Accident or Murder — What Really Happened to Casey Pitzer?

0:00Hey, everyone. Welcome to Crimly Obsessed. I'm Ann Emerson. St. Patrick's Day is coming up and it's supposed to be the luckiest day of the year. But for a young mom in Ohio, it was a last. Casey Pester was born in a tiny rural town in Ohio. And on St. Patrick's Day 13 years ago, she put on her new cowboy boots and headed out to the local bars, ready to blow off a little steam with her girlfriends. But Casey never made it back home and the only clue to what really happened to the young mom was her teal green cowboy boots found by a retention pond not far from her body. The investigation into her death left her father cold. I'm here today with Greg Pitzer, Casey's dad and Darrell Petri, who is the Pitzer family advocate. Beyond local news coverage, no one's really delved into this case until now. Our Crimly Obsessed documentary Dead Silence, the Casey Pitzer investigation is coming out March 6. Let's get into it. Well, thank you so much for joining me today.

1:07The documentary was incredibly powerful and you both speak so eloquently about Casey and what happened. Greg, your Casey's father, tell me what kind of girl she was. My daughter was a very good daughter. She was a very good kid, never cried. Always real good, straight A student, worked, raised two kids by herself, by her house by herself, and just everything was working out good for. Tell me about where you live a little bit, where your family heals from. We live there in Walmington and Port William and Port William little town out of Walmington. How long have you lived in Walmington in that area? 57 years. So I guess in a small town that you've been in for 57 years, everybody sort of knows everybody, right? I do. It seems that way.

2:07You're running to a lot of people that you know. And yeah, Casey, she didn't have any type of like troubled past or any type of criminal convictions that he wads. She was a responsible person and it was just another responsible evening. I mean, I know she's portrayed as like this stumbling drunk, but the video contradicts that, right? Well, how did you get involved in this case? I heard about Greg's daughter's case and I reached out to Greg and he met with me and he provided me with this evidence here and I started looking at it and it didn't take me long to realize, like this is a big problem. Greg looked at me and he said, what would you do if this was your daughter, Darryl? And I told him, I said, you know, I will treat this like it was my own child's case. And I have for the last four years, I've treated this like it was my own. And I think that would be, it would be very helpful if people could just jump in this man's shoes and say, what if this was my child? What extent would I go to get to the truth?

3:09And you know, we'll all fully get to the truth. And that's why I jumped into this and that's why I've kept my nose to the ground on this is because I promised them I would treat it like it was my own child's case. Yeah, I mean, you would go to the ends of the earth, right? You wouldn't. It's like you have to Greg, you've gone, I would do the same thing as a mom, like, I felt terrible for him because he was telling me the stories about how he would fight him and how he would challenge it and how he'd question and then they kept calling him crazy. And he was telling me a story about one time where he was creating this big post on social media and he spent, how long you spent about an hour and a half. An hour and a half typing it up and then it just disappeared because he's deleted. He's got one hand. So, you know, once he told me that, I was like, you know, he's just, he's basically got one arm tied behind his back trying to solve this. So I promised him I could use my right hand. Yeah, I can type a lot faster than, than his hand can now. So, um, you've turned into his right hand man literally, literally his right hand man.

4:11We worked together. That's wonderful, Greg. It's so good to have an advocate like that. You know, I just kind of want to jump into it so that our viewers can, can understand what, what occurred. So, can you take me back to St. Patrick's Day 2013 and tell me Darryl and Greg? Just, if you could tell me what happened, there was surveillance video of this that she had been out sort of parting with her friends and then what happened after she left the bar? For those of you watching on YouTube right now, you'll see that surveillance footage right here. Well, well, we, well, we can see from the, the video is it appears that she was taking off walking down the road and there's a Walmart surveillance video that captures like, uh, like a silhouette of a person. You can't identify it to be case, but you can see like someone moving across the road and appears she's headed towards her home in Subaina. But, you know, when she left the bar, there's some questions of why she left the bar because she

