#92Noon! 10a Hour 3/5 - Ben Leber

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3:02Sky pop protein soda. Reach for the sky. Get your sky pop protein soda now at Target. Hey, check this out. I love that. I did this a year ago. It's the Northwest sports show. And it kicks off today through the weekend at the Minneapolis Convention Center. And tomorrow, because it's, I mean, it's fishing and outdoor bits. It's boats. It's RVs, travel and power sports. You're going to see all of that at the sports show. It's sweet. But I'm going to be there tomorrow from four to six PM for a little Friday night fish fry. So if you plan on coming down to the Northwest sports show, it's have some fish and chips. And chat about our favorite football team and all the weird stuff that's happening between now and the legal tampering period. So again, Minneapolis Convention Center, Northwest Sports Show tomorrow four to six PM come

4:03say hi, details KFA and dot com keyword calendar. Are you, are you wearing that shirt on Twin Cities live today three to four 30 channel fans shirt? Yeah. No. Oh, well, you look fantastic. I thank you. Perfect for your skin tone. You think so. You think so. You think so. You think so. You think so. Yeah, why wouldn't you wear that on TV today? I don't know. I feel like it's just like not quite TV enough. TV enough. Yeah, not TV enough. Define TV material. I don't know. Just like a little nicer than just a polar shirt. You look great in that shirt, man. This, thank you. This was a $100 to wear that shirt today on TV. I'll give it to you right now. Double dog. And if you don't wear it, then just give it back to me next week. Uh, I was with that weird chocolate. I don't know. I think it's a funny bit that we're going down. Not a bit. Good in the shirt. People still compliment me. Thank you.

5:03Um, if this was state fair time, I'd wear this. Well, I think I think I've actually made warn this when cities live outdoors, out and out. Outdoors. You know, it's like. It's more salmon season for sure. I will say this though before we get going. Nordow. I'll see you tomorrow at the Northwest Sports Show because I will be there for Twin Cities live as well. Are you cooking the fish fry? No, they're not letting me cook the fish and chips. You're, you're an elite culinary mind. Why not? I just don't, I don't have the fryer for it. So, uh, no, we're going to, I'm going to be eating the fish and chips. That's the fun part on a Friday night fish fry. Yeah. No, that's cool though. Live show, that's where you're going to be. So we're doing them what we call the split show. So I'll have two live hits out there. And then once I'm done, I'll come find you. Oh, hell yeah, man. No, that's sweet. Yeah. So I think I'll be done around, you know, shortly, I don't think I go all the way to 430. I think I have like a 330 hit and then like maybe a four or something in the four. So by about four, 15, I can maybe come find you.

6:04Okay. And whether or not you're wearing a salmon shirt, I'll be happy to see you. Hey, guys, can I come? Yeah. Yeah. I've been a girl for the fish and chips. There you go. I'll bring the tartar sauce and the ketchup and that'll be good with your salmon shirt on it. Yeah. You made it big on condiments. Everybody knows that. $150. Right now. That salmon shirt, Twin Cities live three to 430 today on Channel five. You got to wear that shirt. You look fantastic. I'm thinking about the crowd. I'm thinking about the eyes, the people meter, the Nielsen, whatever the, you know, it's really interesting because our show, you know, we've had people come on and they do your colors. Never heard of that. Mm hmm. So, oh, you mean like match your clothes to your skin tone? Yeah. So look, they'll basically put all these like different tones of color against your skin and your palette basically and say like, okay, you're kind of like this vibe. This is like looks good on you. These are the ones to avoid because they don't look good on you. Oh, I've never had that done.

7:05What makes them right? I don't know. I guess they're expert opinion in anything, Ryan. What happens when they get done and they say Eric, nothing looks good and then everything looks good on you. No, that's not true. That's not true. I mean, there's just very, very clear. There are colors that contradict our skin tone that do not make us look good. Aren't there colors like olive green? Olive green is a tough one to wear or just certain colors that everybody's like, ooh, I don't know. For me, horizontal stripes create a problem, but I'm working on it. Really? I bet you, I bet you can make you laugh. Of course you can. Stop laughing, please. All right. Stop smiling. So I was in Charleston, South Carolina, and whatever within the last month. And they had a clothing store on the street called King, King Street. There's kind of cool, called Jordan Lash. My favorite brand of pants are called Brax, B-R-A-X, all right? So this Jordan Lash, I mean, you know, it was like,

