Bad Guys (SG1)

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You're listening to the Secrets of Stargate Episode 252.

Denny the West Jackson has identified the seventh symbol.

All right, here we go.

We are about to try to make a connection.

What we've got to do is bust out of here, come and do your the ship and fly on home.

Pete, say that a lot.

I know that this could be dangerous, but this is our job, right?

It's what we signed on to do.

It was never if it going home, it's if it's getting us to love it going.

Hi, I'm Lisa Jones and you're listening to the Secrets of Stargate, where we talk about

hidden meanings and deeper layers found in the Stargate movies, TV series, and more.

Joining me today are Jeff Hacker.

Hey, Jeff.

Hey, Lisa.

And Victor Lambs.

Hey, Victor.

Hello, Lisa.

Hi.

Hi.

Today, we are discussing bad guys, episode 16 of season 10 of Stargate S.G.1.

In bad guys, the S.G.1 team discovers that sometimes the galaxy's biggest problem

isn't the gold or eye or ancient super weapons.

It's really bad timing with Carter off at the Pentagon,

explaining the fallout from the alternate reality fiasco in the road not taken.

Mitchell Jackson-Tilkenvalla had off-world chasing a clue about the mysterious

clava-thasara infinitus treasure from the episode memento mori.

Instead of treasure, they walk straight into a museum during a party with dozens of well-just

locals staring at them like they've just crashed the worst gala in the galaxy.

Realizing this Stargate is publicly displayed as an exhibit and the DHT is just a decorative replica.

The team decides the safest move is a head-backed earth,

and return later with a melt to make proper first contact.

Unfortunately, their plan collapses faster than a jaffa-staff weapon prop when security

mistakes them for radical rebels. A shootout erupts, the museum slams in a lockdown mode,

and suddenly S.G.1, definitely not kidnappers, are accidentally holding a room full of hostages.

Trying to keep things calm until their misschicken raises alarms back home,

Daniel attempts negotiations, even suggesting medics for an injured guard.

Demetics arrive and immediately try to stun him, because of course,

after a little misunderstanding, negotiations shift to a new commander outside.

Quartus. Inside the museum, things get stranger when one hostage,

researcher Cicero realizes this incident might prove his controversial theory that the

Stargate is a portal to other worlds. Thrilled have an accidental confirmation,

he enthusiastically coaches S.G.1 on how to act like proper rebels.

Meanwhile, a would-be hero security guard named James.

Secretly tries to sabotage the team from within. While exploring the exhibits, Mitchell and

Valla discovers something far less museum-appropriate. A real gold artifact, specifically a Nakwara bomb,

when James' meddling complicates matters further, Valla activates the bomb's timer,

only to discover it can't be shut off. Naturally, as chaos escalates, Cicero escapes and reveals S.G.1's

true identity to the authorities. Special forces storm the museum, capture the team,

and things look grim, until Mitchell appeals directly to Quartus,

explaining that Earth's people are explorers, not conquerors.

After a tense moment, Quartus reluctantly allows S.G.1 to return home.

The official story. Four rebels killed, Hossage's save, nothing to see here.

The Stargate is buried, literally, and the government quietly pretends the whole interglash portal

thing never happened. Back at Stargate Command, attempts to doll the planet fail as General

Landry dryly concludes that the world has chosen the simplest strategy for dealing with the

universe. Stick its head firmly in the sand, which given S.G.1's day might not be the worst idea.

What do you think of this episode jump?

Yeah, I thought this one was, while not the best episode, I thought it was very fun. It felt

very season one or early seasons, I should say, of S.G.1 of the team stumbling into a problem

that they are wildly unsuited for. As you were giving your summaries, it's very much,

I don't know if they were going for this, and I think Victor said we don't have the

commentary to confirm, but I think it was maybe some kind of allegory to a real world scenario

where the world doesn't know the Stargate exists within the show and maybe within our real life,

depending on what you believe on that. But overall, I really enjoyed it. I like Joshua

Melina who plays Cicero. He's been in a ton of stuff. I'm a big West Wing fan, and I had forgotten

he was in the show, so I'm glad we got to see him as the Daniel Jackson analog.

