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Hi friends, welcome to in the market with Janet partial.

A very happy Tuesday to you.

Thank you so much for joining us.

It's a good day in Washington DC because the United States Supreme Court

handed down a decision this morning and eight to one decision.

Now there's only nine justices that sit on the court eight to one.

And it was justice gorsuch who wrote for the majority.

And he said it's pretty much a common sense decision,

even justice so to my ear wrote a concurring opinion.

It was only justice Jackson who wrote a descent and her descent was

longer than the original opinion.

I'm getting ahead of myself.

What is this all about?

Well, it has everything in the world to do with the state of Colorado that just

has a real problem with a Christian worldview.

They keep losing.

They keep pushing people all the way to the Supreme Court,

whether it's creative three or three or it's master based bake shop or now,

whether it's a Christian counselor by the name of Kaylee Childs,

who says my kids come into my my office and we're going to talk about

feeling like they're trapped in the wrong body or same-sex attraction.

And they want to work through those feelings.

We're going to talk.

And if I hear from them that they don't feel comfortable and they're looking for a way out,

we're going to talk about that too.

That's what the other side says is, quote, conversion therapy.

Now, no counselor worth their salt uses that term.

It is a political cudgel.

It is a weapon of choice to silence people into thinking that somehow if you

tell someone that they don't have to be trapped in that same-sex attraction cycle,

that you're committing some sort of heinous crime.

You're violating who they are.

I was born this way says the woman who wore a suit made out of meat, but I digress.

The reality is nobody is born that way.

There are struggles.

All of us with sim east of Eden, every single one of us for you.

It might be pornography for you.

It might be gossiping for you.

It might be same-sex attraction.

All of us have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

And I find it particularly unconscionable for governments to come alongside and say,

you can't tell that person that they can change.

You make a liar out of God.

And the message that Paul gives us in scripture that says in such words,

some of you isn't worth the paper.

It's written out apparently if you happen to live in the state of Colorado.

Well, again, the state of Colorado got their come-up in today.

Now, I grant you this is a secular source where I'm going to play this news from.

And if there's stuff in there that needs me to address a little bit, I shall.

Here's the CBS News report on the Supreme Court decision.

We do have a ruling on a major Supreme Court case.

I want to bring in CBS News chief legal correspondent Jam Crawford.

So break down what's the new opinion that we're getting for us?

This involved a case called Conversion Therapy.

It was a Colorado law that passed in 2019 that banned therapists from having certain conversations

with their patients, especially when they were kind of struggling with sexual orientation

or gender identity.

The therapist could only affirm what the process was all about.

A Colorado Springs therapist, Kaley Chiles,

assumed saying that that law violated the first amendment that it prevented her

from expressing her viewpoints.

And all she could do was affirm whatever the person may have thought or wondered their sexuality was.

So she sued.

She lost in the lower courts and today in an eight to one decision,

the Supreme Court reversed those courts and handed her a major victory under the first amendment.

The court said that this law has applied to her discriminated based on her viewpoints

and that it prevented her from actually having these conversations with her patients,

a talk therapy only, and that violated the first amendment.

And there's a really powerful quote I want to read to you from Justice Gorsuch,

who wrote this opinion for the eight justice majority.

It said a case is like this, sensor speaks based on viewpoint.

But the first amendment stands as a shield against any effort to enforce orthodoxy

and thought or speech in this country.

The argument being that this kind of law prevented people from having conversations

with their clients about any kind of sexual orientation or gender identity issues.

Justice Katani Brown-Jackson is the lone to center,

which I think it's not surprising.

She kind of tipped her hand at those oral arguments back in October that she thought

that states could regulate this kind of speech as medical treatment,

as conduct that it didn't amount to any kind of free speech issue.

So right now, what this means is a big victory for this Colorado Springs therapist

and how the state was kind of seeking to apply the law that affected her counseling practice.

Now, I have to say that's pretty fair reporting.

It was a case about free speech.

Kylie Childs didn't give out hormones.

She didn't perform any surgery.

She wasn't providing chest binders or any of that stuff that goes along with this.

She simply talked and to have the state of Colorado come across as a totalitarian regime

and says you may only affirm, wait a minute, you know,

it's synchronized by the way in a client's office with your counselor.

It's very private.

It's protected information.

And now the state is stuck.

