Classic Television Shows - The Paranormal Strange Unexplained Haunted

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1:02to the next level. Aftermath.media, the ultimate resource for parapolitical and paranormal fans. Visit Aftermath.media and subscribe today. That's Aftermath.media. You're listening to everything out there with your host, Steve Stockton. Hello, friends. Hello, everybody, once again, welcome back to everything out there on the Clyde Lewis Ground zero radio network. I'm Steve Stockton. Welcome in. Tonight, joining me once again, Cisco from, it's a name of yours, oh, it's journey through the gate, Paranormal Portal podcast. Do you have brain lock up? Yeah, she's a paranormalist. She's an author. And we're going to talk about some classic Paranormal and supernatural TV shows from way far up. Come on in here, Cisco, how you doing?

2:03How's it going? It's good to be here. It's good to be back. I've got baby brain. We went to the OB today. Baby's chugging right along. Heart sounds good. Everything's looking good. But it's all I can think about. I bet, I bet. Well, you got to get in that mood, because I saw you going to be able to think about for a long, long time. Yeah, somebody told me I was going to stick my head in the barrel and holler daddy. So that's okay. It's going to be fun. I'm going to watch him grow up. It's going to be a wonderful day. I can't hardly wait. Mom washington, I mean, oh, someday, I hope you have a son that's just like you. Oh, honey. My mama, my mama told me she's, I still remember how she looked when she said she was standing in the kitchen at Oakhurst, New Jersey. Probably around 1973. And she looked at me, she said, I hope you have five that are just like you. And I said, well, I'll never forget it. As she pointed at me, she meant it, too. It was like a curse. And I had two boys and a lot of them. I had two boys that were like a dozen.

3:04So she got it. That's all right, you're working. To be a boy, dad. I'm looking for two of you. You need any pointers. I'm right here. I got mine. It was a rocky road, but they lived through it. I think it's going to be easier with a boy than it was with a girl that remains to be seen. Different types of problems, I'm sure. I'll tell you what, it's the best thing in life, either way. Well, I guess we'd better get to talk comparing normal TV. We said you're going to talk to half ground. We've been on the phone for a while now. Yes, so that was it. We were talking, you're on my show this weekend. We always do those great Monday shows. We have a blast. And I started talking about it Sunday on my show. It started looking at a lot of these older paranormal shows. I mean, they're great across country we found. By digging into them, we discovered the wonderful, the extraordinary, out of Australia. If nobody's ever heard that one, it's fantastic.

4:05It's with the host is Warwick Moss. I'll never forget it. It's wonderful. And very similar to, I'd say an unsolved mysteries wouldn't you, Steve? Yeah, I think so. And just different part of the world, but the same type of show. Very, very good. Wonderful. Wonderful reenactments, the history, the backstory, the way they tell the story, very similar to like the unsolved mysteries. If the person is there, the witness will have an interview with them and maybe bring in an expert or whatever you want to call and expert somebody who at least has knowledge of the subject you're talking about. And they bring them in. And the way they did it, the format was great. He was a great host. The range was really good because you'd have everything from the fun stories like the woman who lost her wedding ring on the beach, walking with her husband or whatever. And her son later, I'm making this part up,

5:08but it was similar to this. Her son, their son was fishing or something and caught a fish and they cut it open. There was the ring or those kind of stories as crazy wild, believe it or not, type things. But also ghost stories like our favorite mine and yours, I mean, gosh, at least in the top 100, and it would have to be, maybe even the top 10, but the Telly Savales ghost stories. Yeah, that's one of my favorite of all time. Telly, telly, telly, telly was a young man. He was, I think he was a little kiddo, a little kiddo. Hope State, New York, I think is where this happened. Yeah, I believe so. I don't remember. New York, I believe. He ran around the house. And he's walking along trying to find a gas station that's a mill tonight. Oh, didn't he have a gas can? I don't remember that part. But anyway, he's trying to find a gas station. He doesn't have any money. And somebody stops to pick him up. And it's a guy in a nice car wearing a white suit.

6:08And he had a real high-pitched voice, like this. And no. That's cool, you're like, whatever. Yeah, that's the coolest voice ever. Well, anyway, he takes him to the gas station, all night gas station, gives him a buck, or two bucks, or whatever it was to buy some gas. Takes him back to his car, helps him get it. So I think he had to push him to get it started. First the car. I telly, telly, telly, emphasize that. And we forgot the key, the key thing. When he pulled over, what did he say, Steve? I'll give you a ride. Yeah, that's the scariest part. And telly, you know, said, no, I'm the arist. I said, let me pay you back. And the guy gave him a card with his address. I was a card for a bar or something, a business card. And he put his name and phone number, I guess the phone number is already on there. But telly was going to send him the money back. And he ended up calling the number on the card, asked for this person.

7:10And they said, hold on a minute. And then a woman gets on the phone. Yes, boy, does he? And she gets mad, hangs up on him. A bar, mad. And he calls back, and I want to talk to this man. He gave me this card. And she's like, you son of a, you know what? He's been dead for two or three years or whatever. But he ended up going in meeting with the lady. And they compared to writing where the guy had written his name on the back of the card. It did look like his writing. But the guy had been dead. And later on, he couldn't go through it or something, or something like that. He shot some in the throat. I think he shot a shot. It was horrible. That's why his voice was like that. The lady said, and telly's like to describe it in him. He had all the white scooters. She's like, that's what he was very dead. Yep, yep. Same thing. He had a high pitched voice. And she's like, oh no, he had a, he had a, he's like, he had a high pitched voice. But then the later, he was playing, I think he was in Los Angeles at this time.

8:10He was playing golf, but then he changed the host of the nighttime prices right later on. And he said they played like the seventh hole, the eighth hole, the ninth hole. And then they went in the clubhouse to get some lunch. And no, no, I left out part of it. While they were out there playing golf. Maggie, you turn. Up on the hill. He says the same guy in the white suit. I'm a line girl. Hey, friend. He says, did you hear what happened in Dallas? And I think he went ahead and said they shot the president or something like that. Or maybe he just said, if you hear what happened in Dallas. And then he started to help him. From the first part. When he picked him up in the car the first time, I think there was some baseball player. Yes, yes. I don't think Telly and Herd open. He's like, I know him. Well, he found out the next day that baseball player had died. At the same time he was telling him about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he said they weren't talking about baseball. They just pulled it out of the air. And he pulled it out of the air. And it was the fact that happened next day.

9:12Yeah. So he's on the line toll. And the guy says, hey, I think he called him by name. He said, I believe I think he was like on the six for the seventh hole. Yeah, I called him by name and said, did you hear what happened in Dallas? That's it. And then the wave, Adam, and then moved on. Well, then they played a couple more holes. Then they went in the clubhouse to eat some lunch. They sat down and then their food was being served. Or maybe they were finishing up. Then Walter Cronkite breaks in on the CVS and said, President Kennedy has been shot in Dallas. And there you go. And he said like an hour and a half before he had been told on that, at that golf course, but he was on the line. I don't know, I think he said the guy had, which is weird. And and telly, he's a no bullshit kind of guy. Right, right. We're off in tumble, yeah. Yeah, and I believe every word of it. But the thing that you and I want to know, and if anybody listening out there knows,

10:13telly said there's, he was talking to the interviewer and he said, there's more to this story, but I'm not going to tell you that. And he left and hanging like that. You'll be sure, dude. Yeah, we've searched in books, biographies about telly interview or something. I want to know what the part was. He didn't tell that guy. Yeah, George, so I was, he died before telly did. I was hoping maybe he knew who he might have wrote the book. Maybe, maybe want to telly's was he married Steve? Do you remember? I think he was in a more, let's look it up. I bet you he was in a marriage that long time and never straight. I bet you he was that kind of guy. He was that kind of guy. And he could have so much self kind of respect, you know what I mean? It's just a guess, but it's probably good one. I know. I want to know the rest of that story. I do. Somebody somewhere knows he's told it to somebody on batch. He just didn't want to tell it to that guy because he'd already gave him two really good parts of it. But if anybody out there has ever heard the third part of the telly's of all this ago story, get in touch.

11:13You can, the email address should be in the show description, but Steve's talking 81 at gmail.com. Let me know if you know the third part or more of that telly's of all those ghost stories, one of the best ghost stories I've ever heard. Absolutely true. Okay, so telly, okay, so his name, oh my gosh, it's all Greek to me, Steve. Yeah. Are are you still tell us? Are you still tell us? Is this first name? Telly's of all is January 21st, 1922. The January 22nd, wow, one day difference. 1994 with an American actor, noted first ball head and deep resonant voice. Yeah. I think George died in an 85 or 87 or something like that. So he'd been dead a while. So we thought maybe George knew, but George didn't do anything longer. But yeah, I want to see if he has kids. If he has the next wife, if he has, you know, any other. Here we go. Here we go.

12:13We're going to find out right now. Catherine, she was great. You know, I'm guessing Nicolades married 1948 divorced. Okay, 1957. So 10 11 years. Yeah. That's what I have heard that at least the Kennedy part. 1960, 1974 was Maryland. And then Julie 1984 till his death. So 10 years of peace. Three of them, 10 years of peace. Eh. There's at least any kids there. And I guess you're looking at Wikipedia. Well, yep, six. That's if this is accurate. He's got six, including Ariana Sevalas. It doesn't list them all. It just says there's six. And she's, I think she's an actress or a singer or something. Ariana Sevalas. I don't know. Let's find out. Wow. If you know any of Telly's relatives, friends, we're going to get to the bottom. American singer, songwriter, and burlesque performer.

13:13She has performed in burlesquevarras worldwide, including as the MC and singer for Dito Dita Vantesi. Oh, Dita Vantesi, I bet I may have seen her in Vegas. I used to do photography for a burlesque group out there. So I may have taken pictures. You might as well know it. And that the crazy horsecaverane pairs. Well, now there you go. She's the hottest, yeah. That's so she's still alive. Then we'll get a hold of her and see. Did your dad ever tell you any ghost stories? The rest of that story tells the rest of the story. I'm Paul Harvey. And now we know the rest of the story. Yeah. So there you go. So what are we talking about? TV show. I'm talking about TV shows. Oh, yeah. So that was on the TV show. So that's your phone of them. That's just one of them. That's the extraordinary. And again, out of Australia. So if you've never seen that, there's videos and episodes, full episodes on the inner tubes for the listeners. If you like ghost stories, UFO stories, abduction stories and tell these devils

14:15is in there somewhere, at least most of the story. But it's a heck of a part you get. Steve's right. This is one of the most incredible end-to-end story. It has everything. Premonition. It's got a ghostful and up in a ghost car. Steve, where the clothing was buried in. Do what? What would you say? I think I lost you. Do I lose you? Yeah, I think. One of us lost half of that. Yeah, I'm here, too. OK, so we're here. OK, so that story's got everything. So it's got a ghost driving up in the ghost car. And the clothes he was buried in, talking with the funny boys, I'll give you a hug. Because he did something to his throat or thing. He'd give them a piece of paper. So there is a passing of a physical item, OK? His handwriting, his phone number, which works, connects to the wife, who's so astonished at first,

15:16she cussed with him out. And I think that tickled Telly. Yeah, I'm going up, going down there. He, that just lit him up right there. He just loved that. And she told him to go straight to hell. He called him a bastard. He saw the phone, and I went out on my island and there's somewhere out there. Yeah, oh, it's beautiful. He wants that again. And he slammed the phone down just like we used to be able to do. And we had those kind of phones and called it right back and told her again about the story. He said, I believe the words were, it was too much. They had to meet the signature, the way he described him to her. That was his car, that was his car, you know? So how does a ghost make a car physical like that, Steve? And he helped Telly's with his car. And he had money. He's got it all. Yeah. And he got out and pushed Telly's car, gave him cash money, I believe it was a dollar. If I go right, he wrote his name and that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing.