Yeah. The guard, I think he was a second-class guard or whatever his rank is,

was just kind of your bumbling hero that stumbles. It's kind of everybody's kind of stumbling

into things here and there. Daniel, as a hostage taker, it was very funny when he was said,

you know, y'all are hostages, act like it, and the two women are arguing about that man.

So, I mean, again, it's not the best episode, but I still had a lot of fun watching it. I mean,

that's kind of a standalone story and adventure. I think it worked pretty well. I just wish,

again, that it was under, you know, if it had been season nine or something, you know,

I just toward the end of the show, maybe it's like they're just kind of like we have some episodes

we need to get out there, so let's just do one so. But yeah, overall, I did enjoy it.

All right. How about you, Victor? Yeah. I think I enjoyed this episode a lot more than Michael

Shanks did based on his comments online. And to be fair to him, when you do see him talking to

the hostages, as you mentioned, Jeff, he is way over the top and apparently there were scenes cut out

that kind of escalated to that point, but I thought it was funny. And that's kind of my review of

the episode, as well as I thought it was funny. They didn't try to make it a mix of humor and

action. It's pretty much just humor. It's kind of a cool idea. It's like what if it was die hard,

but from the perspective of the hostage takers slash terrorist slash thieves. So I kind of like that.

I did think they spent way too much time with the ancillary characters like

Cheyenne gets way too much screen time time when he's just like clowning around in the hallways

or talking to Ron Canada, how to use the hostage negotiator. That's my very poor

impression. But yeah, no, overall, I liked it. I really liked the teaser. Well, before we get

the teaser, we find out why Sam isn't with them. And it's because he's, she's briefing President

Hayes on, you know, what happens with the disclosure type situation. So Jeff, to your point,

that kind of is a hint to this episode. And, you know, General Landry says, I think he's just

trying to come to terms with the world where he isn't president because, of course, General Landry was

president in that world. But what I really liked is the initial scenes in the museum exhibit

where you don't know where they are. They try to activate a DHD. They knock it over in its

replica. And you're thinking, Oh, wow, yeah. How has that never happened before? Right? The

mouth sees that there's a DHD, but it doesn't really test it. So, but it turns out, even though

they don't carry an acquit of generators with them, they do have a plan to delegate back home.

And then I like when they leave that room and you see that it's like a just a normal museum.

I thought that was really cool because we're so used to seeing these, you know, weird

or, you know, sets on the other side of the Stargate. And here it is. It's just like an everyday type

thing. So I like that as well. Overall, I like the episode. They do seem like they're marking time,

you know, until the end of the 10th season a little bit. But it was very enjoyable.

Again, no commentary for this episode. Peter Delewies directed it. Martin Garrow wrote it

based on an idea Ben Browder had for a story. I think Peter Delewies, by this point,

had been banned from doing commentaries because of the commentaries he did do in season seven

and eight with Gary Jones, which weren't so much comedies. It's just him and Gary Jones hanging

out and making an appropriate joke. So if you like that, just pick up some of the older DVDs. But

and then Martin Garrow, I think was probably too busy doing Atlantis or commentaries for Atlantis.

So that's my guess in terms of why there isn't a commentary for this. So only watch this one once.

So you guys will have to fill in some of the gaps for me if I forget what happened.

It is kind of surprising that it's a Peter Delewies episode and nothing really blows up massively.

Lots of weapons fire, though. We get those cool scorpion scorpion, you know,

mini machine guns that the guards have. I was cool to see those.

And I didn't check to see if there was a fern or a tree in the museum that got shot because

Peter Delewies likes to blow up trees as we saw last episode. But we don't get that. I don't know

if we get that here or not. Maybe we maybe did. We had the threat of the explosion at least with

the with the back with a bomb. That's true. That's true. I'm with y'all. I liked it. It was fun.

It passed time. I chuckled. I did think Daniel Jackson's character was a little out of character.