8:08a shade arm and leg to get, if you wanted to get a bunch of pairs. So like, I'm like, okay, I like these powder blue. I'll take those. And they had this and I bring this up because he mentioned olive green. It's more of a hunter green, kind of a darker green, kind of a command, you know, like army green. And I loved them. So I brought them to Denver with me last weekend, wore them to the wolves nuggets game with my kids. Here's the last part. Last time I wore them in a parking ramp, walked 10 feet from the car, didn't see a curb, tripped, toppled, went down. What was the strawberry? Wins and areas. Come on. No, you can, no, no, the strawberry's healing, okay? I mean, you hurt like a leg. That's an actual wound the first time I wore these Brax green that they no longer make. And I love them and they fit beautifully. I stumble, old people topple and I, and now blood stain on, no, a hole, yeah, there's

9:13a hole in the new and so then I call them yesterday. We get with them yesterday. It's like, well, they don't make those anymore. You, you might have had the last pair that they ever made. That's why they wear X amount percent off. Cool. What about patching? No patching's an L. We don't patched it. You don't patch it because everybody will always be able to know that you patched. No, the hole, the hole is, the hole's donut hole, a little, a quarter of a donut hole. But it's still a hole in my new pants that I worked for 15 minutes. You can't wear those. Crypt on a curb, toppled, got a strawberry and lost my pants. You can't wear those. I told you to laugh. That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. Dagger like wound on your leg. Not you want to look at that. Now, now, now what, now what was it, you asked from Derek from Derek and Coli? Now was it a point in laugh, or was it like, oh my gosh, an old man died down. This was Derek's Christmas gift to go to Denver to visit a sister. I'll arrange for tickets to wolves nuggets and you can bring your best friend, Nathan.

10:13So. Oh, so Coli wasn't there. No, Coli was there. She was there. So they're all there. None of them laughed because they all thought I hit my head on the bumper of a car. Your boy went down hard. Okay. I mean, we're not, I'm not being hyperbolic with this. Your boy went down hard. I could tell by your knee, I guess it was a disaster. So nobody laughed. They were especially, Coli was a little scared. First thing I said, because I'm, I'm startled, raised, I'm, you know, I don't know, I would laugh. If I know somebody's not super badly hurt, I said, it's okay to laugh kids, because I'd do the same. None of them laughed. They all thought I hit my head. So, but all I could say during the course of the day is I love these pants and now they're really. Now they're really took a big ole. So I can't take them to a tailor and find a color to match. No, don't do that. No. What about wearing them with the whole stitching, what about wearing them with the whole? I mean, think about it, 99.3% of the pants are fine. Yeah. Well, and they cost a buck and a high chain.

11:15Listen, short seasons coming up. I mean, brax shorts, brax shorts, yeah, nobody better, but I toppled. All right. NFL free agency starts Monday at 11 o'clock in the corn fields, a lot of quarterback conversation around here. However, there is percolating and big, big, big NFL news that has taken place recently. Let's go over to the big, big, big NFL news desk and here's the con. Well, we'll start here. How about this chiefs and Rams trade, Mr. Libre? The Rams get Trent McDuffy high in quarter corner back from the chiefs. The chiefs are getting the Rams 29th overall pick plus a 2026 fifth and sixth and a 2027 third round pick that's according to Shefty and it's a it's a weird thing. Now, it's not weird on the Rams side. They still get the 13th overall picks. That's all good. It's weird on the chief side because they have that seventh rounder from years back, Jalen Watson, who's going to be a free agent already.

12:16So they trade away one of their high enders and maybe the plan they'll get, they'll get Watson back. But a little depth issue for the chiefs in the secondary specifically. What should think about it? Well, I think they realized that, hey, not making the playoffs really sucks, like not being a serious contender with Patrick Mahomes is not what we're built for. I just wonder if they're just, they, they're looking to do something major in the draft. And I don't know what that would be outside of just going after Jeremiah Love. Um, the performance that Love had, the glaring need to have a true running back in that system is a, is something that they really haven't had. I mean, is this going to be a copycat bit Kenneth Walker, when Superbowl MVP could mostly in between the tackles guy, but they stretched him outside the numbers more than usual and Superbowl. So now everybody has to do that. It's possible. I think, I think that we've seen a trend the last couple of years, the importance of

13:18running backs. The importance of athletic pass catching running backs that can give you three downs. And I think that's what Jeremiah Love has proven to be and he's a true home run guy. So if that is the case, then this does help them potentially move up into that, maybe top five pick where they could make sure that they really get a guy like that. Isn't that crazy? I mean, they, they made it work with Pacheco, but now injury issues had to bring it. Didn't they bring Karim Haunt back, I believe, and like you said, though, whether it's, it's Houston getting David Montgomery and the issues they've had health wise, they're driving backs. David Montgomery's out of the division across the league. You are seeing such an emphasis A on health related issues with the running backs, but the ability to do what the Seahawks did with Kenneth Walker and then Charbonne pre knee. That's a big deal. No doubt about it. How about this? Dixie. Dixie's going to be a free agent, Mr. Lieber. Yep. I don't know if he's already on that list that you were running through PA, but, but Dixie's

