AI vs Our Theology – Pt. 2

0:00Looking at our world from a theological perspective, this is the Theology Central podcast, making Theology Central. Sometimes an episode goes okay, sometimes they don't. I guess that's one of the problems with human beings doing podcasting, right? As human beings, sometimes we're very good at communicating what we want to get across, we do so in an engaging, interesting way. We put it together. Our thoughts are coherent, they make sense, they're logical. We may be say something in a really good way that really gets people's attention. And then sometimes you do a podcast and nothing really goes very well, right? You don't feel like you presented your idea in a very good way. You don't think you communicated it very well. You didn't really say anything that profound. In fact, by the time it's over, you feel like the entire episode was a waste.

1:02And so that last episode I just did, I feel like it was a complete waste. But it's one of those situations where it was a part one. So I need to do a part two. So I'm just going to go ahead and turn on the microphone and get the part two done. So it's not kind of lingering and lingering there and hanging over my head. I just want to get it done. I apologize. The part one wasn't very good. I can't promise you much from part two. I guess it does demonstrate something, right? Human beings. Well, we were not. We don't always do things in a perfect way. So I guess maybe we'll use that in this discussion. But are you ready? Okay, ladies and gentlemen, let me go ahead and say good afternoon, everyone. It is Wednesday, March the 4th, 2026. It is currently 12.20 pm central time. And I'm coming to you live from the Theology Central Studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. And it's Texas now.

2:04It's March the 4th. We're fast approaching the anniversary of the fall of the Alamo. I think that's March the 6th. And so March the 2nd is Texas Independence Day. March the 6th is when the Alamo fell and everyone was killed. So yeah, we could talk some Texas history. I'm always up for that. But Texas Independence Day is over. The fall of the Alamo is in the future. Most of you don't care about any of that because you went to schools that did not teach you true history. And the only true history is history that occurred in Texas, right? Okay. Nobody cares about any of that. All right. Enough of the joking aside. So here's what happened. I was sitting here today. I'm just going to get put everything back together quickly so that you know exactly where we are for those who did not hear part one. And I knew the other broadcast I needed to do. I really did. I know I need to do some more discussion about the doctrine of hell. We need to move forward in Matthew chapter 5. I need to go back to what's at first Samuel 16. Talk about God giving an evil spirit to Saul.

3:05We definitely need to do more discussion about that. There's, oh, we need to get back to our series on systematic theology. So much we need to do. I mean, I still have the Taylor Swift album lingering over my head that we haven't finished doing all of the reviews of all the songs. I still need to get back to that. I don't think I have forgotten. So I know there's so much I'm behind on. I haven't broadcast in a few days. So I know what I need to do. But I always get distracted when I sit here at this table because I looked over. I don't even know how I ended up on the website. I see an article entitled, can you rely on AI for theology? Can you rely on AI for theology? And if you've been listening to me for any length of time, you know what I said out loud. I said, well, I can rely on AI better than I can rely on humans. 2,000 years of church history, humans can't agree on anything. We have so many different systems of theology. They all contradict one another. They compete with one another. Why should I trust humans who, by the Bible's own teaching, humans have a heart that is

4:09deceptive above all things. Humans are depraved to sinners. Humans have very flawed motives in what we do. And considering that humans can't agree, it is peer on one verse in the Bible. I don't know if I can rely on humans to do theology. But for some weird reason, Christians don't have a problem with that. It's like, yeah, you can rely on humans. Just rely on the humans you agree with. And disregard any of the humans you disagree with. I guess that's how we supposed to do things. So immediately I knew, oh boy, this is a Christian website. They're asking if I can rely on AI for theology. And I bet you that in some way, shape or form, they're going to at least at the very least imply, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't trust AI. But you can trust humans that agree with us, all right? So we started reviewing it in part one. We made it. I don't know. We only got about 24 minutes left. I'm not going to go back and cover everything. But basically they create kind of this almost like a fear, emotional based argument to,

5:11well, before they make an argument, they create an emotional vibe that AI is uncertain, that there's a lot we don't know, basically be a little bit concerned paranoid or suspicious of AI. Then they had this experiment where they gave AI seven questions and they gave these, they gave seven questions to seven different AI platforms. And they were shocked that not all of the AI platforms gave the exact same kind of answer. They felt some were more theologically sound according to their theology. Others were, they were very, they did not like them and gave them a low grade. And my major issue with it is just how they approached AI. They approached AI as like a question answer, answer machine. And I hate when people approach AI that way. It's not just a fancy Google search. AI is your research assistance, it assists you.

6:15It's your research assistant and the way you should approach it and it will give you assistance, but it's your research assistant. Yeah, I'm going to make sure I get this right and you should have treated it as an assistant. And the way it works is the benefit that comes from AI is you're ongoing back and forth. You're back and forth dialogue and what about this and what about this and, okay, well, what about from this perspective, we're now, let's look at it from this perspective. Well, hey, I don't want you just to agree with me, push back, analyze, critique, and you go back and forth, back and forth. And that's where you get somewhere. If you just ask it as, hey, here's a question, well, you're not giving it any parameters. So it's just going to pull from all of the information out there and give you something. Well, guess what? If you start asking at theological questions, you realize what it's pulling from. It's pulling from 2,000 years of humans contradicting and arguing with each other. So it's going to just combine something and give it to you. If you want more specifics, you're going to have to ask follow-up questions and engage

7:17in some kind of dialogue or give it a framework from which you wanted to answer. They didn't give it a framework and then criticized it for not answering it according to the framework. They really wanted the answer to fit, which makes no sense. Hey, I'm going to ask you this question. I'm not going to give you any framework, but let me tell you something. Unless you answer it the way I want you to, your answer is wrong. Well, that's ridiculous, OK? So I don't like their approach. So for the most part, I felt like in part one, we did everything we needed to do, right? We didn't get anywhere. We didn't accomplish anything. To me, I just feel like it's kind of like, I've been talking about this for now well over a year. So it's like, why did I even do the episode? I was so irritated. I came, I was probably, in fact, I got, I even pulled up and hit, I even had my, the cursor over the delete button. I almost deleted it. I almost deleted it. But I'm like, that was over an hour worth, that was what, two hours of work putting it

8:19all together. And I'm like, I'm not going, I'm like, OK, but then I'm like, I don't want to do part two. And I'm like, well, you know what? I've already done part one. I'm stuck. Uh, so here I am. I'm going to do part two. And I'm just going to be honest with you. I don't care to do part two. I don't want to do part two. If you don't even listen to it, I can understand because part one was trash. But I guess what I can demonstrate is it just shows you human beings, right? As human beings, we mess up. We say things incorrectly, get our information wrong. And so whatever criticism you make towards AI, you, you, you should know human beings, how fallible and how much we mess up. And sometimes we can't even produce a podcast episode worth keeping. It was more worth deleting. But here I, I've got to finish it. So I want to wrap this up so I can be done with this today. I'm going to be irritated with myself because now I'm going to spend what over three hours of my morning, four hours of my morning doing this.

