A Numbers Game | January 29, 2026 | Hour 3

0:00A number is called the story, Alex, those idiots who believe in analytics. This is a numbers game with Gil Alexander gone. He said our number three of a numbers game at Vs in the sports betting network, Vs.com Game Plus, I hard radio YouTube TV and of course, series six of channel one, 58, Gil Alexander Kelly, Biddlein behind the glass crack, standing by. Let's get through the rest of the tweets here first real quick at Bernaracci on Twitter. Welcome back, came Michael Biddlein also didn't realize, I can't even get through these with that lab. I also didn't realize that Michael Embardi didn't make the Hall of Fame on his first try. I'm sure you were the first to console him and joy your day, boy, it's love you lots. No, Michael, Michael didn't call me about it. I didn't get to console him. Mike Dersow, glad to hear Kelly back. I've had migraines since I was 18 and the only thing that helped was acupuncture also only drink clean tequila. Now since booze always triggered them. Good luck. Oh, he's gone to clean tequila because booze trigger maybe kill. Oh, it's what you're suggesting that Kelly had some booze and that got him migraines.

1:00I think what you're doing right acupuncture works for some, not for all, but that it's worth a try for sure. Ryan Hyatt, quote, folks who have never met people like me list, unquote, one of the greatest A and G throw throw away lines ever by Gil on a numbers game, well played great to see Kelly back in action. I have no advice on how to get rid of migraines, but I can help you get cash back when you get gas. Yes, you can courtesy of all of our, our ads, he says get out of legal pads, start taking notes, schools in session with crack and Gil, they ain't going to teach you these lessons at college. And without further ado, let's do it unscripted with the crack man, Bill Crackenberger. Let's go. I just looked at Twitter, I retweeted the show and someone, I guess I must, oh, yeah, you're in the review journal to the review journal, all I can tell you is there's an old line

2:01from the Honeymooners, Ralph, you're the biggest in on television, that's what, what are they talking about? Who first of all? Who's the writer for Las Vegas Review Journal? Oh, this was, this was last night, yeah, over at Westgate, as you could see, I brought their packet in here, you have a little school packet, yeah, this is the packet of 50 pages. And this was there, they released the props one night early, usually it's Thursday, usually it's Thursday. Yeah, tradition was Thursday. It's getting earlier and earlier and of course it is because draft Kings puts them out Monday, draft Kings puts them out and they put them out real fast, they have the, everything up literally 20 minutes, they have a prop department that puts them up. And I guess it's nice, it's nice for you to put them up, not a lot of the bedtime, but you could put them up. No, I mean, most people, I could bet because I was on this show, that's the reason why. So I was on this show and one of the little rats in the office said, called someone in Foxwoods and said, tell Crackenberger, he's 250 max now because he talked about us on

3:02the show. So all over the years, how many times have I been there, showed tickets, hey, the counters are better. You say one little thing negative and they, and they got upset and they don't, they don't remember the good things you say, but we say a lot of good things too, you understand for they, they took a lot of bets on from Ben, Chero on for me and over the years, great bonuses. I've said a lot of good things about them. And you know, it's not, I'm not saying bad things now, I'm just saying that's what happened there. So now they come up, Gil's right, they come up Sunday night, right after the championship games and the left games, at least the template ones do, right? The one's the right word template. But even the player props came up though that night, well, yeah, the ones that are standard for every, for every year, they can just plug in new names, just those odds. Sure. The more exotic ones, they, they kind of come out as sure as time goes on. Yeah. So they put them up and it kind of ruins the market. So they put them up for $10 app limits, which I get and most people that have a pulse get. And then they put them up at the counter for $250 and unfortunately, the other sports

4:10books see them, those lines. And I respect the Fandall line, the Fandall, when Fandall comes up, if I was a sports bookmaker, if I was a bookmaker that worked in the back, well, there is no bookmakers, let me, let me, let me, that's the wrong term. If I was in risk in one of the sports books, I would actually use some of those Fandall lines. I think Fandall's a pretty sharp book, they have some pretty sharp numbers. I would use them. And that's the reason why folks that let her listen and that's the reason why you don't have to pay somebody any big money like you did years ago, you know, years ago back in Curacao and Costa Rica and Antigua and, you know, with the sports books board Dominican, you understand what happened back then. You were booking in the States and you took your operations off shore, you paid for a bookmaker to come in, you paid his expenses, you paid his living fees, he had a live on the island or whatever. Well, you know, you paid for that being a sports book owner, you paid for his knowledge,

5:11the internet was just coming out. But even up until a couple of years ago, you know, there is still a bookmaker there that's very schooled. You know, he was over here and what I'm saying is it's unbelievable that you made six figures a year. Now you're, you're leaving the country, I mean, you're going to some third world countries too. So you're leaving the country, you're leaving your life. But I know for a fact, those guys, you got paid like a bucket year, a hundred thousand plus a year back in the 90s and all their expenses taken care of with the prospect perhaps of never being able to return by the way it should be mentioned in some cases. Yeah. But that's amazing. You said that's another story, but I'll get to that in a second. But now what we're looking at now is we're looking at draft Kings and Fandall putting up lines and I don't mean to say this and I'm not making fun of anybody. You could take, I use the word, you could take an organ grinding monkey just to follow the screen and he just puts the lines up that he sees it there. You know, so you don't have to have an originating bookmaker in your operation.

