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of the Iran War.

Then we'll talk to Democracy Forward Sky Perryman

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But first, the news.

Molly, another beautiful night of seeing Democrats

outperform insane numbers.

No one would expect against Republicans

in these special elections and in the primaries.

Yeah, so here's what's going on.

Donald Trump is on the ticket.

And even when he's not on the ticket, he's on the ticket.

And so we're seeing these kind of insane,

like Democrats are winning.

The great example is Marjorie Taylor Green.

Give a proceed in Rome, Georgia.

That is a C-C-1.

I don't know.

Is it 28 points?

I mean, some crazy, crazy number.

Trump won Marjorie Taylor Green's district by 37 points.

So now here we are.

And it's not even two years later.

And this is a seat now that the Democrat,

I mean, the Democrat lost, but not by 38 points,

just by 12 points.

So it's a real, if you think about,

that's like a 20 point, little more than 20 point shift.

That's crazy.

That's what we're seeing around the country.

That's what we're seeing everywhere.

And so that's what we're seeing in Wisconsin.

So Wisconsin, this is the state Supreme Court race.

Remember, we had a lot of these people on this podcast

because it was a very tight Wisconsin Supreme Court.

You know, it's an elected judgeship.

And we had been back and forth on this.

And Democrats were running.

It was really tight.

There was going to be a majority or Republican majority.

Democrats flipped it.

And now it's about to be a Democratic majority.

And this is a state Wisconsin that is really

one of the most sort of evenly split states.

And if you think about it, it's like the governor

is a guy, Tony Ivers, who is just a sort of really

nondescript.

He's a Democrat, but you might not know.

He's a very sort of nondescript white guy.

And he barely won, you know, this is a really,

like if you're, if the voters of Wisconsin

are saying this, then the voters of Texas and California,

and this is the canary in the coal mine.

So this is what we're seeing.

And we're going to see more of this.

And good, because Donald Trump is a complete lunatic.

And no one is running a check on it.

Yeah, and you know, the thing that you really pointed out

well, it was how much in the midterms last time

to remind people that people said that like these three

point or four point spreads are not worth sinking our money

into.

And people didn't donate to these candidates.

And then they'd lose by a point because of all the voter

enthusiasm.

And we could have not had Senator Ron Johnson

or something you pointed out that was really astute.

If we had just not felt like the cook PVIs what it was

in the midterms and things like that.

And we got to see right now that there

is huge, huge possibilities to flip a lot of these seats.

So we really, really got to go in.

Huge and Mandela Barnes.

Let me tell you about Mandela Barnes,

who was running a Wisconsin for that Senate seat.

I was told by even very smart white guys

that it was too much to hope that Wisconsin

would not elect a black Senator.

FYI, he lost by like one point.

Yeah, so small.

Ron and on just forward money into that race.

Import money to junk polls.

Right, exactly.

And so the Democrats abandoned Mandela Barnes.

That would have been a really easy pick up.

It's such a good example of why it's what Mandelipment says.

You have to run everywhere.

And especially in a landscape like this,

where Republicans are getting significant headwinds.

And it just is just a moment where Democrats

need to run at every seat.

Because the thing is, we all know there will be a time.

And I know it feels like it's not true.

OK, I'm going to tell a story here.

So last night I went to a dinner with people

who are working on safeguarding democracy

and there are lawyers and judges and all sorts of things.

And the most important thing is, first of all,

the elections are not run by the federal government.

They are decentralized.

So everyone needs to stop thinking

they're going to cancel the elections.

There is no there.

They cannot do that.

Will Donald Trump try to do a lot of who we undoubtably?

But we all need to be sane and not panic

until it's time to panic.

Because if everyone is at 11 right now,

then when we really need to be at 11, we're going to miss it.

And so what I'm here to tell you is there

are a lot of people trying to keep your elections safe and secure.

There are a lot of lawyers and a lot of democracy watchers

and a lot of people focused on making sure

that your vote is counted, that it is free and fair.

So we all have to do our part by knowing

that we're going to have free and fair elections

and just making sure that we show up and we register voters

and we do all of these important democratic works.

And I really think there are some people

who are resistance heroes who are saying things

like Trump's going to cancel the election.

