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This has to do with Eric Swalwell, who always seems to be getting into some kind of heat.

That's right.

So we now know that Eric Swalwell, who's a candidate for governor of California,

also a member of Congress, a long time antagonist of the president,

has now sent a cease and desist letter to the FBI.

One, the fact that he's like, you know, I think we can just tell him to stop,

send a cease and desist is pretty brazen.

I think a lot of people may try this tactic if he's successful in the future.

But this comes as there's news that the director of the FBI,

Cash Betel, as many other people in the team are looking at releasing the investigative docs

around the Chinese spy that had infiltrated his campaign and his office.

This is Eric Swalwell.

Everyone remembers this story, Christine Fang, also known as Fang Fang,

that ended up being a spy, a Chinese government spy that had gotten very close to the congressman.

And was able to infiltrate his office.

Now, the congressman is trying to say, this is election interference,

putting out information about me that could be negative.

This is going to really hurt my political campaign.

I did nothing wrong.

This is the same person who bought into the Russia collusion hoax and wood leak,

was actually investigated for leaking in the first Trump administration,

information, investigative things about the Russia collusion hoax.

He was so certain that it was President Trump was colluding with Russia.

He is also the one that will play sound too about how adamant he is

that you have to get all of the documents out for transparency about things like Jeffrey Epstein.

But all of a sudden, when it's hitting close to home,

he's sending a cease and desist from his attorney saying,

hey, there's going to be legal trouble for you.

Cash Patel, if you release my documents.

And we've got some fun audio to play in the next segment,

you know, flashing back just a couple months ago,

where Iarx Wawel was calling for full transparency, full sunlight,

to make sure that conservatives and liberals were being held accountable.

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I think we need to reset.

Maybe you can join and kick this around here,

because this is an interesting moment.

You have Eric Swalwell once again, making himself known.

I think we should play this to set everything up.

So this is Eric Swalwell.

Before you hear everything, back on, this is from CNN.

This is from December 22nd.

Everyone's getting ready for Christmas.

Don't feel like that long ago.

Less than four months ago.

Let's take a listen to Eric Swalwell.

I see it as the best disinfectant is sunlight,

but sunlight will not work when all the names have been blocked out.

So release the files.

We have a lot that we can do if Republicans want to join us.

Trust that the Americans are mature enough to handle it.

We can handle the truth regardless of who's in it,

Republican or Democrat.

And obviously that is about the Epstein files.

But meanwhile, the letter from his attorney to Cash Patel says this.

The congressman has never been accused of wrongdoing in that matter.

And your attempt to release the file is a transparent attempt to smear him

and undermine his campaign for governor of California, the letter said.

Your actions threaten to expose you and others at the FBI and the FBI itself

to significant legal liability.

Meanwhile, these are documents we have been seeking at the FBI, at the FBI, at the ACLJ

for five years or more.

Our first lawsuit of the Biden administration was a FOIA lawsuit trying to get the agencies to respond

because of all of this information that came out that Christine Fang had been able to

over a long period of time embed herself within his entire camp.

So we knew that she was close to Eric Swalwell.

He was on the House Intelligence Committee.

He had access to very sensitive documents that a Chinese spy would be interested in.

And we wanted to know at the ACLJ how damaging that was to US national security.

And Jordan now, like he's trying to brush it off, like this was 10 years ago when she was in my office.

No, but nothing to see here.

I did nothing wrong.

So therefore you shouldn't see this.

And actually this is a violation of my rights FBI if you release these documents.

If he had a spy successfully infiltrated his office and he did nothing wrong, why would you not want the information out

so that other offices like yours, and if you're running for governor of the largest state in the country,

that you want to make sure as well that that kind of infiltration doesn't happen at the state level,

which obviously we know that Chinese have these influence campaigns in the United States.

And they were targeting California politicians.

Remember I was a fine stein who had the driver for over a decade who came out as a Chinese spy.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they did something illegal.

