Ben Shephard & Chris Kamara: Learning to run again for GNR!

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1:05I am now, which I thought never possible. How do you feel about that? He's dumped you for your drama. No, no. He doesn't want to see my foreskin. Hello there and welcome to RunPod. I'm Jenny Falkner and this is the Run Club of the podcast world, don't you know? This week's episode is an absolute joy actually, because I've got two people in the studio. It's like a bog off, but I won't get one free. They are proper mates on and off camera. And they're about to put themselves through 13.1 miles of pain for a good cause. I've known Ben Shepherd since the year 2000, when we co-presented entertainment today together for years. So I know exactly what I'm dealing with there. And joining him is Kami, Chris Camara, who I don't think really needs much of an introduction to be honest.

2:08Especially if you've ever watched football full stop. The two of them have become mates and I want to get this right. Was this it on Goals on Sunday? That's right. And Ninja Warrior obviously, and now they have decided the next natural step in that friendship is to run the great north run together for charity. Ben, Kami, welcome to RunPod. Thanks, Jenny. Yeah, absolutely. What an intro. I mean, I don't think really either of you need much of an introduction, but it's nice to big it up and build it up. Can I just say, it's lovely to be back. Was I your third guest on RunPod? No, no, no, you were the first guest. Was it first? You were the first guest. And I hate to say this to you, Ben. But the powers that be here, you were my first guest. And then Peter Andre came on as well. That's right, yes. And the guys here were going to put Peter Andre at first. I'm like, no, no, no. They picked me for Andre. Actually, Kami would do the same. It's a bit available for Sunday. Kami's ready to run for him. What a man. I introduce them to football.

3:10Peter Andre? Yeah. I thought you could say I choose you to get a show in Birmingham. Call, give a pet out home. I mean, that's right. It's shown in Birmingham. The man holding us well, right? Yeah, that was it. And so we got there on a Sunday afternoon. So I made him watch the big match on the telly in the bar. Okay. The four o'clock kickoff while we were having a couple of years. Yeah, funny, that usually is around beer. Okay, that's a great, we although I can't imagine. Beer and abs work so well for Peter Andre. I'm not sure these days. I mean, I've sent you a picture already because Kami and I are car-blowny for the weekend. I did. Can I just say, and by the way, hello to anyone who's listening wherever you are if you're out running, this episode is going to motivate you to go out and run, hopefully. It might me end up like a run to be fair. I think people would establish that. Just before we recorded this episode, I did get a photo as we were waiting for Ben and

4:10Chris to arrive. We got a photo of them in the pub. Nice pain. It was him who forced me. He blamed you. I told my wife on Saturday, this was my last time before the run on Sunday. So he put my arm behind my back and said, you're drinking it. I have this feeling that it didn't take much to get out or hide your back. Very well, don't you? So today we're recording this episode on Monday. It will be released on Friday. The run is on Sunday. OK, so you've had jolly holidays, the two of you. Although I have noticed that Ben has constantly been in training for the three. So I've noticed all summer he's been doing fitness. And, Kami, what about you? I went to Tenoree because I've just learned to run again. OK. It's been so hard for me to try and get the movement going properly.

5:13Because when I had the brain injury affected my balance. So the doctor told me to go heel toe first. Stop me tripping over. So the last five years I've been walking with my heels into the ground and stopped me tripping over. And of course, running isn't that way. It needs to be on your toes. So learning to run in these last two weeks properly has been great. A godsend, I can actually do it without losing my balance. See, that's amazing. And can I ask you, do you enjoy it? I love it. Ben, I'll tell you, I've always wanted to get back running. So when prostate UK asked me when I'd run the great North Run for them.

6:15I said, I can't do it. They went, it doesn't matter how you get round as long as you get round. And I said, are you sure? And they assured me. So then they said, would Ben join us? So I twisted his arm. So Ben's joining my son, Jack. And I, and we will get round. The really interesting thing, Jen, is when for some of your run pod listeners who love their running. If you don't know about Cammy's sort of top flight football career, he was known for being unbelievably fit. He was a proper boxer, Bog's footballer. He was amazing in defense. He was amazing in attack. And he was always super fit. Like, would run the socks off. We've interviewed Vinny Jones on many occasions. They were together at Leeds. And Vinny just used to talk about how annoying Cammy was. Because he just didn't stop running. One of your weapons was your fitness.