It's nosing and so basically we're going to dictate what you can and cannot say.

So Justice Gorsuch was spot on and CBS did a good job of pointing this out

that it was really a very straightforward, primafacial question.

Can you control the speech of a therapist, not behavior?

And that's where Justice Jackson got it wrong.

There's a distinction between speech and behavior.

Can you control speech in Justice Gorsuch along with two of the three liberal

justices up there said, no, you cannot.

And I loved the fact that Gorsuch talked about the first amendment being a shield.

Dear friends in the United Kingdom, this is why we had a revolution.

And we're about to come up our 250th birthday.

You go ahead and arrest people at four o'clock in the morning

because of something they posted on Facebook.

We'll take cases all the way to the United States Supreme Court

where reasonable justice is the overwhelming majority.

Let the record reflect.

We'll say, no, you cannot regulate somebody's speech,

particularly within the parameters of their practice.

So it was a huge victory.

And by the way, there are 20 states out there

that have these same kind of prohibitions in place.

So this is going to be interesting to watch what happens

in the days ahead.

Well, every one of these be brought up on a case by case basis or not.

So if you're counting, by the way,

the Colorado's over three.

They send Jack Phillips up there from masterpiece cake.

They lose eventually three or three creative,

a website Christian designer sends it all the way to the Supreme Court.

They lose.

They kick up now Kylie Childs.

They lose again.

At what point does Colorado and I love Colorado?

Beautiful hike those hills up there.

Gorgeous topography.

Wonderful listeners up there.

A lot of excellent Christian ministries are located out there,

particularly in Colorado Springs.

But there must be something in the water

because they are just a rabbit on this particular topic

and their track record is not too good.

So score one for free speech.

That was a stunning victory.

If you want to hear more in depth on this,

I just spent a lot of the last hour talking with my daughter about this.

She's the vice president of fending education and she's an attorney.

She was dealing in the Department of Civil Rights

and the Department of Education for many years as well.

And we broke down this case in further details.

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It was the first of the two hours we do every day.

We talked about other issues in the classroom and challenges

that are coming legally as well.

But we also broke down this case called

Childs V Salazar.

And again, eight to one.

That's pretty close to a slam dunk.

Wow.

We're going to take a break and come back.

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Well, and full disclosure, I have to tell you that Dr. George

Barnett is one of my favorite people on planet earth.

I love the way he's challenging the church capital

sea universal to think.

And he does the digging and his name is synonymous

with research and data and surveying.

And I'm so thankful that he's using the tools

that God has given him to really issue a wake up call

to a sleepy church that if we don't do what needs to be done now,

then how does the gauntlets get past?

How do we pass down the baton of faith to the next generation?

If we are not building into these young men and women

and to our boys and girls, a clear articulated

biblical worldview that gives them the knowledge

to apply the truth of Scripture to the world around them.

So I love the fact that he's not just the director of research

and the co-founder of the Cultural Research Center

at Arizona Christian University.

But he's also an ACU professor there.

Wouldn't you love to take one of his classes?

And I'm pretty sure he doesn't grade on a curve.

He focuses on worldview assessment and development

and cultural transformation.

And he's been putting out part of this American

worldview inventory reports on a regular basis.

And I cannot wait to open my email

when I see the latest iteration that's come.

And I have to tell you generally,

I mean, there's always positivity.

That's something that George, I think,

is very, very renowned for.

He knows it isn't just a matter of giving you dark news

and saying I'll sit in the corner and weep.

He gives you the news and says, now you've been called to action.

And that's what happens with every one of these reports.

But this one in particular, George, is bothersome to me

because this is about a biblical worldview

and whether or not it comes into alignment

with what we think about the world around us.

So I want to get into the methodology.

The methodology for it's not the mythology.

I wish it were.

The methodology.

And if I doubt, when we talk about a biblical worldview,

it doesn't make a whole lot of sense

to talk to someone who's not a Christian or a nominal Christian.

The presupposition in the question would be,

if you have a biblical worldview,

you're reading the Bible and you are a professing Christian.

But I don't want to get ahead of you.

So how did you construct this in such a way

that you were going from a pool

to which this question would be salient?

Well, let me actually step back a moment from that, Janet,

because you raised a great question.

And that's, are we only talking to people

who would claim that they're Christians?

And the answer to that is no.