6:15Now granted, I'm not saying some of the bookmakers in this town aren't good. There is some of the guys. There is a couple bookmakers in town here. They think the guys that make the lines at Westgate, put it this way. You look at the, look at the big games that come up, the playoffs and stuff. Yes, draft King and Fandall's probably the first one to put a lineup. But in Vegas, we have some places here that'll put a lineup, you know, depending on what sport, you know, a couple of years ago, Chris, Chris was putting up the lines on the college basketball match man. It's before anybody. Yeah. They do. And by the way, he was taking 10,000. I remember there. They're going there. Derek Stevens who owns circa at that time would go on set and he would bet every single game. It was a force bet. So yeah. It's a force bet. Yeah. It doesn't, it doesn't matter if it's Derek or one of the sharpest basketball handicappers in the world. Yeah. It's tough to win a force bet on everything. Now, that's not the sound jumping all over the place. The old street bookmakers, you'd find one that gave you a force bet made you get a

7:18force bet on every game and they say, all right, if you call in, I'll give you a point better than the line, but you have to bet every game. Now, that's an edge. That's an edge. You can make money on that, especially around the lower numbers and lower totals and you can make money on that. I know a guy that almost bankrupted a bookmaker doing that. He said, you have to bet every game, but you've got a free, a free, a full point. Not even have free full point. So going back to the bookmakers offshore, compare to Las Vegas and other places that they make the lines offshore and Vegas basically copies the line. But I give the credit to the Westgate. The Westgate comes up sometimes with some unique things, just like I told you, and I'm sure Cerca comes up with some things here first, you know, like, by the way, I think Cerca even takes requests on if the like, if you have an idea for a prop, they will consider it. That's great. Yeah. Oh, that's really good. Yeah. So 50 pages and take, they take 2000 bucks a pop up, they go to the back and I know you want to look as a line that you line up and you make two bets, you have to go to the

8:21back of the line years ago. That's all. Yeah. Okay. Years ago, the line went out the door. There was a hundred people online. I remember. Now, last year in this year, 20, I'd say 20, 20 of us lined up is just that the history of this was the Westgate was the gold standard of this. They were the only book in town. They were always the first book in town, I should say, right? It was a Thursday night line, but with that rule, with those rules that you just described. And then in the last, this is during the visa in history. So we'll say the last nine years, then it was, remember, there was this period of years where you're like, oh, wait, it's South Point. Just open them. Everybody ran to the South Point. Oh, wait, William Hill just opened them. Everybody ran to William Hill. These were before apps. Right. Because there was that period of years too. And now it's kind of like, all right, Draft Kings has them out anyway. So what are we really talking about? That's Gil. We haven't talked about this at all. Yeah. That's exactly my feelings. Yes. Uh, I hate to say this. I think, like I just talked about a couple of years ago, this is getting so hard because

9:26uh, at least they do take the bets and they're, and by the way, they're one 10 each way. That's, that means a lot minus one 10 each way. A lot of the, uh, the other books, you know, they charge more one 15 each way and, and uh, so I appreciate, uh, Westgate charged by this one 10 each way. And I'm pretty sure they're going to put them up here one 10. I'd be upset if they weren't minus one 10 each way, uh, just to give you an idea, like, like what I'm talking about, like Patriots team to call time out first Seattle minus one 10 Patriots minus one 10 for anyone that doesn't know what I'm saying. Uh, Chris of St. Bartz asked the obvious question. He says, Bill, find any grossly mispriced props at release are all pretty priced right? They were, they were pretty priced right. Um, I, I did wind up betting a couple over and over, um, uh, there was a few that I thought that, that probably had some slight edges. And, um, next Thursday, I'm going to have a couple for you guys, uh, a couple for you guys. There's no ones up here. I can't even bet. Yeah. So nobody's out by, I want to bet some sportsbooks and, um, people love betting these

10:26props. Again, the, the, the real, the real history of the prop, even going backward, the period we were talking about was Jimmy Vicaro in Super Bowl 20, uh, the bears and the Patriots making the line on Will William, the refrigerator Perry score touched down. And because William refrigerator Perry had been placed on short yardage situations for the bears, the, uh, the 85 Super Bowl shuffle bears all season long. And the question was, would they do it in the Super Bowl? And it was bad. I think from 42 to one or 45 to one all the way down into, I didn't know that I was 25 to one. It was 45 to one one time. Well, it was long. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm even forwarded to one. Yeah. Maybe I'm conflating that with somebody else. But I think I thought it was super duper long. And they didn't give Walter one, right? Peyton didn't get one. And so, yeah. So in the end, Fridge got the carry score to touchdown. And Mike Ditka said, the biggest regret of his career was that he didn't give sweetness. Walter Peyton in one of his last seasons, a chance to score a touchdown. The Super Bowl. Sweetness and weight of his whole, Walter Peyton, his whole career to play in a Super Bowl.