14:20going to be a free agent. They save, while he was going to go from 10 and a half million to 26 and a half million in terms of the cap charge. So they, they said three years, nearly $70 million, we'll just take one and we'll send you on your way. What kind of difference? They use Kyle Williams. You got the booty cat, the tight ends with Drake May, not that Dix wasn't, you know, important and vital in certain spots, but thousand yards, four TDs, maybe not the season that either side of that table expected into 2025. Yeah, I think so. I mean, when I was, when I was getting ready for that Houston game that I, that I worked in New England, you know, I was watching the just more, more film than I'd ever watched on New England. I really, on both teams throughout the whole season and I just think that, you know, Dixie just kind of lacks the separation that he used to have. And he never was like a big run after catch guy. You know, he'd give it, he'd give it a few yards and all that stuff and then all of a sudden how many times we see him just like dive forward and kind of lay it down because he didn't,

15:20he wouldn't avoid contact and didn't want to fight for extra yards and I think all that's just kind of catching up to him along with just some of the distraction factor with his, his off the field stuff. It sounds like, you know, the thing is it sounds like from at least talking to a few people there that they really enjoyed having them around the locker room like he maybe is matured in a way that was, was not being a distraction was kind of being a leader at least during the, the wide receiver room. So I don't know if that was a huge, huge factor, but I just think contract wise, lack of production, lack of separation, especially with that short, quick passing game. He wasn't sort of the downfield threat that he, we, we kind of knew him to be beforehand. So I think it's a perfect storm of contract and performance or just kind of meeting the middle. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, Johnny Smith getting released by the Steelers, that's going to save about $7 million for Steeltown, uh, Darnell Mooney, uh, Libre, you've always been a huge Darnell Mooney fan Falcons where I'd receiver, they're going to, they're going to save some cash with him.

16:21I do want to kind of pivot this if I can to, I mean, really the, the, the Vikings are kind of dominating like NFL rumor mills and, and speculation right now and you and I were talking off air just this Jonathan Allen thing, maybe hitting us the same way in a weird way in terms of what we've heard, uh, and it's from all the right people, whether it's Aaron Jones, it's Jay Von Hargrave, uh, but Jonathan Allen kind of surprised me yesterday. Yeah, it actually did because when we were looking at this at the start of the offseason, I'm thinking, all the things that have happened so far have not surprised me. The Jonathan Allen one has surprised me a little bit because I thought that now maybe he wasn't quite the impact player that we thought he was going to be, I thought he was consistent. And I thought he was a good enough, a good enough player that with the veteran presence in this type of scheme, he was doing his job, I thought that maybe flew in the face of just stat hunting. So you'd watch back some of these games and you're like, he actually played pretty

17:22well like you wouldn't see it from the stats. Nobody's going to be like writing big articles about him, but I think that he was doing things within the scheme that really helped out other players become successful, helping out some of the linebackers be stay free, although those little the dirty work stuff, I thought he did a good job of doing that. And then you look at the fact that we're only saving what six or seven million dollars on the against the cap. So basically, why wouldn't we keep this veteran presence that was consistent throughout the whole year that played healthy basically throughout the whole year? Six million dollars? Not the biggest cap savings. And then we've got to replace him with what? You know, so we get rid of Hargrave, we get rid of we get rid of him. And then all of a sudden now, we really want to go with this youth movement at the defensive tackle and defensive line standpoint. Brazinski's making plays, he's making plays, but I guess I just don't understand what the plan is going to be. And that's not for me to necessarily understand today. But we don't know what the quarterback plans are going to be. Exactly. We're going to know what the third defensive tackle plan is.

18:23No, but it's, it is just interesting how we look at the glaring needs on defense at cornerback and now it's safety. And now we kind of have to put defensive line in the mix as well. Yeah, safety off when they get team them and them and them and them and I mean, possibly. But then also, what are we doing with with Bernard situation? Is he really going to be traded? If he is, where'd that come from? All of a sudden, that's kind of a surprise. Although, if you're looking again, if you're looking to build assets and all this other stuff, why not sell high if you can? And it sounds like maybe a second rounder for this year and maybe you know, a force of fifth rounder this year as well or something like that is kind of his his compensation when it comes to trade. So that could really help out in this draft, but now you're really going young. And if we are trying to get all of this cap savings, then that tells me that we're not going to be big buyers and free agencies. So we're not getting top tier free agents to come here to fill any one of those holes. So now we really, really, really have to like kill it in this

