9AM: What's In A Name?

0:00Three-time Wisconsin sports writer of the year, Jason Wilde. Aren't any Jason's 1200? That's a dead name. Packers, Hall of Famer, Mark Towsher. How many kids do you hear? Hey, Marky, it might be as almost to the point of Ruth. Broadcasting live from the Everlight Solar Studio. You love that name so much, you don't even go by it. On 100.5 ESPN. You call me Mark, I'm five, I like my name. I like my name a lot. The ESPN Wisconsin app will be in Tosh. And ESPN medicine on YouTube. It's Wilde and Touch, isn't it? This is Wilde and Tosh, presented by pillow windows and doors of Wisconsin.

1:29It is the Tuesday edition. The, man, I didn't realize travel was going to be so difficult in the United States because of a partial government shutdown and the weather. Edition. The, are we still talking about the Packers backup quarterback? Is that still a big topic? People moved on from naming Lambo Field in honor of some sort of corporation with the naming rights edition. And the, where in the world is Mark Towsher today edition? I will be at Tosh. A 94.5 ESPN walk you 100.5 ESPN medicine. 1430 ESPN Beaver Dam. ESPN Wisconsin.com. The ESPN app. You're a Lexus smart speaker streaming live video twitter facebook youtube.

2:33And of course everything you need. On the ESPN Wisconsin app, but you can find both in the Apple and Android App Store. I'm Chase Wilde in Green Bay. Jesse Nelson. Much like Hunter Vaughn before him yesterday. Risking life and limb. Maybe not quite as risky today. To get to the ESPN Madison Everlight Solar Studios. And from an undisclosed location, which he will disclose at some point. It is the Packers Hall of Famer. It is Mark Towsher. Tosh, good morning. How are you? Oh, I'm doing all right. Jason, a little trip down to Milwaukee today. I'm going to the Betty Bryn Museum. I'm a little bit a lot of traffic. Roads plough beautifully, but a lot of traffic. And so I really am in an undisclosed location.

3:37I feel like Woodward and Bernstein down in a parking ramp trying to get some info from Mark Felt. If that makes any sense, that's what I feel like right now. It does, it does make sense. All the presidents men. So what are you doing at the Betty Bryn Children's Museum? Which is, by the way, a gem of one of the many great things about Milwaukee. And if you've never been there, you are missing out. So make sure you give that consideration for your next trip to Milwaukee. Or if you're in Milwaukee with kids, either way. But what are you doing there? So I am with our friends at Sendix. We're doing a, we're going to go painting in. I'm going to do some painting post-show. I don't know. Painting me up a little bit. Yeah, I'm going to be painting something. So I, I'm going to be honest. I don't know a ton more details. But I have never been to the Betty Bryn Museum. So I'm curious, I'm sure during breaks, I'll go scout around a little bit and understand

4:41a little bit more about what this is all about. But our friends at Sendix celebrating their big anniversary. Doing a lot of different things around the city of Milwaukee. And the, you know, in the, all the surrounding areas. And this is another one of their projects. And they've invited me to come down and help out. Well, Sendix is a great partner. They also have the freshest pre-cut fruits. From all my time being in Milwaukee for the Milwaukee ballet and whatever else. Always stop at. Sendix to get my fruit. Great, cheers. I'm fresh for that. Yeah, they got the great bakery, the great meat department. I hear a lot about the meats. Yeah, big about, big on the fruit though. Big love the fruit. So what is your painting? We know you have a varied resume from your fascinating life. From driving a three-on-a-tree stick shift to move a bathtub, to concrete, to a number of other manual labor jobs.

5:45Yeah, pouring in the house of a bully. Yeah, farming. I was building up to the dairy farming. What is your background in painting, both in terms of walls and in terms of masterpieces? Yeah, no, I've painted. I have not been nothing ever artistic. It's always been just commercial or, you know, I always like the roller. Like if I'm going to paint, the brush is fine. Mr. Miyagi style, that's not really where I want to be. Sure. I like rolling it out into the pan and then, like that smooth glide that you feel. I don't know if that is what I'll be asked to do today. I'm sure. Doubtful. I'm very doubtful that it's going to be anything intricate, because I'm a little bit of a bowl in a china shop and I think they know that. So, give me the roller. Let me just go plow ahead and I think everybody will be happy. Well, we're glad you're down there safe and sound and you will be moving from

6:46the parking garage to the museum itself at some juncture. Are you painting the walls? Are you painting the wall? There's no way he's painting walls. He can't use a roller. I'm like I don't do it. You know, you guys, first off, neither of you have ever done. I mean, you guys don't know manual labor. Like, I'm not going to try and be all like mean and rude, but you all are coming at me a little bit. Too late. No, it's not. I mean, you guys have probably, oh, it's cute. You go water, paint with your kid. You know, Jason, you go all that. I've painted. I've lived. I've drywalled. I've done this. So, to besmirch me, you can besmirch me all you want. I'm guessing I've probably done a heck of a lot more painting than you all have ever thought. I've tarred. Like, I've done all of it, man. So, you actually all of it. You actually are painting a wall. I thought you were doing like a portrait. I don't know, Jesse. I just told you I don't know. I'm not painting a, I don't know. Maybe I am painting a portrait. If it is, that ain't my specialty. I would much prefer painting a wall.