7:15So one of the toughest things about when you got the apraxia diagnosis and the dyspraxia and you had to deal with all that was the balance. The neurological pathways get interrupted between what he wants to do, motor wise and speech wise and what he can do. So being robbed of his strength and his balance was one of the hardest things because he's been an elite athlete. That's how he defines, that's how he made his career, that's how he's achieved, what he did professionally as a footballer. So they'll really lovely thing. Because like you said, you know, we've worked together and we were doing an injury and you fell over when we were doing it. And we laughed about it at the time. But we think it might have been a precursor to understanding that his balance had gone and he wasn't able to move his feet because his brain was, there was some injury. So the fact that he had to read, teach himself to walk heel to toe care if he so he didn't fall over. But now he's had to relearn to run again to get this joy back. And he's been giving me updates of his runs that he's been doing and the strength work that he's been doing. It's so exciting because that was such a massive part of your identity, wasn't it?

8:17For so many years. Absolutely, yeah. I love working out. And when it stops and you can't do it anymore, it's so hurtful. You know, my wife would say, I have a personal trainer and all that. But the desire goes, you don't want someone looking at you as if you're a patient. In my head, that's the way I look at it. And I'm proud and I want to do it myself. So getting back to doing this now has been absolutely incredible. He's been so good. He says two weeks, it's been way longer than that. I think the last two weeks you've ramped up a bit of distance, haven't you? But you've started doing this when we first started talking about this three or four months ago. And I was talking, you know, how do you feel about getting around? Because there's other things that injuries and stuff like hamstrings and calves and what have you. And you started really slowly and he's built up to it slowly.

9:21But the last couple of weeks, you've really about the particular strength work as well. But it just goes to show as well, doesn't it? Anyone who is out there running, you should really appreciate what you can do. Because if it goes and you miss it, it's one of those things. You just more in the loss of it more than anything. Yeah, yeah, you do. The brain is very complex. And it tells you you no longer strong anymore. You physically can't do it. It tells you you can't run anymore. So you physically can't do it. So you have to fight to beat that. You know, it's not a natural thing where all of a sudden you're born. You're a certain you wake up one day and you'll be fine. No, it don't work like that. You have to work hard and work at it. And thankfully, I'm nearly back with the help of Ben.

10:27I have to say, Jenny, he's been absolutely instrumental in helping me get back to work. I am now, which I thought never possible. He's a good guy, isn't he? It certainly is. Yeah. I pay in bed, don't worry. But, you do know how competitive he is. So, you know, you think you're just going to kind of try and get around. He's going to be whipping like a couple of months. I hope so. He is told me now and Jack my son, they'll help me get around. But I hope I'm pray that we can do it in two and a half hours. I've told the organizers that three hours we would do it in, but hopefully two and a half. What you know is amazing. No matter how long you take, it's doing the Great North run. Have you done the Great North run before, either of you? Yeah, I've done it a couple of times.

11:28I've done it once. Okay. I've to ask him what his time was. Oh, gosh, it's going to be amazing. What was your time? One hour, 29 minutes and 35 seconds. See, the supporters are fit, aren't they? And also, I mean, when you're in the Navy, did you get a good fitness from that as well? I did. I never worked in the Navy at all. Once they, I went in in March. So I went down to the football pitches, the Navy, football team were training there. And I managed to black it again. And they put me straight into the football team. So I didn't go on a shit or anything. Absolutely. Four months later, we had a friendly against sportsmouth reserves. I scored two goals. And Pompey bought me out for 200 quid.

12:31It still goes down as the worst deal in the club. But it lost my career. So we never made it on a ship. He wasn't in the Navy. He got recruited in the Navy, going to the football team. Just play football. And then they sold him. Wow. And support smith. There's not many stars in the Navy that don't even go on a ship and just get, you know, I represent you in the football. I had never, ever happened again. You know, all these football clubs, even with kids under 16, watched them every single week. So for Porsmouth to sign me on the back of one game that I scored two goals, would never happen again. It was about 1949, though, wasn't it? It was in the year. It was about 1974. We've just done this really lovely theatre tour. I saw. And it was so much fun, Cammy sharing the stuff. Like his story is remarkable.

