#753 – Brian Cory Dobbs | Mars Disclosure | Blue Planet Red

0:00There's more you're supportive of the show and we'll let's take a podcast over at your house. There's a ploppy block, a ploppy block. Send it out, good vibes, good vibes, good vibes, good vibes, good vibes, good vibes, good vibes. Underneath breaths of deep gratitude and prayers for guidance and protection and put on a detour you do in a semantic drumming track and just give us your vibrations and stuff like that. Oh, it's really cool. Okay, guys, welcome back to the grandmatch show. We're going to be chatting with Brian Corey Dobs a little bit later with a Mars disclosure

1:03looking at some stuff on Mars and maybe some UFOs on Mars and some artifacts on Mars. Obviously, the face on Mars comes up and maybe some pyramids. Who knows? We go through all of it, Mars disclosure. I think he's got a documentary right blue planet red or something like that. Yep. If people want to skip our lazy Rammels, they can jump ahead. There's always a timestamp in the show notes. Boom, bring it right to that interview. Support the show though. If you do that, America does a slash support. Keep it going. But we do do some lazy Rammels here. Thanks some people that do support the show. See what's going on. I mean, it's been a crazy week, I guess, in Canada. We just passed some new laws. That's, I mean, we might see cops showing off at people's doors here soon. I still have social media posts and stuff like that. I've got an extra level of protection over you. Within your social media is mostly under my name.

2:03Like, you know, under my name, but it's my, you know, they could miss associate, but I'm an Indian. So it's going to be weird. I'm trying not to be hateful too. Honestly, like even on X site, like I try not to be hateful, but it's hard if you're being honest. Yeah, honestly, I just try to avoid. We were talking about it before we started recording, but I'm just trying to avoid the social media for the most part. I'm on it all every day. Anyway, I got to be make sure everything's working. The auto sends this and that interact a little bit. I probably spend the most time on Twitter, though, because that's what I use. Twitter still has the best timeline. And the algorithm seems to respond pretty quickly. Like I can even just like start. If I start grabbing clips or looking at tweets that are, say, down the topics for the show I want to do,

3:06then it'll almost instantly start showing me more of that, which I kind of like. Yeah, I don't really get that. Anyways, I was almost very rare. I look on Facebook too, because Instagram, we almost never come across. Like, it's trying to find clips for outlawed like is like a real needle in a haystack. I find on Instagram where X is the best. I find loads of them on X quickly. I've got some lists and it just happens. I can sit down for 20 minutes and go through X and have five, ten clips, but aside to review later. And Facebook may be a little bit not as much, but Facebook is good because you get a little bit, because they don't really like to share any news links, whereas X can get sometimes over-pluted and just political. But Facebook doesn't let you do that. So it's a little more of the obscure stuff and like that where I found the concave earth than the reclean reclinator.

4:06The reclinator. The rectilineator, which is not a gay sex, it was. Hardly new. It was to check the earth thing. Check that out. It's in the free portion of the grammar. Outlawed show, we do it somewhere on the YouTube channel if you want to watch the video. But also just to talk about all this because you were talking about knocking on the doors, right? That's what came up four or five times in a row, right? One after the other, these people forwarding that thing. So that's the problem with X. It gets the viral virality. It gets too much. It's like, so you can't tell me, you can't tell that I've, you sent me that clip four or five times in a row. Like that seems to be what it seems like. It's by design, right? There's these. There's a lot of people walking on the door and the lady freaking out, the old lady freaking out on the cops. They make it almost impossible to avoid. You know what I mean? Yep. Oh, it's almost like someone in the government

5:09buys a bunch of ads based on X. And it's like, hey, these are the messaging points that we're having on home this one. These are the main clips that everyone has to see. Everyone has to see these. I don't care how you get it to them. You email it to them. You do whatever. Like we were talking about the trailer product thing earlier. And it's like, that's coming at me from every direction even when I try to avoid it. It's like, it just showed my email box. Epic times. Ding. Substag. Ding. Ding. Is this. It's a. It seems like an ad buy, doesn't it? Yeah. So what did you send me? You send me a whole bunch of lists. They seem to be mostly from America, maybe, no? Mostly in the States. I think there's one in Canada and Calgary when they when they made the black foot wider. They kicked out all those people. That was the government doing it though. But then the other eight were just instances of trailer parks. Either deciding to redevelop, getting sold to a developer. I mean, run out of trailer parks.

