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Welcome, Andrew.

Thanks for joining me.

Really excited to dive into this topic one near and dear to both of our hearts.

One we've talked about a lot in the past.

I know, but this time it feels more real.

Like, it's like things are happening now.

It is. It is. Things are happening.

Apple Home is happening.

Hopefully, fingers crossed.

But just to kind of set the stage for listeners who are not

clued in on the smart home.

Andrew, can you just give me a brief rundown of what Apple Home is?

I mean, Apple really jumped into the smart home space.

It's been more than 10 years now when they first launched HomeKit.

And it was kind of pitched as a very secure version of the smart home,

because in the early days, you had a ton of Amazon devices that were just kind of getting

rubber stamps, certifications that were brought with security issues and things like that.

And Apple came out.

Devices that connect to Amazon.

Yes.

Not necessarily Amazon devices.

And it's a word assistance that we won't say.

But there were so many concerns around stuff like that.

And Apple came out with its own version of the smart home stuff called HomeKit.

And they even had, like at the beginning, you needed a specific hardware chip

that you had to buy from Apple, which not only slowed things down in acquiring these chips,

but then also made things more expensive.

Because you had to buy hardware components from Apple as part of their MFI program.

And it was very secure.

It made all that really nice.

And it has since got a little bit more lenient with that as Apple figured out how to do

much of the same stuff through just software.

But it has grown up so much then.

HomeKit became a large part of the framework for Matter,

you know, the OpenStandard now, including like the pairing process,

an onboarding process, and all of that.

And in kind of today's version of the smart home, it does support Matter alongside

the other major ecosystems, at least to some degree.

You know, there's little bits of inconsistencies there, like with cameras.

For the most part, Apple still kind of sticks with where they were.

There's many more accessories now.

It works similar to the other smart home ecosystems, but privacy, security,

all of that is still very front and center with Apple Home.

I mean, even cameras like until I was 27 and all these launched,

all the AI processing is done locally on your Apple TV or your HomePod,

anything like that.

So they've really put that as kind of their big push in the smart home space.

And as we talk about stuff in, you know, to this episode,

I think that's going to be kind of a common topic.

Big differentiator really from the other major platforms, at least.

But what is the one thing that Apple Home has really been lacking over the years?

I mean, there's been many things.

Well, okay, but the one thing that is very relevant to today,

I know you've been excited for a long time, is a way to control your smart home without using

your phone and without using your voice, right?

So they have been behind in this.

They have not had a smart display.

And this is the thing that has been rumored for like three years now, at least.

And we're honestly surprised they didn't,

this didn't come to the fore sooner because Apple has been really lagging behind Amazon

and Google here who have had smart displays for years at this point.

And I know that from your perspective has been a solely Apple home user,

you've been quite jealous of the Nest hubs and the Echo Shows, right?

Absolutely.

Yeah, what would make it useful to you to have a smart display, do you think?

There's a lot of them.

And obviously, so I've broadened out.

I might be now that matter is much nicer to play with with multiple ecosystems.

I do have a Samsung smart thing set up.

I have like one Amazon thing, but I don't even leave that plugged in.

But it exists here in the house.

And I do have like the, I can't even think of what it's called,

but the Nest Max, the Google smart display, I have one of those as well.

And I really like the displays.

I even have like the UFe E10, which is kind of like, you know,

their version of a smart display.

But I like that kind of just central home point for all of your devices.

An easy way to control things, see your cameras without having,

like you said, to pull out a phone or a tablet.

If you walk into something, I just want to be able to control something,

just make it really easy to gain access to all of those things,

as well as other relevant information.

I think it makes obviously perfect sense,

because we've seen it with other products.

To include your smart home controls,

along with your daily necessities,

like weather, calendar, things like that.

So to combine those things into a similar or a complete form factor

is what I've been wanting.

I want what all of these other ecosystems have had for years.

But with Apple's magic touch on it,

and I think as we talk about some of the rumors,

like Apple has some really cool little tricks that it does

that is going to make this extra compelling to me,

compared to some of the other ones that have been out there for a while.

Yeah, yeah.

Excellent.

Yeah, well, this is, as you can probably tell,

this is the one that we are both most excited about, I think.

We've already ruined the ranking.