5:14just called her ex-boyfriend, but they were in the process of reconciling and there was an incident caught on that outside patio where appears maybe a bouncer and Casey had some type of physical altercation. And Casey appeared to be passive from what we can see and she backed up when the, when the bouncer approached her, she sat down after the, the, the incident occurred in the video. You can see that after that altercation with the bouncer, she clearly walked out of the bar on her own and away from confrontation. So we're still wondering why she would leave the bar when she just called her boyfriend on the phone to come pick her up. She's never seen after that surveillance video, is she? She's never, she's never seen again until, until much later. Tell me after the surveillance video, what happens as far as Casey's disappearance? When are the police called in to, to help find Casey? When do you realize

6:19that Casey's not where she's supposed to be? The police were called when her ex-boyfriend, Eric Hagg, shut up the bar and realized that she was messing. Like, so I know they were trying to point the finger at him, but he's going to call the police. Her ex-boyfriend Eric Hagg did everything he could to try to find her that night. So ex-boyfriend calls the police, reports her missing and the police, what do they do next? Well, they started like, they started the search and they, they set off a perimeter around the pond. How did we get to the pond? No idea how that happened and I think it was just, it had a perimeter, it had a fence. So it's a good area to point it for them if they wanted to contain something and we believe that's what happened. The location and layout of this pond is really, really important. We'll throw a photo here. It's really about what was not found at this scene at the pond. The police actually pushed everybody off around the pond and said that it was, they sealed it off and then they just, they, they'd

7:20said that the area was contaminated. So they didn't even process the pond. No, no footprints leading into the, into the pond, into that area. Nothing was found that would leave her into that pond and the only evidence that was connecting Casey to the pond was a pair of boobs that they said that they found in the pond, but there's no pictures of these, of this evidence. There's no, in the problem with that is when the family received the boots from the police, the boots had no mud on them. And in order to get to that pond, in order to get across that highway into that pond, you had to track across a very deep and soggy muddy ditch. For those of you watching, I would love to show you a picture of Casey's boots, but that's the frustrating thing. We don't have photos. We just have to rely on what we're hearing about them. We do have a recreated image used in the documentary of what the boots might have looked like. She had a very unique pair of boots, right? And what did they look like? Why were they so unique? They were like a cowboy boot that the girls were wearing at the

8:26time. I don't know the name of them, but she just got them. They were brand new and then girls that had them all and said, they were shaking them and you couldn't even shake them off. They said, we were really hard to get off. Now she went across that ditch. She would have lost her duke boots in that ditch. Plus, she had a five foot fence to climb with ball boar. Now she's so drummed. She's five foot tall. How does she climb that fence and not have her shoes or pants, not have anything torn or tore up? Now, when she gets across this fence, now what does she do? Did she stop and take her boots off? Because that's where they found her boots. Her body was clear on the other side of the pellon as where they found her body. Something interesting, Greg, you said that the detective showed you a picture of those boots at the time? Right. What did it look like with the boots in the pond when they showed them to you? He just took a picture of a boot and said, is that the kind she wore? I didn't know. So I took it over to my daughter and then

9:27she broke down. Wasn't it in the grass or wasn't in the mud? I didn't remember. So at the time, the detective showed Greg a picture of these boots and they wanted to connect her to that pond. And that's the only bridge from Casey into that pond is this picture of these boots. But the picture of the boots is no, they admit to having them, but they're gone. The picture is the picture of the boots, the Justin Calderall boots that were supposedly in this pond. There is no picture of that evidence. They have none. They won't provide them, but they showed them to him back in 2013. I had to take them on his phone and that's as close as he's ever got to getting copies of those photos. When investigators set up their area for their investigative area, they had to put boards over that ditch in order to get across that ditch. So there would obviously be mprints from a boot and mud on the boot if she walked across that ditch. And if you look at the

10:30Google Earth image of that pond, there's no way around getting into that pond without crossing that ditch. From the time that she went missing to the time that you got the call that she had been found at this pond. What was that like? I went and got a guy who works for a state that has a dog, a tracking dog. Okay. He brought his dog in and his dog hit right on her boots, right? So he got across fence. He got her boots. Okay. Then he ran around the pond where they found her body. And he hit on that. He jumped into water, biting it, showed that there was the body there. Okay. And it took him eight days to get her out this pond. That was a brand new pond. Nothing in it. No debris. Nothing. You could see the tracks on the bottom of the pond. Now you're going to tell me took eight days to find my daughter in that pond. Well, and then when they did find her, and this was just so disturbing when I heard this that she