16:16Victory Lane? Yeah, it's even better with Chamba by my side. Race to ChambaCasino.com. Let's Chamba. No purchase necessary, VTW Group, void work prohibited by law, CTSC's, 21 plus, sponsored by Chamba Casino. Yeah. And then predicted, now we sit there, predicted the poor baseball players demise, right? And accurately so, because the next day it's in the headlines, Telly's reading the paper. So you've got Premonish for talent, future. It's the gamut, that's why that's the ultimate ghost story, I think, okay. And then come back and predict the, you know, hey, do you ever have an endowals? You know, at a full hour before, it's announced on National TV, I believe it was maybe an hour and change. Yeah. You know, I think. Yeah, before. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's got it all, folks, it's got it all end of mystery at the tail end where he's like, he's got to be a cheeky monkey and say, well, there's a little bit more,

17:18but I'm not going to tell you, you know, so what, because that's the kind of guy tell he is because he's got that respect. He's got that kind of, there was some kind of things you just didn't, you know, say. You got some hoots by there. I got some cookies on. Yeah. And this is all I'm going to tell you. Yeah. Yeah. Plus, he's, he's covering for a friend or he's covering for, I respect for somebody else or it's off color and doesn't want, you know, he'll hint towards things, but that's just how people were back then. I mean, look at you, Brenner. And the way he tells it, it's just so matter, back to me. Oh. Oh. It's just, yeah. It's like your dad never talks about anything, doesn't make full paragraphs, you know, like your 1950s dad or something comes home, looks at the paper, puts the slippers on and just turn, you know, whatever the game, you know, doesn't want to hear really, you know, those kind of fictional dads don't say anything and then all of a sudden busting out with this like amazing, you know, like he's believed all the long kind of things. Like, well, I'll tell you a story, you know, you can't think of nothing.

18:23Let me tell you a story. I got to go. Let me tell you this story. Yeah. This is all you want to hear it. I'll tell you. That's how he starts out. If you want to hear it, I'll tell you. You're going to listen. I'll tell you. But, you know, I don't want any crap for it. You know, I kind of think he's like, you don't even look at me funny. You know, he just had that kind of reputation. Who loves your babies? It's probably be. Thank you, Kelly, because that's probably the best ghost. No. I'm going to tell you some of us could shave his head and walk around with the lollipop and sunglasses and a little pork pie hat on his head. I think that that is one of a bitch walking down the street. Madness mother on the street. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Totally agree. And that term, Kojak, that's in the 70s and 80s. That was a coach. Remember any whore telly went New York City. There's a parking spot right out front of building. And we'll go somewhere with my friends. We found a spot up front. We say, Oh, look, we Kojak. Kojak. Yep. Because he always pull right up front was always spot for toe. I'll tell you what. That's just how he was. I love that. I love that show too.

19:23It wasn't a part of the show. That was it. That was a very realistic cop show. Yeah. He was a lady's man and a man's man. I mean, he was all business and. Yeah. I like it. Remember he had the players club international. You know, the little corner of that. Yeah. For a while. Wow. I believe it goes. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. He was extremely cool. He was. He was very like liquor cool. Yeah. Yeah. And the other George. They didn't even look relating. A little short fat guy with curly hair. Correct. So right. So right. So. And I'll tell you something. If you ever saw a telly with hair would horrify you. Yeah. And this doesn't look right. I thought once and I just it's like we're looking at a family without a mustache and just it shouldn't be done. Shouldn't be done. Well, what I want you. Frogs or something from the 70s. And he said that he plays a natural. There's something. No mustache. Yeah. Yeah. And then you hear the voice. And it's like, OK, yeah, that is. Yeah. Look. It's horrible.

20:23It's disturbing. I can't do it. You know, but it's just very bothersome. It's funny how we get used to stuff like that. So that's one show folks. The extraordinary. One show we got a whole list here when they have to make this a multi-parter. Well, another one too was. Creepy Canada. Now, some of these titles may confuse you. I don't believe it's as much on the extraordinary. That's really easy to find on the internet on the internet. But Creepy Canada. It changed like twice. I've seen it aired under three different names now. I think what happens is they'll sell off. Oh, you know, a couple seasons of a show or whatever. Somebody will buy them in a group. You know, I guess almost like you go and buy a handful of clearance at the blockbuster or something. Get a bunch of movies. You know, what you got. You got a lot of gas station. You started with video cassettes. You could get. That's for like five dollars or three for 10 or whatever.

21:23And then they did that with DVDs and CDs and stuff. So yeah, the cutout bin or the. Some of that stuff once it was in the public domain. Anybody could make copies and print boxes. And then they sent them for cheap. They bought those types and this in bulk. And then anybody could do it. There's a lot of stuff that was in public domain. I don't know if that was. But a lot of times TV stations would buy packages where like, well, we'll save the first two seasons for this amount. They buy it and then they could run it with their fill. It's the local stations or whatever. So things like that. Once it gets into syndication, you can show up anywhere. Hey, it's Mama Wallace from 2311 Racing. You know, it feels like forever. Sitting on a plane waiting for takeoff. Good thing. I've got Jumbo Casino with daily boost in social casino games on tap. This is a kind of fun that makes time fly. Why not turbocharger downtime? Play now at JumboCasino.com. Let's Jumbo. Sponsored by Jumbo Casino.

22:24No purchase necessary. VGW GroupFord. We're prohibited by law. 21 plus terms and conditions apply. I think I lost you or you lost me. Are you there now? Yeah, down here. Okay. What I was saying. I think what like with creepy Canada, I knew it was them because they always had this maple leaf, which was I was kind of cool for, you know, or Canadian friends. And I'm like, I saw this before this whole format, but this name is different. And then it showed up somewhere else under another name. So I think they do that a lot with, you know, not just a paranormal, but other shows who probably noticed it a lot with paranormal. But the new ones are doing that a lot. They're, they're, they must be shifting around from channel to channel, you know. I was watching one, one that jumped that was a big show that spanned a couple of decades. The way it fell was ghost hunters. And I think that was probably one of the, not, I don't want to say the first that ever did investigation.

23:28Because most haunted was out. And that was in the UK. But if you had to go back, I think probably the first one that really started doing it, it wasn't a television show, but it was a radio show. And that was ghost watch. And that was Peter Underwood out of the UK. And that was probably this means 60s. Yeah. While I was trying to look back to see when was the first ghost hunting type of thing. And you have to go back earlier than that. And that's Harry Price. Yeah. Because he did do those things. He did have say ounces. And it's, you know, clinical kind of what he would call clinical experiments. I guess they're not only at the Borley. Uh, rectory there in the UK. Where is that Steve? That's, is that my liking for? I think so. I think so. That sounds right. My geography of that country is a little shaky. Yeah. Mine as well.

24:28So don't get mad at me if you're across the pond. Um, but anyway, uh, nevertheless, I think those guys started it. I know that if you asked me, who was the first one to use ghost hunter? A lot of people might jump and say. On's holster. Or someone around that era. But you'd have to go back to Harry Price again, because that was like 1938. And I don't recall if anybody before that used ghost hunter. But his first book was. What was it a lifetime with a ghost hunter or something like that? A lot of times it goes. Something like that. Close to it. Close to it. But he did use ghost hunter on the cover of the book. I've seen it. And, um, to go back into television. And I get I think to reach back. I was looking at it today. We were going to talk about this. It's interesting to see because it shifts with, of course, culture and what's popular and pop culture and everything else.

25:29And, you know, what people are interested in. That's what had the whole. Spiritualism movement going in the first place, you know, right after the First World War. You know, and everybody's losing so many people that they care about. Of course, they're interested in looking for a diversion at the same time. And they're having deeper dinner parties and tea and cakes and then. Bring out the Ouija board or the say outs cable or whatever. My mom's side of the family. I'm like one and all those people got involved in spiritualism. They lost. I think it was a. My mom's a great uncle or somebody. And, uh, World War one. He just he never came home. They never got word that he had died. But they decided they wanted to do this to try to get in touch with him. Yeah. The say ounces and the Ouija boards and stuff. Never would tell them that he had died. So they believe he just took a powder and stayed in Europe or went somewhere else and. Then come back around his family. So who knows, but that's how they got involved in the spiritualism of. Practice that up through probably the late sixties into the seventies.

26:30Man, I think that's what draws a lot of people. Yeah. And people that are interested in it because that's what drives, you know, the sales of the books and the people that listen to the old radio shows and things like that. Which again, look up ghost watch, Peter Underwood. I love short ghost stories and and just this wonderful way he had a telling them. He's got a lot of good ones on there and you know, I've seen them on YouTube and many other different little places. So just putting ghost watch Peter Underwood metal pop up and had a little radio show. So on that radio show, he would talk about his investigation and he was the president, I believe of. What was the name of the paranormal, something society of, you know, very prestigious, you know, and I think he held president for a couple of decades. But you know, this is a bunch of upper crusty kind of guys, you know, and you know, they're very proper and and using the tools that they had available to them.

27:34You know, they're fantastic. You're back and watch these films of him going through Borley and how they sat in the dark. I mean, not unlike us, you know, the decades later, same thing sitting in dark rooms waiting for a light to, to blink or somebody to knock. You know, we're doing the same stuff, but it was incredible to watch. And he's sitting there with his friend into whispering and like, did you hear this? You get like this scratching and this banging and stuff and they're sitting in Borley rhetoric. It's incredible footage, you know. So I would say if we're going to talk about paranormal television, we'd have to reach back that far and, and realize that it started not just around the dinner tables and the disay on table and the radio, you know, also before TV. Because you had me looking back and man, we started looking at the paranormal early, you know, when TV started to, you know, make radio look like, you know, old hat, you know.

28:38Yeah. I mean, some of them are really good like one step beyond that was very early. I don't want to look back on my. Did you brought that back? I think in the 80s called the next step beyond. Did they really? Yeah, there's another, there's the same same type thing. And then there's incredible. The game shows and things like what's my line? They would have guests on there that had psychic abilities and could talk to ghosts. All the games show that. And again, that's one of the things that I saw too looking up when the 50s and the 60s. I said the major stuff too was local television stations that would do local hauntings. And hey, we, you know, especially we've talked about a thousand times around Halloween. Halloween. And one of the news makers out to the local haunted house and they tell the story. And a lot of times everybody there knew it, but you didn't hear it outside of that little town or wherever the TV station was. So true. And well, they're, they're a gold mine of information because they'll send the reporter to the, you know, to the haunted house.

29:45But how many times do those things actually produce good evidence? You know, at least interesting evidence, you know, we talked about it on the show too. And I believe the ghost story we talked about Steve was, I bet you will recall it because it was wild. And it was one of those things where, of course, we've had the ones where the radio station got in a boat and went out to a haunted boat that was wrecked, you know. And, you know, off the pier or whatever and they said it was haunted. And they'd go out there and they were playing ghost busters and the ghost started messing with them and took all their electric out and all these other things happen. You know, they didn't see anything, but there was a lot of odd things happening to them. So it was kind of like turned them to believers, you know, but there's a better one. And it was on the extraordinary one, the show we were just talking about. And it was a radio station. And it was a radio station hosted by a man that had a real kind of a, I could say soupy sales, but nobody young is going to know who I mean by that.

