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Each week on our show listeners write in with their problems big and small, and I solve them,

or at least I try. And if I don't, I at least give a good reason why I can't.

This week, Chris' watch list.

When I was a kid, my dad got me into all of the universal monster movies,

you know, Dracula and Frankenstein, all that shit, the blob, whatever.

This is Chris. He's 26 years old. He lives in New York City.

And first, long as he can remember, he has loved watching movies.

I just love the thrill, the fear, like the emotional excitement, you know,

just like heightening of an experience. And I just like took that with me for my entire life.

To this day, the horror genre continues to be his favorite.

But Chris is one of those guys that truly watches everything.

You know, old movies, new movies, foreign, domestic,

and he keeps these massive lists of movies that he wants to see.

But the reason he came to us is because many of the movies on his list are completely inaccessible to him.

Not because they're out of print or they've been pulled from streaming,

but because in addition to being a massive movie lover,

Chris is also blind. Could you tell me when and how you lost your site?

Yeah, it was actually my 16th birthday.

I was in high school. I wanted to join track because a lot of my friends were

on the team and I had to get a physical and they had me do the the eye chart with like the big E at

the top. And I covered my right eye and I could read the chart fine. And then when I covered my left

eye, it was just the wilderness. There was like a big blob in the center of my vision.

I was just blocking out the whole chart. I couldn't even see the E.

And at first I didn't understand. I was like rubbing my eyes. I was like, is it just really bright

near? Like I don't get it? And the doctors didn't understand it either. And for some reason,

we just kind of brushed it a lot because my other eye was compensating. But over the next few months,

I started to notice my other eye began to deteriorate as well.

And after a spate of frantic doctor visits, Chris was diagnosed with an extremely

rare genetic mutation called labor hereditary optic neuropathy.

I forget the statistics, but it's like, you know, this is like a one and a million kind of thing.

So essentially, the effect is that in both of my eyes, I can still see peripherally,

but my central vision is completely gone. Okay. Now, I know what you're probably thinking.

A minute ago, I told you that Chris is only able to watch some of the movies on his list.

But if Chris can't see, how is he able to watch any movies at all? Well, in the same way that

close captions have made movies accessible for people with hearing impairments, people with

visual impairments are able to watch movies through the use of something called audio descriptions,

which are pretty much exactly what they sound like. Here's a quick example from the movie Top Gun

Maverick. Maverick goes into a steep climb. Maverick shoots up between their planes.

Maverick loops up and around, dropping behind payback in Fanboy.

That voice you just heard explaining what's happening on the screen? That's the audio description.

You can find these on streaming services as an alternative language option. On broadcast

television, they're sometimes available as a secondary audio channel. And in movie theaters,

they come out of a special headset, which thanks to the Americans with Disabilities Act,

movie theaters are required to carry. And for a cinephile like Chris, who also happens to be blind,

having a track like that is a lifeline to this medium, to this art, and to the culture that exists

surrounded. The problem is that not every movie that gets released gets released with an audio

description. Unlike closed captions, which are available for pretty much everything at this point,

audio descriptions are only available for some things. And there seems to be no rhyme or reason

behind what does and does not get an audio description. Like, when I asked Chris to name some of the

titles on his list, I was shocked by the variety of material that has not been audio described.

You know, there's mainstream stuff like the show Mad Men I can't watch. That is ridiculous to me.

Oh, there's like a whole bunch of like Hitchcock's films that I can't see. That also seems

bonkers to me. The foreign correspondent, the lady vanishes, shadow of a doubt, vertigo,

even vertigo is not available. That is crazy. Oh, I've really wanted to see Pan's labyrinth.

I have a deep, deep affection for Guillermo del Toro, but I can't see that, especially like

foreign films too. You know, everybody loved Parasite when that came out, but I can't see that.

But some stuff like Squid Game was described, so I could see that. Starship Troopers,

um, 20 days later, the drug that I have to immune. Magnolia, Fight Club, The Big Lebowski,

Itanya, Malcolm X, the list truly goes on and on. And what this means for Chris is that in

addition to losing his sight, he feels like he's lost the ability to participate in huge swathes

of our culture, simply because someone somewhere is making a choice not to describe these movies.

And I deserve to access this culture like everybody else does. And it really pisses me off

when there's something that I'm really excited about. And I'm like, oh, it looks really good.

I want to see that. And then I'm like, oh, it's not available. Um, especially if it's like an

older classic or something, like everybody has seen this film. And I just haven't. And I know

that like nobody's going to describe this because it came out fucking 50 years ago. Like who's

going to go back and, you know, do this? So what does the solution look like to you?