I know, I've ruined the ranking.

But in terms of likelihood, I'm on the fence a little bit on this one.

But yes, okay, so we have a Vergecast Ranko-matic

that's going to help us rank the seven Apple Home hardware rumors

in terms of the most likely to be in our homes next week.

And also, and then in terms of which ones,

maybe just be vaporware if they end up in number seven.

So, okay, so I think, let's start with the smartness play,

because that really is, as we said, the one that we're most excited about.

Honestly, this is a really big lift, I think, for Apple.

I think they have to do something really new here.

And the rumors have been kind of all over the place.

I mean, there's been a little consistency,

but there's also just sort of been like,

oh, it's going to have MagSafe.

Oh, it's going to be removable.

It's going to be a home pod with a screen attached to it.

What do you think?

What do you think we're going to get?

And what do you actually want this device to look like?

Basically, what I'm expecting is a seven-inch display.

Based on the lead display, Bloomberg leaks,

it sounds like it's going to be like that seven-inch-size tablet

on top of a half dome size,

so kind of like half a home pod,

or it's going to look like, you know, the iMac G4 back in the day.

But essentially, you know, a little seven-inch tablet on top of a dome.

I think that is very, very likely.

There seems like there's going to be two versions of this.

I could see that happening of it being wall-mountable

versus the other one.

And when they've said rumors about like MagSafe,

that could just be essentially just means magnetic.

I could see them doing some sort of like wall-mount version

that you screw on, and then it just kind of snaps onto your wall

that you could still pull off and charge

or something like that to make it happen.

Yeah.

That's a whole other thing,

but I'm very curious at how Apple may say,

wall-mount work because I cannot imagine Apple

asking people to do any sort of wiring.

Instantly.

It's not going to do that.

So I'm guessing it's going to be probably battery-powered

or with a cable that drags down.

And then we're going to get third-party options

from like Belkin or something that will allow you to do

like an in-wall wiring kit for those who are like extra ambitious

to pull it off.

But I do think it'll be,

roughly seven-inch-size,

there'll be a tabletop version and some sort of wall version of it.

I don't think that we're going to get any sort of app store

at the beginning.

My guess is we're going to get a bunch of the Apple apps,

like Safari, News, Home,

Calendar, Reminders,

all of those,

FaceTime,

yeah, of course,

all of that kind of stuff.

So I can look like an iPad, basically.

But with a different interface.

Yeah, it's going to be some sort of kind of like

an algorithmation of like stand-by mode and Apple TV

is what I'm going to imagine kind of like a combination of those interfaces.

Because we see things like the screensaver interface for Apple TV

that looks like it's destined for this device

with a swipe up and changing them.

Similar with Control Center,

how it just slides over or slides down.

It looks like it would be perfect on something like this.

And it's also this new operating system

is supposedly based on TVOS.

So it would make sense there.

But I don't think we're going to get a full-fledged app store.

But I think that is part of the brilliance of this.

I have been saying this and now this like

latest leak in the Mac OS 26.7 RC

has seemingly confirmed what I've been saying for like a year now.

Which is that Apple is going to take its

widget and live activities interfaces that they brought to the Mac

and put it on this.

That makes sense.

Like you can already put any of your iOS widgets

and live activities from your phone on your Mac.

And it's not running anything on your Mac.

I think it can do the same thing here.

And with that combined with all of the app intents

and interactive widgets that it's been able to do,

you're essentially going to get apps.

But developers would have to do nothing on day one

to more or less make their things work.

And I was looking through all of my stuff recently.

Sonos just launched live activity with complete playback control.

That could show up on your Smartisly.

You could have full Sonos control on this day one.

All of the major smart home brands already have very robust

like control widgets that you could use.

Ufee, Switchbot, Acara, Amazon has one, Google Home has one.

Of course Apple Home.

So all of those to control all of your third party ecosystem things

would be on this.

Counters, every calendar company has their own like fantastic how

Google, Amazon, whatever,

control security systems.

I know I have one for a boat, 80T.

I think all of them have those you could have.

So they wouldn't need to have their own apps on this device.

They wouldn't have to do anything.

And that would make it a lot easier to bring into your home

and set up how you like.

Because it seemed to me that it was most likely to just lock you into

using Apple Home, using Apple Calendar, using FaceTime.