It could have been bad judgment at a certain point to say, you know what?

Maybe what is, why is this person hanging around?

Why are we getting so close to this person?

There's some personal allegations here, I think, as well.

But the idea is that if you want everything out about Donald Trump and you want him accountable for everything

and everybody associated with him, then everything should come out about you when it actually does make sense.

I mean, this isn't just like we randomly want to release stuff on Eric Swall because he's running for governor of California.

There's a Chinese influence campaign of spies that has been targeting California elected officials and other politicians.

I don't care if they're Republican or Democrat.

At a certain point, I think the information is able to be shared with the American people without giving up the intelligence.

So it's not harming an ongoing investigation.

So that others know because we have numerous of Congress elected all the time like he was in an unexpected victory who come in with very young staff.

And then people, you know, say, hey, I'll work for you and they're low salaries.

And we need to know what to look for as problems all over Washington DC, especially against the country that we know is actively got a campaign to put these Chinese spies inside American elected officials offices.

Well, and once again, Jordan, when you think about the absurdity that he's saying, you're just trying to interfere with my election.

That is what he and Adam Schiff did for years.

You had to go through an impeachment hearing in trial on the Senate.

He was actually part of the impeachment team.

The President Trump wasn't president.

We tried to write a president who wasn't in office.

So again, you kind of re-put you so to some extent.

He always kind of, I think, was playing too close to the fire because these allegations were always coming out at the same time.

And it was kind of, you know, very much a double standard.

On the one hand, we know that there's a Chinese spy close to him.

And that doesn't mean again that he did anything illegal.

He hasn't been charged with a crime.

But that also doesn't shield the information from the American people because it could be helpful.

And I even look past like political campaigns.

Think about the kind of corporate interests, not even just huge companies.

But let's say you are a chemical company, a small chemical company in a can'tis.

Right? And how do they, you know, what to look for when people show up who, who, again, they fit the bill.

They, they, they looks like they would be good for the job.

But then you start kind of looking into the background that you do in a normal background check,

especially if you're handling anything sensitive, like a congressional office

where someone who was on the Intel committee would be.

You say, you know what?

We might need to slow this down.

Not, not a racial matter.

It's not an ethnicity matter.

It's just a, we know there's an issue with China.

Let's get more information before we let these people close to us sitting U.S. Congressmen.

And remember, they had to shut down a consulate in the United States.

Because it was just a spy outpost.

This is not the police station.

Right. In New York, like these, this isn't so outside the realm of possibility.

But also we know that she was within his office in the fact that as a, a public servant as someone

who was a member of Congress representing people of California and now wanting to be a governor of the state,

the fact that they wouldn't say, yeah, let's release it all.

Let's let them see everything to see how this is going on.

Because you know what I care about?

I care about national security.

He could even spin this and try to say like, well, you know, we don't have Department of Homeland Security

because the Republicans, even though we know that their spin there is false.

But he could try to spin it, say like, well, we're at a very dangerous time.

We need to get more sunlight on these things.

No, instead they're sending a cease and desist and threatening legal action.

Saying, you're violating my first amendment rights because you're targeting me

because I'm of a different party.

That's their argument here, Jordan, is that the fact that he was the one that had a spy within the office.

This isn't as though it is something brand new that no one has cared about.

We've been fighting this for five years trying to get information.

If it can come out this way because they are going through, redacting,

making sure that top secret information or things of that nature isn't included doing it carefully

and then releasing it, I am very proud of the FBI for being transparent.

We have seen that since President Trump was reelected and since there's been a new guard at the FBI

of getting this type of stuff out.

And the fact that he is sitting here after years of leaking information that he got on his committee

and Adam Schiff got on their committees, leaking it out to damage their political opponents

that he would try to cry foul now.

I think he should just be like, you know, I've done similar things, I guess this is where we're at.