13:31There's a reason why his autobiography was sports book of the year two years ago. His story and what he's been through and what he's achieved in his career is remarkable. And we talk about it. And we've, Cammy and I have talked about this. You know, he's come and get up against some extraordinary opponents, professional in the professional world. As a footballer, the biggest opponent is the appraxier. The biggest opponent is the brain injury that we can't necessarily really trace as to how it might happen. But to watch him tackle that and take that on has come about because of everything he's been through to get to now. So to turn up on Sunday, to be stood on the start line with one of my best mates, who I know what he's battled to get there, is going to be so exciting. It's such a special race. You've done it. It's so special with the community up in the Northeast, which is so special. It's such a magical finish as well. I'm really, really excited. I've not done it for years. And to do it with Jack as well, your son Jack. And the three of us to be doing that race and getting to that finish line is celebrating this monumental achievement.

14:31You know, he's really learnt to run. It's amazing. It's incredible. And there's, do you know, like 63,000 runners? It's the biggest race they've ever had. 200,000 spectators expected. And here's the thing. Every single one of them knows you. And you live here. You're going to be running along. And I know everyone knows who Ben is. I mean, you can't go anywhere without everyone who stops Ben. But I think you might completely be ignored on there, Ben. Trust me, when we did Ninja Warrior, Rochelle, you should say we'd walk around Manchester. Rochelle, you should say, oh my god, it's like being with Justin Bieber. Like, no one doesn't know Kami. You're at traffic lights and cast. The people shout from buses. People stop at shops. If you've read his book, you'll know that he queued for hours to get the middle's precapting to sign his autograph book when he was about eight. And the guy came running out and left him. He made a promise he would never not talk to someone who asked to speak to him or whatever. I think he reckons two and a half hours. It's going to take two and a half hours just signing your autographs. It's got another two and a half hours to do the race. Yeah, you do realize on the way around you don't sign autographs. They're not there to sign off to password. They're there to cheer you on on the way.

15:32You're going to be shattered saying hello. That's good. Yeah, I once did a race and I started at London marathon with you and Thomas. Who talks to everyone? By the way, he was knackered after about mile three just from talking. Talking. So preserve some energy. Great advice that, by the way. Yeah, it is quite a lot. Yeah, just to get that. Smiling way. And Ben, can I ask you what you, I mean, you were doing so much at the moment, not just you did marathon this year. How good was he in the London marathon? Amazing. That was a super fast time. Would you believe we did a show, a theatre show, in Portsmouth the night before? And he got home about half 12 one and a club. Of course he likes her in a London. And that to be on these start lines for eight o'clock the next morning. And his time was just amazing. One it. It was amazing to do it again. We've run it together. That first year, I think I did, we started together.

16:32Didn't we with Angelica? And I haven't done it for a few years. I didn't think I was going to be able to do another long distance run because I sort of had some chronic back injuries. And listen to an expert that said, look, you can run long distance, but that's probably going to cause you more problems down the line. And I've sort of gone about my training over the last ten years since then. That was 2016 to sort of support my back to work to be able to carry on doing what I can with my boys as they've got older. And then the opportunity came up to do it this year and I spoke to a few specialists and they all said, look, with the right help and the right support and the right structure in your training, we think you could get there looking at your back. You've obviously worked hard at sort of supporting your core and all those sorts of things. And then genuinely turned up on the start line. I was really excited about it, but I was not convinced that when I was going to do it in the time that it did it in certainly, but also that I would get round because my back, I thought, could fail me at some point. It was an exciting moment to get to the start line having done the training.

17:32The first time I've properly prepared as well, which is a big difference from previously. Well, you were approached through all the training and you were sharing it online as well. You were doing it properly and I think that does make a difference. I mean, it really does. But you did that. You've been doing high rocks. Yes. And then, I mean, for someone who is really wary about doing the wrong thing, you've been doing those daft, tough mothers. That was really stupid. 24 hours. And I think anybody that's done any sort of obstacle race, which is going to be into the Olympics, which is, you know, that's how much that's lit up, a bit like Ninja Warrior essentially. But these are the sort of five mile course all through the hours. It was sharing it with my God's sons and my son, Sam, you know, running at four o'clock in the morning and the sun starting to come up. We were at Beaver Castle, up in Grantham, and the sun's coming up. And I was just thinking, this is ridiculous. I was running with Sam, who's now 21, thinking, how lucky am I? That I could persuade him to do this. Because I've always wanted to do those sorts of things. And no one ever wanted to do them with me. And then we were able to do it. And it was, I mean, that was mentally so draining, physically and mentally draining.