6:10Get old guys. Can you imagine? Oh my God. Just after trailer park boys. Yeah. I wonder if they've like decreased the interest or increased it. You got to just deal with people and infrastructure and everything all the time. Yeah. It happens that people decide they want to get out of the business because it's not like a regular home ownership thing where you you just own your place and you're good. You're own in your place, but rent in your land. It's a weird thing they got going. I mean, how did that ever end up so big that it like took over every place? They're everywhere. Those trailer parks. Which seems fine if you're just like renting them. Right? If they were just for rent, like an apartment and someone just owns them all. But it seems weird. It's almost like a trailer. A trailer. A trailer where you rent your path. It's like having a condo. You own your condo, but you pay us. It's a trailer around our condo fees. Yeah. It's a weird operation. Sorry. Yeah. It's a spring.

7:11It's almost plus 20 here today. Really well. Yeah. They're saying 20 on Thursday. So I'm going to hopefully enjoy that. Fishing season's closed, but goose season is officially open. No geese yet. I was talking to Mike Gary Taders down in Idaho though. No, no, it wasn't Mike. It was Cody. You know Cody. Yeah. I was in Cody text today and said there was a bunch of snows in Idaho. So they're coming. So they're coming. Yeah. Hopefully within the next last last year it was March 31st. It was when we started scout. That was coming up quick. There's a little hunting thing in the season. I mean, snow goose season goes by quick. It's not like the fall where you settle in and you got a couple months of hunting. It's just like three weeks, two or three weeks chasing birds around. And then then we got.

8:11But I'm looking forward to it. We good to get out of the house. Man, I feel like I've been in this office for. Yeah. Months, which is kind of the way it goes. That's kind of the way I schedule it, you know, because fall is easy for me. Summer can get busy for me. So it's good to just. It is much done in the winter when there's nothing to do as you can. Yeah. And I've been, I mean, we should mention that we spun up a new contact at the cabin.com site. But that all brought into the future. If people want to go check that out, we've introduced direct sales on there, which can save you like up to $600 on the multitrip. I think it's $600 in event right fees that you could save by and direct that new pages for all the events. People can go check out new home page. People can go check out contact at the cabin.com coming to trouble us. I mean, I don't have the page over right now, but there's countdowns on them. So I think there's like the next one. The next one's going to be Easter Island, which must be like, what, say, 37 days away.

9:12I'm going to guess. Easter Island. View details. So it says April 22nd of 30th. Countdown, 35 days, 23 hours. 35 days to Easter Island. That's all. I mean, it's going to be an epic trip. It's an epic group. I booked our flights the other day. Dude, it's a fucking nightmare. You don't even want to know. Don't say, how are you supposed to sell tickets? You're like, God's a nightmare. No, our flights. I mean, I know our flights. It's like we leave our area at 935 by the New York. And then overnight to two. Getting there wasn't bad, right? We got, no, we got like three hours in New York. And then that next plane is all the way to Santiago. Yeah, it's pretty good. That's good. I'm there for 10 hours. It's a long flight. It's the same as sort of going to Egypt. Egypt. At least it's, you can, it's overnight too.

10:13So you hopefully sleep some of it. And then it put the way back is like, I mean, without doubling the price, which we can't afford to do because we're trying to sell tickets. So we got like a real milk run in the way home. I think it's like, first to Miami for a couple hours, eight hours to Miami. Maybe then we got three hours of Miami and over to Dallas, where we'll have nine and a half hours. So I don't know, like, we might want to leave the airport. I don't know what we're going to do in Dallas. There's not much downtown, really. There wasn't when I was there 20 years ago. Is the airport downtown? I don't know. Maybe we can have an airport meetup. Yeah. Dallas for me. Wow. What do you do? Yeah. Maybe I'll just renting a hotel room and line down. I mean, at that point, it might need you to sing in the bed. It's going to be like, because that way home ain't so bad. It's like, we leave Santiago in the morning, I think.

11:19I thought we left in the morning and ended up. No, because the way back is like 27 hours. Dallas, Calgary is only five. That's another two plus nine. Do we have to go all the way west? You said we had to go to LA or something? No, that was the other flight on the way back here. I'll check it out. I could pull it up. You know, I was trying to do booking.com. And I ended up going back to Expedia even after leaving and being done with them. I ended up back on Expedia because twice booked flights on booking.com. For them to email me like four hours later and say, now we didn't go through. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. So then get away from the return it. How do they think that's going to fly for people? I just don't get that. When you're booking, when you actually go through the booking, you want it to stick, of course. I mean, it's unbelievable. Okay. On the way there, 9.50 a.m. to 4.36 p.m. line in New York. JFK, you know, my first time in New York. I wonder if you could see the city from there.

