Foundation. And there is Clinton Oler's, Dr. Clinton Oler's PhD, who is the founder and president of safeblood.com, safeblood.com. And the fourth author is Nathaniel Mead, PhD, another brilliant PhD.

12:51Next is Nicholas Halcher, incredible epidemiologist, Christian Cosgrove, Sierra Ham, a labor and delivery nurse. And I love her signal on her call name on X. It's blood matriarch is her handle. And then we have the well-world renowned PhD geneticist, Dr. David Speaker from Canada. And then, of course, Dr. Stephen Hatville, who everybody knows. So we've just had an incredible group on part one and part two, and I'm honored to be with them. So in part one, what we did... And so let's be clear here upfront. What we're really talking about, neither of these papers are smoking guns.

13:54We are the first to publish this to my knowledge, the very first, because it's a very dangerous and hot topic that will encumber a voracious attacks, which have already started. And in fact, my usual MO is to... I've been wanting to do these papers for four or five years, because they intimately affect my patient's pregnant women. And we'll get into that later. But I came alongside Dr. Clinton, Olers, and had been really motivating him over the last three years. And so this is a culmination of a lot of thought and a lot of work. But the very fact that nobody has been able to come out against it officially in a peer-reviewed medical journal article to my knowledge,

14:54tells you how scary it is. In fact, I usually try to give first authorship position to one of my younger researchers on the paper. I'm the old guy on this paper. But you know, the younger folks, because of the potential political... ramifications and legal ramifications, they didn't want to be first author. So I took it. And I wrote these papers, and then they, of course, gave me their input. Part one is basically nine cases. Nine cases of patients. And by the way, this was formally IRB approved. And we were overly proclotious. Probably didn't need to be submitted to an IRB. But we were overly proclotious knowing that we would be voraciously attacked for this. And so the nine cases, these are cases of patients or family members who strongly believe

16:02that these victims were killed or injured by a blood transfusion, or a contribution by a contaminated blood transfusion. So, you know, I'll just carefully, briefly, just go over two of the cases that are... I think are important. Is that okay or...? Yes, I'm going to signal about 50 seconds from now that we'll need to take a break. Okay. So case one is baby Alex. Baby Alex was born to a beautiful couple. Baby Alex was known before birth to have kind of a common heart malformation. So they delivered in a tertiary medical center and were planning cardiac surgery. You know, pretty routine. We do large volumes of these surgeries in major medical centers, children's hospitals. So it was... the outcome was expected to be, you know, nearly perfect in the vast majority of cases. The mother and father were extraordinary, fearful of contaminated blood by the COVID-19 vaccine.

17:09They requested designated donor blood because a lot of these babies in these surgeries will require blood. The hospital blew them off, gave the baby Alex blood from the general blood supply. And within an hour or so, the pick line, which is... The pick is a special catheter IV access in babies that's often put in the lower extremity. So this was put in the very lower extremity. And this became obstructed, which is not uncommon in the nurse and staff reassured the family. But this clot, despite treatment, this clot grew from the lower extremity up into the leg veins, up into the femoral veins, up into the inferior vina cava, up into the heart,

18:12and up the heart into the superior vina cava. Oh, my lord. And despite therapy, nothing worked. Jim, that reminds me of the clots that we were seeing showing up on corner studies. That's right. Baby Alex died. We've got to take a break. We'll come back to Jim Thorpe and Baby Alex in just a minute. You wouldn't go a day without brushing your teeth or washing your hands. What about washing your nose? I mean, your nose does filter the air you breathe. Air loaded with bacteria, viruses, and irritants. Make nasal hygiene part of your routine with clear. No messy bottles to fill, no drowning sensation. Clear is a natural drug-free saline with the added benefit of xylitol, which blocks bacterial and viral adhesion. Available in stores and online at clear.com. That is x-al-e-a-r.com. Feeling off since COVID, try the wellness company Spike Detox Trio, packed with nato-kinees,

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20:15Oh, I mean, you, you be the judge of that, but this is a... Here's the problem. This is a pile of abundance on the smoking guns. I would look at it. I mean, the blood clot you're describing, I remember now being described to these big long, several feet long clots in autopsies and patients. Was it a red clotter or white clot? Yeah, good question. Excuse me. This was a... It wasn't described either way, and I don't want to extrapolate it. So, it, it, it's a great question. Was it a white clot or a standard clot? I would be inclined to say it was more of a white clot because it didn't respond to any of the standard therapies and maybe died. So, I, I think that, um, again, I want to, I want to say that this...