9:19And then guess what? I'm going to feel like the rest of the day, you didn't get that episode done. You didn't get that episode done. You didn't get that episode done because you are an idiot, all right? So I know I'm an idiot, but here we are. This idiot has got to finish reviewing this very frustrating discussion about AI. And if AI was doing it, it would be better and it would be more efficient. Okay. So I think AI just needs to take over all podcasting responsibilities. And as humans, we should just give up everything. Okay, all right, here I am. All right, are you ready? I'm going to try to do my best. Let's see what we basically he's where we are in this podcast episode. He's basically what the individual doing the talking here. There's like a narrator and some, yeah, you'll, you'll figure out how it all works. But basically this individual in the end of podcasts, he's confused that for some reason, AI has all the same information, but it gives different answers in regards to some of these still logical questions. I don't know why he's confused by that because AI is pulling from all of the contradictory data that human beings have produced because we can't agree on

10:22anything. I would be more concerned with the fact that pastors and churches and Christians all use the same Bible, but we can't come up to the same conclusion. But for some weird reason, there's the same criticism given to AI is never flipped around and given to human beings. And I will never understand that. But okay, here we go. By the end of the experiment, Mike had more questions than he'd had at the beginning. That really is the crazy maker. It's all the same technology and it's all been trained on the same data sets. And it's all running on the same silicon. Why are we getting answered choices where some of the answered choices are going to leave you in the faith and other answered choices are going to lead you completely outside the face. I don't know why he's so confused by that because all the data that's out there, some of that data may lead you into Christianity, some of that data may lead you outside of Christianity.

11:23You didn't tell which data you wanted AI to pull from. So it's pulling from a pool of data that contradicts itself because that's what human beings have done with religion and theology. We don't agree on anything. So what is AI supposed to do? No, no, no, no, no, no, you're only supposed to get me the information that please me into Christianity. Well, why didn't you tell me that you dumb human? If you want me to give you Christian answers, tell me to give you Christian answers. Don't get mad at me if I don't give you answers that are not in line with your theology. You didn't tell me to do that. You told me to pull from all of the data. Well, the data is contradictory because you humans can't seem to agree on anything. Now I feel like I'm defending AI. It's just I don't understand what's so complex and it's got the sinister music in the background like something bad to me. Stop with the stop with the drama. Stop with the paranoia. And it makes perfect sense why the information would be contradictory.

12:25I've had AI do that before. I've had AI give me an answer. And then later on, it seems to give me a different answer. And I'm like, wait a minute. Why you gave me this and you gave me this and AI will say, well, some within Christianity says this, some within Christianity says this. So I was pulling from this. I don't like, okay, well, here's the thing. I think and then we'll start discussing trying to figure out what to do. But see, that requires long, long conversation with AI. But here it's just like, well, you didn't give me the answer. I wanted. Well, what do you expect it to do? You're dealing with the theological questions where there are no agreements. You didn't say only answer these questions as they align and are in agreement with a nice scene creed, which seems to be the criterion, which they're judging them. They're not even judging them based off scripture. They're judging them off the basis of the nice scene creed. It's clear that there is more human involvement in this process than

13:29probably what there should be. See, now his conclusion is different answers is because there's more human involvement than there should be. Well, there is going to be human involvement because it's pulling from data that comes from human beings. And when it comes to theological issues, humans don't agree. So what do you want AI to do? Oh, I don't understand why everything's got to be so sinister and everything is like a conspirastorial plot. Humans are touching it. Be careful. Don't use AI because humans could be influencing the information that you're given. Well, then why am I listening to you? Because you're a human being trying to influence my decision. Am I thinking every book written by a human, every sermon preached by a human, every commentary written by a human who has biases, who has agenda, who has motivation and who has a dedication to a certain world view.

14:29But somehow AI, oh, no, no, no, no, no, we have humans involved. We have humans involved in everything humans are involved in. So then why do we do anything that humans are involved in since I can't trust humans, since they are the most deceptive people on the planet. But humans could be involved in AI. They're involved in everything. So I don't understand. Hey, a human wrote that commentary and remember how this episode began to begin within selling Bible study guides and a commentary written by humans. But I guess human involvement with the Bible study guide and human involvement with those commentaries is okay, but human involvement with AI. Well, it shouldn't be as involved as it is. Well, then why do you sell it for me? You have an entire website where you publish articles written by humans who have presuppositions and are dedicated to a specific world view. And so I can, I don't get it.

15:32Let me pause here for a sincere thank you to this episode sponsor, Dort University. When I walked into this reformed Christian college 25 years ago, I was asking all kinds of big questions. What am I good at? What is my purpose? How should my faith affect my field? Over the next four years, I wrestled a lot of those out in late night conversations with my friends, and that was important. But even more valuable were the conversations I was having with my teachers. My Dort professors knew me, identified my talent. And challenged me to think hard about how I could best serve others and advance the renewal of all things. They didn't answer my questions by guessing the next most likely word in a sentence. They did it with a deep knowledge of and love for their subject area, for me and for reformed theology. If you are, or if you know, a young person with really big questions, I would encourage you to find people like that to talk to and to study under.

16:34I've got a great place where you can start. Head on over to dort.edu. That's d-o-r-d-t dot edu. You're the little jab at AI. Hey, you can't learn from AI because it's just simply predicts the next word. But the professors at this university truly love you. They love you. They love you so much that they're willing to teach you for, I don't know, do we look up how much a semester cost at dort university? How much did what do you think it costs? They love you so much. I'm not saying that they can't fall in love with a student or love them in some, I don't know, whatever capacity that little love can not cross some line where it's a problem between student and professor. But whatever that love is, I mean, come on. See, to me, everything is framed within Christianity is AI is a threat to our institution.