18:35But to complete that and the sense of achievement that both Sam and Finn and Ben and my God's sons, who did it with me this year, jacked it with me the year before my other son, was so special. It was an extraordinary feeling. Fortunately, we got a wedding next year on the date. So we definitely can't do it next year, which was the most exciting thing. But what an amazing thing to do. And I know, I mean, obviously you light your obstacle courses having both done Ninja Warrior. I did do Ninja Warrior. I did Ninja Warrior. I never... This is my big call. You didn't do it. No, I had a bad dodgy back and the ee scooted through it. Did you get all the way to the end? No, hang on a minute. Can I just say, when I came to do it, they didn't let you practice. No, I don't know. I didn't practice. Really? No, I didn't. Did you do it in front of all the crates? No. Well, we did it in front of the crates. So you did do it in front of the crates. That is terrifying. It will terrify. Your heart beat. Yeah, because those crates, you know the first one where you jump from left.

19:38The step is... There are miles apart. I thought they were coming. It's like, they're so far. And as I jump, you jump from one field of the cracle. It's the... And then doing that just makes you worse. Anyway, and then I got to the top of that and then there was a rope. I've never done a rope fell in. So it didn't last very long. That was the best fun that show, wasn't it? All about... Well, the critton factor. So did you ever do the critton factor? No, this is rough. We did it because Ben was hosting it when they brought it back. Like, Gorn Burns was not doing it. Ben Shepherd was. So it was me, you, Andrew Castle, cheggers. Cheggers did it. Cheggers. Cheggers stopped for a fag after a re-opstickle. So the digger found the cissolcose. So your runners-may or may not read. The original cissolcose was linear. So you started one end, you went all the way through, get to the other. But you can't do that anymore. Not least the zip wire. Because the zip wire you have to be latched onto. And you can't go down to the ground in case you break your legs. Back then, they used to go into water.

20:39I don't know if you remember the original cissolcose. So they had... So what they did, we went up a hill. We went up a hill. It was really brutal. Anyway, we started running up this hill. Cheggers ducked into the hedge. Started having to cigarette. Me, Jenny and Andrew racing up stuff, who came racing back down. Cheggers sticks out of cigarette. And then joyous again. It was so funny. And there was an ice. There was like an ice pond. Ice bath. Yeah. You had to jump in the water. It was brutal. Do you know at the end of that, they had St. John's ambulance there. I couldn't breathe. My heart rate was going nuts. I don't know why I had to go in and sit in St. John's ambulance and be calm down. I'm not sure. He missed Cheggers blessing. That was really special. He was so gameful. I mean, all of you were gameful. You and Andrew. I think Andrew was furious though, because he's, again, an expression sportsman, very, very competitive. And Cheggers cheated. And Cheggers cheated. But it was a joy. I mean, the thing is, it's nice to teek on a challenge. And I suppose that's what's really nice about doing this as well. How are you feeling about Sunday? Oh, great. Looking forward to it. You know,

21:39to have the opportunity to do it. After I thought this was the thing of the past. It's been great for me. And that's what everybody must remember. When you think you can't do anything anymore, give it a go. You know, try. You never know what you can achieve until you do it. Yeah. And also the joy that you can get from doing something for pushing yourself and trying a challenge. It gives you something to focus on and something to achieve. Absolutely. I thought that it was all over my TV career. And not being able to talk quickly anymore. You have these, I've never been a big one for mental health.

22:39And all that. So I thought, what can be so bad that you can't get it over, can't get over it. And then it happens to you. And then you realize what people have been going through. So I'm like, polter, tone, gamekeeper, these days. And I say to everybody, you know, it'll come. And you know, give it time. You never know what can happen. But don't be negative. Speak to someone. Speak to professional people. Get help. Family are the best people in the world to speak to. They'll help you as much as they can. If that don't help you, then go further. I feel and suddenly something will click. And you can be on the mend.