21:16They tried to dissolve, give them injections that would dissolve the clot, and it wouldn't dissolve. It wouldn't dissolve, yeah. Correct. And as you know, the white clots, Dr. Tom Haveland, the major in the United States Air Force, and his group recently published a paper, and I, I, I've been in correspondence with him, and a companion paper, much like ours, was two part series, his, uh, part two of that paper. They were both published back to back, like these will be, um, and the lead author on the other paper was Santiago, um, looking at a advanced, rame and spectroscopy, looking at the component of that white clot. But, but getting back to our paper, case number one, baby Alex, who died, um, you know, the problem with assigning, you know, a smoking gun to any of these cases, is because nobody gets a blood transfusion, right?

22:18It's a major medical intervention without another comorbidity, and that comorbidity can always be a potentially confounding variable. So, so that's the issue we have here in front of us. We're not going to have a missus myth who comes in will and elderly, perfectly healthy, and says, oh, I want a blood transfusion. No, that's not going to happen. So, there's always the naysayers that are going to say, oh, well, that baby had a congenital heart malformation. Well, I know that baby Alex did, but I've been around these babies and watching their outcomes for 30 years, and 95% of them don't do perfectly well, right? They do perfectly well. This is an unexpected complication and the size of the clot. So, um, so that's baby Alex. And then I want to shoot down to... To die? Yes. He's in the death cases. He died. He died. Baby Alex died. Oh, and I should mention that the family, you'll be interested in this,

23:21contacted the hospital for records, and the hospital said, we've never seen that patient. We don't have any medical records on this on your child. We never took care of that patient. Now, the family believes this isn't Jim Thor or their attorney. No. This is a family. They believe that the hospital was in deep trouble with this case. They knew they ignored the warning from the parents that wanted donor designated blood. It was there... They ignored it. The baby died of a massive blood clot. Standard complication, as you mentioned, Dr. Bregan from the COVID-19 vaccine. And they knew their... The hospital knew they were screwed. So, they're dragging their heels. Why? Because on a dead baby case, there's usually a two-year statute of limitations.

24:21So, it was the family's belief that the hospital was dragging their heels to impinge upon that two-year standard... Or whatever time frame in this particular state, I don't know, I'm not an attorney. But whatever statute of limitations, they were impinging on the ability of the plaintiff's attorney to get medical records. So, going on, I want to move on to case eight. Because both of these cases are near and dear to my heart. Case eight is a young, beautiful, pregnant woman. And she delivered not too far from your neck of the woods in, I believe, in Pennsylvania. And these were really eyes open, brilliant people.

25:24This was her... Going back a few years, this was her fifth pregnancy. And so, they had had had four... At that point in time, four prior pregnancies, one early miscarriage. But at that time, she was pregnant, three prior term vaginal deliveries by nurse midwives at home. All of which were perfect. And this was her fourth pregnancy, this was a few years ago. Young, thirty something, maybe late twenties. And beautiful family, beautiful children. And, you know, we interviewed her for just a long time. And what happened was that they had another beautiful baby, home birth. And thirty minutes afterwards, then she started bleeding.

26:25And pretty heavily, the nurse midwife did everything appropriately. Couldn't, didn't have IV access, gave intramuscular oxytocin. Most common cause of a postpartum hemorrhage is a relaxed uterus that we call uterine atiny. Didn't respond, but she immediately, she already had a colon to an ambulance. The ambulance got her to the hospital within thirty minutes. And they immediately matched her for blood and gave her eight units of blood products. Now, the source of the bleeding was a cervical laceration, which makes sense. Because she had a firm uterus, baby came out, cervix was lacerated and was just pumping out blood. So, she was doing fine at required eight units of blood. And almost immediately went into disseminated intramuscular coagulation, DIC.