7:46I'm guessing because they're, you know, freshening things up. I'm guessing that's what I'm doing. But once I get in and, you know, probably by the 10 o'clock hour after I get settled, I'll be able to give you guys more of an update. But as we sit here right now, no, I don't think I'm like trying to be Rembrandt or I'm going to rip off an earlobe and be Van Gogh. I think I'm going to be Johnny Paint guy, grab some homelinsy paint, slap it up on that wall, make it beautiful. That's what I'm guessing. Well, the way I saw this really awesome. Further updates. Where you, you know, how you got to put that blue tape down to kind of control the lines and you can paint over and you keep it nice and crisp. There's a fun, yes, there's a fun little hack that you do. If you know that you use the package, the stuff that you tape up the boxes when you move, you put that painter's tape on there and you can roll it out like it's a bike tire and you don't have to bend down and it's just smoothly rolls out. It's a fun little hack because I was doing a little research on,

8:47you know, helping out paint wise. I saw that hack and it is a great hack. Thanks for the tip. Um, Jesse, we're, we're happy to have you back. It is a fun, I don't understand what it was. No, it's a very fun hack. I just, I didn't expect you to have paint like, you tell us every week about the pro painters at Holman Lindsay and how they're the experts and I didn't expect you to have in your toolbox. Hey, I don't have Johnny Holman or Freddie Lindsay with me today. So oh boy, it's going to be a, I don't think you bring your own tape. I thought about it. But actually, I got hockey tape in the car. I might bring that. Does that could replace the same way the painters did this? Does it go, what do you pull it out? It's a hack, a hockey hack and painter's hack. I'll find out. I don't know, but I just love how you guys ask me a question. I give you a detailed great hack answer and then it's like, I'm a big idiot. Like, what am I doing? No, no, no one said, no, no, no, no, no, no.

9:49Where's Hunter? Can we get Hunter back? Oh God, I never thought I'd say this. But can we get Hunter back? Hunter did a fantastic job. Yes, with the possible exception of Wo Hunter, step into the bridge. And in Hunter, it is a great job. Yeah, Hunter drove probably 10 miles more than Jesse would have had a driven. So that was, that was, I found that. I'm looking at the map. It doesn't make any sense. But yeah, that was a tough one yesterday. I'm glad Hunter. Do you feel like, I'm not going to go down that road. Continue on, ripping me about my painting, even though neither of you picked up a paint brush in six years. Well, from what I saw from the snowfalls on the news last night, there was not quite double, but there was significantly more snow measured on the east side of Madison where I live versus the west side of Madison where Hunter lives. He also, as was pointed out yesterday, had pretty easy access to a main road, as opposed to me, who by the way, I was in my car leaving the driveway at 6.30.

10:51I got up at 5am, plowed my side of the driveway with our little rinky, dink snow plow, which if I had any kind of behemoth snow blower in the garage like Jason does, I don't go down this road. Jason is very fragile. Unreal. I'm going down the snow blower road again. So, I mean, I... So, the 26 inches of snow. The things I would have given yesterday for that snow blower instead of our little rinky dink electric one that you need to do two laps of... Oh, good news, shoving around. Good news. I think that's going to be your Christmas present from Jason this year. So that's a good news. It doesn't sound to me like it would have mattered had you had that snow blower or not. No. Because the driveway was not the end of your journey. I made it very cleanly out of the driveway into the road, and then I got stuck. How far did you get down your own street? Not 10 feet. Like, I got, I pulled reverse into the road, put it in drive, went forward about three

11:53feet, and then we were stuck. And... Did you start backsliding? You've got that dead end down the street a little bit. Did you back into that? No, I was just kind of stuck, so I had to maneuver it just to even be able to back up to get back into the driveway, but it was there was no chance I was going anywhere forward. Jason, what are the chances Jesse never even got out of bed yesterday? I don't think he would lie to us. I am of the police. But it's not at zero. Can we agree? It's not at zero percent. Uh, I think he's probably exaggerating the time he got up and how committed he was coming in. Like, he was up getting out. I was up at five. I'm believe it's 30. I was up at five. Yeah. I was ready to go. It's 630 yesterday. All of this is true. That's all of this is true. All of this is true. I only checked the timeline of the text to see when you texted us. Go for it. I know. I'm going in. So go for it. For all the times that I have gotten in here during emergency type situations, and I don't

12:53know. For all the time. After all the tornadoes that I was part of coverage with, a daily dodge up in Beaver Dam back in the day. You know what? I deserved one yesterday. How long has it been since you worked at the daily dodge? It's 10 years, eight years, somewhere almost a decade. But you know what? For all the times where I've been part of the emergency staff on hand here making sure we're running smoothly yesterday. Car gets stuck. And I said, you know what? I deserve one in the kitchen today. And so I pulled back in after five minutes and I was able to get the car in. And I said, this is not going to end well. And I was hoping a plow had come through where I live. We're on, like Jason said, this dead end. And a lot of times the plows skip us and the house to our left, which is the last one on the, on the street. They just skip us and then come back around later. We're like the last bit of the snow that gets cleared. So what happened yesterday? The snow, the plow foot came through around 10 30. But it just built like this giant four foot wall a little bit beyond our driveway.