11:27And he was really upset about it. Wow. That's so sad. And the Peyton was and Ditka really regretted it afterwards. I didn't know Ditka regretted it. I see some of those specials on the bear. I'm glad I regretted it. But that was, that was like the explosion of Super Bowl props starts from that moment. Okay. I got a bunch to talk about. Crack. More. It's got a bunch to talk about. He just said it right now. Coming back on a numbers game at Visa. And these sports betting network. You're here because you want an edge. That's what separates listeners from winners. But let's be real. That alone doesn't get bet's home pros win because they've got the tools, the data and the discipline. And now so can you. Visa programs you access to the same real time insights the sharps use. No secrets. No fluff. Just actionable info that moves markets. Tap the link and see why serious bettors are turning knowledge into profit with Visa and Pro. The number one place for college basketball player props.

12:32They offer all players in all schools in every state. That profit X is available. Pardon me. As we get closer to March madness take advantage of profit X is 20% purchase match. Download profit X now and experience the future of winning. Use promo code V sin to get started. We get tweets being the book. I was appreciate it. This is from this is Kevin downs. My brother from another. Yo, I think I gave Kelly migraines with my music questions. No moss. Maybe that was. That's what did it. Spence. Hey, check out Lane Robert on IG. I don't know if that's how you pronounce it. He said he's in his 70s and does climbs that make the Netflix guy look like he's climbing the jungle gym on the playground. Are you serious? That I am still so impressed with that thing on Netflix that guy. The numbers guys. I'm just a dumb dumb. But for me when one book is way off from the others and I have seven books here in Detroit, it's usually fandal and more importantly it's usually a loser. They seem the sharpest to me. Yes. Interesting.

13:32Okay. Bill is 100% correct. In Florida hard rock weights to the market makers lines are hammered in the shape before they even post them benefits of being a monopoly, but unfair to the public. Great tweet. Yeah. By the way, one correction on my story. You were correct. The refrigerator Perry scoring was 20 to one got bet down to two to one. I was conflating it with the 42 to one Jimmy Vicaro 30 for 30 doc, which was the bus struggle. It's Tyson fight. That's right. All right. You said you had a lot to talk about, sir. I forgot. No. No. I got so much talk about it. Bill has a bill bill has a very short. I have very bad ADD. Yeah. Very bad. I was supposed to think medicine for it. I just went tested. Yeah. Five years ago. Wow. I can't tell my brain. It'll slow me down. I'm afraid I'll be sitting on like a zombie or so. I'm not doing it. I said that. So anyway, I liked the way the system was at Westgate. I liked what I liked what I seen yesterday and I liked that they have moved it up and I wouldn't doubt if they moved it up next year. I wouldn't need it.

14:32Yep. So I'm hoping that all these sports books in town, the brick and mortars, let me be belonged to them. I'm hoping the circa. I'm hoping a south point win and the rest of them that you can bet at the counters. I'm hoping that they put the star put them up today. Do you, I brought this up and I hate to be, you know, because I risk being sort of the party pooper on this kind of stuff. People love Super Bowl props, right? We just went through the brief history of it. I, you know, Drew, Jessica was on earlier this week and I agree with what he was saying because I said, Hey, what's your approach to Super Bowl props? And he made the point which I think is a very good point. I just feel like as a PSA as a public service announcement, I need to say this once and then everybody can have out their props. They don't have to listen to it. But I do think it's worth saying, which is, and a paraphrase drew, a paraphrase drew, which was, Hey, if you haven't been like, if you don't have numbers, right, a model with these numbers and have been doing this all season long, the notion that you've would show up for the Super Bowl and bet like 20 of these and think you're going to win,

15:35it goes against sort of his constitution. That's me paraphrasing Drew. I agree with that sentiment. Do you as well? Just coming in cold. Yeah. Yeah, coming in cold. Yeah. I don't think you really unless you have a model, unless you have a little bit more knowledge of the prop just to come and have, but it's, if you want to do it, that's fun, five ten bucks each. People want to have fun. Yeah, sure. I have no problem. I don't want to have fun. Speaking of that, though, that's one of my topics here, though, one of these 60th free thing that I've knocked out a couple, whatever, 43 things to the public, just amazing. Okay. Yeah. Like, I am shocked, but I'm not because I was one of them of so much, and it's not going to be your listening audience, but because they're sharper than most people that the most audience is, I'm shocked that the non-respect for the market and pricing, like I would never ever. Yeah. Player prop without checking every book I have, I would never do that. And I'm probably, because I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be, you know, I'm not

16:36going to be able to get down, not, not, anyway, I'm probably going to come back to that worse line if I still think it's, I, I have an edge, but I can't believe how many people come to town and with good money, they have 2,000 in their pocket, they bet $100, $200 again. I play, but this goes back to our fund versus, you know, our fund conversation that we just have. But they, they, they, they, they, they're betting with the intention to win. They are. So if you're doing that, how can you not give yourself another chance here? A Westgate has a 57 and a half on a player. I just found 51 and a half, like that's six yards, I mean, like how can you not, that's huge. I mean, how can you not, that by the way, we can look here and I'll bet you by the end of the show, I can find a dozen. That's all five yards, different places, three yards, two yards. But well, that I agree with what I thought you were referring to was like a difference in juice on the same, they don't respect the juice, they don't respect that at all. No, because yeah, some of these props, the margins are so tight, I'll lay $1.10, but