27:28DIC for the viewers that are listening and don't have an ever heard of disseminated intramuscular coagulation, also known as DIC. This is the paradox of where you're bleeding out. But you're actually forming clots in the blood, in the blood vessels, the arteries and the veins, the capillaries. So, what happened was that this was a horribly complicated case. She was hospitalized for 32 days. And then afterward, at about eight weeks, I believe, she had a deep vein thrombosis of blood clot in her leg. Now, she did not have that before. There's ten siblings in that family. Not a one of her siblings have ever had a blood clot, nor had her parents.

28:28So, again, this family feels strongly that these events occurred as a result of the eight units of blood or plasma. Now, I want to say one other thing here that's important. She is our each negative, so she's had Rogam. She's had Rogam that this was like her fifth dose. Why? Because she had four pro... She's our each negative, her babies are our each positive, so she had Rogam with each pregnancy. Now, why do I bring that up? Now, this is Rogam for those listening. Not Rogam, the stuff people put on their head, but Rogam, which is an antibody, and Rogam we've used 30 years, maybe longer than that. Is a product where we use in our each negative women with our each positive pre-borns to prevent our each disease and subsequent pregnancy.

29:30Now, why am I... I say all this because Rogam is derived from pooled human plasma. That means that every single half a teaspoon dose that is injected into mom's muscle, half a teaspoon dose is comprised of thousands of blood donors in their plasma's or pooled, maybe 5,000. Right? So, it brings up the specter of ODEAR. This is not just one blood donor. This may be 5,000 blood donors that I'm injecting Mrs. Baby, you know, pick your name, our each negative mother. So, that's one of the most frequently asked questions over me over the last five years as Dr. Thorpe is, is it really safe for me to take the Rogam? I can't answer that here because that is a very complicated response that requires about an hour to hold hands, the patients hand, and talk to them about options and informed consent and so forth.

30:42And that's actually why pregnant women arguably have a 10 to 13-fold greater risk of requiring a blood transfusion than somebody who is not pregnant in the general population. This case depicts exactly why that is. And by the way, that 10 to 13 estimate was based on a study by Patterson and colleagues and it was time in Comrade Metric. And that was before COVID-19 vaccines. You know that COVID vaccines have drastically increased the risk of pregnancy hemorrhage since the rollout of the vaccine and the victims that have gotten the vaccine. So, you know, it might be twice that risk. It might be three times that risk now. We don't know. Jim, how much is a confounding variable of, instead of getting this from the injection, COVID-19, getting it from shedding or getting it from COVID itself?

31:52I've never had the injection, but I've had COVID quite seriously once and less or say another time. It's a great question, Dr. Bragan. So, I'll answer twofold. First of all, we talk extensively multiple citations on shedding. And shedding, in essence, proves this phenomena in my opinion. And why? Well, because I was involved with the first two papers that really looked at the shedding issue. And it was originally described from our paper with pirato and colleagues at many. And I was one of that, I think I was third author on that paper where we looked at women that had severe menstrual abnormalities that were vaccinated or not. The second paper by Peters at all, and that took, oh my gosh, the medical journal system just really took advantage of that.

32:58I took for about two years to publish, but we published a cohort of women who never had the vaccine, never had COVID, never had a positive COVID test. If they came within six feet, it didn't have to be sexual physical contact or a family member. It was six feet of a vaccinated person. They too experienced this severe menstrual abnormalities. So, it really proves the point. If Mrs. Smith, who never got vaccinated, who never had COVID-19, right, can be six feet away from somebody who's vaccinated. And she has these extraordinary complications. Think about the logarithmic effect it would have if that same individual she was exposed to six feet away, infused their own blood into her, right?

33:58So, it's kind of a very logical that if shedding is real, and I think many clinicians like myself and like you as well, many, many experienced clinicians believe the shedding phenomenon is real. If it's real, think about how more real somebody donating blood who's been recently vaccinated. So, that answers your first part of the question. The second part of your question is, could COVID itself without the vaccination contribute to this? You know, theoretically, absolutely, I think it could. When we look at this most recent paper on long COVID, okay, and this is public. This is actually very recent paper. This is a paper by Rutsff Levi from MIT and his colleague, co-author, Lou. I think it's not. I forget his first name. This is just published.