13:57And then they didn't come back to one o'clock and actually did the rest of it. So it's a good thing we weren't in an emergency type situation where we had to go anywhere yesterday. Like the pregnancy we're talking about because thanks for tuning in. Yeah. I dialed in all three hours yesterday. I got takes on sports months. I got takes on all kinds of things that I wish I could have been part of yesterday. But I missed you guys. I fully intended on being here and setting up camp all day. And instead, I worked from home for one of the first times ever. Hmm, starting the voyage, wish me luck, sent at 630. So I will take back my criticism. I still don't believe you get up at five, but I will at least admit that you texted us at 630. Might have been 505 saying you were leaving. All right. Well, you're not here now. You're here now. You were not here yesterday. Thank you again to for stepping into the breach so we could be on the air. Thank you, Hunter. Thank you to Josh Demagio for doing his part down in Milwaukee.

15:01We will get Towsh inside of the Betty Brin Children's Museum. And we'll get ready for our guy Evan Cohen of unsports from like that's all still ahead. It's will be a Towsh on a lovely Tuesday. And online at www.comslashradio. We'll get Towsh rolls on with Mark Towsher live from the Betty Brin Children's Museum

16:05as part of our partnership with Sendix where he is of the belief that he's repainting a wall. We are hoping that he is going to be freehanding some sort of a painting of a badger or maybe a balloon, flowers, still life. I'll have to wait and see what exactly his assignment is. I spent a lot of time yesterday, including on KBN where our friend Brad Norton is not only one of our favorite punters, but also worked in the realm of high finance for a while before he joined us in this endeavor. And he pointed out, when I thought it was very intelligently, that these private equity deals that owners are doing, like Stephen Ross down in Miami selling a 1% stake in his

17:10$12.5 billion valued organization and collecting 125 million bucks for it, he said that that's rich guys lining their pockets and that with the salary cap and revenue sharing, that it shouldn't have the kind of, and I don't think I'm misquoting him here, the kind of impact that we're fearing it will have with private equity being in the mix. Because that, Towsh, is what prompted the discussion in Ed policy, or as you like to call Mr. policies, interview with sports business journal, which led to a lot of frenzied discussion about the naming rights for Lambo field. When I tell you that that's what Brad, who knows a lot more about finance than me, theorized, does that make you feel better, worse, or have no impact whatsoever? Uh-oh, apparently no impact whatsoever.

18:14No, it appears we have lost Towsh momentarily, we'll see if we can get him back. We will, we will effort on that. Jesse, you were, you were following along with yesterday's program, obviously we spent some time playing a little game of who plays in this arena, which one I thought extremely well. I'm curious, did you think the discussion of naming Lambo field after Dunkin Donuts or Quick Trip or whatever it might be, did you find that concerning or are you worried about that or not really? I'm not worried about it whatsoever. Where I generally stand on this, and I was listening to you guys extensively yesterday. Thanks a lot. Working hard from home. I think naming rights are a good thing for all of our favorite sports teams. If it's an extra revenue source, if we want to name title town and sponsor it, like that's

19:17fine, it's still going to be title town to everybody. When you say where you're going, you're going to say title town, but it's great to have partners attached to things. It's great that American family insurance stepped up and wanted to have the naming rights to the Brewer Stadium a couple of years ago. It's great that there are a bunch of partners who are involved in around the Green Bay Packers who would want to add an extra source of revenue for the team to succeed. Ultimately, if we're sports fans who want to see our teams thrive, we want extra revenue to come in because it offers better opportunities for fans and ultimately the hope is less money out of our pockets so that we don't have to be the ones who are helping fund some of the things because it's coming in from great advertising partners of all the different teams and leagues. I think stadium names generally speaking, I agree with you, unless they're truly iconic. If we get Towshback, he'll tell you that Riggly is a gum company, but Riggly, Fenway, Lambo. I don't even know if there's any others that are even on that list where, and I was saying

20:22this to Jen Gabe and Chewy or Jen and Chewy today because Gabe's in Las Vegas, I would be curious if there would be actually backlash toward a company that puts its name on the stadium ahead of Lambo field and whether they would get the bang for the buck that they be investing because what are we going to call it anyway? Lambo field, right? Did you know that Arrowhead is, it's like Arrowhead at G-E-H-A, I don't know how to pronounce that. They changed that a couple years ago. No one says that. No one says Gaia. You see it on every broadcast that they have at a chiefs game and the chiefs have been the most popular NFL team for the last several years. They get a bunch of prime time games, they get a bunch of national exposure and that's great for that partner to be involved so that the chiefs can then do more things for generating revenue. So, in the economics of sports, I think it's perfectly fine.