30:53Who's the guy that had the funny music? He was from the UK. Oh God, he was so silly, but he was known to be very naughty and he got away with a lot of stuff. It was just silly stuff. He was like. Was it Benny Hill? Yes, well, perfect. It was a real Benny Hill kind of guy, but or like a Don Rickles would get up there and say off color stuff or, you know, that kind of thing. So he was known as up not really a shock, but a naughty one. So he goes with his crew and they go to this haunted place and he's all, yeah, right? Okay, you know, ghosties, boo, boo, and all that kind of thing. And they're making fun of the whole thing. And they're do he gets them playing the song and there's a medium there. And she's sitting there through the last couple of songs and you know, hyping it up. And so they cut to it. They cut off the song and he says some quick, quick, quirky little thing.

31:56And she says, okay, well, watch this or here. I'll show you what I mean or something along those lines. And all of a sudden, she, she has the ability to manipulate energy. And she would pull forward these different spirits that she had been talking to and spirit guides. And I guess in light and beings and things like that. So they're sitting there watching her face morph and change into a Chinese man and they're astonished by this. And then it morphed back and then it went to hers and then it would go to something else. So almost like you would imagine we've watched, you know, where wolves change on film or somebody's face start to appear over somebody else's. And they explained it like that. Do you remember this story, Steve? And the whole radio crew, did I lose you? We didn't pull us around. I had my mic. Sorry about that.

32:56Do you remember? I remember, but I can't think of the name of it. Yeah, it was on the extraordinary. I know that for sure. And yeah, I don't know the, you know, the man, the radio host guy is famous there. But I, I had never heard of him before, but he went in making all, you know, making fun of this whole thing. And then he's seen these extraordinary things, known, you know, happily named. So anyway, he said that the whole crew sat there and watched her face morph into five or six different. Hello, it is Ryan. And I was on a flight the other day playing one of my favorite social spin slot games on chumbacacino.com. I looked over the person sitting next to me. You know what they were doing? Playing chumbacacino. Everybody's loving having fun with it. Chumbacacino is home to hundreds of casino style games that you can play for free anytime, anywhere. So sign up now at chumbacacino.com to claim your free welcome bonus. It's chumbacacino.com and live the chumbacacino. Sponsored by chumbacacino. No purchase necessary VGW group void for prohibited by law 21 plus terms and conditions apply.

33:58Beans actually or faces if you want to say it that way. So after that, you know, well, I guess after that you play a couple of were songs or whatever he said. And then the next thing was she was walking the house trying to see if she picked up any earthbound ghosts, you know, or whatever there. And while they were sitting and talking him and I guess this producer or at least one of the tech guys or somebody that was there for the radio station with him. They watch a full apparition of a female dressed in period clothes back in at least a hundred years. Dressed more like a servant type with the white fluffy ruffled hat type thing that servants would wear and the roughly kind of apron over a big skirt, not a hoop skirt, but a big full skirt that they would have wore. I guess back then, so you know, whatever was going on in England back, you know, I don't know what year I'm not a historian from there.

35:01I have a hard enough time pulling colonial America, but similar to those times. So ran here would have been like 1776 they would have been wearing something like that. I don't know in Britain if it would have been earlier or later at the same time, but that's what he described. And he said when she walked by, he said, I don't know what to tell you she walked by. I saw I could see through her. I could see the wrinkles in her skirt. I could see that's how I knew the apron was ruffled. He said I could see them the ruffles on a on an apron that was over the skirt and he said the way she walked. He said I watched it move. He said I could, but I can see through it. He said she looked like you and I and he was just astonished. He told face and change from beginning to end, you know, it was incredible because they had a couple of video shots of it because it was a promo for a radio station. So you got a couple of video shots of it. So he looks quite different from when they were setting up and unraveling the cables to get ready for this thing, making all the jokes and elbow and people and, you know, make in front of the medium and stuff.

36:06And by the end of it, they were very quietly winding up their equipment and leaving disbelief and amazement, you know. So that's why those shows are so great because if we didn't have shows like that, we're talking really basically mostly here about the realistic shows because when most people are seeking ghost stories and paranormal, they want to be able to believe I guess going in that it's real. We'll settle for something that's made up and, you know, out of somebody's imagination. If it's believable and you're basing it on realistic facts, if you're going to go full hog the other way, you've got to let us know because you see what I mean, that's how I've always felt about it. It's like if I know about it going, okay, this is going to be a silly slash or film, you know, kind of thing. And then you know what to expect. But if you're going to tell me this is a true story, you better hold to the physics of it that, you know, we know so far, you know, you don't want to.

37:07I don't know how to describe it, but I think you know what I mean, we want to know when we're being lied to. So how are we going to learn, right? Sometimes based on a true story or that type of thing, but at least, you know, they give you a little heads up. Right, right, right. And you know, they're going to take a lot of literary license, but who doesn't do that when you read the book? You're going to see a movie and even though you keep telling yourself that this movie is made from this book and you know it and it's been hyped up. You're ready to go. You loved the book. Your chances of leaving that theater disappointed or pretty high because a lot of times completely leave the whole story in its dust or whatever. And other times it'll try to get close, but it'll be that one major thing that was important that they left that. Right back in the city, some of those documentaries, you know, from Sun Pictures International and the legend of Bigfoot. And you think, oh, it's going to be a documentary, pay your money, get your popcorn, you go in, you sit down, and then it's going to group me teenagers out.

38:11And it was like, hey, you think we can find Bigfoot. I don't know, you know, I wanted to say something with a point and give me. Truth is just some made up. And I think we started looking for the facts early because that's why we focus so much on the realistic. You know, even though we'll mention stuff like one step beyond, at a very early time, think back on this for anybody that doesn't know what we're talking about again. There's a few of the episodes available on the internet. I don't know where you are. Sometimes different countries. Your mileage may vary as Steve says, but it's out there. So it opens up very much like a twilight zone. You've got your host and his name escapes me. Steve, I can't get off my phone if I get off my phone and you'll leave the mic. So if you want to look at it. I'm certainly the host of it. No, it wasn't what it was before. Rod, they knew each other. They knew each other and they had talked, you know, they were in the same, they ran with the same crowd.

39:11Let's just put it that way. But this was called one step beyond. The guy was a creepy eyes. I can't think of his name. John Smith, I think. When he first came out, he would come when the show first came out, it was produced. Alcoa presents one. Alcoa presents. Yes. I was all about. John Nolan. John Nolan. There we go. John Nolan. But we're all about tin foil because Alcoa made this aluminum foil. Yeah. And, you know, and it was a big deal. It was a huge deal. Back then, a lot of the shows were sponsored by a soap, like Lux Theater or their, you know, borax. You know, 20. Yeah. That would get fancy up the 70s. But back in the early 50s, man, that was like you'd have oil companies that, you know, paid for by, you know, such and such oil. You know, I mean, it was big. It was huge, crazy mess or cigarettes or all those kinds of things, Maxwell House and stuff like that.

40:19It was just really odd. And they would take on whole things like theaters or shows or the whole thing would be sponsored by them. And we got out of that really quick. But that's how, how far back the paranormal goes. And the first thing he says when he comes out and he said, he'll tell you this story is true. It's in the articles of such and such. It was in the paper, you know, whatever. And they tell a true story. And I think that's what really got the juices going when you were a kid or a teenager or housewife. You know, whoever dad wasn't watching a lot of that TV. That would be nonsense to dad back then the 50s. Oh, God, yeah. You know, they didn't have time for that mess. They, you know, they had to shine their shoes and make sure they were the right hat and tie and stuff. They were busy, busy bees. They'd leave the house and come back at the paper and, you know, maybe mogul on on Sunday, right? That was your 50s dad, you know, basically. Anyway, in here in the Americas anyway, that was the, it was the norm, I guess.

41:21But it was trippy to have a show that intense at that time because this is even before Twilight Zone. Because he put mine as new and guy and Rod Serling. Like I said, they knew each other was actually some stuff written that there was some sour grapes going on a little bit between them because like one. The ideas of both shows were so close. Close closely related if you get my drift. Yeah. And I think Alcoa. I think the money was back behind this other show first. You know, or it's possible Rod Serling was a writer or something on that. There was some kind of connection there. But it wasn't very long after. It was just sort of one step beyond January 20th, 1959 and Twilight Zone, October 2nd, 1959. So maybe that was a little bad blood there. This is what I'm saying. Something was up there. Yeah. Because they did. Now again, format different.

42:21Well, actually the formats were highly similar. But, but Twilight Zone was imagined, you know, where the other one. And there was some of the actual stories. But I think Twilight Zone, Rod Serling, it was an incredible writer who gave me just made it out of a whole cloth and said, I don't know exactly. You know, what if they were teenagers on motorcycles and something like that? Yeah, totally different sources. And it very had a very moral underlying to it. I mean, it was he was way above it beyond his time and had seen a lot of things and it was very intense. I think her. He put a lot of himself into those stories as well. It's a remarkable. You know, the way they were. A lot of them was thinly hailed anti-communism. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And, you know, don't be an ass, you know. I mean, and, you know, and there's creepy stuff out there.

43:23And what if it was a lot of what ifs, you know, there was a lot of the man that kept saying, I just want to be left alone to read. I just want to be left alone to read. And then some kind of catastrophe happens. He winded up being the only man. The last man left on earth alive. And he stumbles through the rubble and starts to realize his predicament. And he stumbles onto the library, the steps of the library. And he's like, well, at least I have time to read. And he stumbles up the stairs and he falls down to break this glasses. Yeah, it had those little twists there. Be careful what you wish for. Don't be an ass. Christ, everything comes to the race. That was the moral of every single twilight. It was a guy who was just horrible racist. So he falls down, I don't know, a ladder or something. He wakes up and he wakes up the race and then he was just putting down. And then he's the butt of that. And then it happens again and again and again. I think that was Vic Moro, which is a terrible story.

44:25Because remember when they were doing another paranormal. That's why I go movie. He got killed in that. He and a couple of Vietnamese kids over hit by a. There was an explosion that caused a chopper that they had on set to. In spring out of control and they took his head off. That was a joke of a morbid dark humor joke back when that happened. Like, did you hear that a big moral had dandruff? I don't know. They had they found his head and shoulders in the bushes. I never heard that one. Now, but that was terrible. I remember there was something about the. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 racing. Another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with chamba. Jump in at chamba casino dot com. Let's chamba. No purchase necessary. BTW group. Boy, we're prohibited by law. CC and C21 plus sponsored by chamba casino. Whoever was, I don't want to say director or one of them. Somebody was on the movie. He was really pushing that helicopter to get lower and lower and lower and lower. Spielberg. Yeah.

45:25What they did. They brought. I can't remember. Criminal charges in the lawsuit. Yeah. But I don't remember. I'll kind of have a breakdown. Yeah. It was terrible. The whole thing was tragedy. But it's not the first time. I mean, people have been, you know, doing stuff like that. The each other. For money and food. Are you footage of that chopper hitting those actors? I know. I think. Yeah. Yeah. It's terrible. It's terrible. Just another. Another bad thing. And you know, they go on with it. And there's always that thing. It's like with Crow. The crow came out and poor. Brandon Lee. All that stuff. And they finished it by using CGI. Very early CGI with him walking in the rain and stuff. That was all after the fact. Trying to finish that movie and put it out. Like we. You know, he'd want us to finish. Yeah. Of course. What do you do in a case like that? You know, do you. Is it okay to. To fix it? Because that's happened a more and more once in a movie.

