A Numbers Game | February 8, 2026 | Hour 2

0:00This is V-Sense, the sports betting network. The numbers told the story they always do. Swampdow's idiots who believe in analytics. This is a numbers game. With Gill Ivexander gone V-Sense. Our number two of a numbers game, big game edition. Right here at V-Sense, these sports betting network, V-Sense.com, Game Plus, Ihard Radio, YouTube, TV, Series XM, Channel 158. I don't know if all those are affiliates, like they always are, but I just thought I'd throw them out. Yeah, good job. Wherever you're listening, you're watching. We appreciate it. Yeah. By the way, it's not just us who are here today. Mitch and Paul were on earlier. John Hansen will be here with a special edition of Prop Points after us. Story and JVT with money moves after that. All day long, Matt and Mike met Brown, like Sommage during the game. Dustin afterwards. It's the easiest halftime decision ever for me. It's flipping over to Feeson. It's a Matt and Mike. Yeah. Easiest decision ever. Yeah. Just with a halftime being like 45 minutes. Should be fun. Put me in time.

1:00I'm sure Matt would have something sarcastic to say about this right now. If you were saying in front of him, but yeah, should be fun. I agree with you. Ladies and gentlemen, still to come this hour. Chris Felica and Kelly and I will talk about our bets again. We'll talk MVP and other stuff as well. But as part of our windfall, once again, of all of our great guests on the numbers game, we tried to get them all into ours, but we couldn't. It's Bill Crackenberger, everybody. It's our unscripted with Bill Crackenberger, each and every Thursday here on the show. He joins us now. I think from his home here in Las Vegas with the old Fox radio logo behind him. Where are you, Bill? I am. I hope my home studio just got off air. Fox Sports radio. I would try to do with Jeff Schwartz and Brian. No, just finished. That's three hours. And yeah, we do. We interview one of the directors of risk. I was surprised that they told me when he told me when he told me only 40% of the handle is being is in right now.

2:01So 60% of the handle. That's amazing to me. That's a super ball. Like. He said, yeah, we expect about every year. This happens. He said. At this time of the day, we're like five hours to go. He said, it's about 40% historically. We get 60%. And you're talking hundreds of millions coming up. I mean, it's, it's really amazing to me. People are still so. What do I bet? What do I bet? What do I do? I'm, you know, I'm not saying anything's wrong with that. I'm just a little bit surprised by it. But of course, that's, of course, I bet sports world. And so maybe that's the reason why I look at it like that. And also he surprised us with. Last week when he came on at the time, it was only 10% and less than 10%. It was 69% Seattle money. He surprised me here with saying it's 50, 50 right now. So. Interesting. Bill has. It was pretty surprised. Bill has his favorite prop of the day. By the way, coming up, which he did not reveal on last.

3:02No numbers. Brand fill. We'll get, we'll get to that one. Really. But I just want to, I just want to say, because you said it right there, Billy, which is, we probably are surprised by this because we're, you know, we, we're immersed in this. We're too close to the sum. Whatever the expression is. We do this all the time. I got a text just like, just like you're referring to. I got a text this morning from a buddy of mine in, in DC, actually in New York, where he is right now. And he's like, all right, what are we betting today? And then at the end, I swear, I swear he said this. He goes, is the coin toss a good bet? Oh, no. I'm serious. I'm serious. Wow. So that's what you know, so it doesn't now knowing that it doesn't really surprise me. That's 60% of the hand will still be coming out. I mean, I was both you because we didn't get a chance to ask Chris this last segment. But I like Bill, we're still waiting on all those bets to come in. Where do you think we close at? And I'm not, I'm going to remove myself because I guess I've been kind of wrong on this since last week. I have four and a half and 45 at surker right now. You think that's where we close at? Yeah. Four and a half. And maybe even four and a half minus 15.

4:03I'm expecting. And now that I'm here in this and thinking about the public. I'm expecting a lot of public money to come in on Seattle. If it hasn't already. And, and you know, this is one of those years where I called it on the numbers game on Sunday. On Thursday. Sorry. Killing. I talked about it. That low money line did not come. You know, usually lost Vegas. That's where you can lay it. Keep it the pros were saying you could lay it with. Oh, but game time you could lay one 90 on this one 95. Not happening. Not happening. Not happening. The lowest money line in town is right there where you guys are surker minus 220. I just looked about 10, 15 minutes ago. But where do I see things coming out? Not a sharp book like surker, but I see public money coming in. I guess in droves. And I think probably the books are going to be rooting for the Patriots. Plus, plus the points. Four and a half. And a couple of you know, I noticed this.

5:03The sharp sports books that control some of the lines on far off places are all at five. Three of them. I saw that five on the game. There was even a five and a half for a while. Like this morning. I was shocked at that. Yeah. Bookmaker is correct. Yeah. Bookmaker is correct. The Chris brand. They were at five and a half. So a lot of money coming in. What the sharp books on the favorite. That's the reason why this game is so hard to predict for such an efficient line. I know it's. I throw that line out there all the time over and over. That's why the money's in the props. The money's in the props. The stuff that you can't go to the counter and bet more than a dime or two. Yesterday, I bet a prop at surker. I was actually surprised at that one dime max limit on a prop. So that goes to show you. If someone comes with a million dollars to the counter, they'll take it right there at the counter. Right. Right down from you guys. A prop. Like I said, one of the props. I bet yesterday that a dot. A matter of fact, I'm going to give that prop out here. Here. When you guys are ready. This is.