21:24Like sure everybody calls it Arrowhead Stadium but just because you don't call it that in casual conversation doesn't mean that that company isn't getting their money's worth by sponsoring that stadium. Tell me what they manufacture or what they do. I believe it's a health company, I'm not positive. Okay. But again, I don't live in Kansas City. That's the paint wall. I don't know if it's a national brand, I assume it's more of a local brand in Kansas City and I'm sure they know just like I'm sure there are plenty of partners locally here. Let's say one that's involved with our show, Gruber Law Offices. I'm sure that people in Florida don't really know what Gruber Law Offices is. If they watch a Bucks game on national TV and they see that advertisement on the little billboard on the side of the floor, but everybody in Wisconsin knows what it is. That's great bang for David Gruber's buck. Geha, Geha, GEHA is a federal employee health benefits company. There you go. So you're neither a federal employee, well you're pretty healthy, I'll give you that.

22:31Towsh, you've joined us high. Yeah, we're so we're back talking Lambo, right? It would be great if you understood that we were just trying to fill time while we were trying to get connected. Well, I was listening to Jen Gabe and Chewy and I think the point on this whole thing is fans are going to do what they want. Fans care about winning and if I was going to say Mark Murphy, if Mr. Ed policy thinks that this is what is needed to be to do it, I guess I'm just, these are the, this is what it is. Do you think he thinks they have to do it though? Not right now. You believe that like, yes, that was my point about my conversation with Brad Norton is that his argument and he knows a lot more about money than I do is that this is just for billionaires to have some, put some cash in their pockets, you pocket 125 million dollars by selling 1% of your, of your team because it's valued at 12.5 billion must

23:39be nice. But I'm curious where that advantage comes from if the salary cap is still in place. The advantage comes from having extra capital to do all of the things that you want to do and to have more people bought in. Like, I guess when you're looking at it, is there a factor of too much and that was kind of what we were talking about? If you're going to need to keep some costs down and I think you're going to with food, you see it already with certain teams, they have concessions that are a lot less. And I think that trend needs to continue. You're going to need more capital in other places. It is not, I don't think this is just some, oh, you know, we need this to put more money in the owner's pockets. They also have a ton of carrying costs, there's businesses need to continue to grow. Any business, ask the newspaper business. They were flush with cash for years ago, 30 years ago, and you know what?

24:41Things change, markets change and you better have a war chest so that you can adapt and adjust to that change. And if you don't, you end up going away to white buffalo or you end up going away a hard copy newspaper. Like, that's just how it is. And if you're not foresightful enough to see that, you end up in the trash heap. So I get it, I understand why people look at it from the perspective that they do. But the reason is, the reason you do this is because you can, and because there's companies feel like a great value to associate with the green pay packers, with the Milwaukee bucks, with the Orlando magic, or they wouldn't do it. There's more to it than just, oh, I don't even know what the heck he is. There's hospitality with it. Just being able to use their brand out in the community of their logos and all their markings, there is a great value to that. And so why do we care? Like I, you know, I know I understand people are all here, we're irritated with Ampham

25:43field when they did it. We should have been thanking American family insurance. That helps give the brewers some added revenue to maybe be able to keep a few players, or to be able to pay a coach or to be able to do things. And yes, if you want to call it whatever you want, great, but the broadcasts us, I look at it from the complete opposite perspective of saying, we need businesses to support these teams. We need corporations to do that because A, it's good for them to have entertainment to keep their employees happy and to keep them fulfilled just like having the overture center. And all of these businesses support that and nobody's bickering about it. Yeah, I don't think anybody's business that's in. I don't think anybody's saying that they don't need companies to support it. Also Miller Park was a was Miller brewing like we're talking about a completely different stadium that I do believe that there I saw it with friends of mine in Denver when they

26:45renamed Mile High. There was all kinds of backlash with that and they've been through multiple names there. We just talked yesterday about the stadiums. I agree with you on Ampham field. It's great that Ampham stepped up when Miller was not going to keep the naming rights. Again, I don't know if it's the same for iconically named stadiums. And as Ed policy points out in that article, when soldier field becomes whatever they're going to become, when they move to Hammond, Indiana, Lambo field will stand alone as the only one without a sponsor. And when you're the only one and when you're viewed differently because you're the team that's owned by the community and everything else, I am curious to see if this was so easy and they weren't concerned about the negative reaction, then what the hell are they waiting for? Do it now then if you don't think my point is valid, why aren't they doing it right this

27:46is very second, maybe they get more money, maybe they are. And maybe that's the trial balloon that he put out there. Well, I look forward to coming. Let me ask you this. You're right in your article. You're talking on Wildean Tows. Are you going to say Lambo field at quick trip stadium or would you, no, you're not going to neither are you. When we say, when you say you're going to the game and you're going to be up in the luxury sweets with I say I'm going to amp amp field with what yes, because that's the name of the stadium. If they call it Lambo field at quick trip center and you say you're going to see city and TJ and the crew because you're all going to be in the alumni suite. Are you going to say I'm going up to Lambo field at quick trip center or are you going to say, hey, city and TJ and I were at Lambo on Sunday, what a great game. I'm sure initially it will be Lambo, but I'm guessing at some point, hey, if somebody