He just, you know, he should be able to handle this a little better. He seemed like he,

this was first season, Daniel Jackson, you know, and he's like, what do I do? You know, and

and knowing that the evidently they cut 22 minutes out of it after they filmed it. And

I think Michael Shank said that made his character's reactions look a little over the top

because we missed big things that happened to make him freak out. It was fun. I mean, it was,

it was funny and it was fun. It just, if you really want to analyze it because we are on a

target podcast, it was, it was a little, you know, he was a little over the top. But

this was the episode they were filming when they found out that they'd been canceled

that they weren't getting season 11. So I mean, it has nothing to do with, you know,

they'd already play in the episode, but it's just this is what they were doing when they found out.

So I thought that was interesting. But, you know, Valla played it for Lives, Cameron Mitchell,

Daniel, Daniel Jackson was like I said over the top, but Teal can't some of the best lines,

though, like where he walks by and he's like, die hard. Yeah.

So it was kind of fun. It was, it was a, it was a good episode. What was your first reaction

to the reveal that it was like the ancient treasure location was actually a museum.

If you remembered it from originally. Yeah. So there's an episode of I think either David Tennant,

Doctor Who, where he has to go through a museum and it's like all the heads of his enemies

and really cool stuff in there, you know, from the show. I thought it'd been cool to, you know,

that we obviously do get a lot of our favorite props kind of recycled here as well. I didn't

go through and try to identify them all, but it's a really cool idea. I'm glad they didn't

get fine, the clavicle ed nauseam or whatever it's called, whatever the treasure is called.

We spent a lot of time on the previously for this episode setting it up and then it doesn't pay off

at all. They don't mention it besides that little bit in the beginning, right? Yeah. Just to get

them to the, get them to the planet. I guess you have to give them a reason for why they're not

like trying to decide if the or I still still live or not. I mean, kind of important,

but sometimes I guess, or maybe they just ran out of shipments of corn to blow up.

Yeah, and I don't know if we ever get mentioned to that treasure again. I don't know if that

plays into the penultimate episode or if it's just, if it's just they're done with it and it

seems kind of odd that they would have, maybe they were just like, we, we had this thing we talked

about. Let's just do an episode on it and, you know, to like you said, mark time and finish this,

you know, finish out the episodes we have because, yeah, it's the clavist, the sara infinatus is the name.

And so I was trying to, trying to look up and see if it comes back, but not a clavicle is not

the same as I said. Sorry, that was very, very close, very close. Yeah. And then they get mistaken

for rebels, which they don't know what rebels are. But if you think about it, they come running

out of their little room into the main room, carrying their weapons. Yeah. So it does, I mean,

you could understand why the locals are freaking out and that woman just kept screaming.

Yeah. It's interesting that like hostage scenarios play out very similarly on this alien planet

to the way they do in the United States, right? In English. Well, in English, yeah. Although I did

read one of the actors who came in, auditioned with the French accent and a lot who was like,

why did why is there a French accent on this planet? Maybe, I mean, it's obviously, I think it's

with names like Cicero and like Praitorium and stuff. I think it's supposed to be like a new Roman

type city or something. But yeah, there's hostage negotiators. They follow basically the same

playbook that you see in any other TV show where there's hostage situations. And

yeah, and they don't ever, we don't ever even hear what goal this planet belonged to because

it obviously was because they had a lot of the gold artifacts and stuff. But that would have been

interesting to know if like, oh, this was, you know, Cronus's planet or something. Yeah. That has

that because I think he, I think he is the main one that had like a Roman influence of his,

of his or the main Roman kind of named Gourmet. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, it was a horse and serpent guards.

They had both. And that's remember that was unusual. And I think who was it that had both?

Was it Hathor or was it? I don't know. Remember they said like they're cobbling together

from all over the galaxy. And I don't remember who it was. But they did have.

Or something. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. So I just love that they use all these artifacts that

made me want to go back and look a little like look a little closer. What else was in there that we'd

seen before cleaned out the proper room. Yeah. Why not? See if there was something that shouldn't

have been in there. You don't or I something. I don't know or something. It wasn't gold.