6:03Probably my strongest prop. I bet it at surker. I was. I was. I was looking to bet. Bet a lot more there on this. Still available right here. I'm seeing at bed. MGM. At the. I'm probably going to bet it. But I'm going to give the public a chance to. To find a better line. First or better. Would you like it now? Are you want to wait? I'll just say the two props that you gave out earlier in the week. Yeah. Mac Holland's. Of the Patriots under two and a half receptions of minus 150. Kenneth Walker, the third, of course, of the Seahawks under two and a half receptions at minus 110. Those are the two that Bill gave out on Thursday and Bill at the time said. It's not going to be like the most heavily bet Super Bowl. I don't know if you still agree with that. But yes, the time is now. What do you got? What's the new one? Everyone. Everyone's isn't it amazing that people that that that text us. I must have 15 texts that people that only text me one time a year. They text me today. Crackled. We got this year. What do we got? Okay. Are you alive? Are you dead?

7:03Are you still here? You have the same phone number? You know, nothing. Just what you got. What do you got? Once a year. How's the family? Nothing. Under on. Let's hold on. No, no, no, no. I'm not a good president. Are you. The two wonders you got. All right, this is going to be an over bet. And it's going to be, I'm looking here over receptions by Henderson over a half, minus two to one of MGM. That's the line we'll use It's in front of me. You might be able to find a little better. I found my minus $1 or $80. I think it was $1.90. Over there at a circle. I think he, I think they're going to go to him for one of these little screens. So that's all about what you do, you read what the guys that are watching the practices and stuff. And we're here and they're going to go to him for a little screen. All I need them to do is catch it, you know, gain a yard or two or three or four, whatever it is. So Henderson over, that's going to be my, my play for you guys. It's actually a stronger, probably a little bit of a strong.

8:03I'll stop them and order there. Henderson, Hollins, and then Walker, though, that's the order of those three. That one though. Yeah. Yeah. So a lot of people will hear them, they'll be like, wait, minus 180 values, value, man, minus 180. You're saying it's not that much. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't lay that kind of juice. I don't, I really don't, I like taking juice on things. For me to lay that kind of juice, I must like this bet. So it's, it's, it's something I like and I think it's something that's still available at many books, of course, at that number. And it's just, remember, don't over bet your bank role. You don't want to bet. You know, nothing crazy. You know, people say one to two percent. I'll say you could bet up to like three, four, maybe even teetering on five percent on 20 prox or whatever, you know, put the whole bank role at risk. Go ahead. You're not going to lose everything. But yeah, no, I mean, these are positive VZ bets a long term, but you don't want to

9:04over bet your bank role and everything. You don't want to get caught up live betting going crazy, but doing that kind of stuff for the game. You guys wouldn't believe this what I'm doing right now. So now I just finished my three hours show on Fox Sports Radio. And now I am doing your show, of course, I'm not doing any other interviews. I've put there's a couple that wanted to, but I have to run around a little bit. I'm going to walk. I'm not going to run. But downtown, downtown Las Vegas, Randy McCays down there and he's doing what he says is a lot of stealing. So I'm going to maybe bang around, see what I'm going to see. Like maybe the nugget has on some of their props at the kiosk. Some of them maybe maybe go to sneak down to the L Cortes and I they don't really care for me there. I don't think, but we'll see if we can see what they got over there. I got the mustache and they have the hat backwards. I should be good. Yeah. Yeah. We're okay. So all said and done. Do you think you will have a sort of normal amount that you normally have on a super

10:04role less than you normally have a little less less less for sure. Okay. Sure. Less for sure. Yeah. And then remind us where you end up watching the game. I'm going to go. Yeah. I'm going to go to the the Westgate. I'm going to go over to the Westgate, watch the game today. First time that I've probably been on the sports book watching the Super Bowl and my god. I don't even want to know how long. I think the last time was in Atlantic City 10 years ago. I usually watch it home alone with action, but I have a lot. The action. Yeah. That's right. Yes. That was the last time. Yeah. That's very good. Good. Let's exactly right. We watched it at a resort in Atlantic City. But I have, I have some people in town and they're, you know, they want to go out and watch the game and they were nice enough to give me a spot over there. And how about, how about over there and you guys are you, if you turn around, is the place full yet? Or is it? Wait, no, it's too early. It's five hours. Too early. We'll try it, Bill. Actually, I'm a little surprised. Yeah.