And the reason is because when you talk with millions

and millions of Americans who say, I'm not Christian,

you know, I'm Buddhist, I'm Jewish, I'm atheist,

I'm whatever they may claim to be,

typically they will say that they represent truth.

Well, a biblical worldview is all about truth.

And so when we do the interviews,

we're talking to a random sampling of all adults in America.

Now, in the questions that we ask,

we probe down to understand, well, how might you be categorized?

Do you think of yourself as a Christian?

And of course, you find about 66% of American adults do.

So then with that 66%, we want to know more.

Well, great, what does that mean?

You know, let's talk a little bit about your salvation.

Do you believe that you're going to be saved?

Yes, okay, what's that based upon?

And ultimately, we get down to about 32, 33% of the total adult population

who would say they believe that they're Christians

and that when they're going to die,

they're going to go to heaven,

but only because they've confessed their sins

and accepted Christ as their Savior.

See, right there, what we've done is we've sliced

the self-identified Christian body in half

because you've got half who are relying on Christ,

half who are relying on themselves or the culture

or something else to be their source of salvation.

Then we'll take the 32 or 33%

who are what we call theologically identified

born in Christians and we'll dig deeper.

And we'll get all the way down to, okay,

can you be characterized as a disciple of Jesus Christ

using the six factors that He gives us in Scripture?

You know, if you do these three things,

you will be my disciples.

If you don't do these three other things,

you cannot be my disciples.

Operationalizing those in the survey,

getting down to only 4%, 3 to 4% of adults in America qualifying

as disciples of Jesus based on what He describes

as His true followers.

So then we go and we start looking at,

okay, what do you believe?

And we can slice and dice the data to say,

okay, self-identified Christians believe this,

non-Christians believe this,

atheists believe this, disciples believe this,

sage cons, another category believe it,

you know, people who attend evangelical churches.

So in this report, we've got all that information

looking at all these different categories of people

so that nobody can come back at us and say,

well, you know, there are other people who have truth too.

Okay, well, let's take a look at their truth

and see how it matches up against God.

Well said.

All right, so on that same vein,

it would seem to me and I know that in some respects,

this is a rhetorical question,

but if you are of Christian,

one presumes that you cannot go through life

without being immersed in the word.

It's how God's character is revealed.

It's how you know how He wants us to live

to use Bunyan's wonderful reference

and pilgrimage progress.

It is the map that gets us through from that day of salvation

when we throw off our backpack of sin

before we cross over into the celestial city.

I don't know how one lives without the scriptures

and the companionship of the Holy Spirit.

So I find it interesting that there is, forgive me,

but there's this idea that one has the liberty

to pick and choose biblical truths that do

or do not apply to the world around you.

There's a kind of hubris there that is stunning to me.

And yet when you looked at some key categories of life

and whether or not they practice

and I'll use this word applied Christianity,

they may have said, yes, I absolutely believe it on Sunday,

but Monday rolls around and there's a disconnect

between applying the principles and precept of God's word

to how they see the world around them.

So give some of our listeners evidence to that effect.

Yeah, I mean, when we start to look at people's worldview,

first of all, understand that the way we measure it,

we're not asking people to be perfect.

All we're doing is we're saying, okay,

we're gonna look at two different elements

and you've alluded brilliantly to the two,

which is, you know, believes they matter,

but why do beliefs matter?

Well, because you do what you believe,

you act according to what you think is true

or relevant to our appropriate or helpful to your own life.

And so that second category has to be behavior.

So we look at both beliefs and behavior.

And what we find is that there is that disconnect

where you've got a lot of people who, for instance,

are going to church, but they don't believe the Bible

is the true word of God.

They don't believe that they need to personally worship God.

When they pray, their prayers are not listening

to God, they're telling God what he needs to do.

So there's a problem.

Well, George, I never allocate enough time.

There's just too much listeners here for us to take apart.

By the way, I do have a link so that you all can do

your homework and you can read the research.

It's right there on my website.

I'm so glad Dr. Brian is with us for another segment.

So we can take a look at this, because I don't know about you.

This is very disconcerting to me.

This profound disconnect means what for the present

and for the future?

We'll talk more after this.

All is always, always a delight to talk with Dr. George Barnett.

And if I can, I was thinking about this during the break.

The reason why I asked Dr. Barnett to explain methodology

is because here in Washington, D.C.,

we've got what we call white paper reports.