But you're thinking this might give it a little bit more breathing room

to not be so walled garden like.

Widgets are fully interactive now.

So you can actually control stuff.

Right.

And yeah, it could just run off of your phone.

And that rumor said it would show the widgets

but hide personal information until it recognized you

using the built-in camera and facial recognition.

Once it recognized you, then it would show your personal information.

So it would have full multi-user support

like we do on Apple TV technically.

Right. And that's going to be key here.

Because whilst we have that on home pods,

it's a little spotty.

Too many times a day I get

who am I speaking to from my Siri?

Yeah.

I'm like, ah.

So yeah, it'll be that that's something

that Apple really needs to focus on.

And this is the problem that has been what we've had

with using iPads as a home controller,

which is something that people have been doing to date

to try and fill this gap is that they're not multi-user.

And yeah, it's not it's not easy to switch.

And so a visual interaction makes a lot of sense face ID.

You see who is.

You also have a guest mode.

You would assume for people be able to use

and control devices.

I just want something simple.

I want Apple to crack the simple smart home interface.

I don't want to have to deal with tons of little buttons

or taps.

I want to be able to walk towards, say what I want.

And it just appears.

And I can tap like, you know, turn the lights on

and the brightness appears.

And I think I think they've got.

And hopefully there'll be some sort of motion sensing

UWB or something that so it recognizes you

as you approach and adapts the display for you.

Yep, some sort of proximity stuff.

Yep.

Okay, so where do we think this is on the probability scale?

Is this like one or two?

Or are we thinking later this year, maybe three or four?

This has been, I don't know what they're going to do without like

spoiling the rest of our list here.

There's other rumors for things like Apple TV and HomePod

that are perhaps more likely.

So like this would have to be a minimum of three.

But I would say really surprised,

slash confused if Apple introduced like part of it smart home

plan and not the other part.

I know there's like a rumored October events

where we could see this, but it just seems weird.

It's like here's an Apple TV and HomePod,

but not the display.

We're going to wait one month until we show that off.

So I don't know.

I think at a minimum, I'm going to, I'm going to have to say three.

Okay.

I think it's more likely than some of the other stuff.

Well, and that was, so I think that leads us right into the new HomePod

and the new Apple TV, which kind of feel like sure things.

Like the rumors are that they've been ready for ages,

but some things been holding it up.

What might that be, city?

What might that be?

Yeah.

What are we getting with new Apple TV and new HomePod mini here?

So HomePod mini is so long in the tooth.

It's six years old now.

Really old.

So yeah, you got to do this one Apple.

You got to, there's no choice really.

Yeah, 100 would say.

And what, so,

here's okay.

Switching to conspiracy had a little bit.

Part of me wonders when they do this.

Like I wonder if they could do some sort of pairing

with the HomePod and the Smart Display.

Because right now, your HomePod is running off of Apple Watch chips.

Right? Just like the current ones are.

So could they do something like

bring Apple Intelligence and the new version of Siri AI

to this Home Smart Display and then relay the more complicated messages

through this hub and not have to put a, you know,

crazy height like got into A17 Pro in here.

Right.

But then again, also like the new version of Apple Watch does have kind of

Apple Intelligence on it now, you know, with WatchOS 27.

So maybe you'll do that, but we're going to have some

before my Apple Intelligence.

I think it's like a guarantee like Siri AI will be here.

Because right now, Apple's assistant is so inconsistent.

I don't want my HomePod to answer me when I talk to my to Siri.

So I know this is, it drives me nuts.

Trying to add something to the shopping list and it, my phone,

well, and then my homePod and they'll be like competing with each other.

The HomePod can't tell if you're stumbling over your phrases.

The HomePod can't do, you know, almost any of the intelligent stuff

that you can now do on your phone.

And then the TV is a whole separate thing.

It hasn't even more limited set of controls.

We need that unification.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think that no matter what, this is going to have to have some sort of,

you know, Siri AI.

That's what this has been held up for.

That's going to be your biggest thing.

Other than that, like updated, you know, acoustic, probably second generation,

ultra wide band ship to a pro like handoff experience.

I don't know if they'll do anything.

With like people tracking in the home,

or if that's just like a pinnacle for possible later utilities with things.

