
About this episode
In this episode, we’re joined by Santi from Empire! We discuss today’s crypto market conditions, stablecoin proliferation, and how long-term allocators are accumulating Bitcoin. We also touch on crypto’s data and transparency issues, and the valuation of L1s before wrapping with speculation on alien life.
Thanks for tuning in!
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Resources
Solana Dashboard: https://app.blockworksresearch.com/analytics/solana?dashboard=sol-overview
App Revenue by Chain: https://x.com/_ryanrconnor/status/1912944523459846580
Life on K2-18b? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c39jj9vkr34o
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Namada is the shielded asset hub rewarding you to protect the multichain. Enabling data protection for any existing asset, app, or chain, Namada introduces shielded cross-chain actions and rewards for shielding your assets, which strengthens data protection guarantees for everyone.
Namada is currently entering phase 3 of its mainnet launch — follow along on https://namada.net/
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Marinade is the premier staking delegation platform on Solana, bringing billions in liquidity and security to the Solana network, and connecting SOL holders to the best staking rates.
Since launching in 2021, Marinade has expanded their suite of products to provide solutions for both DeFi users and TradFi, including liquid and native staking, as well as direct enterprise integrations.
To learn more about Marinade, follow the link below: https://marinade.finance/?utm_source=blockworks&utm_medium=partnerships&utm_campaign=podcast
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Trade today at https://desk.exchange/?register-channel=BWpodcast and follow @TradeOnDESK on X!
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Timestamps:
(0:00) Introduction
(2:26) Market Outlook
(6:15) How Can Crypto Founders Weather the Storm?
(16:09) Ads (Namada & Marinade)
(16:39) Will A Potential Private Market Bubble Impact Tokenization?
(20:46) Long Term Bitcoin Holders Are Accumulating
(24:13) Getting Exposure to Stablecoin Growth
(34:11) Ads (Namada & Marinade)
(35:25) How Sticky is Stablecoin Issuance For L1s?
(41:07) Why Are L1s Valued the Way They Are?
(46:35) Desk Ad
(47:00) Crypto's Data and Transparency Problem
(1:00:52) Life on K2-18b?
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