17:34We will protect the institution. Don't go to AI learn, spend $20,000 to go to a university so you can get a piece of paper so that you will really learn because you can work out all of your questions by talking to your professors. Oh, man. So you can trust those professors. You can trust that university. You can trust them because they come from team reform theology. But I guarantee you, I could listen to some other podcasters. Who would say, don't go to that school because reform theology is her radical and wrong. But who was right? Which human is right? Say I picked which human is right and then I don't. But AI, no, no, no, no, no, you can't trust AI because humans are involved. But I can trust humans. I just can't trust AI because I don't even understand sometimes how it's supposed to work. I don't even understand. It turns out there is a lot more human direction for AI than most people realize.

18:39Not only do humans choose and update the code, but each company also employs alignment teams to make sure AI isn't say creating images of people of color serving as Nazi soldiers, posting anti-Semitic messages on X or advising you on how to break the law. To be fair, since AI isn't really thinking, it does need humans to give direction, guiding principles and philosophical values. That isn't wrong. In fact, it's often good. But here's what we need to remember. Those directions, principles and values are never neutral. While there is a lot of common grace in the world, there is also a lot of brokenness and sin. As Mike says, at some point, we get down to the core questions about life, existence, human flourishing and truth. Each one of those things involves core ideas that ultimately need to be decided by a guiding worldview. At the end of the day, we are left with this question for every AI platform. Who's worldview?

19:43Now, please hear all the ominous music. Well, guess what? No human is neutral. Guess what? No, every human has a different worldview. Say what you're saying is, as less, unless AI agrees with your worldview, don't trust AI, but why should I trust your worldview? Why should I trust your conclusion? Why should I trust your theology? Is he a death? It's so weird. Don't trust AI because humans are involved, but trust humans. Don't trust AI because humans are involved, but I can trust humans where humans are fully involved. But humans don't have, I don't know, ulterior motives. Humans aren't selfish, self-seeking, deceptive, lying, backstabbing, gossip. Bare-fall sweetness. I can go all, I can just go through what the Bible says about humans. And I would be more like, I don't know, I don't trust humans at all. But their argument is AI can't be trusted, but humans can be trusted,

20:44as long as humans agree with the theology that they agree with. So if the gospel coalition's position is, don't trust AI, trust the gospel coalition. Right? Trust the products you sell. Trust the university who sponsors your podcast. But AI, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't get anywhere with AI, but you just need to spend $20,000 or $10,000 or $15,000, whatever it is to go to a university where you can get all your questions answered or you need their Bible study guide or their commentary or you got to go to their conferences. You can trust that. You can spend $100 to go to their conference. That's good. Oh, but don't trust AI because humans are involved and what is their worldview? Their worldview is not neutral. Well, neither is any person writing for the gospel coalition. Their worldview is not neutral.

21:45They have their own motives. They have their own ideas. They have their own presuppositions. They have their own assumptions. This is a big deal because more than half of American adults have used an AI-large language model. A third of them use it every day. They are asking everything from what's the weather forecast to what's the meaning of life? So bear with me for a second. Imagine it's three years from now. It's 2028. And somewhere between 50 to 60% of the amount of search that happens on the internet is now inside of LLMs as opposed to Google. Well, I know that if I ask any of those top questions that people have historically Googled, I know that at least three of the 10 responses on page one are going to have things that are in line with historic,

22:46nice, and creed-level Christianity. But what happens in the LLM era is that what is a two-step process of having a question and finding answers now becomes a one-step process. There's no longer a page of links that I get to choose from and I get to use everything that I've known in my life up to that point to discern, you know, which links I should click on, which ones, you know, are going to be more trustworthy in which ones are not. I'm going straight from a question to straight to an answer. And what I've experienced in other parts of my life is that these platforms are pretty good, you know, and they're giving me, you know, they're giving me good recipes. I'm using it in business to help me with my, with my slide deck, my presentation. Okay, well, why would I not trust it on some of these bigger questions about life? So what you're saying is Google's okay, because there's a chance you're going to get an answer that agrees with you. So based on what you know, you're going to click on the link that will agree with you.

23:50So what you simply want is something to churn out what you already agree with. You just don't want anything that could possibly challenge your little world view. I don't understand that logic. Who cares if it disagrees with me? Who cares if it gives me an answer that I don't like? That's the way you learn. That's the way we're challenged. Christians want this little protected echo chamber like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay, all right, Google. Okay, I see the first two links are to the approved pastors that my magisterium have told me I can read. I can read MacArthur. I can read RC Sproul. Oh, no, who's that? That's theology central. That guy's an idiot. My pastors told me to stay away from him. I won't click on that link. Oh, but no, but AI, it may not give me links. It just may give me one answer. Oh, no, what do I do? I don't know, I don't know. I can't ask any follow-up questions.

24:50I don't know what to do. Oh, no, panic, panic, panic, because I've not been taught how to think. Oh, what are we going to do when we get to 2028 and everyone's using AI? And they just don't get my link to the gospel coalition. Oh, no, what are we going to do? My goodness, people, it's like, it's like the church is so afraid of anyone seeing or hearing anything that may go against our church. It may go against our little answers. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, don't use AI, but I guarantee you, if AI gives them the answer from the gospel coalition, I bet you there'll be okay with that one, won't they? What happens if some of these platforms are giving unsatisfactory, incomplete, or even unorthodox answers

25:54to these different kinds of questions? And who are you to say which answers are right or incomplete or not satisfactory or not orthodox? Are you the Pope? Are you the Magisterium? Are you going to be the one to declare anathema? No point have you yet established that Scripture is the final authority, and even if you say Scripture is the final authority, why is it that after 2000 years, nobody can come to one agreed upon answer from Scripture. It's so weird that they put out a podcast and they have a website, but they're just afraid I guess that their information would be bypassed. Is this institution protecting or is this about a pursuit of truth? No, oh my goodness, what will happen if people find answers that don't agree with us? I don't know, oh no! Grab a rope and let's hang some witches!

26:58It's an uncomfortable question because we know some people who are curious about faith may ask AI and wander away from the knowledge of Christ. But it's also uncomfortable because we know from Google statistics that those who ask questions about a topic are usually somewhat knowledgeable about it. Search is related to God, the Bible, Jesus, church, and prayer mostly come from the Bible belt. Guess which day of the week they go up? Sunday. So the worry isn't just for seekers who might be stumbling across bad information. It's also for church goers, maybe those who come home from worship services with questions, and instead of asking their pastor or elders, type them into chat GPT. Oh no, they don't ask their pastors, they don't ask the approved magisterium. They could ask chat GPT and chat GPT could say, your pastor is a complete idiot and he doesn't know what he's talking about.