19:27draft. You know, in this one year, we have a pseudo GM. So there's just a lot of just, there's a lot of kind of cloudiness around the plan that's going forward. Flores and around about way I'm being told called a Javon Hargrave related social media stray. Just listen to what I said in 2026, a defensive coordinator for a football team in a roundabout way caught a stray on social media from in a roundabout way via repost from somebody who played for him last year. Yeah, how about this? So Seaford had posted yesterday on X ad Jonathan Allen to the list of veteran players, departing the Vikings. We just talked about that six and a half million in cap space. You nailed it. Well, then I don't know who this person is. We'll call him Marcelo. That's what he calls himself. If your D line equal posted Seaford, if you're D line and want to get to the QB Brian Flores's system is not for you. So that's Marcello. It was reposted by Javon

20:31Hargrave on X. I found something called Marcello's tweet and reposted it basically saying dog. I agree with you. If you want to get to the QB from the interior D line Flores's system, according to Javon Hargrave, not for you. How about that? I wonder what Jalen Redmond has to say about that. That's what I was going to say. It's like it seemed to be for Jalen. It seemed to be it worked out for him. It worked out all right for LDR a little bit. Exactly. And I thought Tira Tira on Ingram Dawkins actually when he was when he was flashing, he was actually getting vertical and and I don't know. I mean, look, I know players are asked to do certain things in certain situations that we don't always know from the public, but over a 17 game stretch, I find it hard to believe that you have to blame the scheme as to why you weren't as more effective as you should have been. Yeah. With Jonathan Allen and Hargrave now, I guess we'll get to see, right? We'll get to see

21:34with with both Redmond, Levi Drake, Rod Regas, Taki Taimani slash Taki Taimani in that mix now. Versus your 1045. Now you have me confused on how to say it. No, it's it's time on it. It's time on it. Yeah. I mean, we've all had problems with names and Taki Taimani doesn't play much, but like when he would get in the game, the analyst occasionally would like, you know, he would say, Taki Ta Taki Taimani. Just drop a Timani on him. I nearly had to pull over. We've all spent, we've all had those moments where we're just searching back of our brain just desperate, trying to find the right pronunciation. This Bernard thing kind of concerns me. You do get assets potentially. If you trade him, you do, you do save, I think you save like $12 million. Is Dallas Turner ready to rock though? You know, I kind of floated this a bit yesterday when I was filling in for PA and I thought he was splash year. I thought he had

22:38more explosive moments. I still don't think that consistently that he's winning even the one-on-one matchups at times. A couple of the sacks. You like the sack numbers, but you're talking coverage sacks. You're talking rundowns in a few different spots. And the idea of potentially moving on from Grenard. And now you're, you're book ending Andrew van Ginkel. I need to know that he's completely healthy and all that. And then Dallas Turner. That's another concerning spot for me. I'm, I'm right there with you. I as much as I think it's that blow me away if they trade to John the thing. Grenard. It's crazy. I hope they find. I mean, it's, it's basically, isn't it pred, this is the premise is he wants, he wants a raise, right? I think that's like a market correction or something. Do you know that? You know, I had not heard that either. I'm not saying that that's not true. I mean, that, I am that very much could be something that is going to verify that. Maybe I don't want to pull that out of the dark. That's okay, Timiny. There we go. Got a laugh after I said, I am second guessing that. And then I got a scowl on his face. So I thought I was

23:40serious and I call him Timiny and showing my strawberry and everything's fine. Yeah. Yeah, that would be surprising that he would ask for a market correction. But listen, I, I don't know if I feel super comfortable with Dallas Turner and Van Ginkgo being our only two outside rushers. I'm sorry. I chuckled there. This is the third social media post that I've seen the last couple of days from Minneapolis St. Paul International Airport. People saying collar Murray is by baggage claim that some kid that's like four dad. Oh, the rental car, man. This is a new one. Here's kids. Just, I mean, he's just fronting with joy, trying to jump on that baggage and the carousel. Oh, they're calamaries arrived. So I had originally seen it elsewhere. But Albert Breer did, did post a couple of days ago that he's seeking a market correction to his contract per sources. So I think you're lying. I think he wants a little more cash. Well, we're just rolling in it. So let's just give a joint. I want to give him a race.

24:40I want to find money for Jonathan Grinard. I just cut Van Ginkgo and Turner and give Grinard all of their money. The thing is, the thing is like, I, if I'm a player and I'm an agent, yeah, why wouldn't you ask? I mean, yeah, you'd be catching the team at a good time. Okay. Yeah, maybe you're not reading the room correctly. But at least I would, I would at least ask, hey, man, can we get this up based on his production and they do all their research with the agents and like, hey, this guy, here's this comp in the league. Like, can we get it up to here? I could see them asking, but demanding would be a different thing. And if they demand, and then he doesn't get it, then I could, I guess I'd understand, well, listen, if you're not going to pay him, then trade him. Just because we have an acting general manager, a few around the league have heard of because he's been hiding behind a desk as the capologist with, with Miss Betis is the system is really good at what she does. Doesn't mean he's some bow we've all sitting on a stomp rag into a dog in heat. You can just rip