But no, he's going to try to make this like he's the victim here and try to actually use it to gain votes in California

and hide it and say, no, no, I was not infiltrated by a Chinese spy when we know he was.

Honestly, I don't even know if this really hurts to be in California.

I mean, because he can play the politics of it that he wants to and obviously if he's the leading candidate

that tells you where California politics is to this day.

At the same time, again, it's it shouldn't be about him.

It should be that this is information that the whole country was concerned about.

The fact is that it doesn't matter if you're infiltrating these fundraisers who are putting interns in people's offices by Democrats or Republicans.

It's not about necessarily that the member of Congress violated the law.

It's what should they and their staffs be on the lookout for?

After he was briefed by the FBI, he cut the relationship off.

She was no longer around no longer to any fundraising for him.

So he obviously no was knows that there was so enough information there.

He didn't like say back and say, no, no, this is someone who's helped my campaign.

I'm going to still let them help my campaign.

No, no, that he got the information.

It was Ken McCarthy who said after the FBI briefing, you wouldn't want Eric Swahwell on any of your committees.

That's not just the intel committee on any committees after what the FBI told him in a closed door hearing about that situation.

And of course, his leaking that we also know was a huge issue with him and Adam Schiff's office.

When you're dealing on intel committees, that's the one thing you're not supposed to be doing.

You know, it's leaking intelligence information for political purposes only, which damage not just your political opponent, but the United States of America and our intelligence community.

When we get back, Rick Reynolds is going to be joining us and I have a feeling he is going to have a lot to say about this situation.

Of course, it is in his home state of California.

Number one, number two, we know he and Eric Swahwell, the good buddies over the years.

Well, I'm sure, but that thing said very, very close allies are open.

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I was Rick Renell connected with us. I'm sure we'll check to see.

We got him. Okay. Rick is joining us right now.

Rick, obviously, and maybe I kick us to Will again.

Our whole conversation today has been about this news from Eric Swahwell saying,

you know what? I believe there should be sunlight on everything.

They should be telling everyone the truth.

We should be all of the controversy.

We should be out there in the public to see whatever it could be.

Unless it's about me.

Rick, I think this is a case study in political hypocrisy.

When things like leaking about a Russia collusion hoax is fine.

And also forcing as much sunlight on Epstein files is fine.

But as soon as it becomes a scandal within your own political office,

you're going to send a cease and desist to the FBI.

What do you take on Eric Swahwell's inability to be transparent

with the public about the spy that was embedded within his office?

Well, I think you hit it right here.

It's total hypocrisy because what we've known for years

is that Eric Swahwell has said that this narrative that he had in the fair

with the Chinese spy was wrong.

He would say things like you're misinterpreting what was done.

He would say things like this is half truths.

And so now we've got the opportunity to see the whole file

and he's running scared.

He's really nervous that the public is going to get to compare the truth

to what he's been telling us for years.

This is the same thing that happened with Adam Schiff.

When Adam Schiff was exposed, when I declassified and unredacted,

all of the information that he had been saying,

you know, I get to see it, you don't, you don't understand the full file.

Well, when we released the full file, it was proven that Adam Schiff

had been lying on CNN and MSNBC for years.

This is now in Eric Swahwell's lab.

He doesn't want this to come out because he's running for office.

He is a manipulator of the truth and when the truth is about to come out,

he gets very nervous.

Yeah, Rick, one of the questions I have also is, you know,

when we talk about Gavin Newsom looking to run for president

and how he has received even within his home state,

but has been able to create this sort of narrative around the country,

obviously, Eric Swahwell is starting to move in a similar direction now for governor.

I just curious what it feels like on the ground in terms of even support

for someone like him because it does feel like they're cut from similar cloth, if you will.

Yeah, I think look, in our society, there are a lot of people who are just partisan Trump haters.

They just want to support anyone who hates Trump.

They don't know why they're supporting someone.

They don't understand the policies behind it.