I don't know. They, um, I did read that, um, Hathor wasn't there. I mean, I'm sorry. I mean,

it's happening. Wasn't there because this was an exchange for her being in McCain, Mrs. Miller

on Atlantis. So she had to miss, I guess that's the way, you know, the contracts work. So she had

to miss an episode of SG one. So she wasn't in this one at all. They didn't work fine. I mean,

yeah. Especially now that we've established Valla as she understands computers and technology

and she can hook up all the things. So we didn't really need Carter to say, Hey, why don't we just

get an equity generator and spin the wheel like we have in so many other situations that we've

been trapped with at a DHD. Yeah. There were some references. And I'm just going to say the

controversial thing and say, I think SG one works best with a four person team. But how's that

controversial? Yeah. But there was, there were some references that I didn't catch. Oh, yeah,

there it is. I thought it was, okay, proposed solutions for Dianne and the gay one of the suggestions

is seaweed. I think Mitchell said, Daniel says don't go there. And that was the line to reference

to prisoners where Linnea, I think, was using the seaweed for all of her various medicines and

power sources and stuff. So that was that that was a very deep cut. Yeah. And then the

sorrow, they make him like the Daniel Jackson, as my kids would say off brand Daniel Jackson. Yeah.

So, you know, on the planet, and I kind of wish that it had a bigger payoff.

Because they, they say something, but I don't know, I think I get me to more of a moment.

Yeah. Like Valle says, like, oh, he's like your counterpart on this planet or something.

Yeah. He reminds me of there was that one episode. I think it was like five or six or something

where. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Or I think it was six because I think it was Jonas Quinn where they went

to that one planet where the Stargate was, there was the religious factions who like some didn't

believe the Stargate was, you know, like there was some religious faction thing and you had the guy

who defected to Earth because he was part of the religion that believed in the Stargate. And

like, kind of was sent off to be Daniel's like research assistant or some or Jonas's that we

never see again. So it kind of reminded me of that, but you know, obviously a little bit different.

So they've gone, they've done that a few times, but it would have been interesting if they had,

yeah, like you said, done more with that or had him be like one of these religious extremists

that we, you know, hear about because I think it's when I was reading Gateworld or one of the

wikis kind of implies that the extremists believe in, you know, Stargate travel and that there's

other worlds and stuff like that. So, um, I saw that too. Yeah. Yeah. So that they could have done

something there where he was like, you know, secretly part of that faction or something, but

kind of just kind of drops in. He's going to be shovel off to, you know, who knows where to

work in obscurity, I guess. If you think about it, they didn't really explain the other world

very much. They just kind of left it all. They don't like these other people who are the rebels

and they want to keep the Stargate quiet. And I mean, that's really, they have political prisoners,

but our friends and, you know, there's really nothing else we knew, but I don't know if we needed,

I mean, they just kept it kind of light in that way. It didn't create a whole world for them.

But we still spend a lot of time with Jam. You know, watching him like, why is this guy on the

screen so much? And you can tell it's a Martin Garrow episode because it's written very much in his,

you know, funny style, a lot of the dialogue or quips, you know, Martin Garrow quips and stuff.

But you know, no, no, it's just like, I thought they must have thought this guy was hilarious

when they were like filming it and stuff. But that's the part like where the episode dragged is

every is when he's on screen and just, you know, chewing up screen time where we could be, you know,

dealing with cool bombs or hostages or, you know, anyone on SG1 except for Jam.

Yeah. Well, yeah, you don't want anyone to be, you don't want that character to be

competent though, because they asked you one would have to like them and hurt them and stuff.

And sort of just he's trying to like trick him with like the bomb and or, you know, tying him up

or whatever. But you can tell it's a comedy because no one dies.

That's true. No, a couple episodes ago, everyone died and this one no one died. Yeah.

Bounty, I think it was every like everybody was that was yeah, that was our, we just didn't know

whether it was good comedy episode and like innocent civilians are just getting like killed,

brutally murdered in the parking lot of their high school reunion.

But, um, but this yeah, you can tell it's a lot later than that. And I think it works better

when they just lean into comedy and just, you know, do a funny type episode. Yeah.

Well, still, we'll see if I still feel that way in a couple episodes, but since you mentioned,

you mentioned bounty. So, um, Malatzi, just Malatzi said, uh, this episode was not a favorite of his.

He did not enjoy it. But bounty was one of his favorites.

I'll have to go back and see who wrote bounty. No, I don't think it was just a Malatzi, but

and I have to go back and I should have gone back, but I have it. Yeah, Damian,

Damian Kendler went back and wrote bounty. So, yeah. If there was anything he said about why he

liked that episode so much, I don't, I don't know. Okay. I have a, a lightning question for y'all.