35:06They took the V-safe database that is HHS CDC database. And off of smartphone data, you remember this and they've used it and corrupted it and it took Aaron Siri. He wrote a 10 part sub-stack series on the corruption of the V-safe and finally got some of the data, including the text data on it. Well, it turns out that it's a disaster. They reported 1.87% of that over 10 million people who got at least one vaccine had major permanent complications that required hospitalization or major adverse event. 1.87%. Let's put that in perspective. Long COVID is really a cover-up for vaccine injury. Now, it does exist. It's my opinion that there are patients with only COVID, no vaccine that may have some long COVID symptoms.

36:20But I would submit to you that that's far less than 10% probably less than 5% because the domains, the epitope, the spike protein is very different from the vaccine, mRNA versus the Wuhan virus mRNA. So I think your point is well taken. You know, by the way, Halshar did an excellent sub-stack on this paper. A RETSF Levi, by the way, brilliant. I believe he's a PhD from MIT. And the guy is brilliant. I think he's one of the MIT professors who got Steve Kirsch, I helped get Steve Kirsch, a platform, remember three years or so ago at MIT. But the data is stunning and Nick Halshar, my friend, it, it, it, and co-author. He's a co-author on this paper, actually.

37:27And many others that we've done together, he did the sub-stack, you should look at it late, late last week. 50% of those 10 million people required hospitalization, had severe complications like I talked about permanent, did not have, weren't able to do their job or go to school. 50%. And with that, we need our second break. We will be right back. Are you tired of struggling with low energy? We get it. That's why we created organic energy juice. In just one minute, you'll have clean, natural energy all day and never struggle with low energy again. And it tastes amazing. And there's no toxic chemicals or stimulants that make you crash. You shouldn't have to struggle with low energy and with organic energy juice, you won't. If you're struggling with low energy, then buying organic energy juice is the right decision. With our double your money back guarantee, there is zero risk to try it. Go to chemicalfreebody.com, forward slash out loud for an exclusive discount. That's chemicalfreebody.com, forward slash out loud.

38:37And we're back with Dr. Peter Bregan, Ginger Bregan, Dr. James Thorpe, and this is the Bregan Hour, which airs Saturdays and Sundays at 4 p.m. on AmericaOut Loud.News. You can hear it live there and then it goes to podcast everywhere on Monday. Hi, Jim. Please continue. This is just fascinating. We're in our last segment now. Thank you. So we best get to part two because we don't want to leave our guests. What in the world? You part one was a handful. And part one is the collaborating references supporting our hypothesis is extensive. And it's hard to argue with. I might ask, I might propose when I say COVID-19 derived potential contaminants, what does that mean? Well, let's talk about what that could mean.

39:48That could mean the lipid nanoparticles. That could mean the vaccine, mRNA, the modified pseudo-your-deleted mRNA that hangs around in the blood for a long time in an exosome. That could include spike protein, a very possible and likely candidate, but also much more. Remember that Dr. David Speaker, one of the co-authors and you may know Kevin McCurne have described this plasma DNA contaminant from the E. coli in the production process, which is very dangerous. And that has exceeded the safety limits in the concentration of the vaccine. So that's four or five different contaminants that you've just named. If I'm coming right and there's more. And in a single COVID-19 vaccine.

40:53There's more. Oh my golly. There's more. You're looking at this. You know, I mean, I knew this, but it doesn't stick. SV 40. Right. The cancer promoter. There's more. It gets worse. Missfolded protein. Preion disease. There's, it gets worse. Fibrein. Fibrein. Agregates microclots. In the hulsher paper, one of the paper he reviewed 100% of the patients had those. Fibrein. Aggregate microclots. It gets worse. Amaloid. And it gets worse. How about Parkinson's disease and crits fel, Jacob disease that are mediated by Missfolded proteins. And what do you mean mediated?