Um, in what sense? I guess my question is to put it in delicately.

What do you expect me to do about it? Um, I guess there's two things I want. I would just love it

if I could whittle down this list I have of inaccessible films, you know, if somebody could

make a track for me, I'd be something, uh, descriptive audio track. And also I would just love to

have this whole industry make sense to me. And I think if it did and I kind of understood like

what's actually going on behind the scenes and why, why are some films described, why are some not,

it would make the experience of like finding films that aren't described a little less frustrating

because it's not just this mysterious, inscrutable black box that's not giving me what I want for

unknown reasons. Well, thank you so much for your time, Chris. We're going to get to work on

this and see what we can do. Um, yeah, thanks so much for taking the interest. I wasn't sure

if it would be too gargantuan to throw on a little team like yours or

listen, even if we love taking on stories that are way too big for us and then about six months later

getting into a meeting and being like, yeah, this one's too big for us.

But at least he gave it a shot. Yeah, yeah. Well, I won't feel offended if for whatever reason,

the story doesn't work out, but I deeply appreciate the consideration.

Okay, so there are two things we need to do. One thing we need to do is figure out why some

things are being audio described and not others. And we suspect this decision has something to do

with the cost of producing descriptions and also with the legal standards established by the

Americans with Disabilities Act. But whatever the case, it seemed like this question was going to be

pretty easy to answer. So we decided to table that for a bit and instead focus our energy on the

not so easy part of Chris's problem. We wanted to create an audio description for one of the movies

on his list. The North American style of audio description tries to be as objective as possible,

say only what you see do not presume intent. You are giving your audience access to the exact

same amount of information that the cited audience has access to. No more, no less.

This is Jenna. She is a professional audio description producer. She works at a company called

Descriptive Video Works, which is the largest producer of audio descriptions in North America.

And she's widely considered to be one of the thought leaders in the audio description space.

So when we committed ourselves to creating an audio description track for Chris,

we knew Jenna would be the best person to tell us how to do it well. But within the first five

minutes of the conversation, we realized that this was not the kind of question that could be

answered with a step-by-step list of instructions. Because although audio descriptions strive to be

the subjective representation of what's happening on the screen, you know, Maverick goes into his

deep climb. Maverick shoots up between their planes. Creating that objectivity is actually a

highly subjective process. It requires the producer to make countless micro decisions about what

information is needed in order to give their audience the same quality viewing experience that

a cited person would have. And that may seem like a straightforward idea, but I will give you an

example of why it's not. Take Starship Troopers, which is one of the movies on Chris's list.

On the surface, it's a sci-fi movie about the people of Earth being at war with a race of

giant insect aliens. But that's not really what it's about. Starship Troopers is actually a movie

about fascism. And the human characters in the movie are the bad guys. Their war with the aliens

is a colonialist project, and one of the ways that's conveyed is through their clothing,

which is very reminiscent of Nazi uniforms. So I asked Jenna, you know, given the rules about

objectivity, how would you describe something like that? And her answer, which could easily be

applied to just about everything else in the world, was it depends. It depends how blatant it is

because there is a lot of gray area with when to make a judgment call and to sort of presume on

behalf of the audience. So ideally, we would want to describe why do I think this looks like a Nazi

uniform? What made me think that? What are the parallels that I can draw? Pick out those details

and then describe those. So rather than saying like they wear uniforms that are representative of like

Nazi SS, rather than say that outright, we would say something like they have, you know, like this

certain style of color, the colors, the like the badging on the collar, so that maybe if the person

who's listening is a history buff, they can draw the same conclusion and they can draw the same

parallels, even if they're not a history buff, they might say, wow, the person is like really

describing this crisp, clean uniform in such detail. I wonder if there's like some symbolism

behind that and maybe they go look it up later. The same way a sighted person who's not a history

buff might get curious about why these uniforms look the way that they do and go look it up later.

But that's not the only factor that goes into decisions like this. In fact, it's not even the

most important factor because beyond objectivity, the primary constraint when it comes to writing audio

descriptions is timing. Everything that we say has to be able to fit within the timing between when

people are talking. If there's a scene with continuous dialogue and they're doing a walk-and-talk

and there's no time to squeeze things in, we might not be able to describe any of that because the

dialogue is more important and we can't just arbitrarily choose to pause the source media to

insert more of our descriptions because one, it's impossible the way that the workflow works, but

two, people don't really like that. We've tried experiments with that in the past and people

don't really like when the narrative flow of a scene gets broken just to throw in more descriptions.