17:39I'm not laying $1.20. So I mean, but it doesn't matter to people, you know, that, that are, that are around me or something. They say, oh, no, I don't care. I'm betting it. It went to minus 140. I'm betting it. What? Yeah. No, the other side could be right in the dollar. That's not correct, but that gets back, we, I called it fun within, I made the disclaimer so we can all have fun talking about these props, but I just think that's in the, under the same category. It's like a close cousin of that, which is, I'm just here to have fun. I don't want to spend the time checking five cents here, five cents there, 10 cents here, 10 cents there. I'm just going to bet what I bet. I think most people feel that way. Yeah, they just try to think about it. How much we talk about it, right? And I'm going to tell you something. If you're just here to have fun and enjoy yourself, have a couple cocktails, kick back. It's like, it's like I say, like, my wife goes out shopping or vacation or you guys, if it's to have fun, I used to be that guy though. I used to go and I used to have one book maker and I bet I had no where else to bet that was it. So you had no choice. But if you have choices, you should definitely, I think most people start out that way,

18:39right? Unless you have like an actuarial brain like Fesik does, right? Or maybe he starts out price sensitive like that. And most people are just, whatever, whatever kind of thing. Did you want to, do you want to talk about that sports book? You talked about off air? What? There is a swell. Oh, yeah. I'll get to them. Oh, yeah. I'm going to bury them in a second. Something to look forward to, boys and girls. We'll get them next break. I want to continue on something here. I'm sorry. You didn't mean it. Yeah. No, no, I'm trying. They're not there dead. Oh, I wrote down the evil spiral of degenerate gambling. This is back in May of last year. Keep on taking money. We're not supposed to try to make that. Oh, yeah, you're trying to make that school. Listen, I know this too from experience. That's why I wrote it down. I know from being a little degen, 15, 16, 17, 18. I lost like five figures, low five figures, with a bookmaker at like 16 years old. Yeah. So I know what it is. I know you just keep on thinking you're going to make that score to make everything right. And what that means now in 2026, you're going to hit that parlay. You hit that same game.

19:39You're going to hit that parlay. You're going to make things right. Trust me. Trust me. This is the ruin. The ruination, the ruin, the ROIN of a gambler. It's gambling ruin. That's what it is. And someone just how I'm sorry, I don't know, you guys, you guys are going to know before me. Someone just put up a great thing about it. He was trying to interview executives from different sports books. Have you talked about that? No. Oh, my God. It was so good. And he, he actually got it. I think it was the guy from Fandall. He got a ex president, the head of Fandall. And he actually got him to talk. But he got, he had like six other interviews set up. He got like two of them. But the two he got was fantastic. So maybe someone out there can remind me. Fantastic. How? Oh, my God. They admitted things. They admitted things that I couldn't believe. Even though they used to work there and have these big jobs, usually executives at that level will not talk about anything. Well, first of all, it's not even the people that used to work there. We know of CEOs for some of these companies, draft kings, I'm talking about you, who say the quiet part out loud, they're either nuts, and I mean this, by the way, I mean this.

20:43The see, the current CEO of draft kings, right, the guy who's always been in charge, he's either not savvy enough to know that he's not supposed to say that stuff out loud. Or he simply doesn't care. And I don't know which is worse. If he doesn't care, that's terrible. Yeah. If he says it by action, it, listen, we all know every single sports book in the world wants you to lose. We know that. But it's not put out there. Like he put it out there. We don't want winners. You know, like you're right. You're right about this. That can't be purposely. Just like the guy rigged that run seizures. He couldn't have gave that interview to the Las Vegas Journal of Journal. And say that I don't want my customers eating here, let them, I don't have to, they can stop McDonald's in the way home. It's the same thing. Like I can't see them purposely saying that they say it because they mean it though, but they don't realize they shouldn't say it. They're, you know, that's the old thing is their book smart college degree, fancy degree, not streets more at all. They have none. No common sense. I can tend, and I've said this before in the show, that if these companies, some talk about trafficking specifically, Fandall, but if they didn't, if the, if the same game

21:46parlay discovery, let's call it discovery, didn't happen, right, or the advent of the same game parlay, didn't happen, that they would be in a, in a financial crisis. That is my opinion. I don't, I cannot prove it, but I have that sense that that has, that has kept them running and humming more than anything. I can't wait. To you read this little story that this, he wrote, oh, he wrote a book, the guy wrote a book on this. That's why. And it was sent to me, not the book, just a couple, a paragraph or two. I was like, this is fascinating, but it's unfortunate. It came out right now when I'm so busy between college, basketball, props, and I'll get to it eventually, but it was so good. You and I have talked about youth betting that it's overcome like a younger generation or the worst part about this, but I will tell you my oldest friend. I think I mentioned this recently. My oldest friend in the world, who I've known since I was six years old, right? My best buddy, he's, he's telling me, yeah, no, I got these, this part, I made the same

22:47game parlay because I, I subscribe to this service. And I'm like, I'm sorry, have you and I ever talked before about anything? But you know what? Port thing. This is my oldest friend. You can't change it. You cannot change people. Port thing. You can't change it. It's going to be a total victim. Yeah. Oh, it's true. It, it, listen, that goes for being around me too. I have people around me that, yeah. I'm just going to bet their own stuff. I've talked about this before. I had some people, you wouldn't be asked it online and they, I'll tell you in a second. All right. Bill talks about a sports book. Oh boy. Stay tuned. Next. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. You got two to graduated community. I'm really excited to see you. Really excited to see you. Well, thank you. I'll be down for this. How do you expect us to do that? Let me know your thoughts.