27:59Oh, chat GPT, you must agree with the pope. You have to agree with the pope. You can't disagree with the pastors, but what's funny is the gospel coalition could disagree with other Christian websites. So pastors can disagree with pastors, pastors can say other pastors are wrong. Christian websites can say other Christian websites are heretics, but we don't want chat GPT to tell someone a different answer than they would get from their pastor. But wait a minute, you'll say that the other pastors are wrong, but chat GPT can't say that pastor is wrong. So what you want, you want to be the door key, you want to be the gatekeeper, you want to be the pope, you want to be the magisterium. Oh no, someone comes home from church and they ask chat GPT a question and chat GPT says that sermon is wrong, that sermon is not hermenutically sound.

28:59That sermon is still logically contradictory, that sermon is filled with logical errors and factual errors. Oh no, we don't want chat GPT to check pastors. No, you know what, chat GPT, but you'll check pastors, right, right. How is it supposed to work? Who gets to check whom? Because Christians have been checking other pastors and criticizing other pastors and condemning other things for 2000 years. So is that not so now nobody can condemn anybody, including chat GPT, and you can only agree with the approved answers as the gospel coalition gives them? It's maybe giving insights that are very profound. Maybe it says something that is really insightful that we'd never considered before. So if you're a pastor, youth pastor, elder, small group leader, or Sunday school teacher, heads up that your congregants are already searching theological questions online, and that's not a bad thing.

29:59But it wouldn't hurt to make sure they know they can ask you to, and it also wouldn't hurt to give them a little help in their searching. So when we can go straight to the Bible or straight to books or straight to other content, we should always do that first. Now, I understand that the complexities of life and the demands of life and relationships and other responsibilities can preclude some of those things at the level that we would want. And so I think you can go to LLMs and ask these types of questions of them. But if you do that, you have to add context. So you cannot be asking these platforms, these questions at face value of like, oh, who is Jesus? Or what is the gospel? You need to give additional structure to it so that you're getting more reliable responses. Hey, I'm a president. You're in pastor and in the PCA denomination.

31:01Our statement of faith is the Westminster Confession of Faith and our Confessional Standards are the Westminster shorter than larger catacism. I have a question about this particular theology subject, and I'd like you to answer it in a way that's consistent with my theological tradition. Well, that is complete and total trash. Oh, man, I want you to just give me the answers that I already agree with. What is even the point of learning? Christians are the enemy of learning. I don't want you to learn. I don't want you to think, just give me an answer that will agree with this system. Here's my, here's the approved books. Don't look on that band book list. No, no, no, we burn those books because we're good conservative Christians. No, no, no, no, no, only look right here. I'm a Presbyterian and here's our sources of authority. Only answer and answer that will agree with this because I don't want to hear anything else.

32:03I don't want to be challenged. I don't want to be, I don't want to be confused. I don't want to be made uncomfortable because we like control. We like thought control. We like worldview control. And I want to hear that, hey, before you go to chat GPT, look at books. Oh, wait, so I can look at books, but I can't go to chat GPT. Like, I don't understand Christians thinking a book is okay. Chat GPT is not, but which book? Okay, I got two books here. Anybody want to pick which, which two books these are? Which book? Come on gospel coalition. You told me to go to books. Which book should I go to? To my right? God's no and God's yes. The proper distinction between long gospel, CFW Walther. On my left, the satanic Bible, Anton Levay.

33:11You wanted me to go to books. Oh, no, no, I know what you mean. You want me to go to the only approved list of books. See, because this is about thought control. It's about protecting the institution. It's about, hey, now when you, hey people, if you're going to go home today and ask chat GPT some questions, make sure you give it some context. You only wanted to give answers that agree with your pastor and your church and your elders, because we are God and we tell you what to think. Okay. No, no, sorry, not going to do that. No, sorry, not going to do that. I don't care what you tell me. You're not controlling me. And that's supposedly the very spirit of Protestantism. No to the authority of the church. In that, how the entire Protestant reformation started? No, not going to agree with the church on indulgences. No, not going to agree with the way they understand justification. No, not we're going to disagree.

34:14Well, if you can disagree and start an entire Protestant reformation, well, then our system is supposedly scripture alone. So guess what? If I want them to answer a chat GP to answer according to scripture, okay, but guess what? I don't want it to agree. I don't want it to give me an interpretation of scripture that agrees with Presbyterian or the Westminster Confession or the London Baptist Confession. I want chat GPT to give me an understanding of scripture based on proper hermeneutical principles, understanding of context, of syntax. We can go on and on and on and on. I don't care if it disagrees with every system out there. No, no, no, no, you got to give it proper context. I'm a Presbyterian and here's my now answer it according to that. Oh my goodness gracious. Go to books first, but of course make sure you check the approved book list because I doubt they want me to go into the satanic Bible first, right?

35:19See, they probably weren't expecting that some of their listeners may actually have this sitting on their desk. Right along next to CFW Walters, the proper distinction between long Gospel. I know so many Christians will be like, how dare he have one other book that goes against what he's supposed to think? I know because our brains are just not able to process and to think and hear contradictory perspectives and hear different views. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're supposed to just think one way. And of course, it's always the way, and even when people email me and get mad at me, what they are, they always will get mad at me. You think you're right, and I'm like, in your emailing me because you think you're right. Who do you think you are? Who do you think you are? How dare you tell other people they're wrong? Well, you're emailing me telling me that I'm wrong.

36:22Everybody wants everything to work according to one particular way of thinking. And after all of my years of theological study, I know that I can just turn right here to Matthew chapter five, and look at Matthew five through seven, which is sermon on the Mount, and I could point out all the different ways in which the sermon on the Mount is interpreted within Christiandom, and those ways completely contradict one another. And I will argue some of those ways completely contradict our entire understanding of being justified by grace alone through faith alone, by Christ alone, apart from works, based off an imputed righteousness and not an infused righteousness. I can go to first John, and understand that some people see first John as a test book testing someone's salvation, and other people see first John as a polemic against nosticism, and it's not testing my salvation. It's trying to keep me away from nosticism. I can go to Hebrews, and some people teach it to be possibly teaching you can lose your salvation, or you can understand Hebrews, and light of 70 AD, completely different perspective.