11:32actually had this grass in her hand, she had like a, she was holding on to grass when they found her body. I'll warn you it's disturbing. I'm going to throw up this picture right now on the screen so you can really see what we're talking about here. And if you're listening, it's Casey's fist gripping this grass. It really is so upsetting. A circumstance about that is when Casey was said to fall in this pond, it was on the highway side of that pond. That's where the dog said on the, on, on her to boot for boots was on the highway side of the pond. Now she was found in open water on the other side of the pond. So my question is, how does she have grass in her hand if she fell in this pond? And how far away is this pond in relation in this small town from the bar that she had been at the night before and where she was supposedly heading, which was supposed to be home. You'll see a map on the screen here to give you an idea of the proximity. It really is such a small town. Yeah, about a mile. And you know, we feel like she was

12:36it was about a mile. The pond was a mile away from the bar and she was walking towards the bina. And I think she was forced off the property. Now if you look into reports, one of the bouncer says that they had to get physical with Casey and prior incidents. But for some reason, none of the detectives ever delved into that and found out these prior incidents where they had to get physical with her. They literally said that they had to physically put her in a car to get her to leave. And what's wild about the video is miss the ledge best friend. I'll throw that video on the screen for you all here again. She wasn't interacting in the video with Casey like they were best friends. They weren't even didn't even look like they were communicating. So Casey was supposedly leaving with this girl. But she was dancing with another girl came to the bar with another person. And just none of it's none of the stories have made any sense along the whole way. And it's also because you're seeing one thing and hearing another, right? She's so drunk. She's staggering. But then you could see that she leaves fluidly and looks like someone that

13:37didn't have that much to drink much. She danced. She was a very dancing for her half hour. Yeah. And I don't know if you saw the corners report, but the corner, there was only like a death and take form that was filled out on her. There was never by any corner, by any investigative agency. There was never an official corner investigator report. And that is mandatory to state of Ohio and there's suspicious circumstances around the death. And there's still as a one to this day. So technically, the investigation is incomplete. And so there was no investigative report. Was it was it labeled as suspicious stuff? Or what did the autopsy say? Yeah. So it was if it's labeled as suspicious stuff, the investigation from day one, according to the chief at the time, he told the newspaper that it was treated like a criminal investigation since day one. And in the subpoenaed records, it said in the subpoena phone records, it says it says that it was a criminal investigation. Okay. Well, in the autopsy, it said that she had drowned. Now was she

14:40drowned or did she drown? I guess that's also part of the interpretation of what she drowned or did she drown on her own. And it says with alcohol and toxication contributing. But the fact is for someone to be drinking to have an alcohol test provided to him seven days later while they've been submerged in water is not even feasible. Nope. I mean, that it's not an accurate test. So for them to base alcohol and toxication seven days later when her body was in a pond is, it shouldn't even have been used. You have 48 hours to do that test. And then they done it, what, seven, eight days later. Yeah. So quick, you had someone you knew who had a dog that could track, go out there and pinpoint these were where we believe the boots, where we, where we believe Casey was found. But why did it take eight days for them to find the body? So it took eight days, but what's what's wild about that about them taking eight days is that

15:44there's a picture of a sonar image that they provided to the family, only one. I had not seen this before, but I'll get it up on the screen for you now. And it shows a body clearly a human body. It lists the investigators listed a rope and a milk crate in the photo. Like they pointed out it, they labeled it. And that was never mentioned again anywhere in the case, Paul, nowhere. Just the picture, image, sonar, milk crate and rope, never recovered. And so after they found that, that bought that image on the 18th is when that target hit that claim happened. The chief detective told the newspaper that they found a target hit. When you say target hit, Darrell, tell me what you're talking about. So the sonar image lists that they're literally lists the depth at 8.9 feet. And it shows that they were like literally it could have got her with a pole from a boat at 8.9 feet away from from the body. And what was wild about that was they had Boone County water rescue.