12:21We only have a three hour layover so we won't be able to leave the airport. But I've never been to even the New York state, right? Because last time we ran New Jersey, I think, on the way back from DB Cooper. We would land it in Newark quickly. That was a long run, too. And then that flight from New York leaves 7.50 p.m. and lands at 6.25 a.m. and chilly. I'd like to know from somebody that works in the airport, logistical industry. If this hub, if this the way they'd make these hubs now, if it really benefits people. I just can't see how it does. I can't see how flying out of your way constantly. It doesn't benefit people. I mean, even the airlines. How can it fly for two extra hours? How can that benefit people? That seat's going to be empty anyway. So I'd love to see the long-term stuff. Ask the AI. Get the AI to approach.

13:21So that's actually a good way to calculate the Calgary. So we leave at 8.35 p.m. from chilly and land. So this is where it's going to be hard to, like, unless we stay up all night on the airplane. We land at 5 a.m. in Miami. We have two hour layover. So it's like morning now, you know. By the time you land in Dallas, you land in Dallas at 9.42 a.m. Yeah, but I mean, you've been on a plane all night. I just want to lie down at that point. I just need to lie down on a comfortable bed. Not walk around. Not go do. There's nothing to go see. Maybe, but rent a car. Yeah, maybe. I guess it depends on how well you sleep and stuff. Or how you feel about it. Yeah, yeah. Nine hours and eight hours. Nine hours and eight minutes in Dallas. Anyway. And then. And then just go right to Calgary, whole plan. Go to Calgary after that. Land in Calgary at 9.44 p.m.

14:21It's so doozy. I mean, that's honestly as far as the Egypt was as far as the than you think. I was actually trying to get us on a flight on the way back where we would have had like just landed in Mexico City in the morning and had basically all day in Mexico City. Oh, that's what it was. That's what I said. Left that night. Yeah. Go on all the way to Calgary. And I was like, man, that wouldn't be bad to you. Just go have dinner at a little place or something like that. Or even in the airport, the airport's big. And it's like, probably got some decent Mexican food. But it's out of the way too. I find one that included the fucking bags. A carry on. It wouldn't include a carry on. And I can't, you know, I got a wife. There's no way she's traveling without as much bags as possible. And you know what they do now that usually is if you, if you don't check the carry on, just pack a carry on like

15:23I try and check the carry on wherever I can these days. Yeah, yeah. Well, now they'll do it for free. So you don't have to pay the, you don't have to pay. The pack one that you know, you don't want to get in there. And have the other one ready to go just in case you don't have to deal with it on the plane. Yeah. But we got, I mean, that's, and the other thing is from New York to something that's a big plane at least with the nine seats across it. Yeah. A bunch of bathrooms. Should we get, I mean, it's going to be a hell of a trip. It really is getting excited for it. Now, if people want to come on that, something like four grand and it includes that flight from Santiago to Easter Island and back with the other. There's 19 of us, including Graham and I. A bunch of people that have traveled all over the world with us now that are coming to this now. Nicky the dudes coming, Casey's coming. The. Rothman's are coming and Renee. So that's going to be, it's going to be a hell of it. It's going to be a doozy. This is a once in a lifetime trip. Like we were just mentioned in the flights. I don't see us doing that again anytime real soon.

16:24Because you got to add another five hour flight onto that. Like, then we're in chilly for a couple of days. And then we fly five and a half hours to the island. Five and a half hours back. So it's a lot of flying. I don't. It's definitely not going to be an annual thing. It's just something that we're not planning to ever do again. No, I can't. I can't see us going back again. I mean, less something happens. Another, another big discovery or something like that. But I'm looking forward to seeing that giant. The giant guy, the big Moai, the 200 ton Moai. We're going to get some footage. Hopefully we got some half decent cameras. We can film some stuff for the YouTube channel. Hopefully or for you guys will try to get something. But it'd be better if you just came with us. Tax return season coming. Jump on it. Contact at the cabin.com. Jump on the Easter Island. And then the other big one. If that's too much for you, we have coming up. That's way cheaper as a solstice event. The exciting thing is that Dave Matheson's back in America. Australia got two communist forums. So he's back in America.