23:47Any other questions? My thoughts? I think I also get a lot of hope. A lot of people of the course growth jeste raised in a row. So if you think you're gonna be very happy to tell you they've never talked to you back Marathon. Maybe good. Did you did you and the dog long afterwards? Yeah, it was bad. That was bad. That was that that really was a bed, a bed. I that look about this. You're falling in an eight foot pool. And and I took two falls, believe it or not. But that that was a fall. You know, you have to slow down. I mean, I'm getting older now. I feel great. I walk around great. But um, that was such a bad fall. I remember the fall. But what about the dog bite? Oh, oh, the dog bite. Yeah. Leg. Yeah. It was the leg for the dog. Oh, no, no. I've had a lot of things happen to me. Yeah, man. You know, your legs are, they come in the trees and that's over. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was in, um, I was in Myrtle Beach. I was protecting another dog putting my leg up into the dog bit me. That's right. You were there. That we were talking about because you were on remote with us. I was on

24:50remote. I got bit that morning. Yeah. 10 minutes before you came on air. You got bit. I got bit 10 minutes before I came on air. So what is you got me? How do you feel about your, uh, was your sister's dog? Uh, sister in law, sister in law. My brother in law. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He saw, uh, I don't care if he hears. He's so militant, you know, because he, you know, he was a secret service agent for 24 and a half years. Yeah. Cop now. He now he's a cop and, um, he didn't say anything. Yeah, no reaction. Yeah, no reaction. No, no, no, no, my sister in law did. There's almost so sorry, but he was like, yeah, that happens. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Did you in the dog in another? He cares for me. I'm getting the sense. Did you in the dog interact afterwards? Or do you say you're clear of the dog? Yeah. I'm not a fan of the dog if you want the truth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Montreal max. Great topic from Bill with 90s and 2000s pay off sure where would you would make where you would make six figures plus then a huge Christmas bonus, a Super Bowl bonus and a piece many times along with house car utilities, cook in office plus syndicates with tip clerks is Christmas. You hear what he just said? I did. That's exactly

25:53right. He knows he was there. Christmas bonuses, Super Bowl things. At the end of the year, they actually would put a tip there. Leave a tip, even though they would just tell him, hey, hey, skip put five thousand down for your guys here. You know, and that's the way it was back then. I totally forgot. He's right. So now, guys that are running the biggest sports books in this country are getting literally half of what they made back then, less than that. The overnight crew, I know an overnight guy. I'm not going to say what company. I know an overnight guy that's responsible for millions of dollars that gets $25 an hour. Right now, there's a sign up in an outburger night shift, 1875 an hour. He's making six dollars an hour more than in an outburger, responsible for millions of dollars. That's what I mean. You don't have to, you don't need those people now because you have other sports books. You have Donbrest screen, spank odds, odds logic. You could just look at their lines there and just copy them and take minimal money and throw anyone out

26:54that one. It's also when, when we as better as if you get annoyed with a sports book writer, you also have to consider that. Also, like, oh, he's not getting paid enough to care in this right in case Jeff Isaacs. I come to Vegas one time a year for March. Madness usually bet all the games attending to have fun, hoping to make a few bucks, but I always have multiple apps slash accounts to make sure I'm getting the best number. I'd rather not bet if I didn't have options. Joseph Frieda, I recall one offshore book I had did a bet the board promo where if you bet all the Sunday NFL games, you got a free half point on them. A whole point would have been nicer. I think it was legends or P.I.G. Pig at that time. He says agree on Fandole having a sharper line than most would think they won't hesitate to put minus 115 leans when others don't. And those can often be the right sides quote unquote, been that way since Fandole started in New Jersey, all of these years. And he says always like the discussion of the Westgate Super Bowl prop night and the history of it each year. When seeing coverage of those in line, it feels like an annual hustler's convention. He says many sharp people on that line. He's right. Yeah. Yes. If someone's

27:54standing there for $2,000, bets and going to the back of the line, you know, you had Frank B over there. You had some fairly sharp guys over there. I was bringing up a roofist, right? Rufus, he wasn't there yesterday though. Yeah. Well, I think he bets it. I don't think he has different priorities. You might have someone there. Yeah. Or he waits now because most of his just like mine. That's why I said next Thursday. I'm going to be betting most of my bets towards game time. Why? Because most are under for office, right? So he just, I think he waits a lot more than he used to do. Money gun guzz has bill heard of this. Your account goes under review when you log in. You ask your three questions that make it seem like you have a gambling edition. You answered no to all three. They say you're good to go on your account. And then a few hours later, they cut your limits. Oh, I don't know what this is from. Wow. I believe that. I've never seen that. I absolutely believe that that happens for sure. They're looking to slow you down and they're looking to, you know, yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of reasons. Let's first go into Vegas, policy. So I had them on my podcast yesterday. If anyone, you know, he sat with us for an hour. I recommend everyone watching this. This guy draws so many parallels to the way mine mindset is