And you need to tell those people, no,

because it is voter suppression

to six months before the election,

believe that Donald Trump has a power

to unilaterally cancel the elections.

Yeah, we need people realizing we got to get out

on the streets and not fearing the measma

of that there might be doom coming.

These voices who are saying this

got to really knock this off because it's conjecture.

Right. And also just remember the people who are saying that

are incentivized for you to be scared to get clicks.

Okay, Molly, that is very important.

And I really appreciate it.

So Peabody is going to try to dodge

talking about Epstein in front of Congress.

Congress is saying, fuck off.

Nancy Mace, everyone's faith.

You may know her as a complete lunatic.

Again, we have these moments in this podcast

in American politics at this moment

where a Nancy Mace or a Thomas Massey

or a Alex Jones, this is the case, maybe,

might be saying the right things,

might be saying things we agree with,

but we can still know that they are complete lunatics.

That said, Nancy Mace, Rokana,

Sopena Bondi, or they wrote a letter to Bondi saying

she still has to testify.

Todd Blant said, no, here's the deal.

And this goes back to what we were just saying

before about elections.

All of this happens if people make it happen.

Bondi will testify if she's forced to testify, right?

Like Kristi Nome was the Homeland Security Secretary

until she wasn't.

So everyone needs to push really hard

and make sure things happen the way they're supposed to

and the way they're legally supposed to.

I mean, Rokana has been really interesting.

It has been a really interesting voice and all of this

because what he's doing, and again,

and I think the model here is Robert Garcia,

but what they're doing is they are just not being polite.

They are just pushing and pushing and pushing.

I want to add something else.

We have 80, I think it's even more,

the members of Congress that are now pro impeachment of Trump.

Again, now, remember, Democrats don't control the House,

but we have like about 80 Democrats

who are now pro impeachment and have signed on

to an impeachment thing.

And this is AOC and Maxwell Frost and Robert Garcia

and Sarah McBride and Rashida Talib and Rokana.

So here, I want to talk about this because it's important.

Nancy Pelosi is the person driving this

or at least is the person getting credit for driving it.

So it's more than 50 House Democrats.

I think it's at 60 now.

Markey, Ron Wyden are two senators

who've also followed along with that.

Why this is smart?

Nancy Pelosi is almost done serving in Congress.

So she's doing something here where this is good for her

because she then becomes a hero to the base,

doesn't need to run for reelection,

doesn't have to make deals with Republicans.

Now, no already leader Hakeem can pretend

he didn't know anything about it.

Maybe he didn't know anything about it,

but it's just a very smart way to do it.

Look, is Donald Trump going to get impeached

not until Democrats flip the House?

But yesterday was an insane day.

And if ever there were a moment

that Donald Trump should be impeached

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Pretty much.

I have been saying this for a while,

but I think yesterday was, or yesterday,

whatever day it is.

We are recording this on Wednesday,

and Tuesday, Donald Trump's threaten to basically genocide.

I mean, not really genocide, just sort of level

in entire untree,

because not entirely clear why.

And so he, in the morning,

when I went to do Morning Joe,

and we're there, and like looking at this tweet,

that's like, you know, I might just wipe this civilization

from the face of the earth because I can.

Thank you for your attention to this matter, Donald J. Trump.

What I didn't know is that I actually think

that that was a day.

It was like the day that Donald Trump said,

like we put the light inside the body,

and it kills the COVID, remember that?

Like it was like one of those days where everyone went,

oh, right, he's nuts.

Yeah, no, I think that's right.

I mean, for the people who somehow, you know,

I don't know, 10 years into this shit,

haven't remembered that or figured it out yet.

But, you know, you said you weren't really sure why he said that.

I think I'm pretty sure why he said that,

because we're losing.

Yeah, yeah.

And that's what you do when you're losing,

particularly if you're losing,

and you have nuclear weapons,

you say stuff like that,

if you're a psychopath on top of all that.

And what happened almost immediately was we saw,

so Tucker, as soon as Donald Trump launched this thing,

and again, no one has to hand it to Tucker, right?

No one has to hand it to Tucker.

You knew him, and his anti-war stuff is very wrapped up

in anti-Semitism, anti-Israel, anti this anti that.

