90 - Thinking visually, building marketplaces, and turning spreadsheets into products with Jonathan Hey, former CPO of ZenEducate

Last week I had a chance to chat with Jonathan Hey, former CPO at ZenEducate. What we discussed: - Is writing books more exciting than building products? - Where does Jono’s love for sketching come from? - How can PMs learn sketching to communicate their ideas more efficiently? - The power of explaining ideas visually - ZenEducate and the problem they are trying to solve - Why building empathy matters, regardless of your domain - How has ZenEducate’s product organization evolved? - How do you build a product strategy for a growing startup? - How do you balance what your investors want with what your customers want? - How will AI disrupt edtech? - Pasha is bragging about his experience trying to use AI avatars. - The hardest problem Jono has had to solve at ZenEducate - Why building what a spreadsheet does is not a trivial task Jonathan on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonohey/ Jonathan's book: https://sketchplanations.com/