28:59about casinos. But he's much smarter than me. He knows financials. He knows how to obtain information on casinos. How would you describe him? He's like a guy who does a lot of tiktoks. Yes. On on Vegas entertainment. Yes. In the many world, the financials, all that stuff. He ends every video with Vegas, policy. That's him. That's him. He ended our show like that to John. I wanted to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. John, John, John loves John Orlando. He loves like the world series of poker for someone to recognize him. So he loves like getting recognized. And you know, if he's in the middle of of urinating, he doesn't care. He's going to shake your hand. He lives for that. He lives for that. Hey, aren't you John Orlando? Oh, he loves that. Hey, man, I'm busy. So I didn't know until he say, can you crack? Can you come down to the world series? I mean, a couple of days we'll walk around and show you some. I know why he wanted to do it. He wanted people to recognize me or, you know, I him too, but I'm more of a standout. I don't know why I'm more of a standout character, but it must be something. But and he wanted to. Oh, John, yeah, John, I watch you all time. He loves that. He lived for that. Oh, he lives for that.

30:02I'll say it to right to him. I bury him on the show. I love John. John's a great. He's a very nice man. He's a very, he's a really nice guy. He's so nice to everyone. Helpful. So he, so he's the one that got Vegas, Paulie C to come on. I didn't even know if I wanted him on. I said, you know, I don't know, John, if that's the right fit for the art kind of show. And he was great. One of the best guests I've ever had in my life. I do. I'm doing the Vegas lifestyle pod today with Mark Meltzer. Okay. And with Tim Lawson from the Benner. You have done that show in the past. Yep. With Fesik. Um, Fesanon. Besanon. And I'm not on. That's weird. That is what it is. Oh, no, I apologize again. That's it. Tim Lawson. You know, this is a different group. No, these guys are more lifestyle. Meltzer has done it every. Yes. Meltzer has done it every. But he's a lifestyle guy like Vegas. I don't see it. So it's a with it is a show that people love once a year to get all these Vegas kind of things out. Yeah. So I totally get that about Vegas. Paulie C, I'm glad he worked out. You liked him in the end. Not liked loved. That was one of the best guests

31:02I've ever had in my life on any shows ever. I just let him talk and he was great. He was, he did that. He didn't say the human condition. That's our word. Yeah. But he did a thing on human condition. I'm going to make it a short and, and, and tweet it out. It was so good. I sat there and like, wow, I can't believe he thought that way. I didn't know he was a gambler like he was. So he sold a company got $3 million cash, blew it all in Vegas in a matter of, he put 500,000 had no idea about. I think he said one day or one week, he booked 500,000. His partner has his bar mitzvah money yet still this, this is this partner, which is Vegas, Paulie C, he came in. Yeah. And I thought that was his words, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. He blew the whole thing at the Maraj. He blew all this. He went totally broken. He still admits to being at the generic gambler. He said, I can't help it. I'm going to gamble all my money away. He said, I can't help it. It's probably season. Yes. Wow. He was very open about everything. That's awesome. The show was great. Please, if I want to tell you some guys, he was open about it. If you even watch it after the Super Bowl, if you don't have time now, watch that pocket. It comes out today.

32:06Watch that pocket. It's not me and John talking. It's just him. And he just, we gave him a little subject thing that he just went off and he doesn't hold nothing back. He goes after casinos that he feels he's thrown at up. He's not a lot of film in certain casinos. Really? Because he knows their financials, knows their seat. He talks about the head of seizures, the head of fountain blue, the head of resorts world, about them talking in media, things they shouldn't say. Yeah. Like, I didn't even know he knew he, he's so good that that, so that's get me riled up to go after my casino. No, no, not not my casino. Listen, here's the deal. I actually love stations, casinos for the casinos themselves, the dining, the entertainment, the show, the rango station, gorgeous, the rango. Love that place. Red rock, gorgeous. I love sunset station. I love green valley ranch, great local properties. Yeah. I just get mad at the sports book, the way they're on the sports book and they throw people out that win or they limit them. So I had a guy,

33:06come, I ran into that he was betting 50 to $100 a game for the last couple of years. Well, he started betting $200 to $300 on proposition bets. Oh, don't do that. NFL props to 300. They froze his account, made him come in and berated him and said, you're betting two to 300. You don't bet that way normally. You don't bet that way. What's going on with you? Why are you betting more? Are you joking? So now they said, and plus your deposit, you only posited a thousand or two, 90 depositing five thousand. I don't like this and threw him out for six months. He's not a lot to play on the app. And they said, you can come to the counter once per day. Holy did was batting. Showed me the thing. I was like, no way. He was betting $200, $300. They said, you're betting more than you bet for the last two years. If this wasn't you telling the story, I would, I would not believe during the break. I said to you, I said, you know why? I don't want to say this. People aren't going to believe it. I touch a Bible. I seen it. I touch a Bible. I'm what I seen. That's right. Two to three. God, you wouldn't stop that, man. He's trying to win.