Ready? Yeah. If X, S T1 accidentally took you hostage,

which team member would you want guarding you? Oh, wow, lightning rod question.

Let's go. I would, I would say Daniel, for the conversation and Sam, for everything else.

I don't know. I'd probably say Mitchell. I feel like he'd be, he'd be the most kind of fun to hang out.

Well, like, Val would be, would be fun to you, but she would be, you know, she's all kind of

kooky. So, and that would be weird coming from your hostage. But Sam or, but Mitchell, you know,

I feel like I would trust him not to, you know, if he tells me nobody's going to get hurt,

nobody's going to get hurt. So, you just want some grandma stories. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Tell me

about your grandma. I would say, um, Daniel Jackson, not of course, because he's not my favorite,

but then I would have lots of good stories to come home and tell my, uh, my daughter who thinks he's

the, uh, bees knees. So she would like that. Um, oh, we're talking about like real life with the

character. Okay. I was thinking like, well, maybe not. I was thinking if I was like one of those

hostages, like, not myself. And then do you think Cicero helped it or made it worse? Um,

I mean, he did help them get to where the bomb was. But yeah, with, I mean, he gave them very

credible demands that only made, um, you know, Marcellus or whatever's name was, think that,

you know, he was a, uh, is this name Marcellus? Dang it. I should be the negotiator.

The court is, yeah, court is. Yes. Yes. I'm court is. I'm court is. Yeah. No, he, um, he, uh,

he only made things worse. And, you know, if this had been in the other show or any other

episode of S.U. Wanted, would have ended with like, this trucking shot to complete the cover-up

or in real life, you know, he would have had a car accident or a heart attack a couple weeks later.

But yeah, so it's, yeah, I don't, I mean, make things worse. He advanced the plot. And that's

what this episode needed. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I don't know if they would have found, I mean,

I guess if they, because what do they have six hours before the check-ins, they had,

would have had to figure out what to do for six hours. And, you know, who knows what would have

happened. So I guess if he, yeah, if he hadn't shown them where the knack would have bombed,

or, you know, where the other artifacts were, because they were looking initially for

a power source or something, they weren't necessarily looking for a bomb. Yeah.

They were able to find that and, and, and use that to delegate. So yeah, I think he probably,

I think he helped, but he probably didn't need to sneak off and go try to like,

plead his case to Quartus. And yeah, because like you said, that just made that aspect worse.

And luckily, the Mitchell was convincing to let them go. So, although he kind of had to vaguely

threaten them, like, if we don't go home, you're going to have problems. Well, I, I actually,

kind of vaguely implied. I like, yeah, I like that scene at the end because he's appealing to

Quartus, not Marcelus. He's appealing to Quartus as kind of, you know, a military man, a man of

some honor, right? You know, we came here in peace. We want to leave in peace, but we're not the,

we're peaceful people, but we're not the sort of people who take aggression, you know, lying down. So

so I did, I did like that scene because it was very realistic and you're not sure what's going

to happen. Obviously, SG1 goes home. They're not tried for acts of sedition on whatever world this is.

But so I did like the way that scene played out.

I've yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I like the scene too. I was just think like at least the way I

wrote it was Mitchell was kind of like having to put, you know, having to push it with that thread

a little bit like implying that if you don't let us go, more we're going to come or something. Yeah.

But, you know, it's like a reality of the situation, right? It's like, you know, you're a

military person, you know, how these things work, right? If we don't make it back, then, you know,

there'll be people that come looking for us. Yeah. But then they buried the gate anyway,

so they could have just yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know it's the plot. I

at first when they said we're just going to basically cover up nothing happened. Nobody knows

anything. And I thought, wow, that's kind of weird. And then it dawned on me. Well, that's,

I mean, that's what the earth does. Yeah. That's what happened in the 14 seasons. Yeah. Yeah.

That's what happened to upsets or one episode ago. Exactly. So I think it was kind of a nice reflection

back on, oh, yeah, we do that. So, and then, um, Landry makes a comment about they're putting

their head in the sand. And I thought, uh, didn't we try to do that in season one? Wasn't that? Yeah.