16:49Very renowned water rescue come through. They had their ROV. They went through the pond. They did several laps that didn't find anything. But then just a day or two later, her body just some just there she is an open water. Where they where they went right over the passage, never could relocate the body after they found picked it up on sonar. Now when her body was picked up on sonar, instead of doing the rescue right then and there, the chief detective said that the to send send everybody home and that it was they were going to shut it down for reasons out of his control is what he said. Wow, there's just so many questions. So it's understand double why we're still looking at this case as if it almost feels like it was like yesterday that you know with the way you're able to kind of go through this information. Also can I say that when she went walking towards her house, their girls that come to pick her up had her purse, her phone,

17:50and her keys to her house. They had all that in the car in that car and they turned the opposite way, designated driver and they went to oh yeah, so what? And no, and they had her purse and keys and phone. That's so awful. This was when she had left the bar when they had all left the bar, they had all of that in the car and they had an empty car. Yeah. So Casey really had no way to communicate with anyone to get. She was she wasn't close either from that bar. She would not have been very close, was she? Like eight, nine miles away. So what I think happened was she was helping her boyfriend would come down and pick her up and it wasn't her boyfriend found her. It was those two guys. Right. Well, talk to me about these two men. They admitted they were the last people with Casey the night she died. What do we know about them? I want to place some of the footage we have of these two men here. We know that they failed two polygraphs. Now back in 2013, they failed. On the 19th and 20th, they failed the polygraphs. Now one was deceptive and the other was

18:51inconclusive. But if you go to the video of the polygraph, that polygrapher tells him in the inconclusive test like you failed. So he didn't he didn't act like it was even close to being a pads. I mean, there's a reason why that polygraph test was given to the police department, right? To do the test. They wanted to know whether or not these guys were were telling the truth. Yeah. So, so with the polygraph test, so on the 20th, when the second failed as polygraph test, Wilmington kind of backed off and they let the Clinton County Sheriff's office get involved and do all the investigation. What is this is? And in the sheriff's office policy, it says to do a follow-up investigation. So do you think happened? Don't know. We don't understand how the sheriff's office could get involved after failed polygraph tests and then not ask a single question. And even to this day, even after the failed polygraph at last March, the prosecutor even said he wrote

19:52like a big spiel out and said that this polygraph is too hard to it's it's too much to ignore. This is the same one they use and FBI investigations. And you know, he even went to Dave winner investigative report and told him he said if polygraphs were failed, he that he would expect further investigation and that never occurred. Well, do we know that she that she had jumped out of the car when she got her whatever happened with these two men? They the story that that I've heard so far is that they were they said that they were sort of giving her a ride home that got muddled with going somewhere else and low and behold, she ends up jumping out of the car according to their date. What part of that story jives with what you're talking about? The chief detective in the newspaper referred to those two as good Samaritans.

20:54Good Samaritans, but he failed to acknowledge that they both failed polygraph tests. So they were good Samaritans. Why in his words? Because they were trying to pick her up and find her and take her home. Was there any relationship before this one of them knew her met her a couple times. He said and the other one never met her as far so he might have seen her around that he said that they never he referred to case he has that girl and that crazy bitch is what he called her. Were they ever named as a suspect? Were these men ever named publicly as suspects in the case? Yeah, they were listed as good Samaritans yet they had a failed polygraph test. Yes, yet the the chief in the case said it was best criminal investigations since day one. So they were treated like suspects, but they weren't labeled suspects if that makes any sense. According to reports, Casey left the bar on foot and started her long walk home. Two men picked her up. Casey only

21:57knew one of them. It's also been reported that she jumped out of the car at some point. We don't know why or where that was exactly. For our purposes, just so we understand where like if we looked at the investigative file right now, they were not ever named as people of interest or as suspects, but they were asked to do a polygraph test when they found out that that they had been in contact with Casey, right? Yes. That's what I was just trying to get that straight. I'd love to talk about a moment that I got to watch in the documentary that was just literally was so heartbreaking and that of course is when you go to the memorial to Casey and I think it's near that retention pond, it just really punches you in the gut. It really shows how long this struggle has been over the years. Can you tell me what kind of toll this has taken from you? It's hard. Every time I go out there, I mean, she was my first born daughter and she was a very good kid and just it's hard. I mean,