11:04Still quiet. Yeah. Still time. It's way more than hearing Christian, the head of bed MGM tell me that only 60, that only 40% of the bets have been made. I, for some reason, I thought, like, I don't know 90% of the money is in. Here's the real question. As, as we leave, Bill. Who, here's the real question. At what point do they did they start to ban it? Well, you know, it's three hours from now. They're like, yeah, we still expect this about like, I really wonder if there's a time, well, right now they're very calm about it. And so we're 40% of 80% real. Where. Yeah. Thank you, man. Can't thank you enough. Thank you guys. Good luck with all the bets, man. Enjoy the day. Okay, guys, I'll talk to you later. Thank you very much. Thanks for following watching everything. Take care. The greatest Bill Crackenberger at Bill Crackman with the K, the name of his podcast wise cracks, which he does with John Orlando Kelly and I talk MVP and other markets. Next on a numbers game right here at Visa, special edition. You're here because you want an edge. That's what separates listeners from winners, but let's be real mindset alone doesn't get bets home pros win because they've got the tools the data and the discipline.

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13:11I'll take off the glasses, Cronkite style and read some tweets. Love it. Jim Katz at B the book. Great lineup. Thank you, Jim. It sure is today, man. We had to bring them all out for Super Bowl Sunday. Lance Schaefer, I put these in around week six after the DVOA appearance on your show from Aaron Shatz. Please get Kelly a new promo picture. He looks like a different person these days. He deserves it. Oh, he got the Seahawks to win the NFC. I believe and then to win the Super Bowl way back in week six. Lance Schaefer, if I'm seeing that correctly. String fellow hawk, great hearing you guys on Super Bowl Sunday. As I continue my tradition of avoiding all pre pre pre game coverage, dude, I'm with you. I am with you besides, of course, Veson, just mainstream media. I could not care less about watch. He says I got the Pats plus six minus one 30 getting together with some hopeless gambling frat brothers to put together some SGPs for fun. I couldn't save him, Gil. Man, I'm sorry. It's got to create life. What are you? Make a sci-fi cap alpha sci-fi? Hopefully it's a wrap, brother. String fill. It's a Buddhist man.

14:11There's no shame in copying or consulting. Todd Wischneff's in-game college basketball. Please always talk about physics performance. He said, especially after his performance yesterday, elevating to another new season high mark. Oh, yes. Todd, he started the day. Oh, and three. I think you finished like 17 and five. Up 139 units on the here. Merle Betts. Good morning, Gil, mostly for physics and Todd, the Super Bowl Sunday allow for some opportunity to get better numbers on other sports that may not get as much attention for books. Have a great day. Go see Hawks. No, but I'm glad you I'm glad you I'll answer it. My way, which is, yeah, I'm glad you brought this up because Roxy Rocksboro, the former head of Las Vegas sports consultants, he came on the show and he gave the greatest Super Bowl day hack, which is he does his baseball season win totals bets in the middle of Super Bowl lines because the the ticket writers are so quick, you know, so in need of getting through everybody and it's such a time driven thing that no one's going to stop him from betting five K on it like a guardian's under. Yeah, that's just like that's slightly different.

15:13I think from what the tweets are asking about as far as like we always used to say things like that and think that like, hey, I'm betting NBA today. Am I going to catch them sleeping on an NBA line? If someone gets well, I those are things we like to say, Gil, I don't know anymore, right? Like all these books have such dedicated teams to every one of these sports. I doubt you're getting that those kind of, you know, you know, able to make those kind of moves these days. But it still makes sense that it would happen more today than other days. Jack O'Lequire, Gil, Jimmy and I watching a numbers game from the Southpoint, love hearing all the pro picks, definitely playing some of them, including your alt lines, hoping to see Physic and Crack or hope or was great to see Physic and Crack enjoy your well-earned vacation. Thank you, Jack. Appreciate it. Minky monkey man. Happy Super Bowl Super Bowl day, Gil. I can't decide if I lover despised Physic. I liken him to David Samson from the Levittar Exposed Marlins universe. Great show as always. Thank you. Thank you very much. Chance Copperpot, our guy vibing with the Todd Wishneve crew in the chat listening to Vison with Crack while I cook chili. Life doesn't get much better than this unless the Seahawks win in the Pats cover.

16:14Stop betting Bobo people. He's not getting a catch. He says, oh, chance. No, like this is. I'm glad you're enjoying it. I'm like freaking out for you, man. Like, oh, I don't know. Play some golf, go to a batting cage or so. You just need this game to start already. Paul Zang letting people know if they want New England at plus five and a half, they can get it at bet three sixty five. And Joseph Frieda said we talked about the Fandole in this week, minus four and a half right now, minus four and a half minus one 18 right now. That seems as strong as minus five and a half minus one 10. Guess they don't want big Seahawks bets right now. And Fred Currier, huge two hour number two opening with the crack man. Felica standing by as well. That's also like just it. Don't stop. I'm not saying it's an unfair point with that tweet with the Fandole kind of indicator. But like I also don't understand why Fandole is always like minus one 12 minus one 18. Like it's always like it's always a weird big number. You said you saw some props you wanted to bring up. Well, I was trying to find flyover props. List. No, I could not. I could not find. Of course, I stumbled into a few extra fun ones though to discuss. Go one of the one of these we're going to kill.