They're having the gate in the in the silo right covered with tarps or something. Yeah. And,

you know, that's probably, you know, Mitchell did say there are people a lot worse than us out there.

And so if I was in that situation, I'd be like, okay, we don't have a way to dial this thing,

so because our DHD is broken. Let's just bury it, right? Yeah.

Nothing good can come of this. Only only things can come out. We can't go through it. And,

you know, based on our first experience with things coming out, we probably don't want, you know,

other things coming out of the Stargate. So, you just coded Daniel Jackson. You realize that,

right? Nothing good can come of this. Barry, the gate, remember, he told them on avidos.

When I need Barry, the gate, nothing good can come through. And he's like, you did Daniel Jackson.

Oh, man, that was not intended, but maybe the Stargate is just so part of my subconscious now

that just comes out. You quote that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Stargate knowledge. I think probably the highlight of this episode for me is all the

goofing around with the bomb. First, we get a rather elaborate sequence of all trying to steal it

from the display case, and looking at the different sensors. And, of course, she's going through

her steps from how to get a bomb out of a glass display case. And then, of course,

metal shutters come down. And it becomes how to get a bomb out of a metal display case.

And then, as a bluff, she activates the bomb to, you know, to bluff jam, who, as Mitchell notes,

was probably not going to know if it was turned on or not, anyways, and she has no way of turning it off.

And we get to see the ghoul bomb prop that we haven't seen in many years, you know, with the

little rings of symbols that are kind of the countdown. So that was, that was kind of nice. And then,

so now, they're on a literal ticking clock to get it hooked up to the Stargate and to

complete the bomb's power supply by activating the Stargate or else everything will blow up.

Yeah. And I think, didn't she give them the, what the odds are of it blowing up anyway?

Like, if I hook it up, it could blow up if I do this, and then we could get the wormhole,

and then we all just the whole thing blows up. So, yeah. 70% it blows up 50% it depletes it and

activates the Stargate. And that's 120% because, you know, there's some overlap where it activates

the Stargate and blows up. But you remember that? Are you ever written down?

I remember it, but it's also on the, on the page quotes here too.

Okay. Just checking out like darn, that's good. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then if it had blown up,

it blowing up the gate would have made the explosion. Like, didn't that, like, if you blow up a gate,

it makes it so much worse than that in the game. Yeah. It would have devastated this world.

It is funny to me, because, you know, just to bring it back to Star Trek, as always,

they definitely don't follow the prime directive, like Star Trek, where you, you know,

you don't interfere with cultures that are, even though they interfere all the time with cultures

that aren't, you know, that are pre-warp or whatever. But here it's like, you know,

in Star Trek, it would be like, oh, we're stranded on this planet. We have to hide and,

you know, we can't let them know who we are when we can't, you know, we have to,

you know, kind of seize all tips to get home, because it's going to interfere or whatever.

Stargate, it's just like, yeah, we're a wandering theater troupe.

Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. And Stargate, they're just like, do whatever we need to do to get home,

even if it blows up the planet. Well, it wasn't there. I mean, Mitchell had the right thing. It's

like everybody fall back to the gate room. Let's get out of here. But then the party guests,

we're getting all spooky in the, in the exhibits and stuff. And, yeah. Well, I'm talking about like

when they're hooking up the bomb and stuff. Yeah. Well, it's funny, because in the very,

when they first got there and Paula keeps saying, let's go to the party. And Daniel, Daniel keeps

saying, like, no, this is a first contact situation. We have to do this, this, this. And I'm like,

since when, like, you have never, how many times have we talked about this? They never seemed

to have qualms about how they initiate first contact. Oops. We stumbled on your planet.

And you all just sing to the plants and where, you know, jumpsuits with zippers and nobody cares.

So it just seemed kind of weird actually wrote that down. I just, I forgot that it was there.

It says, is this the only time we've heard about their standard operating procedures around first

contact? Really? I can't remember. And probably it is in an episode where they say the words first

contact. But this is probably, I think the only time they make this big of a deal out of it.

And, but they did leave behind a mouth, which, you know, it's presumably not more

any advanced than the technology this planet already has. So they already had a knockout of bomb.