So we have to be very concise and oftentimes that brevity means we have to sacrifice some of our

rules of objectivity because it takes longer to say the things that made us come to the conclusion

that the uniforms in Starship Troopers are reminiscent of Nazi uniforms. It is a highly

specialized form of technical writing. I've become an expert at finding synonyms that are fewer syllables

because sometimes you find the perfect word to describe something and it's five syllables and

you just do not have time to say that entire word. So finding language that is concise and evocative

is probably our biggest challenge as describers but also like us being able to mentally take a step

back, take in a scene or a setting or a character and be able to pick out certain elements or

details of it that made us feel like some cohesive way like if there's an opulent ballroom,

I ideally if I have time I'm not going to just say it's an opulent ballroom, I'm going to pick out

like okay there's crystal chandeliers, there's red carpet, there's gold filigree, like I'm going

to pick out certain details that made me think opulence and then describe those rather than just

telling the viewer this is an opulent ballroom, like that doesn't add a whole lot of flavor to it.

It's such a fun mental challenge every time you come upon something, not to mention you kind of

have to become an expert in visually identifying whatever you're looking at, like is this siege weapon

a ballista or is it a trebuchet or is it like you have to you end up googling so many weird things

and I'm so appreciative of communities that put together comprehensive wikis for like martial

arts kicks, wrestling moves, types of knives, like this is stuff that I'm probably on a list

somewhere because I've googled so many weird things in the course of my work.

And again, choosing how and when to describe the things that are happening on the screen

is just one example of the countless curatorial decisions that have to be made to replicate the

essence of a sighted viewing experience. And then once the script is done, producers also have to

cast narrators with voices they feel like belong in the world of the movie, but not so much

that they might be confused with one of the characters. And then there's mixing in such a way

that keeps pace with the rhythm of the movie while also upholding the sonic integrity of its

genre conventions. It is truly a high wire plate spinning act and the idea of having to make one

of these, especially for the movie I was thinking about making it for, was starting to make my head

spin. So I decided to pivot our conversation from audio description theory to audio description

practice. So Jenna, you sent over a couple examples of good audio descriptions. I was wondering if I

could play one of them and just have you walk me through the choices that were made like what's

working, what's not working, that kind of thing. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Now I just have to

figure out how to share my screen. Give me a second here. One of the clips that Jenna sent over

was from the opening of a movie called Smile 2, which in my opinion is one of those rare examples

of a sequel that absolutely dunks on the original just improves on it in every way.

But the reason I wanted to talk through this specific clip is because it shares some

characteristics with the movie I was thinking about describing for Chris. For one thing,

it has some pretty long sections without any dialogue. And for another, it has some very graphic

violence. It's excellent. So good. So for the audience's benefit, a guy walks into a building,

shoots a couple guys, jumps out a window, gets hit by a truck. Yeah. And then the name of the movie,

Smile 2 is like written in blood basically on the road as he's sort of smeared across the road.

For warning, there is gore that's going to be viscerally described in this scene. But this is an

example of really well done audio description in my personal opinion. Alright, let's listen to this one.

A pickup truck collides with him as he reaches the street, the goon watches from the window.

Credits appear. Paramount picture is presents.

A temple hill production.

In association with bad feeling, a thick, smearled blood coats the pavement.

The blood spreads down the road in a wide, angular line. One of Joel's boots lies in the blood

with his freshly cut foot still inside it. Steve forgot how gross this was. Yeah.

The blood smear grows wider. Curving as the visceral laden path follows the trajectory of the black truck.

Sparks burst from an electrical box the truck crashed into. The blood smear ends in the gory

mass of Joel's body beneath the truck. From above, the smear forms a crimson smile.

A title appears in red and black lettering. Smile too.

So first of all, just happy to watch the opening of that movie again. What made it so good?