23:02you know, if you lose the kid, that's the worst thing they've rat into a parent, especially under these circumstances. And he's expressed to me like his hard time to sleeping and I can't sleep. And it's just been an ongoing thing for 13 years now. I mean, as far as like, financially, I would think for you to stay dedicated to this course of action to try and get to the truth, get some justice for Casey. Has it been a burden? Yes, it has. We've been a very heavy burden. Money-wise, we're having trouble with the money. Yeah, we've put a lot of money in it. I put a lot of my money into it. I bought them in attorney a few times and we've had some mild success with getting some records. But you know, even the courts have treated us fairly. I mean, they seem to skip past all the exhibits that we put in front of them and then don't force them to provide these records. Don't double check. So the court deemed that Wilmington provided

24:05all these records in a case. But he hasn't been provided one chain of custody records shown that any of the evidence was handled properly. So it just blows me away that a judge can see the case and think that the records were produced when there is no chain of custody records. And one of the, the main thing, these records, they probably still exist somewhere. But in 2013, there was subpoenas that were issued for seven phone records in the case. But the family's only been provided with Casey's phone record. That's it. Phone records would show the GPS, the geofencing data that would pinpoint locations at the time. But we've never been provided that. Is it too late now? You would think that when an investigator puts in an evidence preservation letter to a phone company like Verizon and AT&T that they would store those records permanently. Right. And so those evidence preservation letters were sent to AT&T and Verizon.

25:07Oddly, you know, we don't have any records to cooperate with those subpoenas. Well, you know, you bring up the cellular records. The cellular records are a big one. What are some of the other pieces of evidence that we're going to learn about in this documentary that are very strange that may have been destroyed in the Ohio biological evidence preservation laws under section 2933.82. It says that these agencies, these government retention agencies are to hold these and store biological evidence such as clodothing so that DNA can be taken from clothing or shirt. So when the corners office in Dayton did the autopsy, they released the clothes not to the police department, but to the funeral home who destroyed these clothes because they smelled bad. Smell like Pond, he said. And they were untested, never tested. And it was, they were destroyed actively during the investigation. Right. Which was,

26:10according to the county prosecutor, who I have recorded, the county prosecutor in this case says that that evidence being destroyed was a violation of that law. It is a violation. And also he said that the rate kit that was destroyed, the, I guess, sexual assault examination kit, I guess, sake or sake is what they would call it. So that rate kit was destroyed just six years after her investigation. And there was never any reason given, we, you know, records were withheld regarding that. And it wasn't till like a change of administration till we got new records that showed that her, her rate kit was destroyed unlawfully. I just want to bring up the discoloration around her neck. I'm going to put up another incredibly difficult, but incredibly important photo. So you can see what we're talking about here. It's just so unnerving. I think these beads that normally symbolize a party, carefree, fun, everything that St. Patrick's Day should have been for Casey.

27:15Another point within this evidence that seems to be difficult for them to obtain or look at or, you know, I was hearing about like how they were blurry photos from, from the autopsy. What did you, you know, you're saying it may be an exhumation is, is in order to understand what was going on around her neck? Can you explain what that was that they found around her neck on her body? So in the autopsy report, if you look at the autopsy report, it says it was unremarkable. Like we could clearly see the, this, this abnormal, it looked like an abnormal mark, something that you would expect an explanation for at least, a clinical explanation, but we never got that. The autopsy photos that we were provided have only, like up and date, and only showcase his neck, crimp down like this, where you can't even see the mark. It's like they were trying to hide it at the corner's office. Now, we can see the mark in the unseen photos when they took pictures of