They just didn't know it. So what else do they have that they don't know it?

You never know. You think they would, like at this point, they would send, as she teams,

when the mouth goes through, they would come in with like a generator that has enough

charge to dial the gate once just so that they can, you know, and, you know, they could make it work

where it won't do anything without, but, you know, I know it's for the plot. So a bunch of car

batteries like 1969. How many times now have they had the dial? That's what was so funny to me. He's

like, oh darn, we're stuck. It's like, yeah. You not know how to manually dial? I mean,

haven't we just talked about this in another episode recently? Or was that Lantis? Because we

didn't know if they could manually dial. Yeah, they can because it doesn't spin. But, yeah, I

thought they were just bringing an aqua generators with them wherever they went up to, like,

stargates and stuff. Maybe that's in Carter's bag. Yeah, probably because they can really

computer with the dialing program now too. So yeah, you don't even, all you need, you just need

the power source and you're, you're good. They should have made a joke about Wolf Carter was here.

She would have, yeah, brought that with it to the 120% Daniels, like 100% chance we sort of

brought someone who knew what they were doing. Yeah, you know, type thing. Yeah. Yeah, she's the car.

They had, I mean, I guess two, I guess they didn't want to immediately shoot people, but they had

zots. They could have zotted the two. The couple initially and no one would have known.

Yeah, and I think the only person we do get sees added. I don't know if the guards get zatted. Is

the the only government official that's left that some, you know, talking about how they're not

terrorists. They're just common thieves. We all rush them and then till Zatzim.

Good for too. Okay. You should have zatted the home and screaming.

I loved how they weren't afraid of us. She won as a

Harris or rebels or I mean, even they were like, we don't believe your rebels. Okay, I get that,

but they still have weapons and they're still holding you semi hostage. So

you're still not scared of them or at all. I don't know. Maybe things work differently on that planet.

They didn't also didn't do the obligatory like we have to go to the bathroom scene or we need

pizzas. You know, I guess we got that with the medics. They were really undercover cops and stuff,

but but they didn't even frisk them or check them. I'm like, do y'all watch TV? Yeah. Yeah,

the pizza delivery guy is always a cop. I did see. Okay. GateWorld has fan ratings, you know,

on every episode. Do you want to guess what what the rating was like for this episode?

8.5. You must have looked it up. No, I did. I was actually, I was actually joking because I thought

it would be something like four. No, 8.6. What was the gate world like professional rating?

Oh, it was a two. Yeah. Okay. There it is. It was a two. And then the fan, some of the fan quotes,

where like it was a, um, a quirky hidden gem of season 10. I thought that was funny.

Probably about season 10 standards. Yeah. Yeah. We've talked about that a lot this season that,

you know, if this had been a different season, maybe, but, but, but you know what, by now we're all just

what it's almost like anything goes at this point as long as we don't have Daniel as an

ordinary prior like. Yeah. We're good. Our standards have come down just a little bit. But, um,

Michael shanks his criticism of this episode was, I mean, he said his, he said the way they

added it. It's, I can honestly say that it renders my performance appalling. Wow. Yeah. I mean,

don't, I mean, it does make, it does make the way, I don't know what's in the deleted scenes,

but what's in there does make him look like he's just playing it like way over the top. And it

does make him look kind of bad in that light. But I thought it was funny. Yeah. I mean, what we

saw in, um, what's the episode where he's a prior. Oh, yeah. Stroud. Daniel is their prior

in German. Um, the, uh, the, uh, I only know the German titles. The, uh, I mean, he was pretty

over the top goofy in that episode as well. So I mean, it's not out of the realm of the way he's

portrayed the character in the past, at least in the past season or two that he would be that goofy.

So I kind of bought it, but maybe he felt differently. He's probably over it by now, though, I hope.

Hope. Hope so. Yeah. I mean, I was almost like the way I, I almost read his performance was he

was like the show's ending. I can do whatever I want. And so he's gonna. Yeah. Like he's, he's playing

it up kind of on purpose, but I don't know. That's all I can talk to was like a ham. I guess if

you find out this is your, you know, the show's ending and you're like, what's my next job?