17:14I'm going to kill some pricing on. Okay. And there's this one example of no no option being listed. Oh, yeah. Okay. Will there be a butt fumble only 10 to one? That's only 10 to what? How is that only 10 to what? Also, like can you imagine the dispute that's going to come with that? Oh, yeah, I can't yeah, how they're actually creating that. It grazed his right cheek. Okay. Didn't you bring up a good point because it's probably going to lead me into my next one. I bring up, but I kind of want to bet this one. Even though the price should be better, will there be a hook and ladder play for four to one on the? Yes, I kind of like that. I'm such a believer. We're such believers in that play that like I think there's a pretty I actually think there's a chance that we should we should see that will they actually do it. I don't know. Look at Latin. Never fails the other one. I'll tell you I feel like the if you want to bet vibes of the NFL season, you bet that one and you bet the over longest field, right? How many set Mondays did we just sit up here doing the numbers game? And guessing lines and looking back at games like, well, there it is. Another just 56 yard or no problem on a numbers game. We threw up the kicker stats every week of playoffs.

18:14And it's just insane how good these guys are now. Twiles 12. So that one's so down in the one last one. Will there this actually is a yes, no up there. Will either back up quarterback attempt to pass the nose minus 600, which I don't that still feels like to me. Yeah, to attempt to pass all it takes is one injury. That's the problem. I mean, you're screwed. If so, as soon as that all takes a several MVP, Sam Darnold. This is actually a pretty good number. This is a draft Kings plus one 20s about as good as you're going to see right about. Now this is drifted slowly throughout the two weeks. It was that plus one 35 then plus one 25 plus one 20. I see more plus one 10s and plus one 15s and plus one of fives to be honest with you. Yeah, I did my shopping for this yesterday to finally join you. You're absolutely right. I was able to get one 25, but I think that was that circa behind us. Yeah. And it was you're right. One 15 was the very common number out there at that point. So if you're thinking again, Darnold plus one 20 or if you're thinking Darnold MVP plus one 20s about as good as you're going to get there a draft Kings Drake May Patriots quarterback plus two 40.

19:21The only other players and single digits are two other Seahawks JSN Jackson Smith and jig, but five to one Kenneth Walker, the third at plus eight 50 everybody else starting with Ramondra 28 to one or longer. And again, we did a little breakdown. Kelly did a great job with this with covers giving us our MVP stats through the years. Just here are the most recent ones, right? These are the most recent MVP winners as you will see in the last 10 years. Seven of them have been quarterbacks, two wide receivers and then 10 years ago. It was Von Miller, Von Miller, the last defensive player to win an MVP that was for the Broncos and Super Bowl 50. But since then, it was all quarterbacks with the exception of two others, which are wideouts and that, of course, is a reflection of how the game has changed all five wideouts that have won a Super Bowl MVP have occurred since 1998. Otherwise, it's still quarterback heavy, right? So if you're thinking of other because if you're thinking of running backs, for instance, like running backs in a in a in a distant day and age of the NFL right to 70s and 80s, that was a thing.

20:27Yeah, it's not a thing anymore, right? As we know with the game here, by the way, is the Super Bowl MVP history since 98, all wide receivers, that's the entirety of wide receivers that are ever won an MVP in the Super Bowl, five have happened since 1978, but 17 still, excuse me, 19, 1998, pardon me, quarterbacks have happened 17 times since then all wideouts at five, four defensive players, three linebackers, the most recent again, Von Miller, the one defensive back was dexter Jackson of the bucks after the 2002 season. Yeah, it's just it's truly fascinating to break up like you hit on right the wide receiver and running back just change. This is how this is what is changed in the Super Bowl MVP. You were talking about in the history of the Super Bowl seven running backs seven that sounds pretty good ending zero since 1990 ending with Charelle Davis in 1998. And here is all 59 Super bowls 34 have been quarterbacks 10 on defense, followed by the seven running backs, Kelly just alluded to the five wideouts in recent history.

21:27And then the one time kick return to put return that was Desmond Howard for the packers in that Super Bowl against the Patriots, Brett Farves Super Bowl win back in the day. So there you go, the par sales Patriots at that point and here are the most recent defensive players, we just alluded to, there was one in between Von Miller and Dexter Jackson. That was Malcolm Smith, the linebacker for the for the Seahawks, but really like, I mean, Ray Lewis before that Larry Brown for the Cowboys in 96, a Richard Dent for the Super Bowl shuffle bears. Yeah, I just, I love that this going through this type of stuff and you can see how voting has just evolved and changed and I think this is a Super Bowl girl where you're hearing a lot of people, well, we hear the kickers every year, right? Yeah, I was here a kicker like, yeah, I met him it up 200 to one and just, okay, if you want a better 200 on people have people have content to fill. Yeah, yeah, but the other one I think bigger here is that you do, I think the defenses could rise up and be big in this game. I do think there's a possibility of that happening, just know if you're running to bet MVP, though, this, this is how few times we've truly seen it go to a defender over the year.