23:39Absolutely here, here. And I love the fact that you two do so much together now as well. It's really nice. He's my carer. I feel a little bit disappointed in one thing. Because he's got this new brand. And he hasn't asked you to get involved with skincare. How would you feel about that? He's dumped you for your own. No, he doesn't want to see my foreskin. It's never not funny. The good news is I don't need you because you can have something mine and Joel. I just like to see for the record. This is what the brand is called. We launched your skin care brand called For Skin by Joel. Oh, yeah, just stress the skin. For skin by Joel and Ben. But I think I didn't I send you some. He has been trying it for a while. He's not got a good peer to regime as well. Look at him. How old you think he is? Well, actually, do you know what?

24:39What I couldn't believe is I was curious. I can't believe you're age. Christmas is a Christmas day birthday. Christmas come on. The worst day in the world to have a birth. Do you want to get one present? Well, everybody gets a present on your birthday. Everybody. Let's see. Right. The you have to get other people present. So your birthday as well. Exactly. But next year, next year is a biggie for you. Oh, he doesn't talk about it, Jen. He doesn't talk about it. Oh, I'm not that old. He doesn't talk about it. I think two years time. Well, two years. And it's in the air. So don't do birthday's time. I think turning 50's, all right? It will be all right. It's really funny. Like genuinely. But regardless, you can't, I think Camille has always had this young spirit. He's had this really, really incredibly young spirit. And lived his life to the full, been so curious and excited about trying new things. Never said, I mean, notoriously, he never said no to anything.

25:41I mean, he'd sell whatever you ask him to sell. He'd do whatever you ask him to do. And I think the, you know, he's one of my inspirations just in terms of how he is embracing life and life's opportunities and the really bad stuff that happens and comes about that you can't necessarily control. And as dark as it got for Camille when you were first diagnosed and you kept it secret for a very long time. And there was lots of speculation about what was wrong. And then eventually you were able to, you were confident enough to talk about it. We did the documentary, the difference that that made to people. And that's carried on over the last few years with his, how he's built and grown his confidence about who he is and how he is now. I just think that, you know, there's something really timeless about that that never ever changes. And he does have beautiful skin. And we will be starting him up as an ambassador for that genre of gentleman who reaching a certain age need more help. I certainly do. But I remember when I was young, my dad was always old.

26:45You always thought of your dad. And so when he got into his sixties, he was an old man. Hopefully my grandkids don't look at me or my kids in the same way as I looked at my dog. I think times of change. You're doing stuff. I don't know if your dad at your age was running half marathon. Absolutely. He'd walked to the pub and back to my house. That was the extent of his exercise. I think I'm right in saying this. I'm amazing. You can get someone's check this. But I think the cast of Sex and the City are older than the cast of the Golden Girls when the Golden Girls was first filmed. Oh really? And we all think about the Golden Girls as being the Golden Generation. And yet the girls from Sex and the City who were sexy cool girls that were going around New York having an amazing time. They were older than there. Wow, that's how big... That's it. That's it. But that's how much change.

27:45That's how much that has changed. Just our perception of age. But it's like when you watch Cormolo and isn't it? Yeah. Look at the parents. They're well old. And you're like, oh no, I'm well old. Yes, well old. It's really quite scary. But I think, yeah, I think everything's changed. I think the older you are, most doesn't mean that there's a barrier to what you can do. No. On that point, Jen, we did a swim in the summer. We did a charity swim around. We were down in Devon on holiday. And there was this brilliant, the Chestnut Peer, which is for men's mental health down in the Southwest. And we swam around Burr Island, which is where Jenny... Oh, my Jenny. Where me and Annie got married. And you almost let something off the mat, yeah. I tried, Cammy. You weren't interested. No, I wasn't interested. She wasn't interested. I missed that boat. James Grechter. And we swam around Burr Island. And I've completely forgot what I was going to say. What were we talking about? I haven't asked for you. You were just about to reveal to everyone how we got married first.