25:42him off left and right. People see like acting general manager. Let's call the Vikings. See, we can get for Bernard. I know. About a fifth and two sevenths next year. What do you think? Oh, Robbie. Well, that's, that's the thing about Brasinski is like, he's been around. Correct. He's literally in all of these meetings. And he's smarter than all of you. Is that what they did with the previous? No, not us them. Well, he's smarter than us too, but I'm saying everybody in late. Oh, yeah, he created the poison pill. He changed the complexion of the NFL. Yeah, each sneed. Did you create the poison pill? No, now you're about their busy winning ranks. But nevertheless, Brasinski smart. I just wonder people are trying to take advantage of the situation because we have an acting GM. Oh my gosh. Can you imagine the stories that he's gotten from agents just from like even lesser players asking for more money? I'm sure I'm sure if that, if that's true, whatever Bras is reporting that he's asking for a market correction, that is like so far down the totem pole of like bizarre asks by players and agents, you know.

26:45Ben Lieber in studio at Nacho Lieber via X twins at his live three to four 30 today channel five. Lately, my friends keep asking what I'm doing to my skin. Honestly, I didn't change my makeup. I changed my skincare. It's called farmhouse fresh. This award-winning fresh-grown brand is a 14 year favorite of US spa's and beauty magazines and celebrities agree. If you're over 40 and feel like nothing really makes a difference anymore, this does. My skin looks brighter, smoother, and yes, people notice. Get the farmhouse fresh skincare glow. Go to farmhousefreshskincare.com. I can be happy with anything, even though I order the same thing every time. Thanks for not judging me. I'll try something new next time. Maybe.

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29:57The guest who was special guest Don Felder, at Mystic Lake Amphitheater June 25th, tickets go on sale this Friday at 10 a.m. And you can get the details. You just go to kfan.com keyword calendar. 9 to noon. Oh, please. Oh, why? Thank you, Minneapolis. Pleasant! Kyler Murray, if it's him, what will we like and what should be concerns? What we'd like, obviously, is the athleticism, the ability to create plays. Using his legs to get out of trouble,

30:57although I have some stats to back that up, that maybe he takes more sacks than you'd think. I think he's accurate. I think that's a huge thing. So when he does throw the ball, he can be accurate. I think some of those accuracy numbers, though, can be, I think, slightly jaded in a way where when you're on your secondary route and you've broken the pocket and you've created more time, then receivers tend to be more open. Because the scramble coverage is very difficult. So I think some of those on-target numbers, maybe a little bit skewed. I think here's the things that concern me up until the last two years, really 2024. We had his whole, his full season drew pet scene, the offensive coordinator. It really revitalized his development into not just being a shotgun quarterback. I think over 90% of the time he was in shotgun with Cliff Kingsbury and others. That's a really good point. He went more under center, did a little bit more play action.

31:59Now, is it at the same level as KOC? Not even close, like not even close. Right. So like, yes, there's development there. There's growth there to be more of an all around quarterback. But he's still probably more comfortable out of shotgun. I think that he doesn't get the ball down the field as much as you think on a consistent basis. For sure, there are shots. Again, secondary shots, scramble coverage. You give the little finger wave to the guy going down the field. Like, nope, just hit it long. I'll throw the ball down to you. I think within system, he's not a deep ball thrower. And I think that's a little bit of concern based on what KOC wants as well. Same question, what you think we'll like, and what some concerns can be for quarterback Gino Smith. Gino Smith, I think that he takes a lot of risky throws. I think that his wealth of veteran leadership and all that stuff locker room, like I think that he would win over the team very easily.

33:01I think he'd be a likable guy to have. I think that he makes the interesting thing about him is some of the things that we said about Sam Darnold, I think Gino Smith has some of those traits as well. Some of the reputation of bad decision-making. Why would you make that throw in that situation and sort of look what happened in a full off season and a season with KOC and his tutelage in education. So I think that could maybe be fixed and moved around. Again, I don't think that he gets the ball down the field very, very much. He actually takes a lot of sacks. Now again, could be offensive line, could just be like not seeing it clearly. Of the three guys that I've kind of looked at between Murray and Derek Carr and Gino Smith, he's got the lowest, lowest QB rating in the last five years of those three quarterbacks. He's got the lowest air yards of getting the ball down the field. So he's even more of a dink and dunk than Kyla Murray.