22:30So you just need to be aware, be aware of how this usually goes and the odds that you're betting into not that not to entirely dismiss the kicker thing, but just just give it an example. Let's say the Seahawks were to win this game nine to nine to zero, let's just make it stupid, right? Jason Myers kicks all three field goals. Nobody does anything specifically awesome. Don't they still give it to Sam Darrell at that point if he does anything? I mean, probably, but that's the other one where we've seen this semi recently. It was the Rams, the Rams Patriots won. We had a really low scoring game. And then you had Edelman win it, right? Because, okay, the quarterbacks don't do much. I actually think that's more the path for the wide receiver to break out. You're going to need like an 18 to nothing game with six fields, like something like that and like a few 50 arters, right? It's fun to talk about. It just doesn't happen. I mean, theory, it should happen more these days, though, because of the distance. That's true. Someone bangs a 63 arters, something like that has a different story to win it. Chris Felica, the bear on the other side, numbers game right here at Vecin.

23:33Numbers game on FESET, these sports betting network back on a numbers game live from circle resort casino downtown Las Vegas for super ball 60. Gill Alexander Kelly Bidlin everybody producing number nine so much more than a producer. Excited man. Oh, I'm pumped. I'm pumped. I should, I should, I should not have pulled up golf scores at all during the show, but I did. Oh, it didn't work out there. So yeah, I got me kneeling, got her up in the mix, but ever since, ever since me and Chris Felica spent about two minutes, took two minutes to build up, got her up on Friday. It's, it's just been about 20 pars in a row for him. Got her up. We get tweet speed in the book. String fellow hawk. Oh, I was wondering was the Omega sci fi was a Kappa Alpha, he says, no, he goes only the greatest frat ever five beta sigma. Return to the Incorporate Buddhist man, quoting cring crowding crack put the whole bag roller wrist. What's the difference? You're not going to lose everything. We could possibly go wrong. He says Sunday crack a whole different guy than 30 crack was. I don't know what that was about. Jason H 11. What a day. A numbers game, Olympics, waste management, live betting with Todd, there'll be zero NFL until kickoff. You to decide your positions on the two man, Luzia, no, no, and Los Vegas from the DMV says, yeah, this Super Bowl doesn't have me excited.

24:45What I am excited about is my Mamba sauce DC zone wings, no Buffalo anything, including the bills, LOL asking on Kelly, has he ever had Mamba sauce? You ever had that DC? What is it? What's it like? It's very Mamba, he's what it is. Capital City Mamba sauce, you know, a little half smoke, a mix of barbecue and sweet and sour. Yeah, that sounds damn good. The, here's the thing you have a Kelly has just sent my entire day into a frenzy by suggesting fried chicken as a meal today. I think I will be doing fried chicken. Oh, you know, it's always nice about a Super Bowl Sunday when you have a guy on the show that he's so excited about the game, he would, he would be willing to talk about it for two more weeks. Ladies and gentlemen, the bear from Fox Sports, Chris Felica joins us now courtesy of the progressive guest line. How are you doing, Chris? I'm not, not in a great buying frame right now, a bliver pole, better team at home, somehow, no points, loses to one blowing the lead to, to city. So I'm, I'm already was so excited about the afternoon at my excitement has even diminished even that much further now, but I will say, if you, if you're looking for,

25:56for fried chicken this afternoon, you should go, you should just, does, does Joe's do take out? Can you order a chick fried chicken from Joe's and pick it up and take it out because the fried chicken at Joe's is fantastic. Really? Oh, Joe, who? Joe, Joe Stone crab, Joe Stone crab, it's easier. Oh, I did not know that Joe Stone crab does fried chicken. It's, it's still. It's easier. It is the bet. After the, after the, it's run up there with the, with the tomatoes, the, the burl tomatoes, with the spinach and the Parmesan and the king crab legs, all three of those better than the stone crabs. Wow. Oh, my God. I was thinking going somewhere, a fancier like Popeyes, but okay, I'll put that on my list. All right, before we go, I'll pop it. Popeyes is fine too. I'm, I'm just something to say. And if like Joe's was easy for you, you might want to consider that before I get any hungry. Let's talk about this game. You are on the, we have our person, ladies and gentlemen on the show today. You are on the Patriots plus four and a half. Yeah, I just finally said, I can't, I talked about it earlier, like it seems like the simplest handicap in the world, but you know what?

27:02The Patriots have been defying things all year. And it's not, look, I know Seattle has played great in the postseason, but this was a team that needed an ear miracle to be 84 year old Philip Rivers coming in off of not playing for two and a half years at home, like it's not like there this unbelievably dominant team that doesn't have flaws and can't delay an egg in this type of situation. I, I, I respect my label, his ability to manage a game to kind of minimize his, his teams weaknesses and put them in a really good position to win. So yeah, I'll, I'll be that guy. I'll be the one who takes the Patriots plus the four and a half and be completely contrarian to everybody else and thinking that Seattle wins and wins relatively easy and covers. How old did you say Philip Rivers was 84 you said 84. Can you check on 84 Kelly? Make sure that's okay. When I started. I don't think he's telling me. When I started thinking of was saying months ago, with the MVP vote, took a lot of heat away from whoever ended up on rivers, still come back player of the year.