28:48We did. No, you were doing this charity. Then we were talking about age as new barrier. Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry, that's right. And I was swimming around the island, which was incredible. It was a beautiful day. And it's about a mile all the way around. It was amazing. But what was really inspiring was the older people that were swimming. We were in wet suits and... These older people were swimming in their swimming costumes. And there was this woman who was much older than me and she was swimming. And I was all over the show swimming back and forth. And she was just gliding through the water. No problem whatsoever. And it was so awesome to see them taking on this swim. I'm sure many of them do it quite a lot of the time. And the ages of the people and the brilliant thing about swimming particularly is it's non-white bearing. So, you know, it's great if you've got bad hips or joints or whatever and feet. But it was so awesome to see the ages of the people taking on a challenge like that. Obviously for a great cause. Like we're doing this for prostate cancer. Then, you know, being able to run or swim for a cause sort of inspires you to think, you know, there's people that are going to benefit from the fact that we're going to do this. You can put ourselves through a little bit of pain for the sake of hopefully making a bit of difference.

29:50But I just watched this woman sort of swim so beautifully into thinking, you know. What are you laughing cause? And I'm just like that. Is she? She's like that. So I said, I said, you're like a boy. Did she like that? Why? You were trying to be generous, weren't you? Very elegant and pleased. Maybe a dogfiner? Yes. A whale. Like a beautiful... A pink doggy or something like that? No, a whale. How is she part of it for so many years? How, like, genuinely? Shit, that every time Cammy's wife is the most patient woman in the world, I cannot. Did you really say that? And you meant it. Nice, didn't you? You're going to go free, Willie. Poor old Adelaide. She's a wonderful swimmer and not like a whale. It's like, you know, a beautiful, fast swimming thing. The lady that you were talking about that you saw swimming around Burr Island,

30:53and she probably does that regularly. So people like that, we know a wheel go, oh, we're going to go cold water swimming. Yes. They're like, just swimming, we do it all the time. It's lovely. So I thought, I quite like the fact that she's like, you know, a beautiful swimming thing. But at the same time, we think we're being really brave, getting in the scene. People have done it for years. They just don't know. Yeah. Because she was not in a wetsuit. She was like that. Wow. What are you wearing wetsuit? Don't feel the cold. When you were doing football, what was your fitness regime like? When I was swimming with Lumen Kary, he made us run. Run and run. On a Thursday before a sad day game, we'd eat droppers off on the coast. About three miles away from the ground. And we had to run back. And it won't just a jog. It was a race.

31:54And wow. So the first time we did it, we played Austin Villa away. And we were legless. Totally legless. But by the end of it, we were overrunning teams. Absolutely. So I carried that on when I left swimming. So I made sure I was 100% fit. Every single way. And lots of running as well. There wasn't it back then. Yeah. And you particularly did a lot of running. Did the footballers today do a three mile run like that? Can I imagine? No, they run on the pit. So they will do box to box or touch line to touch line. Because no one runs. Three miles without stopping in a row. They'll do short spins. And they'll jog for a bit. They'll short spin. So they've re-created much better training now. They re-create the effects of the game. So they've really fit for the match. Cammy was fit for life.

32:54Oh, well, I'm looking forward to hearing how it goes on Sunday. We're going to run like whales. Yeah. Don't win today. They'll get back to it. I can no one will hear. It's not the same. It's just between us. That's it. Oh, we've proven why. This is my life, by the way. This is my broad casting life in Cammy, Jim. And we started working together in 2010. I mean, it's been the best thing. I've learnt so much from him. But that thing where you... I mean, fortunately, this is pre-recorded. But that thing where you're doing live television. And we've hosted live television. And we have to deal with meatloaf in the studio. And John Clive Van Dam. Oh, my God. Which we will never forget. And trying to deal with it. Two lose. And you're trying to deal with either of those two was like a walk in the park compared to what Cammy might say at any one point. We had John Clive Van Dam, arm wrestle, Ben, and me live television. He kept trying a karate shot. Like, he kept... He kept... He kept saying that they kept going. I think we should try to... And I can't be sitting there. And he kept saying that they kept going. And Jenny was trying to... And I can't be sitting there. I could have killed you.

33:54I could have killed you. What? And I was like, okay. On live television. I could have killed you. I could have killed you. She remember meatloaf when it leave the studio. Yeah, and we had these jelly series. And he picked one up and he tried to eat it. And he didn't like it, so he goes, give him your hand. Live television. And goped to... I like to think you're holding a jelly snake. And he goped to it. And yeah, then he wouldn't leave the studio. And yeah, then he wouldn't leave the studio. It was like, thanks meatloaf coming. It's between thank you. He said, well, we go and get on the... I'm not going. And what you can't... Had you throw... You know, meatloaf refused... It was... He's a big fella, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There were some fun stories, but it sounds like you can... You get your fear of sharing that. Yeah, he was meatloaf, meat van dam, and we'll roll into one. We are. He always knew out... If a guest said anything inappropriate... I would just laugh. And he would deal with it like a pro, you know. Stop the audience, you know.