Gonna be in you. Maybe. Maybe he's salty about that. Little panic. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. You have any final thoughts on this one?

Nope. Yeah. Nothing else here. Oh, and I did like, I did like James, a little pepper box revolver

thing that he had. They, they like to put that into where, you know, it has like four little

barrels and stuff. They like to just throw that in because most people aren't familiar with those

and they look somewhat alien. So oh, and I also like the way Cicero was holding the gun on them.

Where he's holding just the, you know, the grip instead of anything remotely close to the trigger,

which is probably good if he had his finger anywhere near the trigger SG one might not have survived,

but. Yeah. But yeah, so I thought that was a funny touch as well. That was.

All right. Do we have porn titles on this one? Yeah. Part of my French, but in French,

it is a freeze day off the juice, which is hostage taking. In German, we got.

Daigai Zelname, which is the hostage taking. And then in.

Really focusing on the host, most of the most these focused on hostage shaking.

And then in Japanese, we got Ryu Arai hero, which is heroes with a cause.

Aw. Yeah. I'm not sure how that.

We're, I'm going to have to think about that one. How that works exactly. Maybe it like rebels

with with the cause or heroes. I don't know. But probably loses something in the translation.

I run it through Groc and see if they have a better translation from the Japanese.

Yeah, maybe it means something like local locally. I can't support.

All right. Put it into Groc and it gave me a page in Japanese. So that.

I didn't ask it to translate. I thought I would just do it. But yeah, we can just go.

We can just do we have any feedback. We do have feedback. And it mentions you, Victor.

I really. Yeah. From polar caps on the episode Tao of Rodney, which was our last,

about the one that just came out at Lannis episode. He or she says, I didn't know Victor was

appearing Michigan. I'm in the Saginaw area. Tim Hortons or Timmy Hose are everywhere.

And then they say, I like the super powered team members episode. Whether it's a gauntlet from a

well endowed blonde lady or a well mounted facehugger. I like the antics. It's a chance to see the

characters true character. Like watching a friend win the lottery. It's just lots of fun.

That's that's a good cover. I like that. It is a very good comment. Yeah. Thank you for that

comment. Who was that from? Polar caps. Polar caps. I don't know if we've seen one from them before.

Keep listening polar caps. Just because people listen to our podcast. I don't have any special

planned. Never, never do. And then we had a little kid. Can I give the little bit of news that

GateWorld announced today about Stargate? Because this is cracking me up and I love it. And I may or

may not be going to try to go through this. The first Stargate cruise set sale in 2027.

So Stargate is going to have a cruise and like a convention experience, but on a cruise ship.

Out of Miami in January, end of January, 2027. Right now, the cast members who are set to be on

said cruise are Richard Dean Anderson, Amanda Tapping, Michael Shanks, Rachel LaTrell and

Paul McGillian. So we got Beckett, Taylor, Daniel Jackson, Samantha Carter and Jack O'Neill. And they're

going to have what is it like meet and greet parties, photo ops, autograph sessions, actor panels,

and trivia competitions, which I don't know if y'all know that I'm a real sucker for trivia. So

I don't know. Maybe, maybe we should make a point to go. You could probably write it off for

something. Yeah. Maybe, maybe down the pay for it. Yeah. So gatecruise.com. So anyway, I think it's

there you go. I saw that. I was like, really? But evidently, that's a thing now with shows. I

didn't know that with fandoms. Yeah, I really like Paul McGillian's character, Dr. Carson Beckett.

So I'm really looking forward to see how they develop this character over the next couple episodes

of Atlantis. Don't do that. Pretty good. Nothing but great future ahead for that guy.

No spoilers. What? It's been a while. Some seem to show somehow he, I won't say. But

well, he's on a cruise. Yeah. Well, maybe that's by the time there was one what time of the year is

the cruise? January. I would say maybe the new show will be out, but now it probably won't be

the fall at least of 27. Yeah. If by then. Good way to write them. Yeah. Maybe they'll promote it

there. Maybe we'll get some of the showrunner director writers to go to. And then we could get,

I mean, from the old show, not from the new, but you know, get some more behind the scene stuff.

That'd be kind of cool. All right. I'll wrap it up. And we'd like to take a moment to thank all

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