28:08I don't know. I saw that. I think there was one or two first place. Somebody violated the rules. Yeah, Kelly hates that. Kelly gets very angry when someone does that with awards. Good investigation though. I didn't see that. Yeah, I got that. Yeah. Well, Kelly and I both commented on this because we saw this off air. I kind of like this red zone interception plus 330. First of all, where did you find this? This is up at Draft Kings and full disclosure. I didn't even know this bet existed until Friday when I went on the Wake Up barstool show and one of the one of the barstool people, they had to be like, judge these big plus money props. And I was like, oh, wow, I think I'm going to have to tell this because one really stands out. And I think it makes sense because you think you have two quarterbacks who have attended see to get a little sloppy with the ball. And offensive line with the wing one that hasn't necessarily been great. Maybe we're not going to see a ton of red zone situations, but two defensive bat secondary that are that are very good and have a good playmaking ability. So yeah, plus 330 or so.

29:15Why why not take a little shot and I'll tell my friend friend friends at a barstool who brought that prop up to me as Dave Portnoy eats his pizza. It eats his way out of the Bay Area pizza at this point. By the way, just to clarify that red zone thing. So it's the line of scrimmage must be in the red zone. You can't like he pulled all down field and have someone pick it off the 10. It's not like ball 38 yard line. Oh, intercepted in the end. So now we have a place to be getting from the red zone. I like that. I wish I would have asked you for a good pizza place for Dave in the Bay Area. I don't even know if there is one. San Francisco is not a huge pizza place. But if you're willing to travel across the bridge, Zachary's in Berkeley right outside at Berkeley. Okay. Do you like deep dish though? It's a deep dish kind of thing. Yes. Fantastic. Fantastic. Fantastic. All right. You have sourdough crust or something like. No, no, good. Thank God sourdough. We don't do everything with sourdough. For God's it. Kelly hates sourdough. We need a nice, but nice water crust for you for your deep dish. I make my own deep dish, by the way. Do you really?

30:16The time to kill and I be over there. Every bet we're going to have. Catch the next flight. We'll catch the next flight myself, Molly and the cats. Come on over. Say, say, I don't mind. Exciting day. All right. You have a couple other props here. Where else did you go with these? I played last score of the game to be a touchdown. It's kind of the insuring. It's a little bit against the Patriots plus four and a half. Just just thinking like if the game is a little bit of a blowout and it follows the game. Like a lot of people think it might. You're probably going to be looking at a double digit lead for Seattle and probably a position where New England wouldn't really be thinking of kicking a field goal. Late in the game, then knowing that they're going to need a touchdown to touchdowns. Anyway, so I took light last score of the game touchdown and maybe New England has the lead and Seattle's down four and a field goal is irrelevant there. So I took last score of the game touchdown and then another one drape may under 38 and a half. I think might be market now. I've seen 37 and a half. I've seen 38 and a half. I saw as long as 40 and a half.

31:22And this is something that we were talking about in Fairbats with with Jeff Schwartz that the way the Seattle defense is kind of built. They really don't allow for a quarterback to really use his leg much and have a big say in the running game on the ground. I know he's been over 50 yards a couple of times in the playoffs so far, but this this this offensive game plan, I think, might be more about quick drops, quick passes to kind of help that offensive line out and not really put pay in a position potentially with that bum shoulder to take some hits and and hurt themselves there. So may best ever you can find under rushing yards. And that was one of those that start, I want to say, open it like 33 and a half. That's right. God, I think it opened like 29 29 and so everybody can say, I think it might have been under 30. Wow. So and everybody bet that up nine yards from 29 and a half to 38 and a half. And now you're just taking the under on that one for Drake May. Okay. Our final time here together. I was just thinking as you were talking, it's so funny how the how the cookie crumbles on something like a Super Bowl.

32:29Because you know, I have all these bets. Kelly has all these bets. Everyone has all these bets. But ultimately, if like one thing happens, your day is set. For me, it's one of two things. One of the if the Patriots were to get shut out. Right. I have a 50 to one on that. The Drew Dinsick bet. Nothing else would matter. Right. If that happens, I could care less about my other bets. Same thing with a with a certain commercial being aired and a calcium bet that we talked about during two weeks. If that happens, nothing else matters. What is it for you? That's the one. Yeah, that that that's it. And that was just a good, a good job by Maddie and Will on, I guess it was Friday night when they had the guest on and given the given a little bit of information. Yeah, that commercial there is that say, and that's one of the things which I think moving forward where you have calcium, you have polymarket, there are some things and some information out there that you can potentially act on. That isn't going to be up at a traditional sports book and being being able to look and find those. And this is just reminded me as well to look at calcium. I mean, I can't use here, but to look at calcium for some of the other entertainment props that still might be out there to be able to play. Yeah, for sure. What is it for you, by the way, Kelly? What's the one that if it hits nothing else matter?