17:25And getting kind of solstice. Once it's come to solstice. So he didn't consent. You want to come out. He just wants to do some starman stuff. Of course. Dave does teach us about some stars. It's a great place for it. I mean, it's going to be obviously the longest days of the year. So the stars are going to be tricky. It's going to be late. We're usually pretty good at staying up late. But it is the solstice, which is sort of a celestial event. It's going to be amazing. I wonder what the moon's like that. The moon cycle. I don't know. But I know that will also be really about 15 minutes from the festival. So we'll be chiming up with them. If you want to go to the solstice. So from my own festival. We'll be doing that. I'm presenting there. I'm going to be interviewing me for sure. Maybe grab to interviewing Jeffrey. The guy who's the director of the Friends of Serpent Mount Foundation. That sort of runs the place. So we'll talk to him about that. And then I was Brad was saying that things all smacked up in the middle of the crater. And now there's a crater edge about 45 minutes away.

18:27You can run out too. It's the first quarter moon. Isn't it? So we might do that. Of course, Brad and Paul will be there. We'll be doing the Wim Hof, the ice bass, the cold train. Oliver is going to be there doing a bunch of family style food. Family style food for all of us. And there's a giant outdoor kitchen in the place. Like this guy huge yard. It's like I just almost like an acreage started, but all sort of done up. You know, manicured, not a couple acres, probably two, three acres. And the room for cabin. So if you guys want to check that out, contact at the cabin.com. I think that runs about 100 and some days away. And then of course, we have the Randall events in the fall. That's it for this year. But you can come to Malta with us by buying a ticket now. And making payments because it's an expensive trip. It's a five star trip. It's going to be amazing. It includes a bunch of flights. All inclusive. Of course. Sir, Danielle, Sitzley and Malta. Yeah. Sardinia still looks like other than, I mean, there's a couple cool things on Malta.

19:30But Sardinia looks very cool and very unexplored. Yeah. It's going to be good to get some footage for. We need to have decent camera, eventually. You know, one that, you know what we need is just the glasses. I already wear glasses. So it's tough. But we should just get you a pair of those mega glasses. And you're just wearing the whole time. Can we rent them? I don't know if you can rent them. If you rent them, you probably can't like take them all out of the country. Maybe you're all over the world. Maybe you can. I don't know. I was looking at, some pairs are only a hundred and some bucks. Some pairs are 600. Some pairs are 3,000. What? I'm assuming if you want like good quality video. The ones that are like a hundred bucks are probably catch your boss doing something. He's not supposed to type thing, you know. If you want 4K footage, I'd imagine it's pretty expensive. It's just something the lens is so small. It's going to be hard to get high quality footage. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know a lot about that kind of stuff though. So who knows, we'll try and film whatever we can now.

20:32You just gotta come on the trip. That's really the best way to do it. What else was there? There was something else you're supposed to mention. Just the web sites there. Oh, something about the shows and YouTube and the web sites. No, that's a lot of think we got most of that. There was something I was thinking of and I've lost. Oh yeah, hunting. I've got the hunting stuff up there now. If that's something people are interested in, there's like a three day, six day, ten day, twelve day or something like that. Tony's coming. Johnny's coming to help out. So it'll be three of us. And it's all there on the page. If you want to come check that out. It's fairly cheap. It's back country. A lot of camping. Camp is basically planned to camp a lot. And then go into hotels once or twice to sort of clean out. Get a decent night's sleep. But shoot a lot of ducks. Shoot a lot of geese. All sorts of fun stuff. People can check that out. Of course, we need people to support the show.

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22:34She's probably almost a lady too. Yeah, Shandro would be here. So here's $50 for Darren's birthday, just a small token of my appreciation. Please keep up the great work and look forward to seeing you both soon at another CAC event. Thanks, Shandro. Yeah. And then what is this sort of? Oh, I think that's it. That's all we got this week now. Well, I got it. We got to do a lordship here. I've got a lordship to do. I think for this. A keymail too, but I can't find it now. You ready for this lordship? Yes. Hey, Graeme and Darren. I'd like to become a lord of the Grimerica kingdom. I'm a monthly contributor to both Grimerica and outlawed for several years via PayPal. As Sergin. Yes, we recognize the name with US dollars. PayPal won't let me generate a new report as proof, but I have more than exceeded the