So, no one is handing it to Tucker Carlson,

but he has been staunchly anti-Ibron war,

maybe because he's anti-war, maybe because he's anti-Semitic,

maybe both.

Yesterday, we saw Alex Jones driving India's car.

I don't know why he couldn't pull over,

saying we need to do the 25th Amendment,

which of course means getting rid of the president.

These are two of the people who made him

the nominee in 2016, right?

It is hard to think of two people who are more responsible

for Donald Trump winning the nomination than Alex Jones.

Remember, Donald Trump went on Alex Jones's show

when he was the very friendiest French.

And Tucker Carlson, remember Donald Trump went on

Tucker Carlson's show when he was the most,

the most sort of mainstreamy mega Fox News host.

Yeah, I think the reason Alex Jones couldn't pull over

is he was afraid his car was going to get repossessed

if they caught up to him.

But yes, I know a lot of the Magda people

who are public facing are not happy with the Iran War,

you know, the cheerleaders at Fox aside.

My only feeling is I don't know if that translates

to the rank and file, Magda.

The polling I've seen shows that they're okay

with the Iran War, and because they're not as much

ideological as they are just, you know,

in a cult.

In a cult.

So if Trump does it, it must be right.

But okay, putting that aside.

Yeah, I mean, we are definitely seeing a huge split

is I guess would be putting it maybe kindly,

but I think accurately.

And yesterday, Tuesday, there was this one voice

that was still defending him or had, I mean,

besides Ben Shapiro, who has gotten creamed,

partially probably because of anti-Semitism,

but also because he's staunchly pro-Israel

and thus staunchly pro this war.

And his numbers are just going down.

He's hemorrhaging viewers.

Magda turns out, Magda does not have the huge appetite

for whatever that is.

But one of his last defenders was Megan Kelly.

And Jesse is going to play us a clip

of where Megan Kelly is right now.

Now, as you can imagine, that post did not go

overwhelm with the Iranians or with many Americans.

I mean, I don't know about you, but I am sick of this shit.

I'm just, I'm sick of it.

Can he just behave like a normal human?

I mean, honestly, like the president,

all right, 3D, yes, shut up.

Fucking shut up about that shit.

You don't threaten to wipe out an entire civilization.

We're talking about civilians just casually

in a social media post.

Go. Andy, as someone who knows her, go.

Well, just the idea, this isn't even like, you know,

the sort of famous, I can't believe the leopard date my face.

The leopard ate her face.

Like, she was the original, you know,

blood coming out of her wherever.

And she's sitting there going, why can't he not be like this?

You know, 11 years later, we're 12, whatever,

however many years ago that was.

I mean, that's just insane.

But I will say this, Megan Kelly does have her finger

on the pulse of the assholes.

And, you know, if she's out there saying this,

because look, I don't believe

that Megan Kelly really has a set of core beliefs

at this point.

So if she's out there saying this stuff,

she sees which way the winds are blowing,

and she's very good at that.

You know, you can't deny that.

So, you know, again, I think the mega base

is fine with Iran.

The mega base is never going to not be fine with Trump.

It's the people who aren't the mega base,

but who voted for Trump.

Those are the ones you got to get and I disagree.

Okay.

And I'm going to push back.

And now I could be wrong.

Please.

No, be wrong.

Be wrong, Molly.

I know you're going to be shocked to hear this,

but I've been wrong before.

So remember, part of what happened with Trump in 2020

was that he lost the, he lost the Indies, right?

The normal people, the people who are like,

I don't like the tweets.

I don't like the racism, but I really want a tax cut.

So I'm going to hold my nose and vote for him.

This is not that.

This is the pure mega.

This is the groipers.

This is the young, the men who like racism.

And here's my take.

Okay.

I think that Tucker and Alex Jones and Megan Kelly

are not reflecting their own views.

They're reflecting the views of their people.

They're on the internet seeing their people

and their people are saying, like, we don't, we're not into this.

And so this about face, it's a real split in the core of Maga

and that you really have, because remember,

like if you think about it, if you look at Ben Shapiro

and you see that he is just hemorrhaging viewers,

listeners, whatever it is he has.