46:26Oh, yeah. Edward used to. Oh, he has Dennis to stand in for a bell of ghosts. But he kept the cake pulled up over his face. Until I wasn't him. That's so true. So many. So many. And you think about it. It's like, yeah, they would want us. I mean, how do we know what they would want? And you know, honestly, you know, what's the right thing to do? Or what isn't? Who knows? I guess we would give your life for something you least want it. Done out of respect in a respectful way. I guess, you know, don't can the whole thing and forget about it. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, you can make a good. A good debate for both sides. I think. I don't know. It's one of those things. I'm glad I don't have to make a decision on. But yeah, back to the paranormal TV shows. I really think one step beyond and Twilight Zone. They need to really be given a lot of credit. But I'd have to say if you're. If you're looking for paranormal shows that were based on true stories. I really think that one step beyond tried to get it right.

47:27And you're really going back and trying to. Which are stories and not. Some of those stories. Yeah, but it's a dramatic recreation of stuff that. It really happened. Yeah, yes, very cool. Yeah, yeah. And I'm just really bizarre stuff, too, Steve. And with last time you saw some of those stories, but I've looked at it for a reference. And it's really crazy. And I often like I joke, but. You know, you think about homes back in that. Time at what was going on in most of them. I know what it was like in mind in the early 60s with a house full of teenagers. Everybody trying to borrow that. One thing, whatever it was, whether it was the typewriter or the. Or yeah, you know, or whatever it might be. Watch a TV show and, you know, are you in over the one TV in this great big old house? I mean, you know, you think everybody had a TV in your room. You're sadly mistaken. There was one TV. And it was in the living room of the dining room.

48:27Or the what the rec room. Some people called it back then. And if your dad was home, he was the one telling you what you were watching on that TV. And I was the remote control back then. Yeah, that was pretty much the way it was. Yeah, put it on channel 10 boxings coming on. You know, that sort of thing. Boy, I'll tell you what there's not. There's more than a few people listening that understand exactly what I mean. When I say, man, you think you're going to watch something. And dad got home early and he wants to watch, you know, combat or something. You know, comes in and doesn't say word just turns in. Flicks that channel. Yeah, I was watching the monsters. What do you do? Well, everybody sit cross. I get on the floor elbow. You know, head and her hands elbows on their knees, you know, and watching the show really good. And it gets into the good part. Dad walks in and flicks it to the game. Oh, God, I remember. Yeah. In my house, it was always it wasn't so much the sports. It was some of it, but it was more of the early World War II combat.

49:30It shows like Hogan's heroes and combat and, you know, all that kind of stuff. I can remember him watching. He didn't miss it. And honey West never missed that stuff either. Or FBI in color. Remember that? Yeah. Well, weren't paranormal. The. But man, I'll tell you what, 60s. I think it started. We started getting. A little bit more. And you brought up one today. It was at 70s. Ghosts. Who was that? That was a Sebastian Cabin. Yep. That was Mr. French, right? Yeah. Yeah. That was early 70, 72 to 73. Now, it was kind of schlocky. It was produced by William Castle, who was a famous horror film director as NBC show. And each episode was like a different standalone supernatural horror theme story. And, you know, ghost. They call it paranormal phenomenon. It's called the ghost.

50:30Hey, it's Cole Swindell. After I give everything I've got to land a perfect vocal. I usually take five before jumping into the next track. And I've learned exactly how to recharge in that time. Some folks grab coffee. I hit a quick, good looks. Next thing you know, the break is just as fun as land down the track. A better break makes for a better take. Need a break? Let's chumble. No purchase necessary. BGW group. Boyd were prohibited by law. 21 plus TNC supply. Sponsored by Chamba Casino. Yeah, the Soma, you know, counting that. I'm sure they took a lot of amazing places there. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. And it's kind of like a long boat hotel. In the early 80s that I'd forgotten about. Called dark room. Not dark room like a photograph, but a dark room. Although I think they didn't use that kind of as a trope. But James Coburn. Remember him, the tough guy, you know. I do remember that.

51:30It didn't last. One season of 12 episodes, but it's. It's got a cult following it. He was the host, you know, and he'd come on and. There's a. It's like owner later tells from the crib. That kind of stories. I heard a story. It back in story him once from. I had a girlfriend once. I thought real quick. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. He's got groupies and rock and roll. So anyway, one of my best friends. She used to be this real. How do you put it? There was a group of groupies that used to go around with. With big bands in the 70s. And they'd all kind of track. Kind of like the people who follow the dead. But these were just. Girls that follow band. And they they were real popular. And they did her change. I mean, I think every decades got that. But anyway, she was one of them. And she was in LA. And she's at a party. And he came walking in. The room. And she went to go. She was excited to see him.

52:30And she was other stars there. And stuff like that. She was trying to play low key. She was dating a drummer. Who knows? Anyway, he comes walking in. And she goes to. And she gets across the room. And she goes to. To get up there to shake his hand. He had had plastic surgery. And he had all these stitches still in his face. And she said it was the scariest thing she ever saw. And she just walked past him. She didn't even stop. She just kept her. I don't know. Chuck Conner. Is that. Chuck Conner's. He was a rifleman. James Jimmy Coburn. Oh, well, now we're coming in. And. Yesterday, he asked me to leave Marvin. Because of that to remember him being similar. But. Probably. I was Hollywood Tough. Guys. Interesting story about Chuck Conner. I mean, you had the same face when she told the other one that he did. Branded or something like that. I don't know. But she said it was very interesting to talk. And this girl.

53:30And this girl was, you talk about your paranormal. She a. she had a rough road. I mean, she was fighting literally fighting demons. She was something else. She was a mess. Well, she had messed around some things. She shouldn't have, you know, the story out goes. And Chuck Connors was the scariest thing she had ever seen. I don't want to see it. That's all I got to say, you know. So, but that's who I thought, why did I think of his face when you said the others? I don't know. Probably would tough guy, you know, but yeah, maybe that's what your name's coven here. Make sure I'm thinking of the right guy. I know who that is. Yeah. Uh, my name is Kevin. Oh, yeah. He's, he was a sweetheart. Heck yeah. He's right up there at Robert Mitchen. He was out there with Steve McLean, trying to breathe. Yeah. All made good. Uh, yep. Yep. Yeah, he was definitely, uh, there's a real deal.

54:38You know what I mean? Yeah. He was something else. Okay. How far did we get? We got as far as 50 Steve. We're, we're cooking side. We're cooking avenue is here. But I'd, I'd forgotten about that one. We can't say it again. The one we just talked about our dark room. Dark room, dark room. There was another one you mentioned, uh, the other, I'm right side or, um, plus, yeah, I mean, I'd probably forgotten about in the seventies. Of course, we had Leonard Nimoy in search of Arthur C. Clark had one called, uh, Arthur C. Clark's mysterious world. Do you remember that one? I don't remember the name day. I don't remember networked answered in search of. Hmm. I don't remember the show. But I remember the name Arthur C. Clark. It's like one of those they heard a lot in seventies. Yeah. Yeah. And there was a lot of those good ones. I can remember going to the theater scene, chariots of the gods and, you know,

55:41that came out right in around the same time, Billy Jack did. Yeah. That's how far back we're going. But same theater. That's why I remembered it. But, um, yeah, I mean, I think Twilight don't kicked it. And there was a couple of other ones tucked in there and you always got to mention dark shadows. That started the very early seventies. So, but this again, that's, you know, that's out of an imagination. All that, you know, but again, that's based on true story. If he was the John time, the guy that went around all the churches in the seventies and stirred people up about backwards masking in the satanic panic lay in the groundwork for that. He is real name was John Todd Collins. And he said that was the famous Collins family of the the Luminati bloodline that dark shadows was based on that family. So, it's a bloodline thing. It's a tribute to them. Even though it's frictitious about vampires and were wolves and ghosts and stuff, it was a soap opera, a gothic soap opera, Dan Kerr's production. Very true,

56:45very true. Oh, yeah, walked it every day, ran home. I think it was like kindergarten first grade. I would come on right under after my, uh, my grandmother's, uh, soap opera. So we'd watch it together. It was kind of our thing. And I played marbles on the floor. It was great. I'd watch it. And that time of day, she would always go, we had a chicken house way down on the end of her property. Whatever reason. That was when she went to gather the eggs, I guess, before the hands went to roost. And she would always go called dark shadows was on it. I'm there like piezo back of the couch, you know, like, oh, she comes back soon because this is some scary stuff. Oh, wonderful. Sad makes it so much better. One of the, one of the best times I ever had was when I was home from high school. I think it was, uh, yeah, I was a freshman. And I'm home and I've got the flu. One of the worst flu's I ever had. Kind of put you on the couch for like two, three days. Nobody wants to come near you. You know, I mean, just bad home calling sick. No,

57:47notes were written the whole day of thing. I guess what I was reading. Yes, what I was reading. I was reading to stand. I was reading to stand. I was like, 3D. It was a grocery store chain. They were given free flu shots. I'd never had to flu. But I thought, my friends, like, hey, come on, let's go take the shot. We're on the clock. So, you know, we'll get a half hour extra break. So I took the flu shot and I thought I was going to die. I think apparently that was what they did. They gave me some of the live virus. You could build the antibodies to it. But yeah, I think I got a triple dose or something. I seriously thought I was going to die. And I got the stand. I think it was in paperback if our memory started. That's been a long time ago. And I was laying there trying to read that. And then I flew. I can't read this. I had to put it down. I leaned into that torpedo like no

58:48was business. I had the flu since. That shot gave it to me or that was the best flu shot ever because I haven't had the flu since 1980. They tried during the damn title. Steve says flu shot. I got the year next year that I don't get the flu. I don't get coals any of that crap. But I have, like you hear me now, pollen, ear nose throat, ear infections and stuff. That's been the bait of my existence, my entire life. And it was worse. I still have my tonsils and adenoids out of five. But you hear me right now, my voice is kind of in the outhouse because of the weather here in New England. I'm out there in the desert that got used to that and then moved here. And I'll be here a year next month. But it's taken some time. You know, I grew up down south, everything, pollen, damp, leaves in the fall. That all bothered me. Then I went to Florida. And that was pretty good. But then there's a damp and it rained a lot down there. That bothered me. Then I went to Las Vegas. Okay, the desert. Well, that helped my

59:52sinuses. But then the dust would get to me from those sandstorms or stuff. Let's take you out back and shoot from there to Portland, Oregon. Okay. Well, it rains all the time. He go have more of this than we went from Portland back to the desert in New Mexico, the high desert. That messed with me. Live there about a year. And then here I'm in New England. And I sound like a toad in a hole or something. So eventually, you can wear New Jersey. That's great. You're right now. I'd show you up with so much damn garlic and cats call you and be able to walk straight. Local honey is the key. And that's where they're going to lead in Portland. There's a guy directly across the street for me to keep these. Now, that's as local as you can get. But I found out out here. And this is a really crappy thing to do. There's a brand that they haven't the grocery store here. It's a national brand. And it's called local honey. But it's made. They're awesome. Yeah, they're awesome. Right over here. Right over here. It's on the label. Local honey. But you know, that was a style because they know how to honey will work. So they can't be labeled. Yeah.