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24:34You guys are the exception. I mean, everyone kind of seems to be fucking it up. I do have another. I did find that other email. I'm not going to say the name because I don't know if you want to read it or not. And it's just a tack on to some, uh, like, uh, tech support for outlawed. But the last paragraph I'll say. Also, I just want to say I love what you guys do and hope you can wrangle more supporters with your $1 a month push. I live in a remote part of South Central Colorado in the San Luis Valley just over the paths from Begosa Springs where I think y'all did a contact at the Cabin event. America, THC and Roons soup have basically kept me sane over the course of the last few years. As much of my relational circle has taken to the prescribed narratives we've been fed like fish on power rate. Anyway, best wishes from the San Luis Valley. Thank you. Thank you.

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26:35Make sure we have that episode art all the time, which is handy to have. I mean, with us doing the whole Spotify push thing now, we're redoing on all in Spotify. You imagine if you had to come up with that little bit of art for every single one again. So, but you have this nice piece that can translate well into a YouTube thumbnail and just bang, bang, bang. So, and the other thing we got to mention what we do in a show with them soon. Maca Valley Nation is officially I don't know if it's out on audible yet, but it's out on ebook. Uh, paperback, uh, out with friend of the show. And I'm, I don't know. I think we can, I don't know if I'm supposed to say his name or not. He didn't say much yet, but the books help you want to check it out. The people that I've listened to it love it. So, it's a great book. It's, uh, this given it's, we're going to do an episode with them. It's like written game of thrones, the expanse. If you've read those, you'll like it. It's in that sort of character first style. It's a fun one. So, people can check that out. Uh, anything else? I think that's about it, really.

27:36I thought I had something else to talk about, but next week. I've been just fighting with this computer between making those websites that Claude made. It a pretty good job. I was able to redo all that entire site with the monetization and everything about six or seven hours. That's crazy, dude. Which used to take, you do just doing one of those pages. Yeah, it was really good. Really good job. He did an awesome job there on those. Well, it's Claude. He's a little gay. So, he's good at web design. And then, uh, GPT. I don't even know how many credits we have left on GPT. I feel like I might, my one computer has literally been going like 12 hours a day. Crunch and code with GPT just spits something out. I'll spend a couple of minutes implementing, trying it, getting the crash report, sending it back. And then it takes this thing like fucking ten minutes to cycle through it all and bring it back. And, uh, yeah, it's, uh, what I start noticing if the chat start getting too long, it starts taking longer and longer and longer and longer.

28:37And then once you go into a new chat, so Claude just introduced today memory mode. So it says it's going to hold key memories across your chats, which could be useful. The instance I mean, because now when I get to the point where it's lagging so much, that I have to start the new chat, I got to like, have it build a prompt to start the new chat. So it knows what the fuck is going on. Otherwise, it'll just take me down a complete rabbit hole. I mean, the flood part, the ad water, take away water, that's working. It's working well. It's been working for a while. Doesn't work on mobile yet. So I'm not ready to launch it yet. I can do an impact on land with an asteroid and get a crater. And the thermal radius and estimated casualties and all that. But the tsunami, the ocean impacts are fucking driving me crazy. I've been stuck on it for days now trying different things. I can get it to work this, but it doesn't really look good enough for. So the last thing I came up with today was just running through a bunch of calculations.

29:38Getting all the formulas for what the breakdown of a wave when it hits the thing on base to just based on like height, energy, velocity, energy and height velocity. How much does say a one kilometer high wave lose per one kilometer in land and then he also get a factor in elevation that it comes up. Yeah. It's some crazy formula. And then I gave that to GPT. And it's like, oh fuck, this is. So I mean, it's all that to say it's a long way away from doing a bunch of shit by itself. It's still like I say, man. It's like to make this flood map that I'm making. It's going to be cool. It's going to be great. But it wasn't like fucking tell it to the AI and it spits out this thing. It's been fucking, it'll be a hundred hours of work by the time this thing's done and ready to go and work. Yeah, but it would have been a thousand hours, you know, before. Yeah, I'm not saying it, but it's not like the robot made it. Yeah.