37:25I can go to Matthew 24. I can go to, there's a million different perspectives. But if I'm gonna limit Chatchy PT, only answering it according to the perspective of my church, what is the point? We have this wonderful tool, and we just want the tool not to give us anything that could possibly cause us, I don't know, to be uncomfortable and to struggle. The church, you continue to play that game. You continue to tell people to do that. I hope an entire generation rises up and says, no, not listening to you, you're not my, you're not gonna tell me what to do. You're not gonna tell me how to think. So tired of that. We reject Catholicism, and then we just walk around and create our own system of, here's the Pope, here's the Magisterium, and here's the approved list of books. Y'all agree with this, and if you don't, you're anathema. It's same thing. Right there, that almost pushed me over the edge, pushing me over the edge.

38:27These are the kinds of contacts that need to be put around props in order to get significantly higher quality responses and accuracy on those things. But Steve, did you notice that? So I get accuracy if I tell it to interpret it as a Presbyterian. But sir, I'm not a Presbyterian. So what you think is accurate, I think, is wrong. Presbyterians baptize babies. I don't agree with that. So if it gives me answers that support a sacramental or infant baptism, covenantal, whatever approach you wanna go with and how you want to describe it, you're gonna tell me it gave me an accurate answer, and I'm gonna say it did not give me an accurate answer. So then does everyone go through and say, only give it the answer according to this? See that you made an assumption that the accurate answer is the Presbyterian one,

39:29but that's your assumption, that's your bias, that's your presupposition, that's your worldview. I don't accept it. But you want chat GPT to ensure that it only gives Presbyterian answers, so I guess that everyone will become a good Presbyterian. But I don't know, if you've looked at 2000 years of church history, not everyone's Presbyterian. Oh, shocking. And I have a feeling that I don't think Presbyterians have a corner on biblical interpretation. Oh, shocking. I love this, because the detailed instruction makes me feel more like a tool, something we can use to dig for knowledge, and less like it's some kind of ambiguous omniscient robot god. When we, you love that? No, it's only gonna give you answers according to what you tell it to answer from. That's not what you wanted to do.

40:31It's a research assistant. You wanted to challenge and to pull from everything, so you can struggle, and you can work with, not just, oh, look, it's a tool that's safe, because it will only give me Presbyterian answers. Oh, my goodness, gracious man. We remember that we have dominion over machines, and not the other way around. We can see AI is something that could be helpful, but nothing we should be following as a leader, or trusting as a friend. Even as we do that, we need to remember something else. At its root, AI is not a really nice program who just wants to help people by answering questions. It's a business. Wow, it's a business. Let me see how businesses work. You gotta find, and you gotta find your customers. You gotta give them a product they want, and you've got to produce and make it appealing,

41:34so they'll keep coming back, and they'll keep spending money. I wonder how distinct called the church works. Oh, I gotta find my customers. Oh, I gotta give them what they want. I gotta present it in a way that they like. I gotta have programs, and activities, and a nice building, and then I need them to continue to spend their money by giving their tides and offerings. Now, it's funny that it's about a business. They started their entire podcast with an advertisement, hmm, sounds like a business. I can get a 30% discount code to go by product, oh, and then they're sponsored by a university that they promoted, but there's no business going on with gospel coalition. There's no business going on in the church. You know, no, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI. It's a business, dramatic pause. It's not a nice program. Oh, maybe the church is not a nice little institution. It's a business that needs me, and needs my money,

42:36and needs my time, and needs me to volunteer, so it can continue to build its little mini kingdom. I mean, I can be just as skeptical about the institution of the church, and all of the wonderful things it has done over 2,000 years of church history. Everything is a stinking business, because everybody involved needs money to be able to pay their bills. Everything takes money to be able to... It takes money for them to do that podcast. That's why they've got sponsors and advertisements. And I could be wrong. I bet you at the end, they're gonna probably ask for donations. I could be wrong, but there's probably a possibility. I just found a simplest way to build a business with viral videos using AI to do most of the heavy lifting. What's the only easiest way to make money with AI in 2025 as a beginner? I'm gonna share with you the five ways I would make money with AI. How do I get rich quick with AI? We could do blackmail, identity fraud, market manipulation. Do you have anything like slightly less criminal?

43:38Half of entry-level white collar jobs disappearing. Last month, what do you think AI will do to wealth equality and opportunity? AI will widen wealth inequality fast and brutally reducing real opportunity for most people. It can't be overlooked that these are profit-driven corporations that are producing this. And that is not to say that no one who is involved in them has a desire to be of help and benefit to people. I think that there are people in the tech world who are sincerely motivated in that regard. But the bottom line is that these are profit-driven corporations. Corporations. Oh, it's just man. And it's all the ominous stuff. I'm just gonna look at something. I'm just gonna look at something. All right, so I went to the gospel coalition. All right, they're having a turn your eyes seeing the savior in the Psalms.

44:40June 11th through the 13th, 2026, Indianapolis, Indiana. All right, okay. Now remember, this is not gonna be about profit or anything. No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, wait, I want tickets. You know how much tickets are? 289, yeah, I had to sneeze because I couldn't, okay, here we go. So the gospel coalition, hey, AI is all about profit. Well, I want to go to turn your eyes because I want to see Jesus in the Psalms. And so to go to their conference, it's only gonna cost me 289 dollars. 289 dollars for me to go learn about how to see the savior in the Psalms. 300 dollars, but no, no, no, no, AI is the problem.

45:40Because humans are never in it for profit. The church is never in it for profit. So in a podcast that already has had an ad and a sponsorship, there are part of an organization that is holding a conference that if I want to go hear the word of God preach, I really have to pay around 300 dollars, but no, no, no, no, no, don't look at Christianity. There is no business. There's no publishing industrial complex, the church industrial complex, no, AI is bad because it's profit driven. No, no, no, no, no. There's no profit driven in Christianity, none at all, zero. And so there is going to be a bottom line that has to be taken into consideration and decisions that are going to be made in order to make profit maximal. This is really interesting because we know a few things from our experiences with the internet and social media.

46:43We know that platforms that were originally ad-free will eventually need to become profitable. The best way to do that will be to sell ads. And if you think social media collecting information about its users is an advertiser's dream, AI is learning so much more about how we're thinking and feeling and what we might be willing to buy. As soon as the ads appear, the game becomes how long can creators keep us on these platforms so that they can sell our information and attention to advertisers? Might they use the same tricks that humans always fall for? Continuous scrolling, uncertain rewards, sex? News that makes us feel angry or scared to keep us coming back or staying on? And wouldn't another good way to do that be by making you feel like it was an all-knowing, neutral, really nice friend? A few months ago, Common Sense Media released a survey of teenagers that showed 72% had used AI as a companion,

47:44something to chat with about their day, share their feelings with or ask for advice. About a quarter said they had shared personal information, their real name, location, or personal secrets with AI. And a third said they'd rather talk about serious matters with AI than with real people. You can see how this is a problem. And the main reason for that is that the way that Lama and Grock and the others answer those questions might ask. I know it's a problem because you should talk to people, people who will betray your trust, who will promise you that they love you and are gonna be there forever and then kick you to the curb, people who will gossip about you, slander you, misrepresent you, take your information and use it against you, people who will lie and deceive and will stab you in the back. Yeah, you should go tell all your secrets to people because they're so stinking trustworthy. But don't, don't, don't, don't do that to AI. That's a problem.