If you're in California, you see Eric Swahwell every day attacking president Trump

and his entire campaign for governor is just attacking president Trump.

This is going to be a disaster for California, for California taxpayers,

for California businesses, anyone who's interested in common sense,

this is a train wreck that's coming because Eric Swahwell doesn't know anything about business.

He doesn't know anything about common sense reforms.

All he knows, all he does in Washington is bash Republicans and bash Donald Trump.

And so that's not a campaign for governor.

You can't run the largest state in the country simply by hating on Donald Trump.

We need somebody who is going to reform California.

The policies of a one party ruled Sacramento are disastrous.

And that's why California's losing power and losing people.

I also think it's curious when they try to say this is just election interference by the president

because he's scared of me.

That's the line they're trying to use.

When in reality, this isn't the first person that has FBI files or national security files

that this administration is releasing.

There has been transparency across the board, whether it comes to the Russia collusion hoax

or many other things that have been a public interest, other FBI investigations into President Trump,

showing what actually took place, showing how things were hidden from the public,

trying to be transparent.

And they're all for that when it doesn't hurt them.

But as soon as this is someone that's running for office,

which if you're a congressman, you're always running for office every two years.

He just happens to be running for governor now.

But trying to say that it's a smear campaign.

It's trying to undermine his campaign.

That was his playbook.

That was literally what he and Adam Schiff did for years trying to go after the president

using weaponizing their positions within Congress to try and put things out there

to create inform and narrative.

All of a sudden when this is actually what the FBI has been doing to everyone,

just releasing things, trying to be transparent,

he tries to frame it as something like this is what they're doing to me.

You always say when a Democrat is saying something and saying this is bad,

look over here, it's normally what they're themselves doing.

Is this another example of that?

Well, Eric Swalwell has been in office the entire time that Donald Trump has been in office.

And Donald Trump is not afraid of him.

We've seen Eric Swalwell throw temper tantrums, do press conferences, try to attack.

And it is nothing new.

No one is afraid of Eric.

Eric has tried everything that he can.

And look, if he had anything up his sleeve,

he would have already done it in the first Trump term when he was literally losing his head every single day about Donald Trump.

And so no one's afraid of him.

We've seen all of his tricks.

I think it's now judgment day.

All of the lies that he has been telling and the media have been covering up for him.

I've never seen so many Washington Post reporters and New York Times reporters rushing to ask the government

to not release information.

It's really another signal that journalism is dead when you have reporters calling for secrets.

It's quite shocking.

Absolutely, Rick.

Thank you so much for joining us today.

Really appreciate your guidance and your thoughts always.

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Should we reset and talk about this?

Do you want to talk about California?

Everything's California today.

Yes.

So they were spending time in the West Coast.

What we started this broadcast with is this...

This season's assist letter by attorneys for Eric Swalwell to...

Cash Patel and the FBI saying, hey, we understand that your potentially going to release files

that are related to a spy from China that was in my office for a long time

helped with fundraising and all sorts of other things.

Wow, it was on the House Intelligence Committee and things of that nature.

But if you release that, we're coming after you.

They said the congressman has called for the FBI to agree within three days

not to release the files saying that any further action to release them could prompt him to take legal action.

I wonder if maybe we could get a law release the Swalwell files in the House of Representatives

would he be okay with that?

Because I know that he was a big proponent of releasing the Epstein files through legislation.

That's whole thing goes to show the hypocrisy of those on the left.

And I think we should play again what Eric Swalwell said just a few months ago,

December 22nd of 2025, around this whole debate over Epstein files,

which the left didn't care about until they found a way to make it a negative for Donald Trump.

They had four years where they had the House, the Senate, they had Joe Biden.

They could have done it then.

They didn't care about it until they found a way to make it a political bludgeon.

But here's what he had to say about that in releasing files by date.

I see it as the best disinfectant is sunlight.

But sunlight will not work when all the names have been blocked out.