30:38It's close to that. It's an insane back and forth and troubleshooting. And that if you were a coder, you'd probably almost be better off where you're at. And I'm where I'm at now because I don't really. It's hard for me to go through and cut out just certain parts of code. So I got to get it to generate multiple scripts every time which takes the whole thing until I get to the part where I'm comfortable just editing code and code editor and doing that part of above a cell. Yeah. But use an AI or not. You learn a bunch of stuff along the way. Yeah. Oh, I can imagine. I still got it. It's just telling you how to do the thing. So it's almost like having an assistant tutor having a tutor there that couldn't. And then you start noticing things and then you just start picking it up and you're trying to grow together, which is. I said, we'll see how it goes. We'll see how the flood map goes. Once it happens and it's ready to go, we'll do an episode. Yeah. You need to do some cool stuff. So yeah.

31:38All right. Should we get the fuck out of here? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, let me just read his bio here. So I'm going to sneeze. I woke up with a cold. I couldn't sleep last night. You could. Oh. Uh-oh. Yeah. Yeah. And I just, weirdly, I never really have these like sneezy type colds, but something's gotten into my nose. Something's going on. So Brian Corey Dobs is the award-winning documentary filmmaker of Blue Planet Red, a groundbreaking film on the history evidence for life and catastrophes that contributed to the death of Mars. So x.com slash Brian Corey Dobs, Blue Planet Red.net, YouTube.com slash at Brian Corey Dobs. And there's Instagram and other links there too. I won't read them all, but there you go. There you have it guys. Please support the show and most of all enjoy the chat with Brian Corey Dobs. Brian Corey Dobs.

33:02Brian Corey Dobs. Brian Corey Dobs. So we are live with Brian Corey Dobs. Thanks for joining us. This is going to bring us full circle like from 2013, our first episode ever. Like 12, 12 years ago, 13 years ago was about the water stains on Mars. So this will be fun to talk about Blue Planet Red, your documentary blueplanetred.net. And your ex account is Brian Corey Dobs over there.

34:04So thanks for joining us. Wow. Thanks for the plug right up front. So you guys were doing water stains on Mars way back when, huh? Yeah, dude. I mean, the guy that we had on eFrame Palermo, his like obsession was downloading. That's back when you had to like download every picture. And I think he tried to put them all together. And he was trying to prove that there was these water stains on Mars. And I mean, Darren was really interested in it back then. And then I went and lost money trying to go to Mars. What was that thing, Darren? And I say Mars won. Mars won. I went and applied for Mars won and lost it didn't even make the first round in that one. So we were kind of going back then, you know? And then we got to know all this other stuff. But it's great that people like yourself are coming out with these amazing documentaries. It looks like it's getting lots of praise so far. And people are pretty hyped up about it. What do you think? Yeah, you know, as far as the documentary proper. And I guess for for new, for your listeners who are new to my work,

35:05there is a feature length two hour documentary that you can go and see the. Everything you ever knew about Mars. Rather everything you didn't know about Mars. There's the there's the NASA narrative. What we've been told about Mars. And then there's all the other stuff that they've found that they just really haven't talked about. And that's the stuff that interests me. As I'm sure it would interest you guys and your and your viewers. And you know, it's it's information and data that they've collected. And you know, when I say data and information, I'm also including photographs. So once you start piecing all this, all these disparate data points together, it starts to paint a very different picture of Mars. One that most people have no idea about. So I'm like, this is very interesting to me. I want to do something about it. So I decided to go ahead and, you know,

36:08just level up with video production and do the documentary because I felt like this story needed to be better presented to the public. So there's the documentary proper. And then there's my YouTube channel. My YouTube channel is essentially the follow-up to the documentary. It's more or less the sequel, the continuing series. Because I keep learning new stuff. I keep meeting new people. There's new information that's coming out. And of course, the sexy stuff is the anomaly hunters, though that crowd of people who keep finding stuff in photographs. So we can get into all of that today. But yeah, as far as the documentary is concerned, you know, I wish I had the metrics that YouTube offered. But, you know, yeah, it's being watched. I'm hearing from people over the world. It's really great. And, you know, the YouTube channel is getting more attention these days. I'm curious, how did you guys first come across it? Oh, man.