But I think like we upgraded chip, I don't know if they'll do it in the end one.

You don't really need Wi-Fi 7 on something like a smart speaker.

But they could throw it in because they just made a whole bunch of those N1 ships

and they just have them lying around.

But other than that, it's probably just going to sound better and have Apple intelligence.

And that's probably key.

That's one of our other top seven is Siri in Apple Home.

Because in case people weren't aware, it's a lot like the whole Google Home Gemini thing

that's going on right now is that the assistant that you use in your home with Apple

is completely different from the assistant you use on your phone.

And this is talking about the new assistant on iOS 27.

I'm currently on the beta for that, public beta for that.

So yeah.

And that is a very frustrating disconnect because your home and your

phone are not separate.

You use the two of them together a lot.

So yeah, we really need that.

And I think actually this may even bump the home smart display to four.

Because I think we're going to have a new Apple TV, a new HomePod Mini,

and a new Siri in September.

Because that lays that foundation, that lays that groundwork for making this Apple Home

shift into new hardware.

I think that's long time coming and pretty to guarantee that we're going to get that.

Apple TV, we've actually had a number of updates recently.

So what do we think is going to be about this one?

Is it just the Siri AI bump or are we going to get anything else?

And maybe more on device, Apple intelligence?

Yeah, I think there's going to be a number of new things with this one.

Now compared to something like the HomePod Mini, because they're definitely not putting in

a 17 pro in there, the new Apple TV I think will have at minimum an a 17 pro to support actual

on device Apple intelligence.

We've seen with the new versions of Apple software, they specifically have these

powerful on device models and some that are limited to the more recent devices.

So I don't know where the lands with Apple TV, because it doesn't need quite as much,

but my guess is a 17 pro processor enabling Apple intelligence.

We will have likely Apple's N1 chip.

I think there were some code references to Apple's N1 networking chip.

So Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 6, and still thread, which is jumping to 1.4 with TV OS 27.

Yay, only one behind.

I know, about time.

So we'll have those.

There was also a late leak that showed we would be getting a new remote.

Bloomberg first said this, and then this was in like that macOS code.

That's exciting.

My husband won't use the Apple TV because he hates the remote.

But I think it's going to look basically the same.

I'm just hoping that they put in find my instead of whatever they have now.

That's the one thing when I was reviewing like the Google TV.

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This ranked these three that we just went over, which you think is

is a shoe in number one.

HomePod mini Apple TV or better Siri for the home.

We can't do, we can't do better Siri without the other two.

I'm going to go Apple TV as number one, mainly because I want it so much.

So much.

Okay, and then HomePod mini two.

Yes.

New home pods, which I'm not sure about Maxi, probably just Mini.

We may get Maxi later.

Sorry.

Not official naming.

And then Siri in the home, which probably won't have a different name, but

this is the differentiation here is this is the different voice assistant that is

slightly more tailored to the home and to communal use as opposed to just your phone.

Okay, so one, two, three, four we got.

These are all coming this year, I would say.

Fingers crossed.

What do you think Andrew?

Do you agree?

I think so.

I guarantee you.

I'm wondering just if there maybe they'll announce like the smart display,

you know, at the same time as the events, but it won't launch.

You like it's fuzzy with the rumors on terms of like announcement versus availability.

They could announce this thing, let the phones and other tech get bigger highlights and then

launch that this smart display can hit shelves a few weeks later to kind of keep that Apple

PR train rolling to just kind of spread it out.

Yeah.

They could do something like that, even if it doesn't require much dev support.

That would be an awful lot of saying Apple Home in a iPhone keynote.

I mean, I, that would be so excited.

Phone.

We'll see, we'll see.

We'll have to have a verticals game for how many times they say Apple Home in the next event.

Okay, so we have three left that we're going to power through because they're all quite exciting,

but also hugely dubious rumors at this stage.

So we've got a robotic tabletop display and we have a security camera.

So an Apple doorbell and an Apple security camera.

What are you thinking about these three?

I mean, the most, let's start with the security cameras because that kind of leads on from what

we've been talking about.

Like it fits into Apple Home to bring their own first party hardware security cameras.

So maybe an indoor camera and a doorbell camera, but they've never made an Apple Home smart device.