34:56Look at the... Sunday morning, man. Sunday morning. This is what people wanted. They're lying in bed hungover. One of what's you guys having a laugh about the horror? Me struggle while he laughs at me. Yeah. It's like Sunday's going to be like that. I think that's all. I'll enjoy it. Now, listen, before you go, you have to do the Rumpord Quick Fire Rounds. I mean, it's quite quick. It's not that quick. Okay, first up, which trainers are you running? What's the name? Is it Asics? No. Soakini. I don't know. No, no, Brooks. Brooks. Yeah. Take to a full of them there. It's one of those... Brooks. Yeah. Through Prostate, Cancer, UK, even though we haven't got them yet. We've got anybody coming. We've done a lot of green flash in this. Okay, excellent stuff. What is your favourite time to get out there and do excise and go for a run? My absolute favourite time is first thing in the morning.

35:57Really, would it be actually early? Because you just feel so smug when you've got it done. Would you go before this morning or something? I have done in the past. When I was training for the marathon, I was getting up ridiculously early. Just because I wasn't going to fit it in with the rest of the day. It's the most satisfying thing. But, you know, it's the hardest thing in the world. Going out for a run full stop, we've talked about this loads. You put so many barriers in the way. So I would put the clothes by my trainers and get as much out of the way as possible. But getting up and getting it done is my most joyous thing. And then having the rest of the day to go and do other stuff. We love our grandkids. But the last 10 days we've been to Tenorief. And I just said to one, I can concentrate on gym one day and running the other day. And that has helped me so much. So any time of the day, and I don't mind the heat. Is it making a difference to you as well doing all this? Yeah, absolutely. I did my trial run for the great North Run on Saturday.

37:05I have this week and I sent Ben a message and said I'm going to get on the three hours. But now I've changed the goalposts to an hour and a half out. See by Saturdays, it's going to be one and a half. I'm going for a PB. But it's amazing the confidence that comes. And that's what Cammy's done. He set himself goals along the way, like everybody. I loved the podcast, a saw clip from the podcast. You had the guy that was the running trainer. And he was saying you can get very stuck just doing same ones. And it was so true. You can get stuck doing the same training, the same runs. And you lose your love for it and you lose your enjoyment of it. And obviously, Cammy got robbed from his chance of being able to do it. So you find it again and being able to do it is great. But I definitely mix things up. So I'll mix up the time of day. When I get myself up to do it, training first thing is amazing. But training any time of the day and mixing up the training. That's why I try and do so many different things. Because I don't want to become stale. I don't want to sort of go, you know, I just can't face it today. I want to feel like, I know it's going to be tough.

38:06I'm not going to have to make myself put my shoes. I'm going to provoke. I'm going to make loads of fuss about it. But once I've gone, whether it's a short run, a long run, a tempo run, a pace run, with a bit of strength stuff in, you just feel great. Isn't it funny how much you can delay it and you can procrastinate? And actually, once you've done it, you're like, I should have done this. Absolutely. Absolutely. So much easier. The thing is, you don't sleep. So how we find time to, if he has a guest on this morning, he'll have read the book the day before, the next guest, he'll have watched their program on TV. I don't know how you do it and family life and working out. One of the things I think is, as Jenny will know, is if they've got a book, get the auto book and run, listening to it. So make two things happen at the same time. Train, with the TV show on while I'm doing some training. And just be as if it's got to be efficient. That's all it is.

39:06It's true if you've got a guest on, you can research and by listening to podcasts they've been on before. Absolutely. That's great. It's quite a good thing to do. I'm seeing. That's like Cheg is stuffing up for a fact. We took it out. The thing is, my brain won't accept two things at the same time. So I can't run and listen to a podcast. Can you know it? Distract me. That's interesting. What about music? Distract you as well. Oh yeah. I wouldn't know what is traffic around and two in me and people get out the way. How are you going to cope with people cheering and screaming your name on Sunday? That's going to be awesome. We're going to tie him. Jack's gone one arm. I'm on the other arm. We're just going to be dragging him. Just keep going. Just keep going straight. And favourite time of year to get out there. I mean it's going to be quite going to be perfect conditions on Sunday apparently. That's a good decision. Yeah. We had a look earlier. We were in the pub. We had a look. Do you prefer like 10 reef sunshine?