So release the files.

We have a lot that we can do if Republicans want to join us.

Trust that the Americans are mature enough to handle it.

We can handle the truth regardless of who's in it, Republican or Democrat.

You know what?

I agree with them.

I think that Americans are mature enough.

And I would say Californians are mature enough to read the files,

even if there's salacious things in there about how close you were with this individual,

that we can handle that to understand what happened, how a spy from the Communist Party of China

was able to get within your operation so closely and was undetected for so long.

American people can handle that.

We're mature enough to read through this.

And you were calling for no names redacted.

I understand it that the reason these aren't out yet is that the FBI is going through

and redacting things to make sure to protect people.

But no, you don't want the truth there because it's an embarrassment to you.

No one is saying that you broke the law with this.

The FBI isn't saying we are going to throw him in jail after we release these files.

But I think it's important for the American people to understand when our national security is compromised

by a foreign adversary, how it's done and how we can protect that from not happening again.

And if you want to be the executive of the largest state economy in the country,

then I think you should be pretty transparent with who's able to get that high up

in your political operation, Mr. Swalwell.

Yeah.

What he said.

When we get back, there's a big update in the world of the ACLJ.

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Welcome back to Secular.

We're now joined by Robert Tyler, who's president and chief counsel of advocates for faith and freedom.

This is an organization that does great work as well that actually had the Calvary Chapel case from the very beginning.

And is co-counsel with the ACLJ.

And so we are happy to have you on, Robert, to also talk about how long you have been fighting this.

Now we are fighting together at the Supreme Court, both our organizations.

But this is something that you have been in a lot longer than the ACLJ in our audience has heard about.

Go ahead and give some of how you got involved with this early on and the fight that you've had for years now.

Hey, thanks. Well, love to do that.

If I could say I am honored to partner with ACLJ.

We have been working with ACLJ.

I think the first case I had was back in 1997 when we had a trial in Riverside County, California.

And so it's been we've worked on many cases together and I'm greatly honored to continue that work with you guys.

Calvary Chapel San Jose contacted me in early 2020 as a result of the restrictions.

It's important to note that in San Jose, California, this is where it all started.

This is the Silicon Valley.

This is where the lockdowns were invented in the United States.

And this was the first county in the country to issue a lockdown order.

And then from there, it went to the state of California.

And then after that, there became a national lockdown, so to speak.

And so there's Silicon Valley made tons of money as a result of COVID.

Because of the technology companies up there with Netflix and everybody staying home watching TV,

or excuse me, watching these programs on their phones and things like that.

So this is a big deal.

And this is where it all started.

And it's going to end up here in the Supreme Court with your partnership.

We started in May of 2020 when we filed our first suit.

That was a federal lawsuit.

And then the county sued the church to put a stop to them and say, you know, you can't meet.

And, you know, there it was just ridiculous.

The restrictions.

And so we have been working on this case since May of 2020.

And so what's that take us to?

I mean, that's almost six years now.

Yeah, and Bob.

And this is Jordan's second.

That's something I wanted to underscore because we talk about a lot on this show.

But with groups like yours and again, to learn more about Bob's group and what they're doing in California,

you go to faith-freedom.com.

And you can support them too.

I mean, support them financially at faith-freedom.com because it's important.

Especially in states as large as California, to have those groups,

have partners like Bob that we work with at the ACLJ,

who've set up their own organizations who can do that work,

to make sure, you know, going back six years.

So Bob, we talk about that a lot because oftentimes on this broadcast,

by the time we're talking about something, it's already, you know,

pending at the Supreme Court.

It may have already been heard at the Supreme Court.

And our audience has gotten used to it.

But it's kind of a good reminder to know that most of the time,

we saw these kind of, we got a time period because of COVID,

where we saw a lot of emergency actions on appeal.

And the Supreme Court was kind of taking cases,

especially the Trump cases.