So part of that can, could be anti-semitism for sure

because he's very, but some of that has to be anti-war stuff,

right?

Because he has been just a continual voice for the war.

And so these people are learning that lesson.

I mean, I'm reminded of like when we saw,

I mean, we've seen phenomenon like this where YouTubers

are sort of, you know, their popularity hinges

on what they go along with or don't.

I think that this is, I think this may actually really be

a canary in the coal mine.

There are a couple of things.

One, it's not that I completely disagree with you.

I was saying more, like, just from an electoral perspective.

The pure Maga people, you know,

are probably voting for JD Vance or whoever in 28.

But it's the not pure Maga people

who are looking around now and saying, you know,

it's the ones who, for instance, keep saying,

this is not what I voted for even though it's what they

voted for.

Right, all right.

Fun, you know, you go get a poll,

do you oppose or support the war with Iran?

Maga Republicans support it 77% to 40%.

Right, true, okay.

So that's where I would push back on saying that it's like,

you know, Maga as a block is not happy.

They may not be happy with how it's being prosecuted.

But they're not opposed to the war

because Donald Trump is doing it and, you know,

in Trump we trust.

So that's my only, that's my pushback on that there.

But I agree with you again,

the forward facing Maga people who are influential

and the fact that 77% number doesn't have to be there forever.

You know, if the Megan Kelly's and the Tucker's

and the Alex Jones's and the, you know,

I don't think Tim Poole is on that list.

Is Tim Poole still a pro war?

I think he's basically going around saying we won.

What I would say is he's lightly skeptical occasionally,

but mostly in on Mr. Trubbs for like 3D Chess.

Right, exactly.

We don't want my interjection in.

So feel free to do your analysis.

Why can't we have your interjection in?

Are you not supposed to exist?

I mean, people know you exist, Jesse.

As though we're Wizard of Oz.

They're not happy about it, but they know.

I mean, they know.

They know it's just a white guy.

That's right.

Every time.

But yes, I do think it's an impossible situation for them

because they have to, you know,

they got where they are defending the indefensible.

Right.

But now the indefensible doesn't track

where the America first.

Right.

I do think, again, not to hand it to them in the slightest bit.

I do think Tucker Carson is legitimately, quote unquote,

anti-war.

And I do think that he would be a,

even if we were winning this war,

I think he would be opposed to it.

I don't feel that way about making Kelly

or some of the other people that you've mentioned.

By the way, is this the fastest we've ever lost a war

in our history?

Well, it was always, this war was always like,

we're going to war and you said, why?

And they said, because nukes,

well, do they have nukes now?

Could they have nukes?

Maybe in two weeks.

Maybe not.

Maybe they have them.

Maybe they're a week away.

I mean, like, you know, there was like literally no effort

to sell the war.

Even W, right?

Even W, even his dad.

Like there was a sort of, like it was, you know,

there's a threat, there's a this, you know,

I mean, I remember after 9-11,

when they were like, we're going to go into Afghanistan.

And I was like, Afghanistan,

but none of the hijackers come from Afghanistan.

Oh, he can't go to Saudi Arabia.

So we're going to go to Afghanistan.

Right.

It didn't make any sense.

But at least there was, you know,

it was 9-11, we were all super traumatized, you know.

Right, right.

At least they cared enough to lie to us.

Right, exactly.

Well, at least they were trying to make the,

but it was, I mean, it still was a moment

where I was like, but Afghanistan, why Afghanistan?

Yeah.

Like it didn't make any sense.

Right.

But yeah, I didn't even hear about yellow cake

this time around.

All right, yellow cake.

Yeah.

Well, there was definitely the last time

there was, it felt like a real threat.

This just feels like he was trying to

just drive from the obscene files.

And it really does feel at the end of the day.

Like, you know, people say that's such a,

that's such a, like the,

the dad's is sort of not, you know,

it's a, it's a simplistic take on Donald Trump.

But it may actually be true.

Yeah, I'm sort of vid in the simplistic take group.

Yeah, it might be part of it.

I'm not saying it's not part of it.

I don't think it's the whole reason.

I don't think he's sitting there going,

I gotta do something to distract from the obscene files.

I'm gonna bomb it around.

It's something he wanted to do.

Right.