28:18her body unseen, but not one time in the autopsy report, nor any autopsy photos, is that mark explained or revealed. And when the first autopsy photo said, I got, they blurred her head out. Yeah, they were blacked out in that. Yeah. And I'll take us something else that's really wild, is so back in 2013, Greg requested records from the, the Dayton corners office that performed the autopsy. He was provided a partial of those records. He had receipts. Well, we thought we have the receipts. We have the envelope that they sent to him. So then when we went back up there, Clinton County directed us to go back to date and to get these records. Well, we showed up there to date and they denied him, turned him down and got really aggressive with us when we showed up there and Dayton called the police and had his escort alibi building. What's the police jurisdiction into that the sidewalk? Yeah, that's a sheriff's office. Sheriff looked out the door, if I was to win on. Well, Darrell, your, your Greg's Marcy's law advocate, is that correct?

29:24It's a Marcy's law victim representative that a designated Marcy's law victim representative. Tell me what that means for us that are not no high as we understand what that means. Okay, so Marcy's law was passed to no higher. Like it was such a huge amount of voters past it under like, it was like 80 plus percent of voters voted it in. And what Marcy's law does, it gives victims, it gives victims a voice, a right to be heard, a right to be treated fairly, a right to be treated with dignity. So the counting prosecutor designated Greg as a Marcy's law victim. He acknowledged me as a Marcy's law victim representative, which I have the right to speak for him. I have the right to advocate for him and to, you know, to help him in any which way I can. And I'm also his legal power of attorney because he's messing his writing in. And like I said, he's, he's leveraged in my right hand through that power of attorney. Greg, if Casey were able to hear us right now talking about this case, about the fact that you fought and that you've brought Darryl on to fight with you.

30:32What do you think, what do you think she's thinking right now as, as she looks down on you and sees the kind of work you're doing? I think she's smiling down on me and she's got her hand on my shoulder guiding me. Slowly, but she's there. She's there with me all the time. I mean, Greg, I believe that. And, you know, as she helps you and guides you through this as well, I mean, I feel like this is going to mean a lot for other families, what you're doing. Right. Yeah, it needs to. And, you know, every family should have the same rights to records. Every family should have the same type of investigation thorough. Every family should have access to information and be able to question these investigators when they don't feel like things are being done properly. Right. And that's what Pitzer's Law, what I've developed. I think that addresses all that. And, and you know,

31:35the one of the biggest problems with Greg's cases, with Casey's case is that it's so fragmented. You know, there's all these different agencies that were involved. And you have to do a separate records request for every one of these agencies. And then they'll point you at the other agency. There should be like a universal prosecutorial file where our county prosecutor must sign off on that. So somebody has to be held accountable because with the way they have it set up now, you could never hold anybody accountable. They can always point to finger at the other agency, or it's it's like pointing you this way. Right. You don't know which way to go. And they give you the runaround. And what they do, they try to wear you out to where you'll just quit pursuing them. Like, like said, Greg in 2013 fought for years. But then eventually he got tired and he fizzled out. So I was able to kind of help him like a tag team wrestler. He just smacked my hand and I joined in because I was I was already really aggravated and directing my attention towards

32:36him. When I found his daughter's case, I was like, this is the one that'll get them all. This is the one that'll take all of them out. And it'll restore restore integrity and law enforcement in our community because like, you know, making things look like it's not and reframing. And that's not the way it's supposed to work. I mean, the persistence, the relentlessness, I, you know, I talk about it a lot in these kind of cases where we have not found the truth yet. And our viewers know that the most important thing to do is to keep the awareness alive, right? To keep that voice for your loved one there. So people know that this is still going on. Do you think we will get to a place of truth on Casey's case? Do you still have hope? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. We'll get to we're going to get to the bottom of that one way or the other. Yeah. And what we're hoping to do is raise some money so we can get some investigators,

33:38like independent investigative involved. We've seen that there was like a former FBI agents set up like an investigative site where you can, you know, you can reach out to them and hire them to come do and independent investigations. Greg has been openly, he's been open about the want to have her exhumed. But honestly, with the evidence that I see and I've went through, I don't think that shall have to be exhumed to get a conviction in this case. I think it's just a matter of getting a neutral prosecutor, right? Getting a prosecutor. Now, I have in a judge. So let's, if you don't mind, I'd like to talk about what's occurred in 2025. So in April of 2025, Greg was designated of the Marcy's Law Victim Representative. They released all the evidence polygraphs and everything to him. And this prosecutor, our county prosecutor told us that he was going to get the FBI involved, that he was going to get the Warren County Sheriff's Office involved to conducted the last