And we were involved in those two where they were taking them, you know,

a month after, two weeks, you know, these,

but that most of the time, you know, taking a case at the Supreme Court

is just under a decade.

It's a lot of work.

It's a lot of attorney hours, a lot of legal hours.

And it takes the client as well, the church as well,

who's willing to fight it all the way.

So I just tell people about that because sometimes on our broadcast,

we're already jumping to that point.

But, you know, along the way, that battle.

Yeah.

You know, it is, when we go back and we track our hours on how many hours

we put into this case, we have close to 2,500 hours

in time.

Had we been a for-profit law firm, building clients,

we would be, you know, well and excessive, you know,

$3 million, easy at this point, $4 million in fees.

And we do that pro bono, and we've done it because it's a calling God

to put on our heart.

And we believe it's necessary for our future generations to protect

our religious liberty.

And so, you know, that depositions, many, many depositions,

lots of investigation, lots of discovery,

which is just the grueling grunt work of litigation when, you know,

you're staying up late nights, writing responses, writing demands.

It just, there's so much work that goes into it that, frankly,

people don't see it.

They often look at lawyers and say, oh, such a kind of glamorous job.

That associate of mine, we were laughing yesterday,

because he said, you know, they talk about this being a glamorous job,

but they don't see us, you know, staying up late at night,

and our pajamas, you know, having to just trying to stay awake to keep work

and to get the things done that we need to get done.

It's tough.

And there's a lot of work that goes into it.

Well, and I also want to bring up that fact.

And something we talked to our audience here is that being able

to do this work for people protecting their constitutional rights

but also their God-given rights, that it doesn't come from the government.

The Constitution helps enshrine them and protect them,

but it comes from God, not from the government.

Being able to do that for these cases where we talked about this one in particular,

over $1.2 million fine plus six years of litigation.

That would bankrupt most churches, most organizations just being able to stand up

for your religious freedom.

And that is why it's so important groups like advocates for faith and freedom

as well as the ACLJ are able to do this because of those that support us

to help protect for every other church, every other person of faith

that just wants to live out and practice the rights that God gives them

when these governments come after them and try to do it in a way

that would make them go away.

Try to shut them down.

Make it so burdensome that no one can afford to do what we are doing here

except for the supporters that join us in stand alongside us.

Yeah, you've got that right.

I mean, if it's, I've often said that our free exercise of religion,

our free speech, our first amendment rights are only as good.

It's just written on paper.

But it's only as good as and strong as the people who are willing to stand up to protect it.

And that's where a lot of people just give up on their religious liberty, their free speech.

They get trampled on and they just walk away.

But it takes clients that are willing to stand up with courage

like Pastor Mike McClure and Calvary Chapel San Jose.

I've said that so many times to stand in courage in the middle of the Silicon Valley

where he's scorned by them.

And then it takes lawyers that are willing to, instead of make millions of dollars,

like we could be in some private law practice that we're building all of our hours,

but actually, I don't actually make a living doing this kind of work.

I make a living in a private law practice.

I donate my time to this generally.

And so, you know, we put our time into this and we do everything we can

because it's a calling by God.

And I want to say one thing.

I became a lawyer back in 1996.

Because in 1991, I read J. Cyclow's book.

I had a calling that I felt like it was something God wanted me to do.

J. Cyclow's book way back then.

And I thought, you know, at least I really feel like this is what God's calling me to do.

And it's been such an honor to be able to work for so many years with ACLJ.

And to be able to work with someone who inspired me to go to law school.

Bob, you know, we hear those stories from so many folks who have now put themselves

in influential positions like you have, you know, taking on these cases, attorney generals.

I've been meeting with some state attorney generals that heard it from a couple of them

who said, you know, that their entire legal careers were started that way.

I remember when I was younger hearing that kind of thing.

But when I, you know, older, you hear it and you realize there had to be something there

that said, hey, you know, I want to go into this field where it's going to be those late hours.