And, and to me, he did it because he was convinced

that there would be financial gains from it.

Yeah.

You know, and it's turning out to be, of course,

exactly the opposite, although he is claiming

that we are somehow gonna make money off tolls

in the state of Hormuz.

Really?

I really don't think that's gonna happen,

but, you know.

My, my favorite part of the whole thing is that,

he's like, straights were clear, right?

We went to war, straights are not clear.

Donald Trump's like, we're gonna make money on this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, look, it's, you know, you can sit there

and try to parse his language

and try to analyze everything he says.

And then you just, at a certain point,

you have to say, why am I doing this?

Why am I pretending that he actually means something,

intelligent, you know, and, and, and, and rational?

Yeah.

Because he doesn't.

And like you said before, it's like, it's, you know,

stop with the three-dimensional chess bullshit.

I mean, I think a lot of people have stopped with that

at this point, but there are still some people out there

who should know better, who keep saying,

like, he's doing this because of that.

And I think, no, he's just, he's just not right in the head.

And on top of which, he's, you know, sundowning.

So you put that together and, and you end up with this.

It is interesting, though, to, you know,

like, oil is so expensive.

And now he's, you know, he clearly tackled.

But, I mean, we shouldn't even say tackled

because like it was another civilization

that he threatened to annihilate for seemingly no reason.

So is it a taco or is it just like a came to your senses?

But oil and gas, really expensive.

Like, really, really expensive.

And, you know, there's this Goldman Sachs prophecy

of oil at $200 a barrel.

Like, there is not, this could keep going.

And while this is happening, Donald Trump canceling

when solar, clean energy that could be quite useful at this moment.

Yeah, again, but it will make money for his, you know,

buddies in the oil industry and stuff like that.

And, and again, I do think saying distraction

from the Epstein files, again, there's, there's some truth to that.

But not, not as a whole, as a whole, it's,

how can I help me and my buddies get richer?

Right. Yeah, I really think beyond everything else,

that is the, the sort of motivation, you know,

whatever motivation he has left in his little body.

Right. It's the top to say.

When he gets up in the morning is, is kleptocratic.

It's how can I enrich myself?

How can I enrich, you know, my, my friends?

And that's what, in my opinion, ultimately this,

this was all about that because for some reason,

again, not a rational or logical reason,

he thought that what he's doing now

would make him richer, would make Jared richer, and, et cetera.

Yeah, I think that's right.

And let me tell you,

was someday we're going to find out about all this shit

that's going on behind the scenes that's so illegal and sketchy?

Oh, yeah. I mean, we already know enough

to know that pretty much every single person

in this administration in a, in a just insane world

would not be walking around free in the future.

And like you said, that's just the stuff we know.

The deli shit, the stuff that, you know,

doesn't reach the level of billions of dollars of graft

and corruption, the stuff that's only like, you know,

a half million here, a couple million there,

that we don't, I mean, that's got to be just off the charts.

Yeah, no, I mean, a fair number of people

will go to jail, eventually, yeah, eventually.

Andy Levy?

Molly John first.

Will you come back?

Yeah.

Sky Perryman is the founder of Democracy Forward.

Welcome, welcome, Sky.

So could it be here.

Let's talk about where we are right now

with the midterms.

We know that voting is decentralized in this country,

so we know that Donald Trump has no power

over the midterms, but I'd love you to talk us through

why we're going to have safe free and fair midterms.

We're going to have safe, free and fair midterms

because lawyers are going to do everything they can

in court to prevent any type of subversion

of voting or the midterm elections.

And because people in this country

like the fact that we live in a democracy,

or we are supposed to be living in a democracy

and that people in this country

take the right to vote very seriously.

People are energized.

People of all political ideologies are energized.

They are upset about what they're seeing happen

in their communities and people are going to show up.

And people are going to show up in numbers

and they're going to resolve the American people

is going to show just like what you saw in Minneapolis.

You are going to see people show up

and refuse to allow this government

to take away something that is so sacred to all of us,

which is our right to vote,

and our community and our humanity with each other.

Now, that sounds good and that's what we're going to do,

but there's going to be a lot of work to make that happen.