They tend to be sort of the backdrop for printing or proposed legislation.

And their methodology has to be above reproach.

It has to pass scrutiny.

It has to have enough peer reviewed and enough objective standards

that it will pass the scrutiny that it's going to eventually

pass when it's submitted into evidence,

when there's a committee hearing about legislation.

So Dr. Barnett's approach is above reproach on the methodology.

That's important.

So that's the methodology question.

The content now is the part that as followers of Jesus Christ

serves as a wake-up call to us.

Again, George is the director of research

and the co-founder of the Cultural Research Center.

It is Arizona Christian University.

He's also a professor there as well.

And the latest installment of the American World View Inventory is out.

And it shows that even committed Christians

struggle with application as overwhelming majority

of US adults lack biblical basics.

Now, that's a problem.

George, if I can, just in deference to time,

some of the summations in the press release

that you sent out that dealt with this,

you talked about the fact that a biblical world view alignment

is low across every category measured.

That family and the value of life

are the weakest world view category across every group measured.

That even the most biblical aligned believers

show surprising vulnerability to cultural influence.

And then the one that really bothers me the most perhaps

is the collapse of the biblical world view

among younger generation is severe and nearly total.

Talk to me about that one.

Well, you remember when we started off our conversation,

we started alluding to truth.

And as I try to trace back, all right, where did they miss the boat?

Where did people under the age of 40, in particular,

get off the boat, go into our biblical truth

and decide that personal truth was really the root to follow.

And you know, I mean, that's really the thing.

It all comes back to truth.

Where are you going to go?

Now, a biblical Christian will say, you know,

I have feelings, I have preferences, I have desires.

That's nice.

But what does God say?

Because from our perspective, God is truth.

It's not just that he knows truth or he's willing to talk

with us about our perceptions of truth.

He is truth.

He can do nothing other than what is true and right

and proper and appropriate.

And so if I, as a believer, want to know truth,

I need to go back to the source, which is God.

And you know, some people say, well, yeah,

but you know, the charismatic gifts are an operative today.

OK, even if you're in that camp, it doesn't matter.

Because God distilled his truth into a relatively short book

that he's given to us to guide us through life.

And that's what we call the Bible.

And so if you want to know truth, all you have to do

is open up the guidebook and figure out, OK,

where does it talk about this issue

that I'm wondering about or struggling with or debating on?

And so when we look at young people, number one,

by and large, they don't own Bibles.

Number two, they don't read the Bible.

Number three, they don't trust the Bible.

Number four, they don't believe that the Bible is relevant

to the modern or in our case, postmodern life.

And so they don't believe in God.

They don't believe in the scriptures.

And consequently, they believe that they have to go

somewhere else for truth.

And where they've decided to go is inward.

And what does that mean for them, for the most part,

it means their feelings.

And so that's, I think, the major point of divergence

between our young people and our older generations.

The older generations are not close to hitting our home run.

I mean, on a good day, we're hitting a single.

But younger generations are just striking out on this

because they don't buy the baseline assumption

that God is real, God is truth, God is just, God loves us.

And because of those characteristics,

He chose to give us help.

He not only gave us Jesus Christ to die for our sins

so that we can be reconciled with Him,

but He also gave us the guidebook that will help us

to know how to live if I'm really grateful

for what Jesus did for me on the cross.

I need to show that.

I can't just say, yeah, it's a cool thing He did.

No, it's a whole lot more than that.

And so, you know, I need to have that guidebook

and He's giving it to us.

George, how do we get to the baseline?

How do we make the baseline attractive?

When you were talking, I thought of some video.

I just saw today of a monster church

that played stairway to heaven,

complete with lights and fireworks

as part of their Palm Sunday.

And I thought to myself, where is Jesus in the midst of all of this?

And you talk now about the Gen Z, the younger generations

that have lost totally this biblical worldview.

Do they need rock and roll and more lights

to be able to see, oh, yes, now I will accept

the baseline assumptions of what Scripture is.

In other words, it's pragmatic, but it's also attractive.

How do we get to them to help them understand

the attractiveness of this transcendent truth?

It, you know, when you go back and you look at how

discipleship works becoming a follower of Christ,

it doesn't happen and forgive me any pastors who are listening.