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1:03:10Sponsored by Chamba Casino. They give you all kind of dribble about stuff. They just, if they Stalin said it, if you keep telling a lot of long enough, repeat it over and over, people start to believe it. And that's just the thing too. And in the opposite work. Because if they keep telling the aliens don't exist, you won't believe it. If they keep calling you conspiracy theorists, you won't believe it. If they keep laughing at ghosts and laughing at people who said they saw this or saw that or dogman or big foot or a ghost or whatever, grandma in the living room. Everybody just points and laughs and tries to make you look like a fool. And I think that's why we reached out to these shows because we're sitting cross-legged in front of the zine in the 70s, watching Leonard Nemoy take us through a sitting. I mean, how incredible is this? You get to see Leonard Nemoy sit there and talk to Hans Holtzler. After Hans Holtzler is just sat and talk to at least

1:04:15two ghosts that were in a house and it was Kenny Buckport. I'll never forget it. Kenny Buckport, what a great name. It was out there by you. Yeah, that's close to me. I think. Yeah. Is that in May or Massachusetts? It's not for anyone. It starts with a name I couldn't tell you. The fact that I named the town is best you're going to get out of May tonight. But anyway, that's incredible. Just look at the blue sitting in that room. It's fine, but it's about an hour and 53 minutes before I'm sitting right now. There you go. Close enough. I mean, honestly, to think about it, you know, the crow flies. Sorry about my eyes there. That's one thing. I just recently got a camera that does all kinds of really cool video stuff. I want to be boots on the grounds. There's so much here in New England. So many legends and stories and so much history here. These doctors in the wild, that's they do it. If they do it, record it. We looked at a house that

1:05:18was built in 1776. You know, there's one that was in New England. I don't remember where it was. It's the oldest house currently for sale in America. It was built in 1600 and something. Can you believe that? Think of the stuff that house is saying? Yeah, right. It's incredible. That's one thing. I love about it out here. It's a colonial. I'm glad you know, I got to see it. I'm glad I got back out here. It's like 353 years old or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I see we can only really go back what I'm sitting by. I'm sitting by Fort Mama Revolutionary War. You know, I'm sitting by, you know, all of that Trenton and gosh, West Point and Hudson River. So many different battles out here. I mean, you know, Molly pictures well and all of these stories. He's grand, you know, and then all the houses that are around that are, you know, washed in, slept here, you know,

1:06:19he was all over the place. And you see that colonial stuff and you see that culture and you see that history and you just wrapped in that. It's incredible. Like the, oh gosh, what is the name of that place? The, um, Jamal mentioned. I can't remember the first part of it. But that was made famous because it's right up there in Manhattan and the highest point in Manhattan, New York. And at the time, if you're going back to the, you know, our revolutionary war times, when Washington was out here looking for ground, that's high ground. And where you could see the view from that was incredible. So it was, you know, anybody would be after it in the military point of view for sure. So he was there. Um, he got pushed out and it got taken over and it was held for a while to back and forth there for a little bit because again, you know, it was,

1:07:21it was very sought after ground. And then the woman, I believe her name was, uh, I think it was a least, uh, Jamal. She's this money grub and kind of, she grew up poor. Mom was poor. Was said that they were prostitutes, you know, uh, just trying to make a go of it. I mean, back in the day, nothing's changed, right? Yeah. People, I mean, do you try to make a mark? No matter how far back it's even I go, we always find out the human beings were human beings. They did, you know, they did the stuff. So, um, she's trying to hook onto a sugar daddy, basically. She finds his guy, this poor guy, how he felt for this, I don't know, but she poured it on. She's lying to him and she's saying that she's gonna die and she's got this illness, you know, she's not contagious, but she's gonna die, you know, and uh, she just wants, you know, to live a little before, you know, and she's, you know, wants to go to parties and she wants to be a socialite, you know, she's hanging on his

1:08:21arm and laughing at his joke, she knows the deal. Older, oldest time. So he marries her, she starts a going and she happens to have a head for business as far as real estate. So she starts making them a lot of money. So he's not really complaining until she gets tired of him and she decides to get the servant boy, um, to help her kill him in a carriage accident, air quotes, okay. He lands, she's got this strategically placed pitchfork that the servant boy pushes him off the carriage, lands on this pitchfork and they call the doctor who's, you know, who's in on it. He's, his palms have been greased and he's been given a little extra money and he waits around to treat this guy, this poor guy, you know, they do the bandages and wrap them up. The doctor leaves. She takes the bandages off unless the guy bleeds a death in his own bed and the bed, I get this. The bed belonged, used to belong to Napoleon and he would drag people through the house to show him this bed. She

1:09:25liked to boast about the fact she had always played antiques. Napoleon bled the death by the hands of his ungrateful prostitute. When I was in the Washington Inn and having the Virginia, I stayed with the sweets there and they claimed that was Napoleon's bed. He must have had a lot of beds, but I think I found out there was several of the Napoleon's. So, but either way, I slept in one of Napoleon's, one of the Napoleon's beds. So there you go. Really cool. Really cool. You know what? You know what you got. According to, I don't remember. Interesting. He the one that they exiled him and tried to sneak back onto the estate to see John. The last end of it. That went back and forth for for for a hot minute. But at the last, the last stroke of big journey, he's exiled. He's on this island and he's in this room. Nice. He's

1:10:25he just can't get well. You know, he's always poorly and it's, you know, he's he's fallen into the Melancholia. He's been exiled. He was this warrior. You know, he's he's he's doing the pulley. So he's hanging out in his room in his bed with his last Napoleon's bed and all around him is this wonderful ornate wallpaper. Well, the guy died and they're digging around in him to try to figure out what killed him gets what killed him arsenic. Guess what's in the wall paper? The sickery got the more he stayed in his room, the more he stayed in his room, the sickery got. So he was taken out. That was the, you heard it here tonight. Folks, the pulley's water glue was wallpaper. I'd never heard that. Well, that's not, you know, the rest of the story. Yep, they used to put arsenic in the wall paper. It did something for the brightness of the color or something like that, I believe. I can't, I might be off on that, but I think I had something to do

1:11:28with the vibrance of the color. Listen, I can remember going to school and those soundproof ceilings that they put in were all asbestos. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, come on now. I went to elementary school. The radiator pipes were wrapped in asbestos and would sit back there for the radiator and pull strips of it off. Yep. So this is why you want to know why we have so many paranormal television shows, guys, and we can't get enough of those in the books and the ghost hunters and everything else is because they're killing us. Everywhere we look, they got ceilings over our head. They got it in the wallpaper that led paint. We read led chips. I can remember in the 70s, seeing, what do you call those commercials? They come out, you know, where they're they're pushing something, you know, but it's like a, I forget what they call it, public announcement or whatever it may be. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's what I was looking for. And they come out and there's this poor kid standing in his crib or this

1:12:31bed, about two, three years old looking out a window in a busy city over what like Bronx, New York look like in the 70s, which wasn't pretty, my friends, trust me. And it was this black of my, she's eating paint chips off the off the window sill looking out the window. And they're telling you, we got to change the paint folks. We're killing the kids. You know, and now I got people telling me the people that that, that, you know, I tap into every once in a while to see what's going on out there. And they might may or may not be wearing tin foil hats. They're telling me the reason they wanted to take away the lead paint is because the lead protected you from the EMFs coming from the micables. And I'm like, well, now that I believe, because they don't care about us are trying to kill us. We want to they care some kids eating paint chips, you know, they just are, they just propagated their way into your heartstrings and said, we got to save the kids are eating paint chips and they're sad little, you know, cities that, you know, God bless them for having to

1:13:34live there. We can't do anything to help them. We're just going to make this commercial and tell you got to repaint your apartment. They've been to say often, this is a get go. Never where we were talking was that you guys talking to were talking about, I think a guy's name was Bernays. I don't know why he's reminding me of a sauce. Yeah, I mean, I just, I think I'm close to it. But anyway, go back and research it folks, but you got to go way back because this happened like right after the first World War. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing, another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with Chamba. Jump in at chambacasino.com. Let's Chamba. No purchase necessary, BTW Group. Boy, we're prohibited by law CCNC 21 plus sponsored by Chamba Casino. And they were having a hard time. I can't remember who exactly initiated this but had something to do with the dairy association or whatever was back then and the meat packing people, you know, all that kind of thing. The meat, you know, the butchers and such. So they got with this guy and they

1:14:38said, look, we need to just push. We want people to start eating more of this. Can you come up with something? And he says, sure. So he goes and he says, I need, I need all the doctors to come. Can you have a place for me to invite all these doctors? And I want to interview them, you know, short little interviews, but I need, you know, how many need I want to like a thousand local doctors to come in here. And they do it. So this guy interviews all these doctors. Okay. I think it was exactly. So he's interviewing a thousand doctors. His goal was to get 500 to agree to say yes to this. And the question was, do you think Americans are better off eating a light breakfast in the morning or a hearty breakfast with eggs and bacon and toast and butter and coffee and juice and, you know, these things. And he kept asking the question, he got his 500 and then he went back and he promoted it after the fact instead that the majority of doctors 500 out of 500

1:15:44recommend that Americans eat a hearty breakfast. And that, my friends, is the reason you have bacon and eggs for breakfast. And it's happened. It's such a big deal. Eggs of people that like one hour for biscuits, butter, the cream, the milk, the cereals, everything, you know, that's that's a promotion for the farmers right there. Yep. Yep. And then he's up into like the 28-ish area, 1928-ish. He's working through and he's, you know, everybody's tapping into his brain, you know, he's a little here, a little there and he's getting real famous. And then the tobacco industry came up and they said, hey, can you help us out? What does he do? He says, sure, it's a piece of cake. He went, goes and hires 50 out of work actresses and working real cheap. He said, put on your best bib and tucker, get your hat girls and let's go meet me on the street. Go on the street and he films them smoking, walking down the street, he's got a band falling on a, you know, high school band or whatever, banners, the people are holding signs. He hires all these people, slips him a couple

1:16:48of, you know, back then, a couple of nickels, I'm sure. Yeah. 1828-ish. And he puts on the news real sales it to the newsreels that play in between the movies when you went to see a movie back then. That's where you got all your news. And said, women have had enough. They're coming out of the shadows. They want to smoke in public just like men. He gave most cigarettes and they're all walking down the street, smoking cigarette. The sales went off the charts and he goes back to his friends that he talked to earlier, the doctors. And that's how you got just like Steve said. I know. And probably the same guy, then it's, well, let's make special cigarettes for women. For James Williams, you've got a long way, maybe to get where you got him today. That's the same thing with the Gillette razor. Yep. Yeah, you know, we've got to make it curved. And like, you know, we've got half the population. How do we get the other half? We got to tell them they have to have a curved razor, because they have.