This would be a first.

The home pods don't count.

Apple TVs don't count.

There's a hubs.

They're not devices for running your,

they're not devices that you use in your home like a camera is.

So this would be a big shift.

So how likely do you think these are and which one is more likely?

Would you say if I was putting money on it, I think that the camera,

the security camera, dedicated camera would be more likely than the doorbell.

Just because doorbells can require wiring and that just is very unappled to have to do any install

or have a pro doing any install.

Jay and I know you talk like we talked these doorbell companies and they talk about how they have,

well, you can do a white service option where we should, where someone shows up in your house

and does the install and I don't think Apple is going to want to get close.

So if I'm putting money on the camera is going to be more important because it's plug and play.

And even though there are so many cameras out there, I think this one could be very big for Apple.

Obviously it's competition in Google and Amazon have their own first party cameras that they are

offering and in the world that we are at right now, I think security and privacy are such huge

things. And I think it ties in with the AI stuff and to really do a lot with AI in the home,

you're going to need cameras to be able to do that.

Yeah, the visual information that feeds in, I just wrote a piece about Gemini for home and how

Gemini can take the text descriptions and match that to things that you are doing around the home.

So having that data fed into the home from the cameras gives so much context

to a smart home system that could potentially unlock significant value in the way that your

smart home can maybe be a little bit more autonomous and could potentially sort of help run your

home for you, which is sort of that ambient home goal. But cameras, people don't really,

I don't know, even from Apple, do you feel comfortable? Do you have cameras inside your house,

monitoring you while you're in your home? I just don't see that as something that a lot of people

are going to want to do. So it's a security camera when you know turns on when you leave,

which is something that Apple Home does very well. But you're right, privacy and security are what

Apple is selling here and they've done that very well in the home. And really they only have to beat

Amazon and Google on trust here, which isn't going to be that hard at this stage.

So there are a lot of cameras out there, but there aren't a lot of cameras that people say,

I feel 100% confident putting this inside my home. And I feel like Apple probably has the

Trump card there. What do you think? I think that's absolutely their play because it can

once your home starts reacting or like doing things predictively, it can be creepy. And you want to

have if you're going to have something in it that does that, you're going to need like one that's

most secure and private. We do have cameras in the house because we have so many pets and stuff.

When we leave, we watch them. So like it needs to be, we for sure have to have cameras in the

house, but we don't have them in any of the bedrooms or anything, but at least in like the living room,

dining room, main areas, we do have cameras. And I just think that's Apple's play there to use

that for AI and just really hammer home. All these privacy security things is going to give them

that leg up. But that the home predictive stuff could be two years away from Apple at a minimum

doing anything with it. But it could start just with a basic. That's very optimistic.

It's Apple. They can start super tiny. I mean, technically Apple's been doing AI for how many

years now, just with the little stuff of on device, Core ML, the stuff showing up in control

center, like that is AI, predicting what controls you're going to need before you need it. And it's

just been in control center and it's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're right. There are a little

touch is there and we may see more. But I actually think the doorbell camera is makes more sense just

because it is a much more popular device. Like a lot of people want doorbells. How do you think

Apple's going to do with install? Like I know it's just a weird question to hit so much. But how

do you think Apple approaches that? Yeah. I mean, well, there was rumors about it being some kind of

like a MagSafe device. So like, I don't know. But that has to get wired first. Some kind of battery

pack inside. I don't know. I mean, yeah, you go to the inside. Yeah. So that you don't actually have

to wire anything. Although why Apple HomeKit secure video only work with wired doorbells right now.

So their whole infrastructure is around wired cameras. I know there were workarounds.

Well, those workarounds are if you have a hub for them, like the the Echara one. What if the

new smart display? Oh, the new smart display would be the hub for the camera. That would make a

lot of sense. Maybe they come maybe these come together too because that's one of the biggest uses

for a smart display is senior video doorbell when someone rings the door. You can obviously do

that with your Apple TV today when you someone rings the doorbell. You can have the video show up

on your on your big screen. But it's also nice to have it on your little screen that's on your

desk or in your on your kitchen counter. I think the doorbell just makes more sense for the actual

consumer. It's very powered. I'm with you. We'll do five. We'll see five in the doorbell.