34:01And he takes, I think, risky calculated, calculated risk decisions that don't always go his way. So Anthony Richardson and that stuff that popped up, that's a non-player, right? Well, I don't know if it's a non-player. I just think that if you bring a guy like Anthony Richardson and you're basically bringing in another version of JJ McCarthy. So it's not solving the problem. It's just basically bringing in another guy to elevate what you hope is JJ McCarthy or Anthony Richardson in a true battle, modeling mono head-to-head competition and made the best man win. These other guys, I think you bring in and it's almost like, well, it's kind of a competition, but basically we're bringing this guy in to be the stopgap quarterback for this one season. And we'll see what happens and see how we feel about JJ going forward. But you'd be kind of a one year rental with the hope that maybe a Kyla Murray becomes your franchise guy. I think in Anthony Richardson comes in and it's just like, well, you're here to compete and we'll see what happens. A Raj. A Raj is another guy that I think maybe doesn't fit

35:04the system as well. We clearly know that he does not press the ball down the field. At least that's that's what Arthur Smith was doing last year and it looks like they didn't want to get him hit. Yeah, if that's the case, whether that's coming from Arthur Smith and Mike Talman or if that's coming from Aaron Rodgers saying like, listen, I just over 40 years old, I just can't be taking these hits anymore. And that was intentional from the quarterback spot or maybe that was just the offensive system. I don't quite know, but it certainly, it kind of worked. I mean, I don't know if it would work for our offense. Certainly he would be brought in to be the starter 100%. You're our guy for 2026 and then hopefully, hopefully a guy like JJ would just kind of see how the quarterback, the handling of being the franchise guy, how it really looks. This is a guy that's put every franchise he's been on on his shoulders. You may not like how he conducts himself and some of the things that he says, but he knows how to handle the pressure and he knows

36:06how to handle all the internal mechanisms that take place of being a franchise quarterback. Hopefully JJ would see that. I think that's a big benefit. Jimmy Garoppolo. Another situation, I don't think he's annoying to this as a starter. Jimmy Garoppolo, he's had several opportunities to take over teams and he just really hasn't. And I think there's something to that. So would he excite me? Not necessarily. I think he'd be a great backup if JJ ends up beating him out. But again, another guy that I think that you could see kind of how it's done and how it's done the right way internally. Won't see you until potentially next week. Free agency begins Monday. Lastly, any, any free agents you hope they get like, I mean, because we're on a budget here, despite some cuts that could take place. But I'm like, like, I mean, Juan Jennings was the first one that I identified as to like him a little more costly than I thought it would be. I got some others that we're going to share today and or tomorrow. They're costy effective. But what about you? Any cost effective freebies? You're digging. Well, I mean,

37:11let's just kind of, how about we do this? I have a small list of players that are interesting to me. I'm not necessarily going to single out just one. Love it. Jamel Dean, cornerback, Mike Hilton, cornerback, Jalen Watson. Who's Dean play for the Bucks? Yeah, most recently the Bucks. Yeah, obviously the chief. So I'm probably going to get rid of Jalen Watson because of the normal situation. Kevin Byrd's not going to be on the table anymore of safety. Jimmy Ward from the Texans might be an interesting guy. Here's where it gets really interesting now that we have all the defensive line issues. Dequan Jones from the rules. Tear Tarte from the chargers. Big man. Big man. John Franklin Myers from the old Broncos. I have a small list of running backs. I'm not going to get into those because I don't think they're going to be free agent guys. Jacobi Myers. I think we've talked about him because you'd like to want Jennings. I think Jacobi Myers from the Jags would be interesting. And then Tyler. Do you hate you want Jennings? No, not at all. Good. No. And then Tyler Linda, Linda bomb center for the

38:12Ravens. No chance. I know. I need to expensive. I know. I get it. He's the bomb. I know. He's the bomb. But see, then you get into like, why are they letting him go at age 26? It was like, why does new coach guy, the other little floor? Why doesn't he want Kyler? You know, and see, I wondered that yesterday. So then I went and looked at Jacobi Brasette's game logs. Jacobi Brasette low key was effective last year. He was good last year. He was good. So if I remember, if I remember some of the rumors coming out of Arizona last year, was that they didn't think Kyler was better. Right. It's like he was, he was injured. He came back. He was a healthy scratch. And I lost Ganon's number. I'm glad you still have it. Part of that was the system too, wasn't it? I mean, we talked about it during the season last year, means the freaking Cardinals, they were, they were not good. But in some ways, you mentioned it with pet scenes offense. It was, it was almost as if Brasette could run it more efficiently and effectively than Kyler could. Yeah. And if that's, if that's the case, if that's how the Arizona Cardinals feel, then don't you think that we have probably the same sort