28:51is going to support our football team, I will always be Lambo. There's no doubt. But if they're going to support and do this to bring revenue in, they deserve that. They deserve that recognition. Otherwise, what are they doing? So I get it. Your whole gui hop point was cute. I think that's great. But at some point, Kansas City is moving to a whole different state. Their stadium is. And if I want to keep the green bad packers and listen, I poo poo dad policy when he said that. And there is, I don't think there's ever a time where he's going to, you know, we're up, uproot this team. I don't think that'll ever happen. But if this is some of the price that you have to pay to make sure that is the case, I'm all in on it. I don't want this team going anywhere. And if you have to put a sponsorship to it, I don't think that's going to be the savior of this. But if it helps, I'm in. Yeah. They're not going to get 125 million for the naming rights, like Stephen Ross just

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32:04It is Evan Cohen of unsports like Evan, good morning. How are you? Good guy. How are you? Super. Dupor. Do you guys spend any time on the discussion of Lambo Field? The naming rights on your show are to localize for you guys. Yeah, that didn't come off. Sorry, Jason. I didn't think so. That's good news, because we can move on to something else. Free agency. Why? I mean, it sounds like it's probably a big deal, no? There was some debate on it to be sure about Jason. So Jason doesn't think it makes. He will not call it whatever the company is. I don't want to misrepresent what you just said, Jason. So correct me one, and if I'm wrong, my name is all fans should be thinking about is yes, there's a tradition here, Lambo Field will always be Lambo Field. But if there is a revenue stream that a team can use that will help them win, fans should

33:05be on board with that. They did it. You know, there was a big thing when American family insurance did amp amp field. There was some pushback, but I think as time is elapsed, it's been more and more people call it amp amp field, and they help by being that partner to step up to support their local team. I don't get where the big pushback would be. Yeah, I think I can actually help hopefully solve this pretty quickly, so salary cap versus cash spend to huge differences in the NFL. Everyone talks about salary cap, right? Well, the key in the NFL is actually cash spend, because for example, if the packers wanted to create more salary cap room, the way to do it is to cash spend more likely than not. That comes with conversion of bonuses for guys like Jordan Love and Michael Parsons, guys

34:07that are going to be the givens, so to speak, like you know what you're going to get. You're not worried about paying them up front, but in order for that to happen, you have to have cash to do that, not every team does. So if that brings more money to you, and that's the cash spend increases for the packers, those are rights are a big, big, big, big deal. There you go. Also, I find it interesting that you guys are saying, are you both saying you will not refer to the stadium by the name? I'm saying that I don't think fans will be, it's going to be a lot of that. Yeah. I think fans will say, hey, are you going to Lambo this weekend? They won't say, hey, insert corporation here. No. Okay. Jason's not. I know. That was what I just learned from that whole ordeal. All right, Evan. I listened to on sports, I'm like, am I drive down to Milwaukee this morning? And Greg Garb was on.

35:09I thought he was fantastic as he always is. What are we going from Greg this morning on your show? I think he did just, honestly, for me, from my perspective as somebody who is a UW-Madison graduate, my goal for that 10 minutes was to give the nation, in fact, not as much into the team, but into the person leading the program that hopefully will attract others to want to be a part of. And I think he did that. I think, listen, let's be honest, it's the best case scenario for the badgers to have a host that would happen to me, me, nationally, to embrace the programs, right? Whether it's Coach Gard or Coach Dickler or anybody, like, I want to have them on in order to show off the programs. And I think Coach Gard did that. He also gave a newsy update when it came to Nolan Wentzer, right, like that he was going to be playing. He talked about how great the back court is. I think that he did an unbelievable job of describing the two guys that Boyd is the alpha dog and Blackwell is a dog.

36:11He described that. Yeah, like that, the duck. And, you know, 25 years in the state, he lit up when talking about the Packers, like, I just think that Greg Gard, on a national level today, had 10 minutes to show off his personality and that program in a way that somebody out there, a high school coach, a parent, a high school player, a transfer, because they like that guy. Okay, she's like a good dude. Let me look into that more. And I hope we accomplish that today. Yeah. No doubt. And I was talking this morning on WTMJ Wisconsin's morning news. And the question was, Frank Kaminsky made a statement saying that the, basically the committee screws over the badgers. They send them out to Portland. They're always looking for ways, which I don't always, I don't 100% agree, but I think in this case, they did put Wisconsin in a bad spot. And I actually believe part of it is, and Greg mentioned this on your show this morning, that the stereotype of the Dick Bennett era still kind of has some stick to itness with

37:15Wisconsin, even though they play nothing like what Dick Bennett did when he coached. There's, there is that stigma. And, and I think Gardo was very clear that that's, and if you watch any basketball, you know that's not what this is. But I do think there's still a stigma of, we don't really want Wisconsin to be on because they take charges. They play great defense, and they set screens, and they can't score. Well, that is no longer the case, obviously. And I think there is a little bit of that national perspective that still irritates us with Wisconsin. Wisconsinians. Yeah. I think like if that's the case, that's kind of wild to me, and maybe the case, but it also like the Dick Bennett system won a championship a few years ago for Virginia, so, and like, was just hired by the Lakers, right, and Tony, like, so we should get over that. I hadn't thought about that, honestly. I think you're probably right when, blindly, when, when, when you hear Wisconsin basketball, I think you think, you know, 45-42 game is probably what you blindly think about, if