37:08I can't remember now. Someone shared it on Twitter. Okay. So because I don't think I would, I think I just followed you great when I, the same time, I sort of invited you on. So I think someone had like, quote, tweeted it. Or maybe it was just a tweet of the documentary that mentioned you. But I think it was like, you were tagged in the tweet or something. Or it was a quote, tweet of you, because I was able to sort of navigate right back to your page fairly quickly. Nice. Okay. Cool. I didn't get a lot, so yeah, I didn't even really have to, I didn't get deep into it because it just sort of fit all the boxes. You know, it's like Mars. It's maybe aliens and all this stuff that fits the show no matter what. Right. Right. Cool. Well, that's the very good question. Let me tell you how I'm used to messaging on Mars,

38:10because here's, here's my world view. My world view is that most of the public isn't even, well, what do they know? They know what Mars is a red planet. And that NASA is looking for life there. So far has come up with bumpkiss. A lot of people still think that NASA is still looking for water there. Okay. Now, we can talk about NASA's efforts. We can talk about the fact that they didn't find water there, you know, 50 years ago. And unfortunately, we still get news headlines about how NASA continues to find water on Mars as if it's new. No, it's not yesterday's news. We could talk about microbes. We could talk about fossils. We could talk about primitive life. We could talk about intelligent life. We could talk about everything up to UFOs. So it's just a matter of what you think your audience is starting point, you know, might best be because there's a lot to Mars.

39:11And I'm used to speaking with people who know nothing. Okay. And to get them all the way to pyramids, I got to start with what they know, which is it's boring in desert wasteland. Okay. Yes, we do know that there's water there. Let me start with a weird esoteric question, because I was just trying to, because we also talked about Fobos a lot in the past and the monolith and stuff. But I wanted to ask you, isn't it strange, or have you ever thought about this, that when I, when I tried to remember the name of the two moons, Grock was like, well, you know, Fobos and Demos means fear or panic and terror and dread. They're twin sons or companions of Aries, the Greek god of war. So I mean, all that just seems very, very applicable to Mars. It does. This is not an area that I am well versed in, but let me just frame it for you this way.

40:13If you are somewhat familiar with electric universe theory, then this stuff starts to make a little bit of sense, practically speaking. And I guess to boil it down and to distill this idea down is that if there are two planetary bodies out in outer space of opposite charge that kind of come close enough to each other, then there's a chance that it might discharge between the two and what that would look like as a planetary-sized lightning bolt, which perhaps in the ancient sky might have just simply been visible to the naked eye by people here on Earth. Right. And Mars is this noticeably different color, and so it's identifiable in this guy. And so if they're attributing what this electromagnetic phenomenon to Greek gods or not Greek gods, with gods or whatever, then there's data to suggest that these myths

41:15or that these stories, these ancient stories about Mars and about the planets were based on an actual witnessable event in this guy. Yeah. I love it. Right. Did you talk about the monolith at all in the documentary? Have you gone there with that? The Phobos. You know, I didn't talk about the monolith, the Phobos monolith and the documentary proper. Actually, it's funny you mentioned this. I just posted a clip on Twitter of an interview clip that I did with my buddy in South Africa. You guys might want to consider having on the show. He's one of these Mars anomaly hunters, and he does some fantastic world-class work. And what he does is not only does he find anomalies, but he has the ability to enhance the clarity of the image. Sometimes the images are of such low resolution that when you zoom into them, there's all this pixelation and distortion, image artifacts. So he's able to remove that.

42:16His name is Jean Ward, and he actually did a great video on the monolith, and I interviewed him about it. And so he's able to show you a really nice, the most crisp version of this monolith on Mars. And what's notable about it is that it's a different color. It casts a shadow that has like a 90 degree angle in it. So it just sticks out like a sore thumb. And the thing I want to just mention too, is there's a lot of people who have a lot of skepticism whenever I bring up this topic of image enhancement. Some might call it upscaling, whatever you want to call it. And in the days, in this age of artificial intelligence, people are really worried that what that means is that it's making stuff up. What Jean Ward and I try to do is that number one way

43:19is provide the source URL that you can go look this stuff up yourself. Number two, we present the raw image, and then the processed image so you can compare the two. And just to see if the processed image is mischaracterizing the anomaly in any way, we need to be transparent about this stuff. But what the viewers need to know is that this is a process that was developed before the age of AI. It's a process technically called deconvolution. And it's one that NASA has used for decades now. They started using this back in the 70s to enhance the quality of their own images. And the software that Jean Ward is using is the same exact software that NASA is using today to enhance Hubble telescope, James Webb telescope imagery, and lunar imagery, Mars imagery. So he's doing the same damn thing that NASA is. What about just movies and stuff? You know, we watched the, we threw on the first season of the X-Files a while back.