39:18of red flags based off of our offense? I would think so. Now again, we, we'd have a lot of faith in what our offensive coaches can do and what they can pull out of people. But I do feel like with Kyler, you are sort of reinventing the wheel with him in his skill set a little bit by putting him in a system that we run. You my friend are the best. And we will watch you on channel five today between three and four 30 Twin Cities live. Thank you for the time. Yeah. Thank you. No, I'll see you tomorrow. See you tomorrow, man. Ben labor. Ben labor KFA and Vikings, a sideline analyst on the radio and a Twin Cities live on channel five today at three o'clock. Pete Bersich, I in booth analyst for the Vikings radio network. He played for Lou Holtz at Notre Dame. We're going to chat about the late Lou Holtz and more with the analyst when nine in noon continues on lately. My friends keep asking what I'm doing to my skin. Honestly, I didn't change my makeup. I changed my skincare. It's called farmhouse fresh. This award-winning fresh-grown brand is a 14-year favorite of US spas and beauty magazines and celebrities agree.

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42:49Score your chance in top tier tickets from Wild Hockey to huge concerts like Santana, the Dubie Brothers, Chris Stapleton, and more. Don't wait, enter now kfn.com to work contests. Alrighty, now we'll be versage and move the analysts for the Minnesota Vikings, KFAN, Audio Network joins us now. And Pete played for legendary coach Lou Holtz at Notre Dame. Coach Holtz died yesterday at the age 89. The analyst joins us now. How many years did you play for Lou and how good were your teams at Notre Dame? I played what, four seasons, 90 to 93, and we, I mean, during that time, we had a lot of success for, we had four January, one bulls. I went to the, I went to the Orange Bulls, a freshman, Sugar Bulls, a sophomore,

43:50and then Cotton Bull twice as a senior. We finished second in 93. And then I can't remember the next highest, but we were, we were in the top 10, I think, all four years that we were there. And, I mean, I look at my recruiting class alone having two guys go into the National Football League Hall of Fame, Bryant Young and Jerome Betis just out of my recruiting class. So it was a great time, it was a great time to be there. And we won a lot of football. And, and, you know, coach Holtz was, was the reason for a lot of it. What, Pete, what, what are some facets or some traits that made Lou a coach who would last to coach all over the place, almost 600 games? Um, he's a guy, he's a guy, I think he's a guy that did not care what you thought of him. He just wanted to win. And he was going to do whatever, he's going to

44:54do whatever it took in his mind to do that, whether it was unpopular. Um, you know, and there are, there are certain, there are certain people out there who can do that, who can walk into a building and not care what the people around him think because they're so fixated and so focused on what they want to do. They're not worried about what other people think. They're not worried about, you know, he wasn't worried about what his players thought of him. He wasn't worried about any of that. He had a standard, um, and something that he wanted to adhere to. And he did. And it was a, you know, it was very demanding. He demanded perfection. Um, he demanded excellence. He demanded all these things. And if you didn't, if you didn't, uh, comply, if you, if you thought you could do things better your own way, there was no room for you in the program. So, um, yeah, it was, uh, it was a very, there was never a moment to relax. And that pressure was, that pressure was there.

45:57I was there every single day, all day, all the time. Um, and I mean, he was, I mean, I, I mean, talk about stories. I remember, if you, if the college fans remember back in 91, um, we had a rough year, but then we ended up going to Sugar Bowl and playing Florida. And that was a joke out there about how, you know, what, um, you know, what's the difference between Notre Dame and Cheerio's and Cheerio's, Cheerio's belong in a bowl and all this and that, you know, I think. And so, of course, Lou didn't like any of that. And we were down in New Orleans practicing at Michael Stonebreakers old high school. It was a Catholic high school in town. It's where we practiced. The last day in pads was a big day for all of us because we'd all go out and party that night because it was the last day hitting for the entire season. So we were just looking through, looking to get through this last day in pads and then enjoy our evening. And it was, we get to the practice field and it's absolutely pouring rain. So we're waiting and we're waiting. We're all sitting in the gymnasium. Lou said, all right, we're not going to practice here. Get on the buses. So we get on the buses and we go back on the canal street downtown, um, in New Orleans. And we

47:03pull into this expo center, right? Like just like we were in Indy, big concrete building, whatever. So we get off the buses and guys are starting to take their pads off and lose like, who told you guys to take your pads off? We're practicing. We practiced in full pads. Wow. Thud just didn't tackle to the ground inside on concrete for two hours, three days before the game against each other. Guys were having a lineup funny because the pillars, the concrete pillars were in the way. But that was the mentality that we had. And it was, you know, who's going to be afraid of Florida when you're out there, you know, playing against some of the best and beating the hell out of each other on concrete, intent issues with full pads to, you know, three, four days before the game. Um, I mean, we, it was, it was live all every week. It was live on Thursday. We had a game on Saturday, live goal on Thursdays. I mean, it was, um, it was, it was intense, man. That's in, and it helped us win quite a bit, I think. So would the late Lou Holtz be described, I'm disciplined, disciplinarian maybe, but