41:54Well, what I mean is that if if if you look at. Crits fel, Jacob disease. And you'll see that in 2021, there are some suggestion that the COVID-19 vaccine caused. Crits fel, Jacob disease, which is a preion disease and it's a brain disease that is untreatable actually and deadly. Right. Luke Montagniay, a form of Nobel laureate, described 26 cases of crits fel, Jacob disease. The Frenchman, yes. Yeah. And and after the vaccine. So the whole concept of folding and missfolding a protein is is very real. So that brings me back to what did we do in part two. Right. In part two, what we did was we did a various analysis CDC FTA, various V A E R S vaccine adverse event reporting system. And we looked at relevant lower level terms in the various database.

43:02Now, this brings me to an important point. We believe that this potential contamination, the blood. Does not just affect unvaccinated. Oh, no. It might affect the vaccinated even worse. Right. Because they were already contaminated. There you go. There you go. They were sensitive. That's right. So this is not a divisive issue. We're all in this boat together. Whether you're vaccinated or unvaccinated and this needs to be looked at. So we looked at relevant variables in the database. And all of these patients were vaccinated. You know, we looked at, okay, what's the risk of hemorrhage? What's the risk of risk of hemorrhage and pregnancy? What's the risk of blood transfusion? Right. And we're comparing COVID-19 vaccine with other vaccines, non-COVID vaccines. Influenza alone, pertussis alone, all other non-COVID vaccines together. Those three comparisons.

44:04So we also then looked at transfusion complications. There you have it. That was one of the lower level terms. COVID-19 vaccinated patients are much more likely to have transfusion complications compared with those patients that have had influenza that have had pertussis or all other non-COVID vaccines. Stunning safety signal. And by the way, it's really the same with other potentially mediated diseases like Parkinson's disease, which is related to the beta sheet and protein misfolding. And critsfeld Jacob disease was substantially increased in those receiving the COVID vaccine versus others. So, and then we have a whole cadre of other supporting literature that looked at this. So we also, the other I should mention is pre-on disease itself was dramatically increased after COVID-19 vaccine compared to other vaccines.

45:21So this just kind of opens up Pandora's box pre-on disease because people need to know these are really terrible. Yeah, if you could describe pre-on disease, I can probably and then you could. Yeah, pre-on disease is really the entity of a pre-on, which is a small molecule and that it will self replicate in terms of misfolding. You don't understand that as you don't RNA in the normal RNA is in the cytoplasm and it's, you know, in the mitochondria and it's going up the mechanism that assembles the amino acids. There's a three amino acids sequence boom, you know, one of the amino acids goes in. There's another one another and that assembly protein then is assembled in total and then it is an energy dependent process to take that long strand of amino acids and that it folds in a physiologic way.

46:34Right, if parts of that domain, if there's a frame shifting mutation or segments of that that are then translated into a protein that doesn't belong in the blood, which happens frequently with the after the COVID-19 vaccine, then you have a misfolded protein, which can be termed a pre-on. And some of these pre-ons are self replicating when you get them in the blood, they cause other proteins to misfold as such. And by the way, it's kind of the Havalan paper and the Santiago paper that looked at these long white cloth circling back to that that appear to be assembled from spike protein. That's a lot of spike protein. Some of those white cloths are huge.

47:38That's a great question. That's a great comment. And you know, we believe I've published before and this is hypothesis and I've published this with with with my brother and others that it's not just the spike protein and the misfolding protein, but we we posit that there is a intracellular and extracellular energy steel because remember the folding process of the protein, the functional folding process of a protein is energy dependent. So if it requires energy, so if you're stealing energy from the system, from the cell to produce spike protein and you have an energy deficit, we believe that there's going to be much more likely to have misfolded proteins. So it might be and nobody else has really talked about that except us. We don't know that for sure, but we hypothesize that and it would make sense that there were multiple variables associated with the aggregation of these massive white cloths.