38:18you're going to, if you're going to do that, but I could, I could be wrong. Do you know, by the way, I learned this yesterday, I'm not going to reveal Matt LaPay as my source, but you know that according to my sources, you know, in the last time Wisconsin played in Portland, what's, oh, 80s, 1991, they played against Portland. Do you know who the point guard was for Portland that year? Porter. Terry Porter. What? Yeah, he was the, for the Portland Trailblazers, he was the point guard. No. The Portland Trailblazers. The Portland Trailblazers. The Portland Trailblazers. UW Stevens Point. Damien Lillard. Dick Bennett. Oh, my God. Not the Blazers. UW Madison. When the last time they played in Portland, Oregon, was 1991, the point guard for Portland was Eric Spolstra. I'd go, ooh, the Miami Heat. Wow. So, so it wasn't Terry Porter and it wasn't Damien Lillard.

39:21Yeah. I was upset. Terry Porter, I'm a Kaitlin on that. That was a great spot. Scary Porter. Ron Tersey. Cliff Robbins, Zheng D. Oh, I'm glad. Yeah, but that was a squad. That was a smart team to watch. Yeah, but the badger's watch. Yeah, the trailblazers. I understand that. Do you, rock. Do you know how am I supposed to know who Portland, the University of Portland? Well, how am I supposed to know? That's why I'm bringing it up. you went to the hype. This was going to be a quick, hey, quick note. You went to somehow the badgers playing with Terry Porter, who was on UWC. No, no, no, no, no. I mentioned Terry Porter because he's a Wisconsin great. And that team was criminally underrated. That's why I bought it up. I think Evan was just looking for, no, Evan, who was the point guard for the University of Portland? I can't aim a lot of Portland trailblazers though. I just named a bunch. That was a fun. I mean, that squad should have won a championship. You know, Jordan, there's too many. There's too many of those on that team that are not alive anymore.

40:25It's actually that. Go look at your own personal past. Who else passed? Kevin Duckworth, Pat. Kevin Duckworth is the rub. Double O. Yep. Cliff Rother. All right. He's well. Dang. Way to bring down the mood. Yeah. Do you have a conversation? Segway for us now. Do I? Whoever brought up the, you know, a lot of those guys are dead. Oh, that was me. Yeah, that was kind of have gotten out. Yeah, that was have co. Back into very much alive. I will say I think that is very professional. What do we think? Because I took a lot of heat when my Justin Fields should be the backup quarterback for the Green Bay Packers and you know who just decided that it was a good idea to have Justin Fields is potentially their starting quarterback for a couple of weeks. Oh, Andy Reed and the Kansas City Chiefs decided to pay him three million. Get him out of New York and give up a draft pick. I thought the Jets would have to cut him. They obviously got a pick.

41:29What did you make of that? I thought it was the best decision of Justin Fields career so far. Because per all the reports, he had options and he chose Kansas City and I think it was absolutely brilliant by him to just attach himself to Patrick Mahomes and Eric B. and me and Andy Reed for whether it's this year or years to come. Brilliant move and I think that absolutely that is something that cows your your justified and your Justin Fields thought because of the fact that good teams wanted him. I also think that I'm justified when I brought up with you guys last week. The idea of the Packers is potentially they should look at Anthony Richardson that they thought the Mopsie put that out this week that I believe that that's the same kind of theory is let's have the Reclamation Quarterback and let's feel we can do with them because we've proven to be pretty good at this historically. So yeah, I think that's your next call if on the Packers. Is Anthony Richardson worth giving up a draft pick for right now?

42:34It's Justin Fields. Well, Andy Reed thought so. I feel like Justin Fields at least has a little bit more of pelts on the wall as Mike McCarthy would say. I know he's also got a lot of uneven play. I just don't know what there is for Anthony Richardson. Go look at the team's record. The team's record in games he starts chasing. I believe it's eight and seven. I'm not suggesting it's because of him. I'm not suggesting he's Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck in a cult uniform. What I am saying is his presence has allowed for more wins than you would think. Much better win percentage than Justin Fields had. I'm going to guess a much better win percentage than Malik Willis had in Tennessee. And if you believe the Packers roster is good around him, which I know you guys both do, then that that win percentage can continue if he is forced into starting. I could be wrong in that. You have to check in games he started. Is he eight? I think they're eighty seven if anonymous thing. Yeah, I'd be curious. I don't know what between his

43:38injuries and his performance individually when he played. I don't know where he's at and how if there was another scenario like there was for Malik Willis where 19 days after he joined the team. He had a start a game against. I believe Anthony Richardson and the Colts. Yeah. I don't know how I don't know how Anthony Richardson would perform. Again, I don't know where he is at development wise. I think it's unlikely that they would catch lightning in a bottle twice like that with a reclamation project that could help them immediately. If they think that they are a super bowl team, I don't know if there's a big difference between Desmond Ritter who's already on their roster who has started a bunch of games in the NFL and Anthony Richardson coming into a new system. I don't know the answer to that. Can I give you another name then? Yes. What about going right back to the team you got Willis from? What about Will Levis? And his mayo endorsement.