What like what was made it so effective to you? So right now, there's a little bit of controversy

in the audio description community for when and how to describe jump scares. So there were a couple

great examples in that scene of I think it's the most common method of currently describing jump

scares, which is you leave a little bit of silence right before the jump scare happens, especially if

there's like a big boom or musical cue in this case, the truck hitting Joel and then screeching

off to the right side out of scene. And the description in this case chose to have Joel

running. He's getting shot at silence from the narrator and then boom truck hits and then

you describe what just happened so that you can get that little oh god, what was that at the

same time as everyone else rather than describing what happens before it happens. Another rule for

audio description is to never describe camera movements. So like pans, zooms, you don't acknowledge

the camera. You're supposed to describe it like in like full immersion. And unless the characters

are somehow breaking the fourth wall like interacting with the camera lens or looking straight at

the audience in some way, you never acknowledge that there even is a camera in the scene. So the

temptation for a new audio describer might have been to say the view pans along the blood smear or

the trail, but instead they described it as just the blood smear stretching down the road and

continuing along the road. And then at the end to get the idea of that it's a top down bird's

eye view shot, they instead said from above the blood smear forms the shape of a smile, something

like that. That's what I loved about it. That's very interesting because I was watching it and

sort of trying to predict what the audio description would sound like. And immediately I was like,

he's going to say the camera pulls back or the camera pulls up revealing the blood smear

that's a smile, but you're not supposed to do that. I didn't realize that that was a deliberate

decision. So when it comes to this show, I do have a tendency to get a bit overconfident.

And usually I think that is a net positive because that very hubris allows me to tackle problems

that I otherwise wouldn't even attempt. But sometimes that confidence bites me in the ass,

and it puts me in situations where I have an emotional attachment to an outcome without the skills

that I need to achieve it. And this was the moment I began to suspect that I was in one of those

situations. I didn't just want to make an audio description for Chris. I wanted to make him a

great one. And it was becoming clear to me that I was simply not equipped to do that.

So I told Jenna about Chris and his list of movies and about how I had planned to make a

custom audio description for him, except that I was beginning to think I wasn't equipped to do it.

And then just in case I was misreading the situation, I asked her, this is not something that

a novice should just do, right? No, I mean, I don't want to discourage anyone from getting into audio

description. Of course, if you yourself have someone in your life and you've watched through

movies or you've gone to any live events with someone who is low vision, you have probably

already been an impromptu audio describer in the past. But professional audio description

has a lot of quality standards and is highly technical because we want to create the best possible

product for a marginalized community. So nothing should stop anyone from casually audio

describing things wherever they want to. In fact, there's an entire website for anyone who's

interested in helping out called you describe, which is where blind and low vision people can

submit requests for YouTube videos to gain audio description and anyone can go in there and record

an upload a version of the audio description for that website for whatever videos you want to.

That is a fantastic way to get practice and there's different ways for people to view the multiple

audio tracks and leave feedback on your audio description. I would encourage people to read through

the quality guidelines that are publicly available. Maybe take some classes if you find that you

vibe with it. But yes, Alex, to answer your question, I would not recommend taking on audio

description for an entire film if you don't have previous experience with it.

So I guess my question to you is, would you be willing in order to make our listeners' life

easier? Would you be willing to help us audio describe one of these movies?

I would love to. Yes, I would love to help out.

Will you help out with voicing it by any chance? Oh my god, I would love to. This is a dream come true

for me. Do you have a preference in terms of which one we do? So I personally have always been

a massive fan of Penn's Labyrinth. You guys, this was the very same movie I'd been thinking about

as well. Not only because Chris mentioned it in our first interview, but because it's director

Guillermo del Toro is a true student of those old universal monster movies that first ignited

Chris's love for film. And while it's not technically a horror movie, it's certainly horrifying.

It's told from the perspective of a child living through the aftermath of the Spanish Civil War,

and it's full of monsters, both the fantastical and the incredibly gruesomely grounded.

I love to the film, both the historical aspects of it and the

without spoiling anything, the skin crawling horror that comes with it is fascinating to me,

and I would love the chance to audio describe that. Oh my god, I know. It's so good.

So what are the next steps? What do you need from us in order to start the process?

Basically, copy of the film. And just like that, we were off to the races.

Jenna and her team at descriptive video works were going to rate a feature length audio description,

a service that normally costs upwards of $2,500 by the way, and they were going to do it for free.

On top of that, Jenna had personally volunteered to coach me through the first half of

my narration. All I had to do was send her a copy of the movie. So I hopped online,

scrolled around a bit, found a digital copy of the movie that met all the necessary text

specs, and then just before I hit the purchase button, I realized why nobody's created an audio

description for Pan's Labyrinth. That's after the break.