And I don't want to minimize the work that we have to do now

all the way through the midterms,

beyond the midterms to make sure these votes are counted

and the elections certified

and that a new Congress is fully able to sit

and to come into being, that's going to be a lot of work.

I'm confident that the American people are up to the task

and I'm confident that the lawyers are up to the task.

What does that run up look like?

Well, right now, people are asking

is Donald Trump trying to, will he try

to undermine the midterms?

And the answer is he is already doing that.

Right.

So we know a few things.

We know that the Department of Justice

has been trying to get voter roll data

and voter rolls from states that every single court

that has looked at these issues has said that there is no basis

for the Department of Justice to be demanding.

These voter rolls, if that's playing out in the courts

and the courts are doing the right thing

and the lawyers are doing the right thing

by bringing those cases.

In one of our cases at Democracy Forward,

the government has had to reveal in public dockets.

It has had to admit that Doge team members last year

had access to sensitive social security data

and that a Doge team member signed a voter data agreement

with a third party organization

that has been involved in questioning state election results.

So that was happening as early as last year.

Is that cyber ninjas?

The government has not yet said what group it is,

but we are demanding discovery.

We file a separate lawsuit to demand more information.

We're investigating this through all the ways we can

and we're gonna get to the bottom of it

and you'll see throughout the summer,

you're gonna see litigation and investigatory demands

and a range of the tools that we have

and at other groups have to really shed light

on what's happening and to start challenging it now.

We don't have to wait until the midterms

when we know many of these things are ongoing.

So it's gonna look like that

and then you're gonna see the president do things

in his fear-mongering way.

This week he threatened that he was gonna use

nuclear weapons.

You're gonna see him continue to try to distract people.

You're gonna see him continue to potentially try

to deploy the National Guard to polling places.

That's against the law.

It would be blocked, but you may see that effort

and then you'll see ICE.

This is why the administration wants so much funding

for ICE.

They wanna be able to deploy ICE and mask agents

around the country to scare people

and lawyers will have to go to court to stop that.

But our communities also will step forward

just like we saw in Minneapolis, communities will step forward

and be there and protect each other,

engage in that mutual aid.

Everything that we're seeing is the best of this country

come out in this crisis.

So the place that this administration

has really been losing its supports.

Besides, it's not popular what they're doing,

but they've really been losing the courts.

I would love you to explain to us a little bit

about what losing in the courts is looking like.

You know, sort of what cases are losing

and what the landscape looks like again.

Yeah, I mean, it's really unbelievable, Molly.

You know, it's been about we've been here and doing,

we've been up this year and a few months now.

You've seen over 700 federal court litigation's filed

and that does not include all the immigration detention

cases or all the civil service cases.

It is the largest effort because of how the administration's

operating that we've seen legally.

And you're seeing the administration lose 70 to 80%

at the time, even with the way they try to go to the Supreme

Court, they're still losing so much of the time,

including before judges that President Trump

himself appointed.

So the texture of what this looks like now has taken

on a new life just in the last few months,

where DOJ can't keep up with the amount of unlawful actions

that the president's taking in the amount of lawsuits

that are being filed.

And so you're seeing DOJ come into court

and sometimes not even answer the complaints

and judges have to issue orders because DOJ

doesn't even have a response, doesn't have a defense,

doesn't have a response to what the president's doing.

You're seeing the Department of Justice

abandoned appeals on big cases that we won.

So we won a big case before a judge that President Trump

himself appointed against the administration

and Stephen Miller's effort in the Department of Education

to stamp out racial justice and racial studies, DEI,

was a dear colleague letter, it was issued last year,

we challenged it, won a court order,

they said they were gonna appeal it,

took an aggressive stance, they didn't appeal it.

They walked back their appeal,

meaning that we've been able to preserve funding

for K through 12 and higher ed on these critical issues.

So you see that happening across the board.

At first we thought that would only happen

in cases that maybe the White House

didn't really care that much about,

but we're seeing it happen on some of these big priorities.

And so you're seeing that.

And then you see the administration lose

because of the words that the president

and other administration officials use.

So they make their case weaker

because we'll go sue and say you're retaliating against,

you know, the nation's pediatricians.

You don't like what they have to say about vaccines

or about child health, you're retaliating against them.