34:10More with crack on the other side. It's a numbers game. Advice of these sports betting network. Back on a numbers game, live from Circa Resort, Casino, downtown Las Vegas, Gil Alexander, Bill Crackham Burger, unscripted. You can follow him on Twitter at Bill Crackman. That's Crackman, K-R-A-C-K-Man as I would think you would spell it, except K on the crackman. Name of the podcast is Wise Cracks, which he does with the aforementioned John Orlando. Great dude. It likes to be recognized though, apparently. Yeah. These are we get tweets. French rabbit. Bill, I was diagnosed with ADD as an adult myself. Got meds and changed my life. I'm smart like you, so I could always get by, but never saw success like I'm seeing now. Love listening to you. Good luck and happy to be resource for you if you need. Wow, very nice. Thank you. I made DMU Mr. Rabbit. Uh, Mr. Rabbit. If that's how you prefer to be called Dave Montgomery for Kelly,

35:15the Botox shots from migraines do work. I found that it's not a night and day difference, but it's definitely better. Give it a shot. See what he did there. Shot. Oh, Doug. Jack ol acquired. Gil Walter Payton volunteered. Oh, we're talking about the William refrigerator Perry scoring a touchdown in Super Bowl 20. And uh, Walter Payton did not get a chance to do so. He said, Gil Walter Payton volunteered in an assistant basketball coach at Hoffman State's High School where my kids went. He'd give the player of the game his Super Bowl ring to wear until their next game. That is until one of the kids lost the ring. Luckily Walter got it back. Wow. Wow. What a story. That is you imagine. Yeah, here we're this for for Walter Payton. Um, no, obviously passed away far to you. What a what a great duty. Got to see him at the fight Tyson Spinks fight in the Atlantic City. Walter Payton and Chuck Norris. They were very nice. Very nice. Two very nice guys that were there also Richard Pryor that night. That's one of the amazing Wow. Think about that. I went to Tyson Spinks Tyson Holmes. It was like in 1988. And uh,

36:17there was so many celebrities there and and then when my mom passed, I went and looked at the old photo albums. They were the pictures. I was like, wow, look at the Peyton. You look so great. You know, that's the difference between me and you. I watched that to close circuit TV at the Capitol Center to land over Maryland. I just had a lucky connection. I was only a kid and a lucky connection to see those two fights. One was 93 seconds. I believe I think it's thanks was 93 seconds was 93 or 97 something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, not the shortest Tyson knockout by the way, that was marvelous. Frazier. Yeah. Yeah. Tyson Holmes also, which, you know, Holmes is at the end of his career at the end. Yeah. Just to pick up and pick up a big paycheck, I think. Um, I met him multiple time pictures with Larry Holmes, such a nice man, such a nice man. I asked him about Muhammad Ali. You know, he didn't want to fight him. He didn't want to beat him up like, like he did. And we talked. We were alone actually. Um, that was what was that Ali's last fight. Was it? No, actually, I think, no, I think he fought like Berbick or some Trevor Burbick was after that. You're right. 1980. I think I loved boxing back then. Why am I not on, you know, I guess it's just a different time. But um, Larry Holmes still with us, by the way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

37:19Yeah. No, I have a great picture of him. I let's go back to this rotten stations. Yeah. No, but because in the middle of when we were off air just now, guys, gill and I were talking. And he's like, that is just unbelievable. Imagine someone saying to you, this is not your betting pattern. You're betting. You're talking about a couple hundred dollars. It's not like you guys bet $1,000 on every prop. He's betting 50 bucks before. So. And by the way, he only bet for like, I think you bet for two months ready for this. He said he won six hundred and thirty dollars. His profit was six hundred and thirty bucks. He was betting three hundred dollars a prop. He did the positive five thousand dollars. He was betting like the last three weeks of the NFL. And then he bet the first weekend of playoffs and his account was frozen. They he called the customer service number. They said, oh, yeah, we're going to have just here's your new password. Didn't work. Have a supervisor call you back. Didn't work. They said, well, you have to go in and talk to them. So he went in and he was berated like they were waiting

38:22for this guy. Get this three hundred dollar better. Get him. You know, that's the highest bet he made was three hundred bucks. He bet two hundred and three hundred on props. Unbelievable. And they said, you're betting pattern. And I'm actually wrong. It was twenty five to fifty to a hundred dollars. He said, you haven't bet more than a hundred dollars here in two years. Now you're betting two hundred dollars and three hundred dollars on player props. Something's going on. Someone's advising you. We don't want your business anymore. You're off the app. And dude, my my famous dispute with the Westgate back in 2020, right? They went to any extreme to try to they made up whatever they wanted to make up to try to make me look bad. They said, the guild doesn't have a thousand dollars to bet on this. He must have been getting bets for someone else. They even brought up Alan Boston's name in the hearing. Alan Boston doesn't bet women's tennis, right? Well, it's just no way he would give you anything to bet anyway. That's not your connection. By the way, I wouldn't take it for me on Boston. I believe my numbers are far better. No, the point is the point is in both stories. These book like they the Westgate completely made up