1:17:50And then I can't remember the magazine like colliers or one of those ladies magazines about how with the new fashions and this was, you know, when those skirts were not ankle length anymore and the flapper dresses were off the shoulder. Oh, well, you can't have unsightly body hair. Ladies, you have to shave your legs and your underarms. Well, you're saying you're going to have to let razor company was behind that. Yep. And one percent of the women are still like, please, and then wax them and they don't even know why. Nine out of ten, nine out of ten doctors recommend camel. Yeah. Yep. I mean, all the stars, all the stars, man, they came out and they remember when we talked about our Hollywood scandal guys, when they talked about Steve McQueen and Steve McQueen would come out and I think he was doing, I want to say parliament. I'm not 100% sure. But anyway, he was a spokesperson for them for a little bit and they blamed his death on his

1:18:54cancer on it. But you know what? That was a lie. It was not that guess what it was the asbestos and it wasn't in his school. It was in his driving suit. He was a race car driver. I mean, spend 10 hours a day. I mean, he was hardcore. He was like Paul Newman. Paul Newman and James Dean, they were all very heavy into race car. Paul Newman probably more than anybody on wine. It was a smoker and he did that at cancer. But actually, they think it really happened where they filmed some, they're in the desert out there where they'd done those atomic tests back in the 40s. Kingsconn. Kingsconn. Yeah. And everybody that was that had some kind of weird cancers. So there you go. The figure has probably not. I mean, I'm sure that didn't help. Right. Right. But still, the way they say, they'll just sway it the way they want to sway it. And they do that. Normal. Just to push. I think there's Chesterfields in the middle of the

1:19:54cartoon. Fred and Barney would sneak out behind the rock wall and smoke a Chesterfield. You know, it was just. I mean, so many. I mean, did you know this creep me out? I don't know why this creep me out, but it did. Go back and watch Disney. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Victory Lane. Yeah, it's even better with Chamba by my side. Race to Chamba Casino dot com. Let's Chamba. No purchase necessary. VTW Group. Boy, we're prohibited by law. CTNC's 21 plus sponsored by Chamba Casino. Walt Disney talking like, you know, there's little, uh, those little b-roll needs to do. We just sit there and lean into the desk to tell everybody it was the up-and-coming Disney World or the movie that was coming out. They started out black and white and then they went to color. I can remember when that happened. And I mean, Walt Disney was just like, oh my god, when I was a kid, you know, I mean, gosh, how many kids could say that in a while? Disney's world of color. I mean, that was the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. And he started the whole thing. His whole deal. Now look, I mean, I know what he put forward to the public. I get that and what

1:20:59was behind the doors. Liz, when you talk all night with who his friends was shaking hands with Ron Braun and all that, I know the stories, folks, but I'm talking about the persona he put out when I was a kid and that vantage point of believing that, you know, and it was, he opened Disney to, so parents and families, anybody could come and enjoy this world, you know, that it was going to be reasonably priced. So any, the work in man could take his family. I mean, that was what was going on back then, 60s, you know, when that opened up, you know, and now it's so different. But when he did these B-rolls, Steve, all the films, if you went back and looked at them, I'd dare you to go in there and pull up ones now on the internet. It's been almost scrub with him standing there smoke. He always had a cigarette in his hand. Yeah. He was like, till, you know, Maro and all of them, I mean, they always, always, always, always had a cigarette in his hand. And somebody went in there and brushed that cigarette out, CGI it right out.

1:22:00Like every single one of those B-rolls, it's incredible, Steve. I don't know why that's creepy, but it is, I guess, the thing to somebody can go in and do that, but, you know, you really do that or is that a Mandela effect? We know, dude. Now that you're saying, I don't know. I don't know. I got to be honest. Notice to one the other day that I'd never noticed before, and I think I mentioned it in the chat on your show, Crossman BB Guns. When I was a kid, it was C-R-O-S-S-M-A-N Crossman. I had Crossman BB Guns. Now, it's 1-S-C-R-O-S-M-A-N, and it just does not look right. I don't remember having wanted it. Right, they're in quarantine, they're in quarantine, I know, man. And I'll tell you what, that Shazam movie, I distinctly remember being in my living room, standing behind my kids, they're cross-legged on the floor in front of the TV, next generation, you know, much bigger TV and color, but the picture's pretty much the same. And I was standing behind them and we're making fun of the pants that, I think it was more in hammer pants.

1:23:03But now I worked in a video store in the 80s. We had a poster that Nicole, she was born in 85, but she remembers seeing it at the video store when she was a little kid. Yep, yep. We watched that, we made fun of that dude, because he was in something else. I can't remember what, the boys liked them, and Doddy was really cool, and he was always sportin' cool clothes and stuff. I can't remember his name, but, and then when he came in and that, and when he was wearing, we were kind of making fun of him, and they were making fun of him, saying he could have got something a little bit more cool that they kind of looked a little sissy, you know what I mean? That's what their words. And they were, you know, they were hacking on. And we were laughing and, you know, like, how about he's doing a good job, he's funny, you know, we were kind of like kiddin' around with it, you know, because, listen, they were boys, and it were gettin' that pre-team, kind of, you know what I mean, where everything was just, you know, it was either cooler, it wasn't, you know? So I remember that, and I remember the video cover sittin' on the floor and lookin' at it. Well, Sinbad, Sinbad was making fun of him.

1:24:05Sinbad told me, now Shaq, he didn't make a Genie movie, but this was different. It was different. It was totally different, and I remember both of him, and Sinbad's come out and said that he had nothin' to do with it. He has no memory of it never happened, and everything else, I'm like, dude, I watch you in him pants. You cannot just deny it, you know? You can't pull an Eddie Murphy, go, one me, one me, one me, you know? You can't stall in me and just keep lying, and I'm gonna eventually just give in and believe it, because I know what I thought. And that's where we are in the paranormal. I know what I saw. And I think... Sinbad really gets me in the Bible, the lion, or lay down with the lamb. It doesn't say that anymore. It says the wolf. Oh, wow. They told the lion and the lamb. There was a Christian coffee house. Oh, you're kidding me. No way. The mess, the lion and the wolf, or something, or the wolf. That's worth a look for the looming thing. It always had a cornucopia, and I would double it. I don't know if you know it doesn't. Where were you in this shift happen? I don't know.

1:25:08Do we know it? I think the world did end. I don't know. Well, like the the mallean's predicted. I don't know. We joke. But the other one that gets me is, I just lost it here. Oh, James Bond movie with Jaws, the actor, Richard Keele. The girl with braces. Yeah, we can't brace it. Commercial later on, the pair did that. And without that, it makes no sense. That's a hundred percent true. That whole scene in the movie. No, the commercial we made later about the American Express card or whatever. Something big happened there, man. But there was no doubt. They bonded. He had the big metal teeth. She had braces, and they had a little chemistry there. But now she doesn't have braces. WTF, you know, that's no, no, no, no, no. 100%. I'm right there with you, my friends. I don't believe it. Yeah. And again, the cornucopia through the movie. Come on now. JC Penny, it was always pennies. Are we going to pennies? We're going to pennies.

1:26:11Yeah, whether my mom shot a little bit of sears, but it's pennies. I've spent so much time in the husky voice section of pennies when I was a kid. Yeah. I mean, come on. I mean, don't what's that saying? Don't rain on me and tell me you're pissing down my legs. Yeah, don't pay on my leg. Tell me it's raining. There we go. Thank you. Well, I had that backwards enough. Okay. So that's the whole reason that people like you and I, and, you know, probably, you know, a lot of the people listening. I'm not old enough to end. I don't have, give me the facts. I don't have, you know, I'm not, don't have a short term. I remember how stuff was back then. Yeah, give me the facts, man. You know, just, just, you know, the facts, because you can't learn, you said that earlier when you said based on a true story, based, think about what that statement needs. They say it's so quick. Again, a little nugget of something that actually happened,

1:27:16and they spun a whole entire two or a movie over. You know, and only the names have been changed. To protect the innocent or that's it. Yeah. But anyhow, similar, right? So you're looking at that, but it says based on, well, if you're basing your quest for answers, anything supernatural paranormal, metaphysical, then you're building your house on sand, because if it's not true, what are you basing it on? You see where I'm coming from? I know what they mean, but I know what it means, because basically they've just given you, you've just given them permission to lie to you. And again, like I said earlier, I'm fine with it. Is this completely made up? Okay, wait a minute. Is this based on the book? Okay, because I read the book. That's going to, now that's different, you know, I'm going in differently. If I've not read the book, I don't have a clue with the stories like, you know, I've done that too. I've watched the movie and I'm like, go ahead and read the books totally different. I go, okay, wait a minute. This is what this author

1:28:18was trying to say. It's a completely different message. You get my point. It's same thing happens a paranormal. And I think that's why we strived so early, because look, if the buyers weren't there, they weren't going to be selling it. And they were definitely selling it. And they were selling it early. I mean, you can go back and there is, I almost mean this literally there's, there's almost no end. It's like mel's hole when you start looking in the archives of old radio shows that were based on the paranormal paranormal supernatural suspense, mystery, even, you know, true crime. It was done more delicately back then, but not as, not as much as you think some of that stuff is pretty brutal, you know, and some of these old radio shows. So we were looking for it then. And if you could get that, I mean, if you had a, if you're lucky enough to be living in anywhere to any town, USA back in the 50s, and you were lucky enough to have a transistor radio in a tree house

1:29:18or an attic or a room or someplace you go off by yourself. And you could listen to one of these and they're talking about, you know, alien abductions and UFOs and things like this or even if they were made up stories. But if they were saying it was true, that made all the difference in the world. You're like, oh, man, this could happen, you know, and it would, you would get your imagination going. And it might have been, you wanted to get a telescope and look at the stars or you wanted to, I don't know, 10,000 other different things that kids were running around doing back then. They had the same effect as watching a lone ranger had where you wanted to get a potato gun and go shoot your, you know, the neighborhood kids and hide behind trees. They had that same effect because it was so profound back then. That's all you had. You had TV and you had radio. So you heard one, you know, only the songs that were going to be played. You didn't have 10 million choices. You had three channels if you were lucky for the good antenna. If your dad sprung for the

1:30:22good antenna that, you know, stood up in the wind, you know, how many, you go down the, early 60s, go down the street and every house had an antenna on it. You know, and then you had that one guy on the block with this massive thing, like he was trying to reach Mars. But you know, everybody talked about where I get you. He's a, he's a, you hear your dad or your uncle or whoever got to say, he's affected my, my television waves. You know, it's his fault. I can't get the game on Sunday. That kind of stuff. But you'd hear this folks. You'd hear this, but inside of that were people looking for the truth. And if they weren't watching it, it wouldn't have been put on there. And there's so much on there and so much, you know, like I said, just starting with the radio. And then you started getting the shows. You started getting, you know, your one step beyond, your Twilight Zones. But gosh, one step beyond. That's, that's true stuff. This really happened. That guy, that lady really did see her brother after he passed and he came to say goodbye. That's incredible. You know, my aunt was talking about a story like that or that's not like that happened

1:31:27to me. I saw grandma or whatever. The guy walks out of the closet every once in a while. Whatever it might be that happened to you, they got you. Hello, it is Ryan. And I was on a flight the other day, playing one of my favorite social spin slot games on chumbacacino.com. I looked over the person sitting next to me and you know what they were doing. They were also playing chumbacacino. Everybody's loving having fun with it. Chumbacacino's home to hundreds of casino style games that you can play for free anytime, anywhere. So sign up now at chumbacacino.com to claim your free welcome bonus. It's chumbacacino.com and live the chumbacacino. Sponsored by chumbacacino, no purchase necessary VGW group void for prohibited by law, 21 plus terms and conditions apply. Interested in this subject where you're just like to be scared. Some people just want to be scared. Boo. You know. And that's fine too. But there was a quest for this true reality, early reality stuff. And I think that really started getting a kick. There was a few in the 60s you know that escaped my mind. Some of them that you mentioned that I had never heard of