44:46Yeah, I'm just saying. I like him. Yeah. Again, I think and Towsha's made this point many times over the years. Where you go matters. I don't know how much Will Levis's success failure is because he went to Tennessee, but look at Tennessee's track record with quarterbacks since basically Steve McNair, right? Yeah. I mean, can't help. Can't help. Is there a quarterback? Hey, if you can, we should game I will say, which is wild thing, but okay, let me let me pose this question to you. Wait, can I just ask one thing on that though? No, this is a good one, Towsha. It's about you. So you'll like it. Terry Porter. I love talking about that's true. I know you do. Towsha said or Jason just said about Towsha that where you go matters. Have you played out the idea? What if you weren't drafted by the factors? What was your career event? Yeah, I definitely have played that out. And I think as I've said numerous times, there's about, I would say 10% of players in this

45:54league can go and play anywhere and be a fit and they'll they'll make it work. There's some guys that are talented enough that they'll be two or three years. But for most of us, the fit and how we're used will determine if we have a 10 or 11 year career or if we have a five or six year journeyman career that we bounce around that I've always believed. And that's why when there's a coaching change, you never know if you're the right fit for that. If they want to go younger, it's hugely imperative for about 80 to 85% of all NFL players, the right fit, the right place at the right time. Absolutely. Does that answer your question? Yeah, but I'm, but you didn't answer what you would have been. Would you have been the fit anywhere or the five six seven. So listen, I'm arrogant enough to say that if I had been drafted by Seattle with Mike Hongren and Matt Hasselbeck being the quarterback, I would have had a long career. I don't know that for sure.

46:56I can't tell you that for sure. The fact that I ended up in Green Bay with an offense that fit, you know, ball comes out, you run the football a bunch, that helped. But if you said, hey, you're going to go somewhere where it's going to be a running shoot and it was going to be, you know, you weren't going to run the football you weren't going to do. Would I have been a starter as a rookie? No, I would not have been. And I mean, I don't think. But you never know. I do know Green Bay with Brett and with Mike Sherman was a perfect fit for me. And that allowed me to get my feet set. And once you can get your feet set and get some confidence, everything changes for a lot of us that are drafted late or undrafted and have to keep carving out a career. All right, my question before I forget is Green Bay, if you're sitting here right now, you have one of three options. You go a veteran that has done it, Kirk Cousins, a reclamation project like Anthony Richardson, or you draft a young player that you think can really be good in your system in a

47:56couple of years. Which where are you going? All end up the top two. They're all sixth round picks. You either draft a kid six, you give up a sixth, or you sign Kirk Cousins as a free agent. Which where are you going? With a team you think can win. Hello, it appears we have lost every time I hit mute. I hit mute by accident. I hit you by accident. Richardson is where I would go first. Okay. Why? Where I would go first. Well, why is that? Because I dream of perfection and perfection is Jordan Love saying healthy 17 games. And then I think perfection to me is maximizing roster spots also. And then I think about like are there two huby sneaks per game that Anthony Richardson can give me because he's an enormous human being where he actually gives me value or another backup quarterback would not in my dream of perfection. So that's why. I think Justin Fields with the chiefs and I said at

49:03this morning on unsforcements, like I think he's going to be on the field of times with Patrick Maholks. Like I think it's almost like a trade where I could in my head. I see it playing out this way. Andy Reed says to him, you're going to have this entire off season because Patrick is not available to play right now where you're going to work with Eric the enemy and I as if you're Patrick. And then you may get a game or two as if you're Patrick. And then when Patrick's ready, you're going to be cordless steward or take some hill at times, not all the time and not as much as them. But like, are you cool with that trade off that we may use you in ways you've never been used because you've always been a quarterback, but your physical presence as a runner could be advantageous to us. Are you cool with that trade off? How could the answer be anything but yes? Am I wrong to be thinking Zach Wilson for the Packers? Yeah, isn't he a free agent? He's not he's not under contract to the dolphins, is he? No. Yeah, and Willis and yours will be one,

50:08two. I don't know. They're going to call Aaron Rodgers for an endorsement because if so, I don't think you're going to give it. Yeah. Again, I just there's a guy that was a very high pick. And if he, I don't know, I don't know how things have played out for him. It was obviously very ugly when Rob was got hurt and he had a play. Yeah, I mean, you know how things have played out for him, not well. But it would be, it would be his fourth team, you know, on that fourth team thing. I learned that last week. Yes, indeed. It would be, I do that. That's why I brought it up. There's your theme. There's a thing with that. I mean, that whole theory, though, San Bernard 114 and three with the Vikings, two on his third team. That was his fourth team, Tash, but try. Well, then his fifth team, he was better. Okay. And it's all them. Yeah. Sure. But I was talking about when they really start to hit would be the fourth team, which you just proved. So thank you. You're welcome. That backfire. Uh, say hello to say hello to our friends in LA. Let's get you out before they start calling you when you're about to say something. Yeah. Thanks. I don't have, I think of them

