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Abdul and Katelyn contend with a devastating week at HHS, including:
- The loss of 20,000 workers
- A massive restructuring at HHS
- Senior leaders leaving the ranks
- The addition of a discredited vaccine skeptic to analyze future data on the MMR vaccine
Then Abdul interviews Nat Kendall-Taylor and Julie Sweetland from the Frameworks Institute about their research on American attitudes around vaccine hesitancy, and how to frame productive public health conversations.
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