33:45I just immediately pulled up the golf scoreboard again as soon as you asked that question, because that's the answer. Chris Goddard for Maverick McNeely. It'll and it'll be me for tennis tonight as well in Doha. Yeah, Goddard up to three under on the day to back. See you can every week is in contention. Anything else about food you want to mention, Chris, before you go, no, no, no, no. I have a cheese ball in the cheese ball right now. Okay, walk Molly. Okay. A little extra stuff. Oh, yeah, come on. Come on, my guys. Chris Velika numbers game, big game edition wraps up on the other side. We'll recap all our bets next. A number is game on. These sports betting network football meets flavor with visa and Omaha stakes. The official sponsor of tailgating right now. When you spend $129, you can score two pounds of fully cooked chicken wings, plus 50% offside wide at Omaha stakes.com slash VSIN. Don't wait, spend $129 get two pounds of wings and say 50%

34:56set side wide on stakes and more at Omaha stakes.com slash VSIN. That's Omaha stakes.com slash VSIN minimum purchase required. See site for details. I'll tell you, I kind of landed on fried chicken. Last night I started thinking about this and I started with wings. I was like, I'm going to do some wings and then I haven't had fried chicken. Well, somebody go ahead and kill me. Dan Groeschel on Twitter, betting on a running back to when Superl MVP is a waste. James White had 14 catches and three touchdowns. Good in the winter and overtime without stat line loses MVP to a wide out running backs never winning the award again. Dan hundred percent. I think it's a fair point. James White 14 catches three touchdowns, including the winter and overtime. Nope. Sorry, you're not MVP. Keep in mind. Also, they have to submit their MVP vote at the two minute warning. That's another great example, right? A game that when it ends on that, right? That's the end of the game when he scores that touchdown. There is no time to resubmit. Well, they're, they're asked to submit by the two minute warning and you're allowed to submit multiple multiple votes that won for each team in case something like that does happen.

36:02Hopefully, right, but if it happens on the final play of the game and they're all rushing out on the field, there ain't no resubmitting at that point. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know exactly how much stretch Scott C. Love in the show today. What a lineup. This is better than the game itself for me. You guys are the best. Thank you. Scott's very nice of you. Jason Stark driving back and Connecticut from Philly after going to a Nuclemania last night. Nuclemania, Kelly. That sounds like a party. Couldn't be a better drive with the numbers game, having all the bets best guests that usually take a week to hear from all in one show. Have a profitable Superbowl. Thank you, Jason. You too. And Charles and Connecticut. My brother calls me earlier wants to make his first sports bet ever asks how to do it. Not wanting to be bothered. I'll, I say I'll do it. How much would he like to bet? He pauses for a moment and says, I feel good about the under. I'll bet $1. Amen. First sport that ever go into the under. All right. Darren Frazier. I'm in the city right now. Bet's done heading home shortly. Tony's in North Beach. Yes. Tony's in North Beach. By the way, how did I forget that? Or do you have a better suggestion for lunch to either celebrate a winning day later, drown myself in a delicious misery. Let's go. Yes. Best pizza and San Francisco. Tony's in North, staple. How do I forget that?

37:10All right. I'm ashamed of myself. You want to talk gatorade first? You want to recap the bets first? Let's recap the best. We get all those in first. All right. Once again, this is two weeks culmination here for us anyway on a numbers game. And again, prop points follows us with John Hansen money moves with stormy and JVT after that. Tim Murray by the way, doing prop points with John, with John Hansen here, coming up special edition right after we're off here at the top of the hour. Then it is stormy and JVT with money moves followed by. The game itself, right? Mike Sommage Matt Brown doing the live show through the game itself and then Dustin sweetlecin after all is said and done. Yeah, grading them all tonight. Thanks to will jumping into. I'm screwing up Patriot Superbowls. That was the Falcons one that he had that game and that Brady. Yes. Oh, I know James White. We were talking about why receiver winning. Oh, that's what the tweet said. Yeah, no, no. Either way, no James White. So here are my bets. Again, two weeks culmination. Seahawks minus four. Minus one 28 first thing I bet. I'm thinking it's going to soar that line. Let me grab the four. Let me buy it down to the four. I'm still fascinated where this moves the rest of the day, Gil. And I think I'm just being an idiot for being fascinated by it because I don't know if it's really moving.

38:23As I was talking about with crack earlier, the first thing I saw was the five and a half off. Sure. And I'm like, wait, is this moving? Then I looked everywhere else was like, no, it's not moving. Okay, then added as the week progress. Seahawks minus C Hawks minus seven and a half plus 159 C Hawks minus 10 and a half plus 208. Sam Darnell MVP plus 125. Again, I think the path. If you are directional like I am on the C Hawks, the path for anyone else winning it, but Darnell to me is very slim based on all the things we've talked about. Seahawks to win in a shutout. If this hits and there's never been a shutout in the history of the zoo rule, two teams have scored three points. There was one in the 70s and a Cowboys Dolphins game. And then of course, more famously, more recently, the Rams scoring three hits, the Patriots, some years ago, several years back. But Seahawks to win with a shutout, 50 to one. If that hits, forget it. I'm good. Life of the national anthem, Kelly, I might have lost that already based on if you're reading the tea leaves, I have over 122 seconds. It is now lined at 116. Come on, Charlie Pooth, let it marinate. All right, just roll into the pole Walker song, man. Just continue. Kelly knows the Paul. That's all I know. Yeah.