I don't mean to undermine what you're doing,

but it doesn't typically happen through church services.

Even if somebody's attracted to Christ through that

and that's a great thing, it doesn't go anywhere,

just like in evangelistic events, it tends not to go anywhere.

Unless there's a personal follow-up

with somebody who's trusted and invested

and serves as a role model.

Because how do we learn these things?

Well, we listen to them, but they're almost foreign to us.

And so the next thing we do,

and we learn this from studying children,

and how they can become disciples,

how they can develop a biblical worldview.

It's through models, role models.

And so they've got to have somebody not only

that they spend time with, but somebody who shows them,

this is what the Christ life looks like.

Amen.

You know, on the tombstone that's in the Westminster Abbey

for William Wilberforce, it says something

I will never forget, and it's so powerful.

He lived his life with the eloquence of the gospel.

We have to live our lives with that same eloquence

to be attractive enough in our relationship with Christ

that it becomes a calling card for others

who cannot see the relevancy or the purpose

of applied Christianity.

And by the way, George just gave every single one

of us a challenge.

Who have you taken under your wing to disciple?

Without it, we have a lost generation.

George, thank you.

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Now, Kabul, you've just murdered over 10 people.

Innocent Christians.

On Palm Sunday.

To know, but where are you?

As your people are slaughtered in the night.

As you sit in a cell rocking, you do absolutely nothing.

You allow your people to be killed again and again and again

and again.

When will it stop?

When will you hear the cries of Nigerians, of Christians?

You can no longer deny genocide.

They're being slaughtered.

And you say there's no issue.

You will regret what you are doing.

So you started this segment listening

to Nigerian Christians, praise the Lord.

And then you heard from a young man

an utter and abject exasperation about what is happening

to the people in Nigeria.

You know, we wondered if this would happen.

It's been a pattern with all of the terrorist attacks

going against Christians in Nigeria.

But on Palm Sunday, nearly 30 people were killed in Nigeria.

The incident occurred during the evening.

When armed men reportedly entered the community,

open fire on the residents,

eyewitness described the attack as coordinated

with multiple casualties recorded in several homes

affected, following the incidents,

the Plateau State government imposed a 48-hour curview

in parts of northern Joss to contain the situation,

despite the restriction residents,

including young people, were seen on the streets protesting

the killings and blocking roads in some areas.

Separate reports from the Rukaba Junction,

Eto Bobby, and nearby student residential communities

indicate that at least 10 people were killed

during gunfire early on Sunday.

One humanitarian worker shared a video

that was posted on social media.

The victims were Christians attacked on Palm Sunday.

And residents are giving different accounts of the attackers.

One of them described them as members of Boko Haram.

Others alleged that they were armed Fulani militia

who arrived on motorcycles, fired sporadically

and then retreated toward nearby mountainous areas

as of the time of the original reporting

of the story security agencies had not issued

a government statement exactly what that young man

was talking about confirming the identity of the attackers

and local sources have advised students living

near the affected areas to remain indoors as tensions persist.

We're gonna take this next part of the program

and really focus on the horrific situation in Nigeria.

It is genocide.

It is such a huge problem that finally,

our administration here in the United States

has put Nigeria on the list of countries

of particular concern.

In fact, it even goes beyond that.

Interestingly, the Nigerian archbishop

is calling on President Trump to give Nigeria

the intelligence reports, weapons and collaboration

needed to crush the violence

and stop the brutal persecution of Christians.

Why?

Because for years radical militants have targeted

innocent Christian communities in Nigeria

with mass killings, church attacks, tears,

and the world is looking away.

Enough is enough.

And the president has already shown a light on this crisis

and taken action against ISIS

and extremists now at the time to stand up

for the Christians that are being slaughtered in Nigeria.

What does that entail?

Is it aid?

Is it having the tools they need to fight back?

We cannot ignore what is going on.

And that's why I want to focus on it this particular hour.

Joining me to talk about this is Clint Lyons.

He serves as an executive director at I Reach Global,

which is focused on empowering persecuted Christians

through physical care, spiritual growth,

and community impact.

The warmest of welcomes, I welcome you under

what are horrific circumstances.

We watched what happened last Sunday.

Now we have to pray against something like this

happening on Easter Sunday.

Terrorists are very tuned into timetables.

They know exactly what Palm Sunday

and Easter Sunday mean to Christians.