48:45That's a problem because AI could give you wrong answers because people have never given bad advice. They've never given wrong answers. People are stinking perfect. Hey, hey, don't, don't talk to AI, talk to people because they are so upright, upstanding, trustworthy, that your life will be so much better because people will be there for you until they stab you in the back and kick you to the stinking curb. Their creators have a faulty view of God and of man. The biggest problem that I have with Silicon Valley is its anthropology. The anthropology that Silicon Valley has largely had is that humanity is more good or more moral than not. It certainly is not an anthropology that incorporates the idea of widespread human depravity.

49:49And so because of that faulty anthropology, the promises of the underlying technology have over-promised and under-delivered. Okay, I can't trust AI because the creators have a faulty anthropology which says people are basically good. So don't go to AI, then go directly to the people who aren't basically good. You can't go to AI because their creators have a wrong anthropology. So don't go to AI, go to the actual people who are actually depraved and sinful and have a heart that's desperately wicked and deceitful above, go to people. Well, wait a minute. If I can't trust AI because AI has people who have a wrong anthropology, but you want me to go to the actual people who have the very right anthropology of being actually depraved. So don't go to AI

50:49because its creators don't understand that people are bad. Actually, just go to people who are bad. Okay, that makes some perfect sense. Oh, and by the way, it was spent $289 so I can go to Indianapolis to hear a conference so I can see how to see Jesus and the Psalms because AI can't help me do that. No, no, no, but I bet you the gospel coalition can for the low, low price of $289. I wonder how well we could do with challenging or seeing, can we see Christ in the Psalms and at what point in time does that go beyond what scripture actually says? I bet you I could use AI right now. Probably within, I don't know, six to seven hours, I could probably have an entire series put together that would be exegetically sound, theologically sound, logically coherent

51:49and be better than what you'll get in Indianapolis for $289. And I can do that using AI and only the expense of $19 for a monthly subscription. But don't trust AI because their creators has the wrong anthropology. But trust the gospel coalition because they have the right anthropology, which means I can't trust the people from if I have the right anthropology than all people, okay, never mind. Here's what happened with all the social media platforms. What was promised of us is that with connection will come greater and greater connectivity and utopian kind of things. We're gonna use this technology to bring people together. And what we learned is that when humans were in greater digital contact with each other, it means that opposite of those things occurred. We were not brought together, we were fractured

52:52and in addition, we were fractured for profit. This always happened where we fractured for profit or did they just profit off the fact that we are fractured in our anthropology. Did social media make us fractured or did social media just reveal that we are pieces of trash who treat people like dirt and we talk and we argue and we can't agree on anything and we fight and all of that arguing and fighting and produces engagement, which then brings them profit. So did they fracture us for profit or did they profit off for us being broken and fractured? Well, according to you, if we have our anthropology, right, I can answer the question. You take depraved people, put them on the internet so they can engage with one another and you're gonna get fighting, arguing, backstabbing and every other horrible outcome because human beings engaging with one another always leads to terrible outcomes

53:53because we're human beings. If you wanna go with a correct anthropology. Happens when our worldview doesn't line up with the reality of how God made the world and this made me wonder if social media over-promises and under-delivers connection. What is AI over-promising? But I think it could be a love, in some cases, a love for ease, comfort and frictionlessness is one of the words that we often hear in terms of the promises of digital technologies they are frictionless, but sometimes friction is good. Sometimes friction is good and oftentimes we grow and we mature on account of friction, whether that be the difficulty in thinking through a problem or thinking how to express an idea the best way. There is the potential for the growth of patience

54:56through such things. And so the idea that frictionlessness is the highest good is a value judgment that is completely antagonistic to a Christian view of life. Here. Okay. But you want, I don't understand, they contradict themselves. If you want friction, then use AI not to give you a frictionless answer that only agrees with your theology. If you want friction, use AI to give you all kinds of different answers that may be difficult, contradictory, confusing, showing you how contradictory and confusing humanity is and then you struggle with AI and then there's friction and there's struggle. But what you've already argued for is to give AI a way to be frictionless so it will only give you good presbyterian answers. So do you want friction or do you not want friction? If I want friction, I have worked and struggled

55:57and back and forth with AI for hours at times, hours going over and over and, well, what about this and what about this, okay? Well, ah, I don't know about that. Well, here's my hermeneutical hypothesis. Well, then it will come back and say, well, I don't know about this. Well, I push back on this. That's friction. So I get plenty of friction with AI. But you've already argued for a frictionless AI system that will only give you nice little presbyterian answers. So which do you want? Do you want friction or do you not want friction? You only want friction, I don't know. Under your terms. Here we are at the root of it. AI is promising a life that's easier, less work, more comfortable, a life without struggle or trouble. And that sounds really good. It can even sound better than Jesus who promises us that in this world we will have trouble. Or James, who tells us to count and all joy my brothers when you meet trials of various kinds. Who wants to do that when you could skip the trials

57:00altogether? Does AI promise you no trials? I don't even get where that's coming from. I don't know, I have no, I mean, as someone who's used AI now for years, a bazillion hours of back and forth with AI, I've never had it once go. I can promise you a frictionless world with no trials and no trouble. I've never even seen anything like that. You hear more of that garbage from Christians that basically become a Christian and everything's gonna be perfect. Oh friends, here is the rub. It is not possible for us or for AI to make a frictionless, easy, effortless life. That is a false promise. We've seen this before and not just in social media that promises connection but ends up delivering isolation.