48:09sounds like he was a task master. Is that accurate? Yeah. I mean, disciplinarian, um, it was, yeah, that, I mean, the disciplinarian side of things is, is, is, is interesting. He out, you know, there were a lot of rules. Um, you know, we couldn't have earrings and no hair below the lip. And there were some rules like that, you know, long hair, that kind of stuff. But it, he was, he enforced those rules. I mean, there were many guys that were left behind on road trips because they were late for a meeting during the week. Uh, you know, things like that. If you, if you didn't, if you didn't comply, you never got on the field. So you had to take care of a lot of different things, being on time, being, you know, all those things, or I'll see you'll never even get, you would never even get a shot to get on the field. And that was the demanding side. Now, before, well before Pete played for the late Lou Holtz of Notre Dame, Holtz coached the jets for a season. And he resigned with a game to go in the 1976 season. Later, he said, quote, God did not put Lou Holtz on this earth to coach in the,

49:16in the pros and quote, so like, and maybe, maybe a more examples here, other than Jimmy Johnson, from the Canes from Miami to Dallas, why is it so difficult for even the biggest name college coaches to lead NFL teams to a bunch of wins? I think it's, I mean, I don't know if it's any different now, but back then you won in college differently. I remember a story of Lou Holtz when he was with the jets, right? And when Lou got there, it's a different, you know, these are professionals, these are grown men in that, and kind of the college stuff doesn't work, the ra ra stuff doesn't work, the, you know, the, the, you know, all those things that when you're 18 to 22 years old, those things resonate, whereas when you're dealing with professionals, they don't of him sitting in a film room in a meeting with, with the offense with Joe Namath. I mean, Joe Namath was a quarterback with the jets at the time, and he was watching film with the group,

50:18and he kept asking Joe, he's like, Joe, what coverage is this? You know, what coverage is this? And finally, Namath, like, lean back and said, coach, you know what, flaky blight, coverage, this is like, it just, you know, his that way that formed that intimidating, that, that bit just didn't resonate at that, you know, at that time. And I remember I think it was before Redbot, the team, uh, Sid Hartman was walking around all happy one day, because he said, so and so is going to buy this team. I can't remember the guy's name, but his, you know, he wants to have blue holts come in. And the prospect of playing for blue holts again in the NFL, I was like, no, not, it's just, it just wouldn't work. Not because I had anything against him. Yeah, no, it's you mean, the way he goes about his business wouldn't work at the NFL level. I think that's the big, I think that's, and there's a lot of stories about Jimmy Johnson flying back from a game in Tokyo and taking guys right out to the field and making them put the pads on and cover kickoffs in full pads for like an hour and a half. Wow. Right off the airplane coming back, I mean, he didn't mess around either. So that mentality, um, I, it doesn't always resonate with

51:22the professional guys. Well, uh, may God rest the soul of a blue holts to the, uh, here and now for a couple before we say goodbye. Uh, NFL free agency opens on Monday. We all know that Kyler and Kirk both, um, reportedly are going to be cut. Now, if Kyler Murray is the starting quarter back for the Minnesota Vikings next year, what will that be like? Like, like, what do you know right now? This is cool. And then you're like kind of like, yeah, I've seen him play a bunch of times in like, what do you think? Um, what I remember about Kyler Murray Paul on the times that we've seen him. Um, number one, he loves his tight ends, right? He loves his tight ends. The other thing too is, is I can, I read, and this has been a while now. So, but I remember him being a pretty accurate passer, especially across the mental being able to, to, to, um, creates or make some throws and tight coverages. So there are some, there are some good things about him. Um, it's the, it's kind of the off the field or the study. Is he in a dedicate himself?

52:24You know, those are the kinds of hurt those, those questions that you have to have people in the right spots and the right places that would know for sure, whether or not, um, he's, he's going to be serious and, and, and devote himself to what's going to be necessary to learn a new offense, and to play in a different type of a scheme. So, uh, whether or not he's a good fit. I mean, that's, that's kind of the, that's kind of the interesting part between he and cousins. I mean, one guy you know has the acumen and, and, and the study and the whole thing. It's just, is he can he still physically do it? The other guy very physically gifted. It's just a question. Well, they're not, you know, he can handle it. So it's like, which one are you going to choose? And, uh, what the situation as it is, uh, I think financials have a lot to do with it because you can only do so much right now. Thanks, my brother. Have a wonderful weekend and, um, I'll text you later today. Okay. All right. Sounds good to see you Paul. See about that's Ben Lieber. I'll make that, Pete Bersich, the analyst in booth analyst for the KFA, Minnesota Vikings audio network, chatting about, uh, his four year coach at Notre Dame and they had good teams went to ball games

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