And that makes them very vulnerable at this time of year.

Before I get some of your input,

for a lot of people who are listening all across the country,

Clint, they've never heard of I Reach Global.

Tell me about your ministry first.

Yeah, thank you, Janet.

And thank you for having us on.

And thank you for shedding light on this really important topic.

It's a topic that so many people are ignoring.

And I'm grateful that you're highlighting it.

I reach global.

We work with, on the ground, local networks of Christians,

helping those who are in the midst of persecution.

We do that through physical care.

We send food packs.

We send bibles.

We send hygiene products to these affected villages

and areas where people have lost everything.

And that's a big part of what we're doing in Nigeria right now

as these killings and what you're appropriately

called a genocide continues.

Wow, unbelievable.

Here's the President's frustrating, first of all.

And that is the government seems to be silent.

Is that young man posted on social media platforms

said, you're silent, you're not doing anything.

There was supposed to be some kind of support

from the government.

We understand that there's an ideological shift

in the country where you've got an Islamic dominated worldview.

And then you've got many, many, many Christians

who are very faithful in their faith.

And yet the government is complicit by non-action.

Why do you think that is?

Well, I think a lot of times they're trying to say, say,

they're trying to make the things look better than they are.

I mean, how else could you explain the fact

that they spent millions of dollars

hiring a DC based PR firm to clean up their image?

They know that they are in trouble.

They know that things are not good there.

And they're doing their best to put on a good face

to avoid having to be held account

for their lack of action on this issue.

Yeah, exactly.

Clint, I'm glad you brought that up

because I think so often for Christians,

we think it's a linear pathway.

You move from A to B.

I think it would help us in understanding

how we can help our brothers and sisters

because let's just go to the basics here, friends.

When one part of the body hurts, we all heard.

They came to faith in Christ the same way you and I

came to faith in Christ.

They're paying a horrific price for making that decision.

One, you and I probably never know exists.

If you think of your role as the center of a wheel

and you've got multiple spokes coming out of it,

you understand there are a wide variety of ways

for you to not only pray, but to act as well.

So let me just wait into the geopolitics of this a little bit.

It is significant here in DC when a country finally gets on

the list of nations of particular concern.

It has a marvelous way of triggering certain actions

by the government.

It can call into account questions of aid, et cetera,

like you pointed out for the government

to come to K Street with all the lobbyists

and to get some influence so they can clean up their act

is all well and good.

But you've got blood all over the headlines on a regular basis

and you've turned a blind eye and a deaf ear.

In my town, money doesn't talk at screams.

So maybe one of the actions is we say, listen,

if you want continued USAID and we do provide it,

you're not going to get it unless you overtly do something

to mitigate the death that's going on in your country.

I think that is a great, great point

and it's a great starting point.

I think in addition to those types of embargoes

and sanctions, I think we also need to have targeted sanctions

against the government officials who we know are not

complicit in this whole issue through their silence.

There are without a doubt officials

and people across the nation who are not just

in the sense of being silent, which is happening.

But it's absolutely complicit in this

by telling military to stand down

when they should be going in and pushing back the terrorists.

And so we have got to hold them to account.

And that's the only way that we're going to get the kind

of transparency that we need to reach some kind of solution.

Exactly.

And I'm so glad for what you're saying, Clint,

because it reminds Christians again that it's not an either

or it's a both end.

You use the voice that God has given you, first of all,

to bang on the doors of heaven and to boldly

into the throne of grace and be praying for protection

for our brothers and sisters and for wisdom

for the leaders.

You don't have to say, I'll either come to the government

or I'll pray, you can do it all and you should do it all.

And I think you need to recognize players on Capitol Hill

like Ted Cruz on the Senate side and Chris Smith

on the House side, both are very active on the committees

that deal with human rights.

These are human rights violations world in language,

but you get what they're doing.

And you don't have to be one of their constituents.

If you're concerned about human rights violations,

and this is a classic case of human rights violation,

then you need to encourage them to say introduce legislation

proposed, cutting off funds, targeted sanctions,

which I love what you just said, Clint,

against some of the leaders who are being outright complicit.

Non-action is action in this case.

And so there needs to be an accountability for some of this.

I looked at some of the pictures

that social media puts us right there

in the middle of these stories.

I saw people who were hatcheted to death.