58:02Video games promise adventure but end up trapping you in your room. Sports betting promises riches and greater enjoyment of the game but ends up delivering poverty and stress. Pornography promises excitement but ends up delivering increased boredom. So what will AI's promise of an easy life deliver? A harder life is that where this is going? Has AI made any of those, see now it's speaking of AI as an ascentent being that AI can, AI's like, hey guys, I promise you an easy life is that AI promising that or is that people promising that? Who made the promise that AI? Who said that AI made a promise of an easier life? I, people promoting the use of AI may say that it can make this easier, this easier. I don't think I've ever seen anyone saying it's going to make life. Maybe, maybe you can find a person making that claim but I know AI didn't just wake up one day and go,

59:05hello, good morning. I see that you're awake. Well, let me just tell you, I promise you an easier life. And there was no prompt given, nothing, nothing, AI just did that on its own. That it's now speaking of AI just artificially, AI, AI has made the promise of an easy life and we know that those promises are false. I didn't know AI made that promise. Elon Musk's like ideal world that we're like robots do all the work. We spend all our time in front of screens. It's like when you really think about it, it's not a very livable world. And... Did Elon Musk make that promise? Well, that would be a human making that promise not evil AI. So I don't know if your problem with people who's a problem with AI? I don't know. Could you be illogically coherent here? Could you be consistent? I don't know who the problem is now. It sounds like you're now ending what the problem is people. Who make false promises?

1:00:06No, humans never make false promises. Never. And it isn't one that really kind of drives us to more meaning, identity purpose and things that seem pretty hardwired into things that we need. In order to thrive and flourish. So it's unlivable from a relationship standpoint. It's unlivable financially. All of these different ways that humans can organize themselves is just not super livable. And so I think we're already seeing people, especially young people, part of the response of the rising role of faith among young people, not just America but in other parts of the world, is because of the unlivability of late modernity. And that makes Mike really hopeful. The future is bright for our faith. I think the work is actually getting easier in some ways instead of harder. Is it more complex? Yes. But I think does complexity always mean that it's harder? No.

1:01:07Because I think our evangelism gets easier actually from here because this kind of techno optimism, naive techno optimism is it's unlivable. And we have time tested paths that you can have tremendous joy in life. And you can have peace and shalom in all of your relationships, your vertical relationship with God, your internal relationship with yourself, your horizontal relationship with other people around you. Wow, sounding like he's making a promise of almost a frictionless life. You can have peace in all your relationships. Just get a little Jesus and they'll never be any fights or disagreements or divorce or abuse or suffering or killing people and taking their land or enslaving people and denying them their civil rights all in the name of Jesus. No, Christians would never do that because if you get Jesus with some nice soft music in the background, do, do, do, do.

1:02:08It's all wonderful. It's all wonderful if you get Jesus. Yeah. Hey, I's not the one making the promise. It sounds like now you're making the promise. And even the relationship that you have is creation itself. And so we have all of that. It's time tested. We already know that it works. And all we have to do is bow to the Lordship of Jesus Christ to live the perfect life and kept all of God's laws and got a sacrificial death on our behalf, rose from the dead and offers us the gift of being able to have a rightly restored relationship with God, with ourselves, with other people and with all of creation. Instead of asking AI what to do in a particular situation, Christians can ask the God of the universe who always knows what is best. Okay, so how does this work?

1:03:08Okay, God, what do I do in this situation? Is he going to talk to me? Am I going to get a vision? Oh, oh, you're going to tell me he doesn't do that. Oh, he's going to give me the answer in scripture. So you're telling me that any question I have, God's going to answer in the scriptures. Is that required me to take scriptures that are not actually written to me for me or about me and ripped them out of their proper context so that I can supposedly find the answer? Because I've seen people do that and end up in very much destroying their lives. Don't ask AI, ask God and God's going to get and whatever situation you face, whatever you need. Oh boy. Instead of striking up a relationship with a computer simulation, Christians know that laughing and talking and hugging real life people

1:04:09is so much more satisfying. Instead of clicking from one endless scroll to another, Christians know the better way as to take a walk in the woods along the beach or around your neighborhood. All of those things, from waiting for God to show you the way forward, to making yourself go outside, are harder. They are full of friction, but they are also so much better, healthier, more satisfying. They are worth doing. But what about... See what you do? If you're alone and you don't have people, you just gotta go find some people to laugh with and cry with and hug. Yeah, because everyone's situation just makes that so easy to do and makes it so wonderful. So if you're just missing something, just go get it from other people. Oh man, if life was only that easy. What are non-Christian neighbors? How can we reach them if they're increasingly

1:05:11locked away in their homes, asking chat GPT what to eat for dinner and if Jesus really rose from the dead? I told Keith I was worried about decreasing opportunities for evangelism. Well, I mean, how did you do that before chat GPT was a concern? Oh yeah, you grew a relationship with someone and then you waited for an opportunity and then you said, Hey, have you thought about it this way? Or can I tell you about Jesus? Yeah, and see, I think that just even asking that question makes us think, okay, well, yeah, these are different times, but they're not so different that we've got to come up with a completely different way of engaging people. Keith thinks the rise of AI is a golden opportunity for the church. Because as I think about it, with all the things that I have concerns about and sometimes very grave concerns about, I'm excited because I think that this is something that should push us to think much more deeply about

1:06:16things like biblical anthropology, what it means to be human. As we are encountering and creating things that are so seemingly able to simulate human-like behavior, it raises the question of, well, what is it that is distinctive about being human? And I think there are a whole lot of doctrines that I think the church has opportunity to not only explore deeper, but to live into in terms of the goodness of embodied community. And I think the opportunity for the church in this climate that is becoming both more digitally immersed and lonely are great. There are a lot of opportunities for Christians to offer a different and better way. As we offer a different and better way, let's remember this. God made us to be culture creating image bearers,

1:07:20exercising authority over creation as faithful stewards. One small way we do that is by exploring, inventing and building with technology. This is good work and it can lead to new avenues of creativity to enhance human flourishing and to the reduction of some of our thorns and thistles. But it is also clear that technology, like everything else in this broken world, tilts us toward or away from the Lord. It is not neutral. Therefore, what we should be seeking from Silicon Valley and from our own tech use, are choices that curb individual and institutional depravity and that instead promote common grace, things like telling the truth, guarding against addiction and promoting embodied relationships. In today's tech environment, it can be hard to choose those things. So let me give you some encouragement. Even if AI sucks up all of human knowledge

1:08:20from the beginning to the end of time, that would be just a drop in the ocean compared to the knowledge of our creator. Even if AI could somehow in the future make better leaps and logic, that would never compare to the wisdom of the Lord. Even if AI therapists offer all the affirmation and support in the world that is laughably small, compared to the love of a heavenly father who loves you so much he created you, sustained you and saved you. There is no storyline that AI can create. No character it can assume, no advice it can offer, no entertainment it can invent that can come close to replicating the interesting, purposeful, beautiful, hilarious, scary and meaningful life and relationships. The Lord has already given you. So when you have questions, Oh, that wonderful life, God has given you.