And before the Department of Justice

can really make their defense,

RFK Jr goes out on, you know,

Twitter or through social or X or whatever,

and it admits he's retaliating against them.

And so we see that all the time.

We always say, let them talk and let them tweet

because we'll probably win in those instances.

So that's looking good.

Now, I'm not trying to minimize the harm

that so many people in the country are facing,

that communities are facing.

Many communities have been harmed

by the Supreme Court shadowdocket,

which has put a pause on some of the court orders

that we've won in a way that's really been harmful.

But by and large, the courts are protecting

the American people in pretty extraordinary ways.

Gambondi is out, say more.

I mean, look, I think it's all the things that have been said.

I mean, she obviously has a legacy

at the Department of Justice that will be marked

by everything from incompetence to cruelty

to actually taking action against the very profession

that the Department of Justice represents

from member they went after unprecedented ways,

lawyers and law firms and have threatened judges.

But I'll also say that it doesn't matter,

you know, who the attorney general is.

It's not the Pam Bondi.

We heard that, you know, the president said,

well, he was upset the Pam Bondi wasn't able to prosecute

his enemies as aggressively as he had wanted to see.

That's not going to happen,

regardless of who is the attorney general,

because so much of what the administration has done is baseless

and doesn't have a real legal basis.

And so I do think that the administration

is playing damage control right now.

They're trying to distract people.

They're having a real bad series of weeks

because the American people aren't having it.

You had eight million people in the streets.

No kings, this rash of legal winds

that we're able to achieve right now

because they're breaking down in the courts.

But I also think that like the administration has a hard road,

ahead of it, and it doesn't have to do with who specifically

the attorney general is, it has to do with what they're trying

to do with the Department of Justice.

So we're watching it very carefully.

Todd Blanche, of course, has been hand in hand with Bondi.

So that's not a real market change

and how the department is going to operate.

And of course, many people thought that this departure was

because of the oversight that was happening

with the Epstein files.

And we see that today as we're recording this,

the Department of Justice has said

that Pambondi isn't going to show up to Congress

as she's required to do.

So I think that there'll be more to see

along those lines in the coming days.

What is the rationale for that?

Said she doesn't want it or is there some legal?

Yeah, no, there's not a legal basis for it.

They will want people to think,

well, now that she's not attorney general,

she doesn't have to come to Congress.

Well, Congress makes a lot of people come to Congress

and aren't attorney general.

And especially when the questions that they have

is about what happened in an official position,

it's absolutely the case that people need

to show up and answer questions.

So I believe you'll see a lot of efforts

to distract and to confuse people around this,

but she absolutely will need to appear.

And it'll be important that our lawmakers make her

and continue to push this issue.

We've seen Nancy Mays and Rokana say

that they will hold her in contempt of Congress

if she does not testify.

I know this from my grandfather.

You've naturally be jailed for contempt of Congress.

I mean, I know the Trump won't probably allow it,

but or he'll try to do something crazy about it,

but theoretically, at least that could happen, right?

Yeah, and I mean, this is where you have to sort of

look at what we've seen from this administration.

So we have not yet seen the administration operate

with like a level of courage or consistency.

So typically what happens is they say,

well, we're not going to do this and you say,

well, the law makes you do it and we're going to enforce the law.

And we've largely seen them at that point.

They come up with some rhyme or reason.

They go out and say a bunch of confusing things,

but they actually do show up and comply.

Now, I don't believe that they're lawful people.

I think they're lawless people,

but I think that they are a people in an administration

that is not impervious to public pressure.

And so it'll be interesting to see

how all of this plays out.

But you absolutely, there are very direct penalties

for being in contempt of Congress.

It's not something that anyone would recommend.

You had Steve Bannon, I think, sort of time

because of his refusal to cooperate with the process.

And we'll have to see what happens.

We'll have to see what happens there.

But one thing that we've wanted people to like understand here

is that what we've seen is that when people push back,

whether that's in the courts, whether it's Congress

pushing back, whether it's people showing up

and using their voice and making their phone calls

and getting in the streets, the administration often

doesn't really know what to do and it kind of wobbles around.

I mean, that's how we've been able to force them

to comply with court orders.

They'll go out and say, we're not going to comply

with the court order.