1:32:31that I loved it. I'd loved to see. But there was one where you sent me a picture and you asked me if I'd ever heard of it. One of it was ghost story, which was again like it was kind of like an old hotel, a very fancy Victorian type era. Maybe a little art nouveau with Mr. French from what's the name of that show? Family affair. And he hosted it was kind of like a paranormal love boat. You know, each one would be a different story and some of it might be based on true, but it was very, you know, elaborated upon, you know, and dramatized. But it was kind of like that kind of feel kind of like an early tale from the crypt even. You know, the host wasn't quite as creepy. He was more of a gentleman kind of a mysterious guy. But in the velvet smoking jacket kind of thing. But it really started kicking in within search of. And then in search of which came out

1:33:32at the same time as you were starting to get charred to the gods and monsters among us. And what was that early one? And search of ancient astronauts. And all those books. Yeah. And then as the lines and the battery that, you know, they found in some place in Egypt, you know, the same time as the pyramids, they were electric plate jewelry and doing all this stuff. And I'm just like amazed, you know, and the Bermuda triangle. Gosh, that was so big. Oh, gosh, it was so big. You know, all that stuff was hidden right around that time. And Leonard was just oh, burlits. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And the boy was just tearing up because now what was to put, what happened with in search of? I don't have all the details, but basically it was, there was three kind of movie yet. So you can imagine what we would call them back in the day

1:34:33would be like the Friday night movie or the Saturday night movie. And it would be produced by CBS or NBC, ABC, they all had them, you know. So you'd look forward to it. We might see something that was kind of theater quality-ish, but or it might have been in theaters and they just chopped it up for TV and edited it. You'd always get the edited version. But some of these were made and just kind of missed the theaters and went to the TV and will be on Friday night's movie or whatever. So Rod Sterling did, I want to say three of these. And they were all similar to alien abductions, UFO, this kind of thing. So there was three of those and we're very much the same type of format as in search of. In fact, some people even thought they were in old in search of episodes, but they're not. They're longer. They're about the length that you'd have on a movie with commercials, you know, for television. So about an hour, 20 minutes, something like that.

1:35:36And that went, okay, we're spending an awful show on this. Everybody loves it. There's such a hunger for this information. Let's put it out there. They went ahead and signed the series, but it didn't get launched and get put on till around 77, I think. And Rod Sterling passed in 75. So Leonard Nemoy took over and Leonard Nemoy had hosted the last movie because of the very same thing. So they had the series and the last movie going at the same time, you know, where they're filming and stuff on location. And I mean, that show went everywhere. If it was a haunted castle in England, they were at the haunted castle in England. You know, there's Leonard with his, you know, with his boots on and his bell bottom, you know, with his ass caught with his foot up on the, you know, on the, on Stonehenge, you know what I mean? And he's going to tell you about it. And it was fantastic. And like I said, you could see him sitting there talking to

1:36:38in in Kenny Buckport talking to Hans Holzer. And the most amazing thing is you're watching him talk to a trans medium who's talking the ghost of that house is talking through the medium and telling everybody that the reason she's haunting this house is she she passed it. I guess her husband was away and she's kind of still in that loop of waiting on him to get home because there's so many chores to do and she's overworked and she's overwhelmed and she just like to get out of here and go back to the city where she's from. She doesn't like this farm stuff waiting on a captain on a ship. And, you know, this poor girl, you find out that, you know, this guy died, the reason he didn't come back is the ship sank. And she had some kind of scarlet fever or something and died of crazy out of her mind with fever. And the poor ghost is stuck in this and you just watched three living human beings in a camera guy help this ghost to cross over and get out of her torment

1:37:39in a short amount of time. I mean, you know, I'm sure they were there a lot longer than they showed on video, but still you got to see that and and that was in 1977. That's incredible television, you know. I mean, that's incredible. What a segue. The first place I ever saw the story about the, the, the, Yawning, the rest ghost, Yachty Johnson, that was on, that's incredible. Yep. Yep. With medium, Sylvia Brown. Yep. But she was young. She was probably about 30 and they got her to come in and, and call from him. And made fun of, but she did some cool stuff. Yep. She sure did. She helped a lot of people, you know, and everybody likes to focus on last couple years. But again, I tell everybody, when you see somebody with abilities that's actually making a difference in helping spirits cross and helping the living deal with whatever they're going through and Yachty, Yachta, you know, like people like that do, especially over decades, you know, they can't be taken away from her. You know, I don't care how many people come up and go,

1:38:41you know, she just, she didn't get it right on the nose. You know, I don't know. She told me this and Yachty, Yachta and I know all about the other stuff, but here's the deal. When you're making a difference, you're attacked by the other side doesn't want you to win. The darkness just really focuses on you and they will destroy your life and they'll tear you apart. And after a while, it gets very taxing. It's very hard to keep up that battle. And they start getting some good left hooks in and you see it happen to one after the other after the other. The smart ones pull out early, but when you see someone go through like, you know, a couple of decades of that, it's very, it's extremely physically and emotionally. Yep. Yep. It sure does. And, you know, you're watching somebody literally daily going through a spiritual battle because of all the people that she's helped, all of the entities she's pissed off, all of the earth bound spirits that she's bumped into that weren't so nice, you know, and everything else. And after a while, it all starts building up and, you know, and you'll see people like Amy Allen pulling out.

1:39:44And she's a smart girl. She'll, she's had enough. She'll, she'll go on a hike. Yep. He's an old man. He got off into some stuff and they accused him of what was it? He would have the psychic kids or whatever. And people were saying, all these kids aren't psychic. They have got delusions. They need mental health. They put him through all the mess. And then they took it from him. I think I think he retired. I don't, I'm not. They took his idea. They took his, his vision and his idea. And then they took it from him, gave it to somebody else for a while and then put him through all kind of, and again, he's a true, he's a true dude. And Chip calls it like he sees it. He doesn't play. And, you know, he's, he's just, I think it's a fun individual, I really do, but he's extremely gifted and talented. And, you know, and he takes no bones about it, you know, you're going to pay him for his time. And, but he's not excessive. He's reasonable

1:40:46when you look at all this other stuff. But here's the deal. People don't take on their own responsibility for their energy. Now, if you just break it down, take all the feeling and emotion out of it and just hear me through for their second. Take, try to take this emotion out of it and just listen to the fact. You walk into a room with a medium or a reader or psychic with your energy. That's your responsibility. If you're going into. Yes. And honey, your baggage, you know, it could use some patch and then maybe a new, you know, an upgrade because you've been dragging around that baggage. So if you go in there and the whole drive there and the whole thing you're setting up, making the appointment, doing all the things and the whole thing, your thing is like, I got to get a hold of my dad because I got to hear, you know, he's got to tell me the thing I want to hear. And I got to get a hold of Aunt Sally and I got to know where this is and I got to know what she mean by that or whatever it may be. If you hear my voice and how I'm

1:41:47saying it, it's all about me, me, me and what I need to hear and what I want to hear and who I want to hear from and what they, what I want to hear them tell me. In some ways, it can be good because you're like, I just in a good way version of that, it would be, I just want to know my mom's okay. I just want to know my dog is alright. Okay, that's a mild version of that. The other end of that is an extremely negative, very earth can earth, earthly things, materialistic things, a need, needful things that are very connected to the lower vibrations of earth. So it would be, you know, I got to hear, you know, this fight has to end. If you're going at it with any kind of negative emotion like that, you're blocking your reading and your medium, your psychic has to fight through all of that to get to your loved ones, which is a totally different vibe. Okay. And

1:42:50get to people that you may be familiar with. Go past what they're, your guides are telling her guides. No, she needs to hear this. She's about to hit a tree in her life face, face plant. And you know, she needs to chill out and let go of a lot of these things and just focus on this. And you're trying to make the medium override it because you want to talk to Uncle Bob to find out where you're, you know, the key to the safe is or something. And it's like so two different things what's important on the other side. What their vantage point is looking at your life. They've got I don't want to say the whole cover to the box of your puzzle, but they got a good chunk of it. And they're trying to give you information that you need to need to hear now now. What you think you need? Where you need to hear right now. If you walked into a meeting with anybody that reads you with an open mind and the intent of, I just want to hear what my guides need me to hear now.

1:43:55And I'd love to hear from any loved ones who can tell me that they're okay. Your reading is going to be so much different than I'm going to have this, this, and this. And if they don't tell me this and give me this specific thing and tell me what color this was, that's not how you go about a reading. And a lot of people block it and they give a lot of people really good readers a bad name for no reason. Now, the ones we mentioned here, I can tell you personally, I know that people like Chip Coffee can override that because they see through all that and they're very honed in their craft. But if you have somebody else as extremely sensitive and likes to stay in the higher vibrational realm of reading, you're making them fight already. It's like you went in there and you took their anchor or their boat through it and water. And now they can't move. So think about it that way because you have the same effect on ghosts that way as well. What you're going to draw and what you're going to actually put up a barrier against because of

1:44:59your vibration. And when you think about it like that, it's different. And I think that's another reason why a lot of people are drawn to these more reality-based. And when I say that, it sounds so different from what I mean because we've given this name reality-based show. We think Jerry Springer, we think Bachelor Rett, we think, and which are so far from reality, I assure you. And what I mean is a pair normal television show that reaches in respects the subject, respects the witnesses, respects the facts, and is willing to tell you if something is wrong or you know, we've been mistaken. We had the wrong idea or the wrong fact earlier. This is, you know, this newfound evidence, whatever. Put it all on the table, just the facts man. And let us decide for ourselves. And I think a lot of new people are doing that. Like if you shoot to now where you've got like your podcasts and things like that, I think a lot of people are trying

1:46:04to do that. A lot of these shows. And especially people like Nuke's Top 5, who will show you ghost clips or unexplained video clips and say, you decide, is it a hoax? Is it real? You know, what do you think? And of course you can't answer that after watching 30 seconds of video of total stranger. You have no idea who this is where it came from or what, you know. But there's something in us that seeks that. And I think it always has. And that's why the shows were popular then. The radio classics, you know, made up or otherwise popular then and popular in the 80s and the 90s. And you know, looking at how much they've changed in the 2000 and now we're up to 2020. Oh my gosh. Where's the time gone? And they've completely changed. Now it's all over dramatized. Every time something creaks as a demon or it's, you know, get out or it's, you know, the woman is brushing

1:47:04her teeth in the mirror and she's and her actual words because she's there telling her story. She says, you know, I was brushing my teeth getting ready for work and I felt like I wasn't alone like I was being watched. And the camera pans back and there's a 12 foot blue horn demon standing behind her, you know, you know, you know, smoke coming out of its nostrils. She never said that. When do we get to the point where we have to have that kind of visual stimulation to be scared and to get the story? When it used to be, it was enough that she went, she creeped out when she was in the bathroom. She always felt like she, there was somebody else there. The good shows were theater of the mind. They didn't show you as Steve said the shape under the sheet. They described it. But and that was his reasoning was whatever you conjure up is 10 times scarier than what he's going if he wrote it out. What do you imagine it to be? That's the scariest thing for you. So that makes sense. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Victory Lane. Yeah, it's even better with Chamba by my side.