Doorbell five. And I do love the facial ID feature on this that's been rumoured though. Do you?

I do because I've used it. I've used Face Unlock and I with other cameras and I've actually really

enjoyed it. I was surprised. I do. Do you do which one do you prefer or do you want both?

I liked both. I think the problem with UWB is you've got to have your phone on you. With Face Unlock,

you don't have to have your phone on you. Which is it does make a difference, especially for

families. If you have kids that don't have phones. I think it's a broader use case Face ID.

And with Apple, people are used to it. You use it to unlock your phone. So I use it to unlock my

door. And I think that is just this more of a consumer use case in that. I think there's more of an

AI use case in the camera. So we'll see. Let's go with five for doorbell, six for security camera.

So that's how good. Sounds good. And then the last one, the most exciting one.

Okay, least likely to happen ever. I don't actually think this is going to happen.

Robotic tabletop display. So what is this one? Andrew, you do think it's going to happen?

Oh, 100%. I want the lamp. The lamp. So this is what has been rumoured. Like within Apple,

they call it the Pixar lamp. This robot. And there's actually a video of Apple testing a similar robot

lamp that they did for a sort of a white paper to prove that you need interaction with a device

that is endearing. And so it sounds like this device might be designed to sort of be your friend.

Is that what you're hearing? I mean, we've heard who knows where all these things are going to

go together. But this is my thought. I think this is 100% like very likely to happen. I'm not

going to say guaranteed. Apple can scratch scratch things at any point in the process for any reason.

And it could be a little less exciting than some of the rumors say, like you talk about it like being

your friend. I don't know about that. We've heard versions of Apple testing out like the...

Well, apparently it's code named charismatic is the OS is confused. But I heard that was the name

for Apple's home OS, which could just run on the smart display. Right. Yes. But charismatic is

quite telling. But I heard that some kind of that Apple might have a version of Siri AI just running

as a version of the little finder face or a little finder guy. So what if, Jen, it's literally just

an adapter or an updated version of this smart display that uses the technology that Apple's

already had out for a few years. The tracking dot kit. Yeah. This is a no longer an existing product

and holding up like the Belkin tracking stand pro, which was I think recalled.

It was. Yeah. So you should not have that. I should not. This is a fire hazard, apparently.

But yeah, it can move. It was able to move and follow you around. And that's what this rumoured

tabletop display is going to be. It's going to be rumoured to be like a seven inch display,

right? On a motorized arm that can move around with you and like react to you. Yeah.

The is the rumour. It could just instead of being on a stationary base, like we have with,

you know, rumoured for the launch of a half home pod mini with a seven inch display. What if it's

just a bigger version of that base that has dot kit built into it that follows you around the room?

That's far less exciting than a robot. I thought it would be a robot, Andrew. Give me robots.

I mean, we're getting there. You got to start somewhere. You got to start on your counter.

I keep seeing, I don't know, because it's, you know, X or Twitter, you see one video and then you

see a thousand of the same video. But for the last several days, I've just seen all the companies

launching their own versions of the Pixar lamps. And I just keep seeing videos of them as AI

assistants rotating around literally is just lamps. But I could see Apple making a version of,

you know, it's, it's assistant that has some sort of UI to it. And then on some sort of dot kit

base with an improved speaker that feels very much like a personal assistant, a personal robot

sitting on your counter. Okay, Andrew, we've got it. We've ranked the likelihood of the products

arriving. And number one is Apple TV. We think that's a shoe in home pod mini, maybe not Maxi. We

didn't really get to that. Number two. And then at number three, we'll be Siri in the home.

We get the Apple intelligence. And those three are, you know, neck and neck at the finish line,

followed closely, hopefully, number four, the smart, the home smart display, the Apple hub,

Apple Home Hub. Who knows what it's going to be called? Apple pad. Apple pad sounds good to me.

Home pad. There we go. There you go. Apple take that one. And then number five is a Apple doorbell

camera. Number six, an Apple security camera. And then number seven, the robotic table top display

that looks like the Pixar lamp and that's going to be charming. That seems not likely in my books.

Andrew is a lot more optimistic. Thank you, Andrew. Really appreciate you joining me to start this

one out. And we'll have to get back together in a few months and see if we got it right. Hopefully

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