They try to not comply with the court order.

But then when you pull them back in and get them

in the room under oath, they haven't yet just really wanted

to, you know, they make up a bunch of arguments

about why they think they're compliant.

I mean, they haven't yet.

We haven't seen them take that next step.

We sure might, by the time this administration's over,

I'm not minimizing how lawless they are.

But some of this is really about the will of the people

and people and their lawmakers and the lawyers

and everyone having to just keep putting them

through their paces and forcing them to operate

within our system of laws.

So you're doing a lot of cases and you're winning a lot of cases.

But what cases do you think are not happening

that you think should be happening?

Or what is happening that you feel is so important?

So I think a lot of the cases that are happening

are really important and the challenge for us as lawyers

and the challenge for people that are able to support

legal work and organizations like Democracy Forward

or the ACLU or state AGs is we've got to keep them going

because, you know, the private bar,

and I was a member of private law firms for many years,

but they're not stepping up to the plate right now

and doing the work.

And so the fact that you have the largest

and most successful legal effort at this point

in administration's history,

this is being driven by empowered by people

and we've got to keep moving.

So I think the cases we're doing are super important.

One, that I like to highlight,

the administration's immigration agenda,

I really don't like to call it an immigration agenda.

It's really an autocratic power grab

that they try to use immigration as the excuse,

but it has gone very poorly for them overall.

I mean, we're winning.

There was a big headline in the LA Times

over the weekend about just how the rash of legal losses

the administration has experienced.

The retaliation cases, the president saying,

you can't say that.

I'm gonna put you on a list.

Those are all the administrations losing those.

We want people to understand that

so they don't feel as afraid.

And then the funding case is trying to weaponize

the federal government against, you know,

and everything from snap beneficiaries

to, you know, homeless housing projects.

You know, we've been able to largely win

along those cases.

I think cases that aren't happening

and it's not for a lack of trying.

It's for some of the weaknesses in our laws

are the administration is deeply corrupt

and the government is deeply corrupt at this point.

And the president's family is seeking to profit

off of the presidency.

And all of these things that have been,

well, regardless of both political parties

that have been sort of held sacred

in terms of this public service,

this administration doesn't get that

and they're operating with just levels

and levels of corruption.

We are gonna bring cases and we have brought cases

to get at that.

We were gonna start looking at private actors

that are out in the world

benefiting from the president's corruption

to see what levels of accountability we can see there.

But when there is the next governing moment,

it is gonna be important for the United States

to put in place more protections

against broad scale government corruption.

Our nation was set up for the government

to actually not want corruption

and to want to root out corruption.

And this administration has taken away all those levers,

the inspectors general, the office of special counsel,

they weakened all these levers

and they've left a big gaping hole

where a lot of corrupt activity can happen.

Now, I believe a lot of that activity is criminal.

I think a lot of that activity

can be litigated in the civil system,

but it is not easy and we need to be able

to build and bring more of those.

You'll see us do that in the days ahead

but we'll also need a nation

that after we get through this moment says

enough is enough, we're never gonna let this happen again

that puts in place stronger guardrails there.

Yeah, very, very true.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, sky.

Thanks for having me.

And now no more we post a story.

Jesse Cannon.

Somali, a lot of us are finding this pretty disturbing

and the DOJ is really up at the end

now showing they're actually seriously gonna go

after Cassidy Hutchinson for her testimony

during the January 6th trial.

Yeah, but look, they are gonna go after everyone, right?

They're gonna go after Cassidy Hutchinson,

they went after Alvin Bragg,

they've gone after, they're just gonna keep going

after people, but here's the good news.

It doesn't work because you cannot get juries

to indict these people because this is not,

we're not a banana republic yet.

And this is sort of the problem,

Trumpism keeps running into is that like we have norms,

we have a system which keeps our crazy president in check.

I mean, as much as anything, though it doesn't totally work,

but they're gonna go after her.

And now you think Cassidy Hutchinson

is a really great example because she's young,

she doesn't really have money,

they're really targeting her in the hopes of scaring her

and getting her to feel like there's no one to protect her.

It's appalling, it shows how terrible they are,

but it's also really transparent.

So I don't think it's gonna work for them.

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