39:26stuff like that, right? On me, by the way, then they spent years later saying that I'm the liar when they're the complete liars. Let that be on record. You want me to get you back in? I can get you under all of it. Careless about them, right? But I'm a genuine. So this is this is this is a I'm not sure a very consistent behavior with books doing this kind of thing like, oh, how do we how do we figure our way out of this? Like I said, they all we all know. Yes, the heads of the book, the managers, the owners of the casino, they all want you to lose. Of course they do. But it's not so blunt. It's not so blatant. Some of these places are so blatant. I hate when someone lies. You can listen, I'm open for constructive criticism. If you do it in the right way, but when you lie, like I had someone lie about me, how about people lie about you and then they accuse you of being the liar? That's the worst of the worst. I never heard that. And you have all their friends take their side because they're just friends. Dude, it believe me. One day when we write the book, right? I'll be thrilled to go through every detail, but this is this is that

40:30kind of behavior. Speaking of which, someone sent you the book, right? You said one of your guys sent you that, which one? The book that I'm talking about. You said someone sent you the book that we were talking about earlier. They got it wrote the book. No. I mean, you said you someone tweeted it to you. The book about the guy that interviewed the Fandall guys. Oh, yeah. So there I still don't know. So this I would figure I would have thought right away. We would have got a former Fandall CEO admits ads or a lie. Oh, that's the head. That's it. That's the head. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's the head. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Um, have a friend staying in town. He is going from a casino to casino. You know, he's staying in for a month. That's people do that. You stay here for a month. You just, you know, and they go from it's hard to get a room for more than seven days. Actually, it's hard to get room more than five days. And they don't want to give you five. They want to give you three or four. Then you have to go to a host and establish a relationship. If you don't have one already, and they can do some extending. So anyway, he's standing in some different places.

41:30I was with him at Fountain Blue. Absolutely. Love the rooms, the place, the casino itself. It's actually beautiful inside. Vegas policy did a great job talking about that too. I used to say the ambiance of Miami International Airport in 1973 on the casino floor. They do studies on what colors are pleasing to the eye. Yeah. Um, where Steve win. I got I got this from Vegas policy. Probably see yesterday. Steve win knew that red was just a nice warm. It's very warm compared to blue. No blue. Well, Steve win also had a bit of a, um, a geographical take on the red as well. That it was for each represented a very, uh, a positive color. Let's say in Asian culture. Yeah. With that as well. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, anyway, Fountain Blue was just really nice. Good. I told you, I like Mother Wolf over there. Some great restaurants there. This sports book is nice.

42:31I think it's actually stations. I think I don't know if it stations or it's they're using stations lines, but it's a very nice sports book now. And it's a nice place. The place is really nice. Now he goes over to Caesars independent. I'm told by the way. All right. Okay. He goes over to Caesars. He said, ah, thank God. The location means that much. He said over there. I had circus circus across the street. I don't go in there. He, I like walking in the other casinos around. He goes, Oh my God. It's so nice to be at the flamingo and and go and walk through there. Check the machines out in there. Maybe go over to horseshoe, Paris, Bellagio. See, it's, it's really a center of the strip. It's so nice. And um, his room was really nice and stuff. So other said, I know I go after Caesars to a lot for not allowing winning sports betters or limiting them. But the property itself is, is a, is a, you know, it's unbelievable. You walk into that lobby. And it's, it's right out of the hangover. It's like, wow. Look at this. This place is this. Is this, is this where the real Caesar lives? Right. Right. Right. Excuse me. Excuse me. Is this

43:35where the real? It really, it really is. It's just some nice. I don't want to always be so negative about Vegas. Here's some really nice thing. Great meals. We've been going with some great meals. Oh, no, or into our entire podcast we're about to do is just in celebration of Vegas. Yeah. In celebration of Vegas. No, it really is. Restaurants and concerts. Maybe not so much celebration of prices during March, madness or the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. I went to Peter Wurgers. He had a comp. Went to Peter Wurgers. I want to tell you, I still say it's one of the best steaks in town. Steak was unbelievable. People come after me and say, you aren't crazy. That's garbage. garbage. I know steak houses. That's a very good steak. I have not had a steak. Very good. And the burgers great there too. They made a great, great burger. But so now he's seven stars. So he gets these drinks per day for free. Let's go get our drinks and we'll put them back on there. Diamond can do that too. And I thought about it. That's what Fez does. If you go to Steve Fezix House, he has enough drinks. Like if there's a major apocalypse, he don't have to worry. No, he's, he said, I can't not believe like he's got 7,000 bottles of water. They might have actually taken away from Diamond. It might only be a seven star thing. It's really cool for drinks

44:37a day, but it's a sickness. You have to, you have to get them. He has to get them. He goes, no, we have to get those drinks. I said, what, what, what? Yeah, we have to walk 650 yards. They can't let a day go by. I'm referring to my friend. He has to get those drinks back to the room because I don't care. Take them home. Yeah, I just have to can't, we can't, we've got to get those drinks. You know, but anyway, I just thought about Steve there. Thank you. And next week, we'll have some stuff for you guys. Bill Crackenberger talking about Super Bowl props next week on the show on the script. Thank you. Kelly's next coming back on a numbers game.