51:16all as friends. All as great teammates and friends. All right. That is Evan Cohen of unsportsman like Tash wants to give away some iron jock here. Yeah, Jesse. I'm going to let. Well, I'm going to pick what number, but I'm going to also tell you as a former athlete, I've worn just about every work out here. There is nothing compares to iron jock. Their performance apparel built to fight sweat, odor and bacteria, keeping you feeling fresh. No matter how hard you work from the gym, all the way to the pickle ball court iron jock will keep you dry, comfortable and confident. And listeners, you can get 40% off all iron jock t-shirts and polos with the code spring 40. Iron jock will help you look good, smell good and keep showing up and you get a chance to win an iron jock hoodie. Right now, caller 111. Caller 111 to win an iron jock hoodie at 844 770 3776. Caller 111 wins iron jock year from iron jock. Nothing compares to iron jock 844 770 3776 more

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53:24family owned and operated now in Wisconsin, DG yingling and son, Potsville, Pennsylvania, enjoy responsibly. Are the packers in such a champagne problem scenario that all people want to talk about is who the backup quarterback is going to be? No, because there's a lot of people talking about it. Jesse's got links here to his guy, Barnwell. We got John Breach over at CBS Sports. We got Evan Cohen talking about Anthony Richardson. We got Demofsky talking about Anthony Richardson. I don't know about you guys, but when I've been out and about and people have come up and said, hi, the last two weeks or so, that's been the number one thing that people have brought up in a little conversation. Who's going to be the backup for love now? Listen, yeah, that's always the case quarterbacks sell. That's what people are intrigued by. We have our starter. So that isn't in play. There are numerous issues that this team has besides backup quarterback,

54:26but I'm not going to poo-poo the fact that if Malik Willis isn't on this roster, the Green Bay Packers aren't in the playoffs the last two years. Truth. So if that is indeed the case, hopefully Evan's right. Jordan plays 17 weeks. He stays healthy. He plays at a big time level and we're in a position you never need to worry about it. Well, it's getting to be harder and harder to do that in the NFL. And the Green Bay Packers have done a good job obviously by picking up Malik and finding ways to utilize him in a way that you could win football games and make playoffs. So it is an important spot. I think Green Bay found a formula. I think they will stick with it. I do think they'll be heavily involved in the Anthony Richardson scenario. I think there'll be a lot of teams that think he can be their kind of that answer maybe even as a future starter. If I'm Anthony Richardson, this is where I want to be. I want to come to Green Bay because I see

55:28that it will be a low stress high reward. He could go through and if he can get in and win a few games and show his development like Malik did, who's to say he can't go and kind of build off and have the same kind of next step in his career path. He right now, he's not I don't think at the same place that Justin Fields was because Justin Fields has played a lot more, a lot more tape, a lot more scars. But you know, Anthony Richardson wasn't able to finish a drive. There's a lot of negativity about him right now. And the Indianapolis Colts just paid Daniel Jones pretty good 88 million dollars for a year to be the guy and they drafted him. So staying there isn't going to behoove him. Plumbing to Green Bay, letting Matt LaFlor kind of get his system into him

56:29could really springboard his career because right now, I don't think he's in a position to say, I want to go and be a starter somewhere. That shouldn't be on his radar. His radar should be, how can I get a lot better? How can I help a team win? And how can I grow into being the guy that I thought everybody thought I was when I got drafted fourth overall? Green Bay can be that place. So I would be all in on that too. I don't want to give up a ton and I don't know how much money you owe him because I don't want to be paying a backup quarterback 8 to 10 million a year. I don't think we're in that place. So I don't know if that is how it's going to shake out but the whole project and process could look eerily similar to what we just saw and we had a ton of success with that process with Malik Willis. First of all, we probably have to revise our statement because he goes into the Bears game after the concussion to love and they didn't win.

57:34And then he plays and starts in the Baltimore game which they didn't lose because he didn't play well but they didn't win that game either because they couldn't stop the run. Oh, I never said they won every game. I said they don't make the playoffs without it. Yeah, I don't I think they make the playoffs no matter who plays quarterback last year in the games that Jordan missed because he didn't play in any games that made a difference in their record. There were no games that Jordan got hurt mid-game and he came in and played. I don't I don't think so. Unlike that first year. So there's no doubt though that he was an enormously valuable backup option. So I don't disagree at all with the premise. I just wanted to make sure that I was double checking that because maybe I'm missing the maybe I'm missing something the last year. Jordan loved the reason that prompted me to think about it as somebody said has Jordan loved ever made it through a season without getting hurt? Well,

58:38his first year as the starter, I don't think he missed any time. We didn't have to see Sean Clifford at any point. So I think he has done it once but yeah, last year with the concussion the year before obviously with the knee and the groin injuries and then the elbow injury in the last game of the regular season as well. All right, we need to get to the 10 o'clock hour and we need to do that. By me telling you first about Potawatomi Casino Hotel. You don't need to hop on a plane or board a cruise ship to feel like you've escaped. Your next getaway is at Potawatomi Casino Hotel. Start with the stay. The biggest hotel rooms in Milwaukee, nearly 500 beautifully designed rooms and luxury suites. Perfect for a weekend. Reset a date night or celebrating something big. Room service. Absolutely. And your steps away from everything that's happening inside. If you're hungry, you've got lots of options from the premium stakes of the dream dance steakhouse to pizza burritos and quick bites at the marketplace. Rock and bruise for that high energy vibe. Cream

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