1:48:11Race to chamba casino dot com. Let's Chamba. No purchase necessary. VTW Group. Void CTNC's 21 plus sponsored by Chamba Casino. Right. Right. Yeah. And again, we've become, of course, the obvious thing. We've become very desensitized. We're the same things. Don't creep us out. But I made the differ because I think if you go back and you watch a movie that was, okay, let's say, oh gosh, the creeped you out. I have to say the original blob creep me out because I thought it was crepe. It might look cheesy now when you see it. Wait again. But yeah, yeah, I watch that. I like the light light show or something. Right. I mean, not a living dead. The crap out of me. Not a living dead. That would creep you out. Rosemary's baby creep me right out. Crohaven farm. Are you kidding me? That's creepy. That's 1972. I want to say. I'm racing with the devil scared to show you. Oh, yeah. Oh, that, you know, those were the, those were some of the ones where Crowley started getting involved in these. And there was real stuff

1:49:15in that mess, man. I'm telling you the truth. Just like when they certainly would take out with another one. That's another one. I'm telling you, it was creepy then. It was creepy now. Now that I know what I know, it's even more creepy because they were doing stuff. Absolutely, did it right in front of our faces. Just like they're doing now. But I mean, nothing's changed. It's just they've gotten bolder, you know. But yeah, I mean, the Crowhaven farm. Okay. It's your typical story. The guy is working in New York. They want to get a rural house. They go out in the middle. I don't know. New York state. Maybe somewhere. They're an hour outside of New York. This poor schmuck is going to be schlepping it back and forth from this farm. New farm. They just bought to to man hat and every day an hour one way next. But you know, people did it. It was popular. It was some you heard people commuting all the time. It was it was crazy. But that's the first scary thing. An hour an hour in New York traffic or UK. So they go to this

1:50:18farm and right away things are creepy. The the the the neighbors are extra nosy showing up with apple pies and just, you know, showing up in the kitchen standing there. The door was open. That kind of creepy jumpy stuff. But it's creepy if it happened to you in real life. Think about it. You know, you're turning around and you hear somebody you'd ever saw before holding the apple pies standing. They're jump scares for a reason. Because you know, and what do you do in a situation like that? Hi, I'm your neighbor. The door was open. You know, it just happened all the time. You get the hell out, you know. So anyway, this kind of stuff's happened. It's a creepy little girl next door. It's just creepy to stand in there and then she speaks and it gets worse. And she's saying weird stuff like, when does your husband come home? He's awful handsome. And he said, you know, when you just know there's going to be trouble there because she's like 13 and you're like, what the heck's going on here, little girl? You know, and the next thing you know, shoot forward to the end of the film. She's got a baby. She's had a baby. There's been hard times

1:51:20through the whole thing. He's not coming home. He's staying into he's staying in the city a lot. You know, the traffic and the neighbors are popping up in every room. You know, the door was open. Still happening. And this little girl saying weird, weird stuff. The next thing, you know, they're all there. She wakes up. She's under a door to put rocks on top of her. They're all wearing these pilgrim outfits. And she finds out that she was really a witch that turned everybody else in. They're all witches. She got them all burnt at the stake and she lived. All right. The little girl was actually married to her husband, who is also a witch. He's in on the whole thing. How creepy is that? And she's she's come back in this life to take the husband back and her baby. So she's got her baby. And they're putting rocks on top of her end of end of movie. The end. That's creepy. I don't care who you are. 1972. Yeah, amazing. Yeah. Right. Right. But I mean,

1:52:25that's the kind of stuff that scared me because I look, I never trusted people. But I grew up with a healthy, a healthy dose of understanding. You just don't go moving willy nilly into a town. You don't know anybody. They could all be witches wearing pilgrim outfits. And next thing you know, you're under a door getting rocks, but on top of you. It's a good life lesson. I love it. You know what I mean? It's crazy. But you know, they all had morals. Rosemary's baby morals. She moves into this old, well, famous actually, apartment building in New York. Same thing. Husband gets a new job. They move. He gets pregnant. Oh, she's so silly. All the stuff happen. Oh, she's just emotion. It's emotions. It's because you're pregnant. You know, so they hush her up and they shut her up and they start giving her this nasty goo to drink because more nosy neighbors popping up in your kitchen, uninvited, right? Old couple. So you'll he give them some slack because they're old and, you know, eccentric. And this woman, old woman's making her drink some green stuff. And she's drinking it because, you know, for the baby. So the whole thing is going on.

1:53:30Well, what happens? They gave her they slip her a Mickey. The next thing you know, she's doing it with the devil. And she realizes halfway through this is real. This is really happening. Everybody keeps telling her never happened. She got scratches all over. She believes them propaganda. If you tell her lie over and over enough, they can make you think you're crazy and gaslight you. Another moral to the story. And, you know, before you know, when she walks into room, she has the baby. It looks like, you know, I don't know the Jersey devil or something. It's got yellow eyes and horns and much like our friend breathing down the neck of our, you know, all growing up in the bathroom there. Or just a demon. And we're all witches. So again, moving into a place, you don't know your neighbors. Don't drink the green stuff and don't breathe the wallpaper for the love of God. You'll end up like Napoleon. Like Napoleon's waterloo. I'm telling you. But you can't tell me those movies aren't scary. And they didn't need a whole lot of goo and gore. They just told the

1:54:36story and it unfolded. Yeah, they used, you know, music and all the right times, you know, the tempo and creating tension and things like that. But you never saw anything except at the very end, I think they did a real quick flash of the kids face. You know how like they used to do a quick flash of the eyes or something and every yellow hideous. But that was it. They didn't need all this other stuff. The reason they need all this other stuff is because they don't let the story breathe. They don't tell the truth because the story is enough. There was a here, here's a good example. I hate to keep rattling on, but you know me and ghost stories. One just, it's like Pringle, you know, potato chips. I can't, you know, so I have paranormal Tourette, Steve, and you know this. It's just, you know, so that's a good thing. So, oh gosh, what story was I going to tell you? What was it talking about Pringles? It was the last story. Oh, shoot, I lost it. Rosemary's baby.

1:55:39Okay, good, good, good. Yeah, so Rosemary's baby, they were scary. And that was early. And then you had in search of, and we talked about in search of and how he actually would go to the different places, but they didn't, they didn't embellish on the story. You know, in fact, I think Namoi actually hosted it kind of cheeky. Like he was really into UFO and stuff and things like that. Of course, people expected from being spark and all. But the ghosts and stuff like that, I think he held it with a lot of respect. You know, he did a couple different ones. The castle he did the, the one in Maine there. And another one. But they also looked into odd things like they might look into, um, Count St. Germain or they would look into, uh, no stradamis. Yeah, I mean, it's things like that. Yeah. Friends to the objects, but not more paranormal or supernatural. Right, right, right. You know, maybe

1:56:41cults, maybe witchcraft, maybe, you know, just all kind of, I mean, I think it ran two, three seasons. And then it kind of went into the earlier one, like we were talking about like in 80s, there was some, there was like, um, beyond belief. Do you remember that one? You said the, that's incredible. And that was definitely, that was, when that, when that Bill Bixby did that, I want to say, oh, God, don't forget his name, but he had that, that magician kind of beard and haircut. You remember him? And he, he always wore suit, but he was, he, he liked his puns. He was very funny. He used to come out now, all these different puns, but they would tell like three or four, I think it was four different stories. They would play it all out and it would be some like wild thing, like beyond belief, right? And then you had to guess factor faked, factor faked. That was one of the first ones that came out like that. So it was fun for the whole family, you know, like people, I believe the God that the trumpet, you know, I don't know. I really believe that one, the lady in

1:57:43the car, that one looked like it was real to me. And it would start conversation in the house, which was unique, you know, it gave you that chance to choose. And then at the end, of course, that big crescendo where you write a wrong, you know, you got it right, you know, that kind of thing. So it was a good show. It had that extra. If you think about it, it was kind of unique. Shadner did one like that too. What was it? Weird world or something, I think. Something like that. Yeah, something in the early 2000s, I think, around that, 2002, 2010, maybe, maybe it's banned longer than that too. I don't know. I mean, you had all the other ones too. Your tales from the crypts, your goosebumps. And of course, those were books first and they came out what? Yeah. And there was a couple like I said, that you that you would show me were almost look like they were investigators, but I'm not 100% sure I wasn't familiar with them. I don't know if they it might have been when I was gone in the military and stuff too. There was a lot of stuff coming out on showtime and things like that around

1:58:47that time because I remember when showtime first came out, it was a big deal like they had the howling or something on. And it was like, oh my god, this is huge, you know, like you'd stuff you'd go over everybody's somebody's house to watch because it was a big deal. That kind of thing. The cable first started. Now nobody gives a crap. Yeah, when I was in high school among my little circle of friends, we were the first house to get cable. So everybody piled over to my house, went to watch HBO and showtime to four o'clock and a more. You're gonna laugh when you hear the first movie I ever watched on cable. And it was a premiere. So it was the first time it was ever shown. So it wasn't like, you know, 10 years later. Weird or what? No, it made interruptions. But weird or what was the one that Shatner did that? Weird or what? Cool. That was close, that was close. What was the first movie? You have to remember it. You do ever saw on cable. All that jazz. Really? Yeah. That's funny. All that jazz. I remember when I started running HBO, my friends came over. We just got hooked up. That was the first movie

1:59:51that I sat and watched all the way here because, you know, you had like a hundred channels suddenly, I click, click, click, click, click. But it came over and that was what I was coming on. It was HBO. That's a big deal. I can still remember the sound and then rolling out the rating, you know, like it's an R, you know, it was a PG 13. It was a PG. I remember we didn't even have the ratings. I remember when they still had the rating of, I think it was G and then it was PG R X and Triple X. That's I can remember. That was early 70s, I think. And I remember when they used to tell before a movie that was family friendly, that was around the same time that you could tell you with 10 o'clock, do you know where your children are? That was around that error, you know, and all that right in that time, the paranormal stuff that was on is the ones that we mentioned. But just getting started, I'm not really recalling. I think that's in search of went over into the 80s. And I think that's incredible did too. I'm not sure about what was going on another, yeah, like across the pond, but I know most wanted, most haunted started pretty early. Was that in the 2000s?

2:00:53It was certainly wasn't the 90s. Oh, we're scary places with Linda Blair. That was like 90s, I think. They kind of blend against her after a while after that. But it was, it was, yeah, that one didn't last too long. There's one that started on showtime, but I think it was in the 90s and it was called Poltergeist, the legacy, but that was welcome. I never remembered that. I'm, you know, much been working. And then there was like an ex files type thing back in the 80s called warehouse 13 or something like that. And that's very much. It sounds like this other shows like that. And there's one now, I think it was. The series that wasn't about, you know, the Jason and all that, it was the kind of an ex files type thing for the 13th to see if they had to row or only a row, or whatever name was. There was one. I had it here. I might lose my first second, but it would call unexplained files classified. That had forced. Yeah, thank you. Lost your mind. I was looking, I thought I might lose my mic. I got you back. Yeah, you're back. Yeah. So it's one called the

2:01:56unexplained files, I think in the 90s or late 90s. But when you go back and you look at the 90s, that's when we got shows like unsolved mysteries. And they had that format. Of course, they added in, you know, the true crime and, you know, the, the, the lost loves and all that kind of stuff. But they would do the show. They would do the paranormal supernatural. They would definitely, they were all over it. Yeah. Well, since I hate to stop you there, but we are out of time. I'll have to have you back and we'll continue this conversation. Oh, well, man, we did it. I know you're tired and ready to go to bed. Oh, my gosh. But thanks for joining me here on everything out there on the Clyde List ground zero radio network. I'm Steve Stockton on behalf of Cisco and myself. Good night, everybody. A little further on down the trail. Take your animals. We said, hi, good night, everybody. Good night, everybody.

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