39:28Why am I seeing Charlie pooping out here in the call Walker song? Come on. Hey, Paul Walker, may rest in peace. Jersey number first touchdown score under 11 and a half again. That gives me Jackson Smith and Jigbaugh. Gives me Cooper Cup. Gives me Ken of the Walker. Gives me Drake May, Keeshaan Booty, Stefan Diggs. The list goes on and on. I'm going under on a first touchdown score under Jersey number 11 and a half. And then three unanswered scores tried and true. Yes, minus one 55. That is the correct side with the minus money. I know a lot of people think it should be the know that always tricks people, but that's the tried and true. And then now put on your magnifying glass for Kelly's bets. What do you got here? Yeah, man. It looks like a lot more on a graphic, you know, like a sea hawks. The only one I guess we share to the letter is the Jersey number first touchdown, which the crew crowd was boring for me. Go and I never played first touchdown anything. I guess we're still boring because it's minus 140. So yeah, just old guys making boring bets. All right, Seattle that I played five and a half sold that I got it at one minus 102 sea hawks nine and a half at plus 190. And guess what, Seattle and the sea hawks are the same team.

40:36You didn't want to confuse anybody out there. Seahawks first quarter laying a half at plus 110 same Darnell Super Bowl MVP plus 125. Yeah, and just reminder, you brought it up. I was really shopping around for that yesterday. Was here still at circuit that number. You're in Vegas right now or you know, in Nevada, it is mainly plus 115s out there. Darnell coming down Kenneth Walker and AJ Barnard. I bet both those guys record the first reception for the Seattle sea hawks. This goes back to us talking to Warren Sharp the other day and him kind of talking about how if you look how JSN how he's worked on first drives for Seattle. Not as many catches are targets than what he typically gets the rest of the game. So kind of following Warren here. It's kind of something I picked up on earlier in the year as well. So I'm going to fall fall Warren play a little bit of Walker and burner to get the first catch for Seattle Drake may over 33 and a half rushing yards played this right away. Thought it would be one of the popular bets we saw the last two weeks sure was up to what we hear recently 36 and a half to come down a little bit.

41:36Now Drake may more pass attempts in Sam Darnell. This is very much the script that I'm seeing right I think that Seattle wins if they win big. It's going to be catch up time for New England at the end. A lot of passing or Drake may total sacks over five and a half on that one tell Matt Brown here. I think we see both of these past rushes gets a quarterbacks throughout the game. And total players with a reception under 13 and a half another one that Matt Brown played that I like the Seattle very, very concentrated group of receivers there that doesn't really spread out too wide to a large number. Yeah, and then I didn't mention it Miami Heat starting or Miami Heat starting here soon. Heat's Heat and Seahawks money line parlay to finish it. All right. Wil Hill earlier on the show Sam Darnell Subaru MVP is on there as I am. He got it at plus 130 Kenneth Walker the third under 73 and a half rushing yards. Trevion Henderson over three and a half receiving yards. That was also what we'll get to cracks big one coming up. Patriots team total under 20 and a half for Will as well. Then Steve Fezick came on the show and Steve had what he thought was the prop of the year, which we'll get to here.

42:41But others that he had total rushing yards and the Subaru under 225 Patriots second F team total over nine and a half minus 135 longest touchdown Seahawks minus 140 Patriots total puns over three and a half minus 150 his prop of the year. That Steve's words number of kickoff returns over six and a half minus 125. That one should have a gold star by also Patriots second half points. Over nine and a half and longest field goal versus total point scored taking longest field goal at minus 150. Then the crack man Mac Collins under two and a half receptions minus 150 Kenneth Walker the third under two and a half receptions minus 110 his favorite prop of the ball. Trevion Henderson over a half a reception laying the wood on that one minus 180. There you go for that one. Look, that is the one that I've heard both on our show and elsewhere. Kill here the Henderson over receiving props of past few days probably the most and people have pointed to some reports coming out of practice and stuff like that.

43:42So it checks out makes a lot of sense and it was receiving yardage. What we had mad on that was Friday. He had two and a half. I think it's out to like six and a half. If they said Captain Jack for having me on the super stream again yesterday last night, it does this great thing for all lots of lots of great people highlighted by Roxy Roxburg at the end and also a goalie can go like on Friday. And goalie can go like you know what they wanted to know the most about Gatorade in the end. They're like, is there is there anything on this and I'm like, no, it's getting steamed right now. Is it on we are we are. Let me guess yellow. Yeah, that's the Intel. The Intel's both teams like yellow. We started the show was plus 150. It's not a plus one 15 now and a fandal plus 145. We started. Let me just say this yellow classic Gatorade. I don't know the second best flavor. Okay. Like is that enough? Does that scream inside info move though? Knowing something I would expect this to be like minus 200. Dude, who knows is the correct answer to that question. I know. I know who know.

44:44I can't decide if I got to make my blue bed. It's tradition tradition. Kelly just Kelly has a traditional bet. Yeah, that's something we often do. And you know what, kill this is this backed up by research. Okay. You know what the most that you know what the top five most sold Gatorade flavors are. Cool blue is number one fruit punch lemon lime glacier freeze and orange. Okay. That is two blues in the top five. No glacier cherry on the no glacier cherry. The greatest flavor of them all to good one. Enjoy the sewer. Well, good luck with all your bets. Tim Murray, John Hansen, Crop Point, special edition next right here at V's and V's sports betting network.