34:41polygraph tests because they did the largest, the most recent investigative lead. And so he was trying to say that he was my hand this case off to them. Well, when it got time to do that, instead of giving it to Warren County or the FBI, he gave it to a civil litigation for him out of Columbus and hired insurance attorneys that were masquerading as special prosecutors. And so they come down June 23, they were appointed to the case, case, case, case. There has not been one single question asked in over six months, seven months, nothing. And so, and then finally, with three from the case. And so now Greg's left without a prosecutor to even confer with. And and Marcy's Law, it says that he has the right to confer with the prosecutor, but when there's no prosecutor to confer with, how do you confer with? Right. What's he supposed to do? Yeah. I mean, the Marcy's Law, it's under article one section 10A

35:42of the Ohio Constitution, which is in the Ohio Victim Bill of Rights. It says that he has the right to confer with the prosecutor. There is no prosecutor that will confer with him. There's a lot of work that needs to be done on this case. And I'm glad to see that Daryl, you can stay with Greg as as you guys navigate this. He needs a right hand man like you. Yes. And it gives me a lot of hope for other victims out there and victims families that that deserve a light on their cases as well. And hopefully this will give them hope by watching this documentary, which is so remarkable and beautifully done to give a voice to the voiceless in this case. So I thank you so much for sharing your story with me today. And I hope everybody watches this documentary. And I want my viewers out there to to please drop a comment and let Greg know what you're thinking, Daryl, what you're thinking. If you've been through a situation like this or

36:45have information that may help the Casey Pitzer story finally come to to the truth, you know, and bring closure to your wonderful family. Yeah. And what we would ask is that, you know, if you could ask your viewers to dive into this with us because we haven't caught everything. Right. There's there's a lot of things out there. If there's a bunch of eyes on this case, we may learn new things that we didn't know. This is the book that I've written that dives into this whole case. It's called the citizens arrest of Clinton County Ohio. And it's the true stories of Casey Pitzer and Andy Napier. And it tells about our investigation and how what's gone on in the last four years. I would love to share it with our viewers. And absolutely, we have a lot of very dedicated armchair detectives and internet sleaze out there that are very talented and have come to meet with incredible information. So 100% like if there's if there's anyone that wants to dive into the Casey Pitzer story and case and investigation, this is the time

37:49to do it. Yeah. And so this book, it should be live on Amazon within the week. And I have an interactive website that has all the exhibits that's also going to be launched within the week. And it's under we help others.com or you can find it under the citizens arrest.com as well. That's that's wonderful to hear. Thank you so much. And thank you for doing the work that you do as well. So I'll end this for now. But we'll hear if there's any updates. My God, like please let us know. We certainly want to be a part of, you know, finding the truth in these cases. We don't stop either. Yeah, I was looking at your work and you're you're you're an incredible person. And I wanted to thank you for reaching out to us and doing thank you so very much. Thank you for helping all the victims that you've helped. Great. Well, thank you so much. You know, it means a lot to me because, you know, we go down these rabbit holes as we do, right? And we never really know what we're going to pull out of the rabbit hole. And sometimes it's it's something that can make it different. And sometimes it it'll

38:53just get us one step closer. You know, as my my granny always said, you know, you just don't know what all the pieces of the puzzle are until they get put together. So somebody may have a piece of that puzzle that's going to just finish the picture for you. Yep. Great. We're clubs. We're very club very close. I'm so glad they could join us for this conversation today and be sure to drop a comment below and tell me what you think about this case, how it was handled and what should have been done differently. I'd love to hear your thoughts and be sure to like, subscribe and follow us at crimly obsessed for more important conversations like this one. And of course, be sure to watch Dead Silence, the Casey Pitzer investigation. I want to hear what you think of the documentary and leave your comments below. Thanks.