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Chris came to us with questions about the world of audio description and a list of movies that

didn't have descriptions. He wanted us to make him a custom audio description. And of course,

we had no idea how to do that. So Jenna, from descriptive video works, agreed to help us create an

audio description for Pan's Labyrinth. But just before we hit purchase on a digital copy of the

movie to send to Jenna, we realized that there was actually a very specific reason why nobody's

made an audio description for Pan's Labyrinth. The story goes that back when Guillermo

del Toro was looking for funding to make the movie, Hollywood producers came knocking. And they

offered him massive amounts of money, the kind of money that would have allowed him to make any

version of the movie he wanted. All he had to do was agree to one condition. He had to make the

movie in English. And Guillermo del Toro refused. He argued that for a movie set in Spain,

about the aftermath of the Spanish Civil War that steeped in so much Spanish iconography,

the Spanish language was essential. So not only was the movie made in Spanish,

it has very intentionally never been dubbed into English. Ever. Which means if you don't

speak Spanish, the only way to watch the movie is with subtitles. Which are great, by the way,

because Guillermo del Toro translated them himself. But reading subtitles isn't an option for Chris.

So we had to go back to square one and pick a new title from Chris's list of undescribed movies.

So back when we first spoke to Chris, he mentioned the names of a bunch of different movies he

desperately wanted to watch. Movies like Vertigo, Parasite, 28 days later, Starship Troopers.

So when we realized we had to pivot, those were the movies we wanted to prioritize.

But we didn't end up picking any of them. Because it turns out they actually have been described.

In fact, we discovered that nearly half the titles on Chris's list have audio descriptions

available somewhere online. We just can't tell you where to find them. Because these are not

official audio descriptions. They're not made by the film's distribution companies.

Which meant, as we were about to learn, that they're not technically legal.

And understanding why that is is actually the key to answering Chris's original question

about why some things are audio described and other things aren't. So that's what we're going to talk

about right now. Initially, we thought the answer to Chris's question had something to do

with the accessibility laws that had been established by the Americans with Disabilities Act.

And I guess that's sort of true, just not in the way that we thought.

This is Carl Richardson. And if there's anyone who understands Chris's frustrations, it's him.

Carl has dual sensory loss of vision and hearing. But before losing his vision,

he actually went to film school and he worked in the film industry.

So today, Carl channels his passion for film into advocacy, working as the co-chair of the

audio description project for the American Council of the Blind. And his headline for this

part of the story is, there's no law on man day which covers audio description for film and

television. There are laws that cover accessibility for the four main broadcast networks

and the top five cable networks, which get reassessed every three years. But for film and streaming,

nothing. So obviously, we were curious why it is that any movies are getting described at all.

Well, the story of how we got to this spot could begin in a dozen different places,

but the most straightforward version begins in 2011.

That was the year the National Association of the Deaf brought a lawsuit against Netflix

for violating the Americans with Disabilities Act. They said that by failing to provide captions

on some of its streaming content, the company had denied equal access to the deaf and hard of hearing

community. And rather than lose the court case, Netflix agreed voluntarily to caption 100%

of the films and TV shows on Netflix. And it was then that the American Council of the Blind

decided, let's see if we have a shot for doing audio description. Now, given the success of that

first effort, you might expect that when the American Council of the Blind brought their own

accessibility lawsuit against Netflix, just a few years later, they would achieve the same outcome.

Netflix would agree to describe 100% of the content on its platform, and everyone would be happy.

But the thing is, Netflix doesn't have the right to describe everything on its platform.

Because unlike closed captions, audio descriptions are technically classified as derivative works,

meaning it can only be created by the party that owns the copyright to the movie.

Now, I want to pause really quickly here and make sure that everyone understands what I just said,

because it is the key to everything. Remember all those little decisions that Jenna was talking about

making, about casting a narrator, and how to mix the music, how to describe what's happening

on the screen? Well, when you put all those together, they make their own modified movie.

And if that modified movie hasn't been authorized by the copyright holder, it's considered

copyright infringement. So after that 2016 settlement, Netflix agreed to make audio descriptions

for 100% of its original content, but nothing more. So at first, the other movies and TV shows

on its platform, that is the vast majority of its offerings, none of them had audio descriptions.

But then, something pretty amazing happened. After Netflix settled that lawsuit,

a whole bunch of other streamers and distributors started describing their own movies and TV shows,

and they've been doing it ever since on an entirely voluntary basis.