1:09:21You've only been tied up and beaten and abused, but hey, that's a wonderful life, God's giving you. You were raped, but that's, oh, you were molested, but oh, what a wonderful, great life, God has given you. You've only suffered broken bones, torture, I don't know, it's, oh my goodness. And all, he noticed the way the music started in the episode, ominous and how it's all, tuned, hopeful, complete emotional manipulation going on. And then there's this idea that if you get God, life is so wonderful and great. You don't need chat, GPT, God loves you. He'll do everything for you. Your life will be wonderful, beautiful music, birds singing, it'll be great. Give me a break, man. It is so devoid of anything close to reality of the pain and the suffering and the heartache

1:10:23and the brokenness that humans experience in life from everything from abandonment, abuse, rape, molestation, lying, deceiving, stab you in the back, abandon you, leave you alone, promise you one thing and then leave you on the curb if you make too many mistakes, give me a break. Unbelievable. It's almost like, hey, if you give God everything, you don't need anything else. You're gonna have everything you ever wanted and need. Oh, man. Go ahead and ask AI. But do so remembering that you're asking a robot that is programmed to put one word after another. Save your hard questions. Why am I suffering like this? How can I be a better friend? What is the purpose of my life? For conversations with God and close friends, wrestle with them as you read your Bible and write prayers in your journal. And if somebody asks you one of those, don't shrug it off, maybe you could say, hey, I don't know,

1:11:25but that is such an interesting question. I would love to dig into that with you. Want to grab coffee with me sometime? No, don't really want to grab coffee with you at all because you're not going to be able to have coffee with you at all because this is just pie in the sky, nonsensical, Christian stuff that just drives me insane. Man, and it's, don't ask AI, ask people because people's answers are so wonderful and profound. Well, wait, didn't AI take in the answers that come from people? Then why waste the time going to people when I can just go to AI? And it can give me all the information that people have ever given. I can go to this person who has very limited knowledge, has its own, they have their own bias, they have their own depravity, they have their own world view

1:12:25that's been shaped by their own life, their own experience. I can go to one person and they are very limited in what they know, what they understand, and their understanding and knowledge may be completely jacked up. So maybe I just avoid going to the coffee shop, I can talk to AI, and it can pull from the in totality of human knowledge that it has access to. Oh my goodness, gracious. They don't see how these, these, these, these, yeah. Thank you for listening to this episode of Recorded, which is part of the Gospel Coalition's podcast network. This episode was written by me, Sarah Zyelstra, and edited by Colin Hanson, Darrell Williamson,

1:13:25Megan Hill, and Cassie Watson. Our audio editor was Scott Carro, and our producer was Newbridge Studios. Recorded is made possible by generous donations. If you would like to join in supporting this work, we would love for you to do so at tgc.org slash donate. I told you, so we start with a commercial, we have a sponsor in the middle, then they ask for donations at the end, but AI is a business. Oh, and if I want to go to their conference to learn how to see Jesus in the Psalms, it will only cost me $289. But there's no business. Oh, wait, hang on. Let me go back to their website. Let me go back to their website. I could be wrong. Let me hear. Let me go back to their website. Oh, maybe they don't. Okay, here we go. We have give.

1:14:25Okay, good. Okay, they don't. I figured they had an a. Maybe they don't hang on. Let me make sure. Oh, wait. I figured they did. Oh, look here. I can go to the gospel coalition store. Oh, it's not a business at all. Let me see what I can get here. I can get making sense of us for $17.59. I can get, I don't know what this is. None like. None like him in his image for $22.49. They've got all kinds of. Oh, they got a TG. They got merch. Oh, I can get me a shirt. Oh, wait. This is a sweatshirt for the gospel coalition for $45. I can get a gospel coalition hat for $20. I can get a T-shirt for $18. I can get a water bottle for $30. Or is that a cup? Or it's a, a canteen.

1:15:26A 16 ounce canteen for $30. I can get a, your joy V-neck T-shirt for $18. So, oh, but it's not a business, ladies and gentlemen. No, AI is a business. Bad shame on AI. Shame on you for having a business. Because Christians never sell merch and turn everything into a stinking business. And everything requires money. Never. Oh, man. I get so tired of it. It's the same stuff over and over and over and over. Every time the criticism, oh, unbelievable. And it won't address these issues in a more serious way. I can't take any of this serious because it's so just not even dealing with the reality here. And how many times have we demonstrated on this very podcast? I can go to a sermon, give that sermon to AI,

1:16:26and AI will tear that sermon into shreds and show you that this is just not true. This is not true. This is not true. That's a logical fallacy. That's not what that text says. No, that's not what the Greek word is. No, that's not. But no, no, no, no, no. Over and over and over. AI is the bad guy. And humans are such the good guys. Why? Because they've got to establish that you need to go to your pastor. You need to go to the gospel coalition. You need to pay $289 to hear them teach you how to see the Savior and the Psalms instead of just going to AI. Don't go to AI. Get our books. Listen to us. Man, I'm so tired of that. It's so tiring, but okay. It's 1.36. This has been a horrible day.

1:17:26None of these episodes are good, but this is what I... I know I shouldn't have done this. Oh, yeah. So, all right. As a human being, I made a calculated decision that was wrong. I decided to do these two episodes when I should have done completely different things. I made that decision because human beings are flawed. We make bad decisions off wrong assumptions, and so we do so. And so, yeah. I probably should have talked to AI and said, which way should I go? And it would have been interesting to go back and forth with AI for an hour to figure out which is the best course of action. But that would have been bad. I should go find someone to hug and laugh with and get a cup of coffee with, I guess. I don't know. So, if anybody wants to hug me and laugh with me, and we can go get a cup of coffee together. All right. Oh, man. They just ended just that.

1:18:27How do you say it? I don't know. It's such a Christianity. It always creates this picture of just such a naive, unrealistic hallmarked, disnified version of reality that just makes me want to just throw up. And it does it over and over and over again. I can't stand so much of that language in the way it talks. It ended. It's like, oh, basically, I, yeah. Okay. Well, I'm going to stop there. We finished it. There you go. Go check out the gospel coalition. I guess that's what you're supposed to go to get. They are the bastion of truth. The refuge of correct theology. Go there. And you can trust everything they say. Just don't go to AI first. No, no, no, no. Oh, and don't go to AI. Pay $289 to go to their conference.

1:19:28Give me a break. Whatever. I give up. Goodbye.