I mean, barbaric, the faces that were split open.

And I mean, and again, this is an Old Testament story.

These Christians are not hated for something they've done.

They're hated for who they are.

Period.

It is the goal for them to the Islamic faction

and all of this, once what Islam always does.

It's advanced by the sword, quite literally, literally.

And it will be the Islamification of Nigeria.

Talk to me about Nigeria and the surrounding countries.

You know, so often there's extra state influence

that happens, that brings in impacts into your state.

So when you look at Nigeria, what country surrounds Nigeria?

And are they helping or hurting this situation?

Yeah, and that's a great point.

Is that Nigeria doesn't exist kind of in a vacuum.

It's part and parcel of the region around it.

That particular area, Nigeria, Niger and Chad

and all those nations are part of what we call

the Sahil region of Africa.

And the Sahil region is kind of like a if you draw a line

just below the Sahara desert.

And frankly, that is where the vast majority of killings

when it comes to Christian killings in the world

are happening, is in that region right there.

And it's important to know that these groups,

whether it's ISIS, West Africa, whether it's Boko Haram,

whether it's the Salani, ethnic militia,

they have kind of a multinational influence.

They are not constrained by borders.

They are active throughout the region.

So we absolutely have to take that into account.

I'm so glad you brought that up.

And again, evil doesn't know any geographical boundaries there.

This is an ideology and the tendril outreaches

of this are surrounding Nigeria as well.

But when we get back, I want to know specifically

what I reach global is doing and how we can support

what you're doing at part of the world.

This is a crisis situation.

And again, I always tell you, when you come to this program,

bring your prayer list because I'm pretty sure

I'm going to try to lengthen it for you.

The assault just took place on Palm Sunday.

For years, there's been an attack, multiple attacks

on Easter Sunday.

We need to be praying against that right now.

You

love the world.

And you want to see better world.

Your interest is not just free Palestine.

I mean, there are more people dying in Nigeria

than a dying in Palestine.

over 500,000 Christians were killed in Nigeria just in one year, and nobody's protesting.

The activists are not saying anything for me, that's hypocrisy.

In the north of Nigeria, Christians are being killed daily because the Islamic militants

don't want Christians to exist in the north of Nigeria.

They want to see a world where there are no Christian at all.

And they want to conquer, not just Nigeria, they want to conquer Africa,

they want to conquer Europe, and they want to conquer America.

The younger generation who want to live in a better world must think out today.

Oh, I'm so thankful you are hearing this.

So we live in a country where we celebrate free speech.

And so they'll march in the streets of our cities to say no kings.

Last time I checked we don't have one, by the way, that's why we had a revolution.

I give you 1776.

We do have a king that's coming to visit us, by the way.

In April, it's going to be the first time since his mother visited in 1991,

and Prince Charles will make an address King Charles.

Pardon me, we'll be making a dress to Congress, which is going to be very interesting.

But this Nigerian, in his impassioned police, is something very important.

They're marching on the campus of Columbia to free, free Palestine.

I'm sorry, where are the marches for the 500,000 Nigerians have been butchered just because

they're Christians?

Or is it because they're Christians that nobody's marching?

And again, let me underscore the fact that they're being slaughtered

simply because of what they believe, not because of anything they have done.

And there are many peaceful practitioners of Islam, but you delude yourself if you don't

understand that Islam is advanced by the sword.

The total annihilation of any Christian influence is their goal.

The dominant religion of the globe they demand will be Islam.

But the gospel has a wonderful way of penetrating the darkness.

Does it not?

And I'm so thankful for ministries like I reach global.

Where they really and truly are helping the persecuted church with physical care needs on

their tons of those spiritual growth and community impact.

And Plutlian says the privilege of serving as the executive director at I reach global.

So that takes me full circle.

You've challenged us to use our voice.

We've given a couple of names on Capitol Hill where you could use your voice.

The president of the United States is beginning to move.

He's listening to Christians on this.

Getting Nigeria on that nation list of concerns was unbelievably significant,

although most of the alphabet soup media wouldn't have stated is that such.

But tell me in terms of policy, that was big.

But on a spiritual plane because at its core, this is a spiritual war.

So no Department of War, Department of State, the United Nations is going to eradicate this.

This is a spiritual war.

So enlist us in the Army, Clint.

What can we do to make a difference here?