40:06If it's cool no bonner. As long as I get around. I will get around. I know that. But you do love the heat though. I agree with you. Yeah. And worries about me all the time in the heat. And I say, it would be a great way to go. Maybe not dwell on that. Hopefully you won't. It won't be too hot comes on though. That's definitely not the new story that we want. I definitely prefer when it's warm because I love it. I love being able to run and feel the heat. But there's nothing more satisfying than going out on a freezing cold day when it's so cold. You run yourself hot and you come back and you walk in and you're really sweaty and you're steaming. That's something very satisfying about that. Do you get runners high? When do you get it? I remember listening to one of your podcasts where you were talking about actually how long it takes you to enjoy a run. And it's taken me longer. I have to stick at it. But my runners high usually gets to the point where I feel like I'm turning around on my way home.

41:07And then I feel like, right, I've reached the furthest point. Now I know every step's coming bringing me back. That's when my runners high. So halfway through the run is usually when I start feeling really accelerated by it. For me now in some bonus every time I do a run and I come back and there isn't an injury. I carve myself out. And you found your way home again? Yeah, all my way home again. You haven't calmed in. What these watches can do. My last question to you both is why is it that you love running? What is it about running? It's the simplicity of it. When I was told that I couldn't, I was going to stop doing long distance running. I did a few short distance as you know. I do park runs on a 10k. But there is a real simplicity to running that you don't get with cycling. You don't get with weights. And I love all those things. But whacking your trainers on, going out the door and getting going. And it's all there for you.

42:08And that and you can't beat that. Wherever you are in the world, you can put your trainers on. You go and explore a place on a run. And I think that's the magic of it for me. Absolutely. Well, when the height of my brain injury, I struggle to walk. So you can imagine being in a position like I am now to be able to do a half marathon. The great north run is just so special. It's going to be an amazing day. I hope you love it. I hope you both love it. Oh, well. There are quite a few hills in the Great Northland. I should say this is a dual carriageway up hill. It's hard for me to go down hills rather than I know I can't fall. There's a big downhill as well, isn't it? I can't fall over going uphill, but I can fall with my body. It's quite steep downhill, baby. It's a little steep downhill towards the end. It's just before that long mile to the finish line.

43:10Into the wind. Into the wind. But yeah, enjoy the course. In fact, for anyone listening, so could people be listening to this episode as they're doing the Great North Run? So what tip have you got for anyone running Great North Run right now? And they're coming to a hill. How do you get to the top without stopping? Come on. I'd say the tip we offer is no matter where you are on the race, no matter how steep the hill, we will be struggling more than you. So just take comfort in the fact that we're going to be struggling to get up that hill as well, aren't we? Yeah, absolutely. My fear is going down the hill, so I don't mind going up the hill. I know I won't fall over, but Ben Shabbin and my son Jack will help me getting down the hill. So don't be afraid to us Ben or Jack. Help me. We're going to have a handspil, Jen. We're going to have a whole load of people there. And listening, good luck on Sunday.

44:10You will love it. It's going to be such a special day. It's the 45th year as well. So it's going to be really special. And I hope I just hope you have a great time. Good luck getting that, that 2.5. Yeah, great. But it doesn't matter. I mean, you've put it out there now. I mean, that was brave, by the way. I don't know why you did that. I was quite happy saying that. I've never known to that over anyone. I need a golden and not in my goal. Yeah. I won the World Cup if I get to hours 30. I think we finish. We've won the World Cup. No. You're golden boot if we get 2 hours 30. If we finish, we've won the World Cup. Can we just establish that now, please? I'm not having you saying, oh, we should've done it faster. Yeah, but Thomas too, Colt will spoil it. You'll change the formation. Ask me that. He'll put a deep end right on it. Sorry, Jack. Good luck. It's going to be great. Thank you. Love you to see you. And you too. This has been a global production.