48:50Thank you. So finish on the second paper. We've got seven minutes left. I want to make sure you finish with the basics. Yeah, you know, I think that the the points. I think I've made the salient in points with case one and case two. I would like to kind of switch gears a little bit because we have a lot of listeners that I'm your platform that are scratching their heads and are really fearful. It's like, okay, if I get in a car accident, I don't have a choice. Well, you're right. You're right. But there are choices that you can make to prepare. And one of them is safeblood.com. And that goes to my colleague who is a dear friend. I don't have any conflicts of interest with safeblood.com. The founder, as as I've mentioned, is Clinton, Overse, PhD.

49:58And he's a devout Christian man, godly man. I know him, his wife, his children, I've met. They're good people. And Clinton, Overse has a PhD. He's very brilliant. He's been on multiple platforms. Yes, he has a founder. This is a 501 C3. But they're not a blood bank. Safeblood.com. What they do is they will orchestrate wherever you are, whether it's Ithaca, New York, whether it's Pensacola, Florida, whether it's Boise, Idaho, or in my case, you know, outdoing contract work in the middle of the country. If you are at risk for having a transfusion, requiring a transfusion like pregnant women or like even subset of pregnant women that have really significant potential bleeding convict occasions with a placenta, preview or with a placenta.

51:09Another type of placental problem called placenta accreta, then you really need to consider signing up for this safe blood. What would the safeblood do? It will go to your area and say, oh, okay. Here are a dozen people that have not taken the COVID-19 vaccine and they have volunteered to donate blood in your area. So that's what safeblood does. Wherever you are in the United States, it has a database of people that are willing to donate their non-vaccinated blood. So let me give you an example. When I was in, I won't mention the town or the name of the hospital, but, you know, gosh, probably less than a year ago, was very, very busy doing these contract works in various states.

52:09You know, I had several patients with these conditions, too particular. And I said, you know, you're going to probably need blood and there is potential concerns. And you know, I got to tell you that Clinton Oler's was amazing. It's like I personally called him up. Well, within 10 minutes, he was willing to actually speak with my patients, hold their hands and set up, take him through this process. Because, you know, the four pillars of medical ethics have really been violated. What they would like to do after they injected everybody with COVID-19, they said, oh, we don't want to do donor designated blood anymore. Okay, wait a minute. What? We've always done that. But there are several states that have actually outlawed it. Now, really, what goes on is you have to just plan in advance. You know, there are hospitals. If they're contracted with a certain blood bank and you have a certain hospital, they won't allow you to do that. But most of the hospitals and blood banks, I think, will allow you to do that.

53:23But it takes orchestration and communication. It takes time. What about husband and wife donating, checking their blood ahead of time and donating? Great question. We generally don't do that. And here's the reason why. Because the father, let's say, is biologically related to the fetus. Right. So if you give the father's blood, you could sensitize mother with one of the father and fetus with one of the potential antigens. Oh, he's like that. No, I don't have plans for babies. So you're creating a problem similar to our H disease with another antigen syndrome like Cal or one of these other blood. What Peter was asking is if an individual not a pregnant mom, but a family relational, a family member.

54:29If one person ends up needing blood, can a family member donate? Absolutely. Their blood is clean or as clean as it can be. Absolutely. And that can be worked with safe blood. Or yeah, safe blood. Yes. Yes, it can. And they can help orchestrate that. The main issue is the level of red, you know, paper that you have to go through with the hospital and with a blood bank that is contracted with the hospital. They discourages. They don't like to do it. Jim, we've just got a minute and 23 seconds left. Would you tell people how you can be found your website and any other special socials that you're on? Thank you. Yes. And thank you so much for having me. You can find me on my website at drJamesthorpe.com.

55:34drz. Dr. James Thorpe, no, e on the Thorpe.com. You can find me on acts at J-A-T-H-O-R-P-M-F-M as in Mary, Francis, Mary, all over case. You can find me on real America's voice. You can find me on America out loud with Malcolm occasionally. We've been doing a lot together lately and other venues as well. So we just ask you to look at our new book of which Dr. Peter Bragan is a contributor in God we heal and also sacrifice how the deadliest vaccine in history targeted the most vulnerable. Dr. James Thorpe, thank you so much for coming on our show. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jim. You're looking good by the way.

56:36But we're out of time. We love you. We'll talk to you later. Love you guys. Thanks for having me. Thank you.