These are our brothers and sisters.

We're going to be spending eternity with them.

They are paying a price and we are to be praying for those being led away in chains.

So what do we do?

Well, I think one of the most important things we can give is our voice.

Oh, we must speak out for the Christians who are being butchered.

You know, you said the Bible or so and the scripture says that if one of us suffer,

we all suffer.

And that's absolutely true.

We need to treat their suffering as our suffering and we need to stand in solidarity with them.

You know, one way that we're doing that and you can get involved with is going on to ivichgobl.org.

We are sending survival kits to these Christians.

This kit provides them with two weeks of food, hygiene items and a Bible to not only

feed them physically but also feed them spiritually and help them grow in their faith

and strengthen them to continue to resist persecution.

So there's multiple ways to take action.

And another way is making your voice heard to your congressperson and to the halls of government.

Because they're the ones who are making these policies that are right now

helping these Christians.

I can't tell you how encouraged the Christians I spoke with were that President Trump was taking action.

That somebody was taking action.

They felt seen.

They felt heard and they are overjoyed the fact that the United States is stepping up and taking

these actions.

Amen.

You know, on your website, the very first thing that comes up, by the way,

is a way for us to tangibly help Nigerian Christians.

And you quote a pastor, Daniel, who says, and I'm quoting him from your website,

we need food, toiletries, provisions and prayers.

Loving these heartless people is difficult by the day.

Please keep praying for us.

And if God opens doors, we need assistance.

Raises a couple of logistical questions because this is tantamount to a war zone.

Is I reach global able to get the aid to the Nigerian Christians as needed?

Or is that something we can be praying about?

Do we need to get you over walls to the power of prayer so that the aid can be delivered?

Well, it's both hand.

You know, there are some areas where it's easy to go into than others.

Fortunately, we have an expensive network of church partners on the ground.

And this is a grassroots group of men and women, volunteers who love Jesus and want to serve

these communities.

And we distribute every amount of aid, every bit of aid that comes through average global,

is distributed through these churches.

And, you know, there are, of course, a lot of areas where these churches have been burned

and villages have been taken out.

But we're able to get into, you know, as people are displaced to even get into the

IDP camps, internally displaced persons camps, and provide the aid.

And, you know, that's, of course, we need prayers for that as we continue to do that,

because a lot of times we have drivers who are driving our survival kits in.

We have security people who don't want to go into these areas that our people are going unarmed.

So, absolutely, we need your prayer for protection as we're going into these places.

Wow, unbelievable.

Okay, and I want to make it easy for our friends.

I reach global.org.

I reach, and then the letter I lowercase, I reach global.org.

It's on my information page.

If you're driving, don't have an accident.

It's all right there for you to do.

And then, prayerfully consider what you might do to get them physical aid.

You talked, Clint, I think very importantly about the churches.

I have seen so much video in the last five days of Nigerian Christians who are gathered together

in what is tantamount to rubble.

It's the remains of what was left of a church that was destroyed.

And yet, they are in their folding chairs and they're having prayer and worship,

just like you and I would be in church.

Never mind the fact that their church has been utterly annihilated by people who hate them

because they're following Jesus.

And every time I talk about the persecuted church, I stand in front of my own spiritual mirror

and say, what I have the courage, could I persevere, what I deny, what I retreat.

Heck, and save my life.

It's going to be a whole lot more comfortable.

And yet, these Nigerian Christians are not recanting.

They're being faithful to Jesus Christ no matter what it costs them.

Where does that come from?

I think it comes from a deep spiritual walk.

It comes from a close relationship with Jesus.

You know, we need to thank God for what we have in America.

We have the freedom right now to believe and to follow Jesus.

A lot of these people don't have that.

And they know the grace of God.

They know Jesus in a way that you and I never will because they are suffering for their faith.

And so we need to stand with them and that is the responsibility of every single person in America.

Amen.

Oh, Clint, thank you for the gift of your time and the overflow of your heart

and sharing what's going on in Nigeria.

I reachglobal.org.

You heard this?

Is God calling you to pray and to support and to use the voice that he's given you?

I can answer that question, but I can nudge you as a brother or a sister in the Lord and say,

pay attention.

These brothers and sisters are hurting.

Thank you, Clint, so much.

I reachglobal.org.

Thanks for joining us, friends.

We'll see you next time.