It's going to be weekends working.

We always say, like, our legal team, it's not ever really on vacation.

No one's really ever not on call.

It's not that we're trying to take people away from their family time or their time with their faith.

But this is their calling, as you said.

You're calling that they're committed to.

And again, people could support advocates for faith and freedom by going to faith-freedom.com.

And you can make a donation there.

And we encourage you to do that.

faith-freedom.com.

Bob, we're going to have you all more as we hear from the Supreme Court.

Again, we hope we get to take that case all the way there.

And again, to make sure that if this, we ever had a hope or not, those kind of situations again,

that our First Amendment liberties won't be trampled upon.

And if cities, governments try to trample upon them.

We will have Supreme Court precedent to fight back.

Bob, thank you for joining us to California.

And thank you for fighting alongside us for most of our existence too with the ACLJ.

Yeah, Jordan, thanks so much.

It's an honor to be with you.

Thanks, Bob.

All right.

Thank you, Bob.

Appreciate you calling in and being part of the show today.

And obviously all of the work that you've done with the ACLJ.

It's always appreciated.

Again, this is why the organization exists on such a broad scale.

Again, from individual cases, individual people to churches in the country to the worldwide work the ACLJ does.

And it's our last day of a double year impact drive.

So again, midnight tonight, I'm encouraging you to make your donation if you can't.

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Let's start off with Michael, who is calling from the state of Florida watching on a rumble.

Go ahead, Michael.

I kind of think the thing for Mr. Swalwell would be me.

Thanks.

Now protest is too much.

I know that karma doesn't usually play into my mindset too much.

But for him, I think it might fly.

Yeah, you reap what you sell.

Exactly.

Especially when you're looking at how much one, how much they were kind of a tool of the deep state, both he and Adam Schiff, the way they leaked things.

They were the ones that said, you know, there is no doubt in my mind that President Trump colluded with Russia.

We have the evidence.

They can never actually get the real evidence out there because it didn't exist.

But all of a sudden, as you say, obviously the Shakespearean quote that he doth protest too much, that when it's anyone else, transparency, good sunlight, good.

Let's let everyone see everything and you make up your own mind when it comes to having a spy from China.

The fact that we say it, we're not shocked by it as much anymore because we've been dealing with this for so long.

But he was on the House Intelligence Committee and was able to be infiltrated by the Chinese Communist Party through a spy in that he's like, you know, FBI.

You're going to be violating my first amendment rights.

I'd like to know how he feels about his own state.

He wants to run for governor, violating the first amendment rights of Calvary Chapel.

But Jordan, I don't think they'll weigh in on that because it may hurt his election chances there.

No, I think if he did weigh it, I don't need to say you deserve to pay that fine.

I mean, this is against what we've seen is that California won't drop this.

They could along the way they could have said just filed in court.

We're no longer trying to, you know, there's other cases out there where these fines have been held to be unconstitutional wrong.

You know, this was done six years ago with this haphazard way.

We were wrong done and it would be over.

But they have fought.

Remember, you know, we talked about with Bob Tyler just being there.

We've been fighting for six years.

He's been fighting for six years to get this case in a victory for Calvary Chapel.

The state of California decided to take on this battle.

They entered the case.

They decided as a state to enter the case and take on this battle to enforce a $1.2 million fine,

which to the state of California is nothing.

Right.

Calvary Chapel San Jose could be catastrophic.

Well, and also to that point.

And also that hanging over your head for six years.

That alone is a punishment, which unfortunately, Supreme Court victories, even if you do.

That doesn't fix that.

Right.

I mean, so in a sense, you've already lost what you can't get back, which is the pain and suffering,

emotional stress, financial stress, to your membership, to your leadership team,

of this financial penalty, which is a seven-figure financial penalty hanging over your head for nearly more than half a decade.

Well, it also shows the mindset of the state, because it's not free for the state to fight this in court.

No, no, no.