And sure, you could say that they're only doing that because they're afraid of being sued,

and yeah, that probably does have something to do with it. But according to literally every person

we spoke to about this issue, that's definitely not the whole story. I also think they do it

because they can track who's watching it and who's not, and they wouldn't be doing it if the

numbers didn't back it up. These companies don't share their consumer data, but it seems like

accessibility is actually good for business. And that seems to be reflected in the choices they're

making about what does and does not get described. We're trying to work with companies to do back

catalog, but that's complicated too because they cost money and back catalogs tend not to get the

viewership. They have a new show, right? I'm sure many films on your list news list, Chris,

were all movies. Is that correct? Honestly, when I looked at it initially, I didn't think the Chris'

list was full of old movies. But if 2016 was the bell-weather year for audio descriptions,

then yeah, it's full of stuff that was made before that mark. In fact, of the 55 movies that

are on Chris' list, only two of the English language titles were released after that point.

And they were both very independent movies, like one of them had a budget of just $3 million.

As for the foreign language films, Carl says that pretty soon we're going to start to see a lot more

of them getting released with audio descriptions. Because just last year, the EU passed a new law,

the European Accessibility Act, that among other things requires broadcasters and streaming services

to provide audio descriptions for all their new video content. As for the back catalogs,

those will need to become accessible by 2030. How this will impact new theatrical releases or

titles that aren't owned by streamers or broadcasters, Carl is not entirely sure.

What he does know is that in the United States, right now, an estimated 80 to 85% of new movies

are being released with audio descriptions. And that number will go up. Because one of the

biggest obstacles they currently face is public awareness. I'm just unaware of blind people

watch movies. But if you go to the audio description project website, which is adp for audio

descriptionproject.acb for American Council of the Blind.org, we have over 13,000 titles.

Now that's a drop in the bucket to every movie that's ever made. But 10 years ago,

we maybe had 1,000. You know what I mean? So we are making incremental progress.

Coming out of our conversation with Carl, we were feeling really good about the future

of audio accessibility. But we were also feeling something a little less good. Because like all

of those other third party audio descriptions of the movies on Chris's list, whatever we decided

to make, it was going to be illegal. So although we had originally hoped to release it into the world

and fill a hole in the accessibility landscape, we realized that whatever we made would have to be

for Chris's ears only. Which is one of the reasons why we ended up choosing the movie we chose.

Okay, uh, ready?

Granny words appear. This film takes place in New York City in the early 90s.

Opening credits appear in the grainy text. Paramount pictures and touchstone pictures present

a Scott Reuben Kappa DeFina production. Credits continue. A Martin Scorsese picture.

Nicholas Cage.

Title appears. Bringing out the dead. How is that? Bringing out the dead is a Martin

Scorsese movie that came out in 1999. And if you aren't familiar with it, it's probably because

it's not considered to be one of his better efforts. It's a grimy, dirty movie about paramedics on

the graveyard shift in New York City, navigating their own messy personal lives as well as the

lives of their patients. But for me, it's always felt like Scorsese is best. A movie that both

chuckles at and holds space for the worst moments in people's lives. It's a movie about death and

suffering and hope. And as Scorsese himself said, quote, it's about what our part is in life.

But it's no surprise to me that the movie is an audio described because no one saw it.

Unfortunately, the marketing for the movie made it look like a Michael Bay film, prominently

using a scene where an ambulance crashes spectacularly in all of the trailers. Even though that

moment is almost incidental to the plot. But it was so good to watch again, especially while

I audio described it, because it forced me to pay attention to the visual aspects of the movie

that have previously just blown right by me. From start to finish, it took about three weeks to

complete the project. After tracking with Jenna, we sent everything over to our engineer Noah Smith,

who mixed my narration track into the movie. And when it was all done, we sent it to Chris,

who got back to us a few days later with this message. I just finished bringing out the dead,

and I loved it. I loved the cage. I love films with this kind of grimy 1990s New York City backdrop.

It was a great time. As for the audio description aspect, I was very impressed.

Everything was very professional. I know Jenna wrote the script, so I was kind of to be expected,

but the mixing was really well done. Although it was kind of funny at first to hear Alex's voice

narrating pretty quickly. I just forgot that it was even Alex Goldman narrating my movie.

And it just kind of became part of the film. I think you guys did a really great job.

This is a good experience. And I'm looking forward to watching some more movies.

So thank you, Hyper Fixed team, for expanding the accessible world just a little bit for me.

Hyper Fixed is produced and edited by Emma Cortland, Emory Eights,

Sarah's Office of Panic, and Victoria Dominguez Peak. The episode was engineered by Tony Williams.

Special thanks to Noah Smith, who masterfully makes bringing out the dead for our listener, Chris,

and also thanks to Joel Snyder, President of Audio Description Associates,

for giving us more context about the audio description world. The music is by a breakmaster cylinder

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