You're talking about it.

They've spent more than a million dollars.

They have spent more than they would be getting in the fight.

In the face.

A private law firm, like Bob was talking about, if you didn't have groups like ACLJ and have faith in his advocates of faith in freedom,

it would not be cost effective.

It'd be better to pay the fine, figure out how to pay the fine.

And if you didn't have California committed to using its state taxpayer dollars, because they fought it three-way.

If you have used entire bureaucracy to do this, they've been spending millions of taxpayer dollars, state taxpayer dollars,

to go after and try and find this church $1.2 million, because they don't like how they conducted themselves

with their COVID-19 policies, policies which were later found to be unconstitutional by courts.

And look, the work of the ACLJ, as George just said, it is a years-long battle.

We've just heard six years of just getting this case to this point in the state of California.

Some of them, though, of course, do move faster.

We don't want to act like this is always the case.

But if you're talking about something that's going to get itself to the Supreme Court, that's why we look.

When we do these kind of fundraising drives, we know sometimes it can be frustrating.

Because you'll hear about these cases, and it feels like it never ends.

And trust me, I'm sure for our legal team, it also feels like it never ends.

But we have to be able to continue to fight on.

We have to continue to raise awareness and bring that to the front of your mind.

Because we know this isn't going to be necessarily always the stories that are going to be top news.

But when you're a supporter of the ACLJ, you're doing all of that.

Also, you're doing it.

So when you need help, like many of you that go and reach out every day,

that you have an ACLJ attorney ready to work with you.

When your constitutional rights are attacked, when your religious freedom rights are attacked,

if it is within the scope of the work we do, you know it's at no cost to you.

Because people are standing up and supporting the work.

And they're becoming members of the ACLJ, they're becoming champions of the ACLJ.

And we also always have to be prepared that a case that we take on Jordan could end up at the United States Supreme Court.

That's the type of issues we deal with.

Sometimes you think they're settled law.

But even when you look at like the case in Texas where the teacher was told,

you can't pray anywhere that a student can see you.

We think that that's settled out of the Supreme Court because of the case with the football coach,

right, that was able to be seen praying on the football field.

Yet they're taking it to the, they lose and they're still trying to appeal it.

They may be trying to fight this the whole way.

And if they keep filing appeals, we have to be there to fight that.

And once again, it may seem like something that is an issue that we can get resolved quickly with even a demand letter.

That's still cost man hours.

It's still cost legal work that if you were to go to a private firm,

would cost thousands of dollars.

But when you also know that the ACLJ is prepared to take whatever case it is,

if we have to all the way to the Supreme Court,

that is what makes the people that stand with us so valuable.

This is why the donors, the dollars are so important.

Okay, because see what we can tell you is that what states,

counties and governments realize when they want to impose these fines on the American people

and restrict your constitutional rights, even when they know it's likely they could lose in court,

they know that a lot of people won't be able to find an organization that can take their case on.

And remember, remember when you're talking about taking the case on,

that law firms would say sure, but it's going to cost this much.

It could cost more than the fine that you are trying to fight back against.

And this is why the donors become so important.

You're able to set up organizations that can stand in the way to preserve the rights of the American people

that would otherwise not be preserved because it wouldn't be financially feasible for the injured person,

the person whose constitutional rights were violated, or the attorneys having to represent them,

who may not have an organization set up with donors and supporters to actually take on that work.

So it's because of your donations that constitutional rights are preserved for you and generations to come

from government overreach, states, counties, the federal government, school boards, local school districts,

we see it as city councils, it's never going to end.

They're urged from war power and to do it under times of stress like pandemics or any other kind of situation, war time,

terror acts of terrorism.

So we have to be ready to stand for your constitutional rights and our constitutional rights all of the time.

And that's again, I think it just explains why our donors so important for organizations like this.

In this case, you know, six years on, costing you millions of dollars to actually do, is exactly what it's all about.

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