44:20And I was like amazed at how clear it is. They did something to it because when that shit came out and even like 10 years ago when you can download it and stuff, if you threw it on your big screen TV and tried to watch it, it was either still square like it used to be or it was, you knew it was 90s television. Whereas now, whatever they did to that, they didn't reshoot it. They didn't use new cameras, but you throw that shit on now and it keeps up with the new media. Right. And there's actually, back in the 80s and 90s, the producers of TV shows actually shot the show on film. So sign felt today, you can have a high definition version of sign field because they actually didn't shoot it on video. They shot on film, soprano, same thing, star track.

45:20Okay. All these really great shows were actually shot on film so they can go back and rescan the negative and enhance that detail. There's a lot of shows that were shot on video and you can't do that. But to your point, the software now has gotten so good that upscaling produces quite a great picture even from standard definition video. So regardless, this technology has existed for quite a while and it's only improved over the past couple of decades. So whenever you hear me say the word upscale, okay, all we're doing is taking out the blurriness, refining the edges, removing any pixelation, removing any image artifacts. And to the best of our ability we showed before and after pictures because number one, we wouldn't really be trying to enhance the picture quality of any of these images if the anomaly didn't already stick out in the raw photo. It's like, hey, that looks weird. Let's see what we can get out of it.

46:20So I just want to preface that because there's a lot of people, that's the main area of skepticism and I get it. But this is not some AI slop kind of stuff. I mean, we're really talking about legitimate photos and we're just trying to enhance the detail. The same way NASA is. Yeah, it's not going to make a pyramid look. It's not going to make something look like a pyramid that wasn't like a pyramid before. It's just going to clean up the lines a bit to make it look less like it. If it is, if it is something that's in a paradoia or if it is something that is, you know, just looking at it weird, then when you clear it up, you probably get lots of stuff where you clear it up and you're like, oh, this is nothing. We do. We do sometimes. I've thrown some stuff. There's a few images I asked John to help enhance some that I included in my movie that when they were enhanced, they didn't quite look as abnormal as we once thought they did. The benefit of the giant structures on Mars is that they're so big

47:21that oftentimes we really don't even need to do any enhancement to them. It's really the rover images because they take these wide shots and you see all this debris. And then there's one little object that's, you know, 20 meters away from the camera that when you zoom in, it's just all blurry and pixelated. So the rover images really require us to enhance their quality just to bring out the detail. So I mean, I guess to that, then you would be working on the assumption that the rover is on Mars. Because we talk about Mars in all sorts of different aspects. As we had people who said it all went to Mars we've got the Electric Universe version of Mars. We've got the Tycho's model where Mars is like a binary with our sun kind of like the serious system. So there's all these. We've gone down the Mars rabbit hole. A bunch of them obviously a big one is depends. But only a one where their life started there and came here, which seems to be not too far from where probably where it's at. But then the other one is that no one's going to Mars.

48:24There's no rover on Mars. It's in Greenland or it's somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hear a lot of that too. I'm not exactly sure where that started and anytime anyone, anytime I see anyone propose that it's just pictures of Canada. Like, okay, just all you got to do is just show me source imagery here. Like provide a source for your claim. And I'll take a look at it. But so far really no one has done that. I guess just to make the simple, I am taking NASA's word that they have sent landers and rovers to that to Mars. And that what we're seeing is the Martian landscape. If people want to entertain those ideas, that's fine. I try to really vet any information that I present. I always want to make sure it comes from NASA. Because rightly or wrongly, people trust institutions. And every time there's somebody on the internet who wants to make a bold claim

49:25that it that runs counter to conventional wisdom, they always want to know, well, what is the institution's position on things? What does NASA have to say about this? So I always try to keep that in mind, because NASA, you know, we love NASA. NASA has done amazing things. They've imaged our universe and collected data about our universe. And it's really cool seeing space photographs and learning about the solar system and stuff. So I'll go ahead. It's your work that'll find it. Pardon me? And if it is all bullshit, it's the guys like you doing this kind of work that'll find it eventually. And be like, hey, something's a little off here. I mean, I don't think it's a lot of the audience. There's probably 10% that are in the space's fake and gay crowd. Yeah. Right. Space is fake. That it's just so funny. So like if we're questioning everything about reality, which I guess we should, but we at some point we do have to certain, we do have to believe in something like I'm here talking with you guys.

50:26Maybe we're in a simulation, but I'm still here talking on this microphone through a computer to you guys. Like that's real. So assuming that NASA is putting forth this, this data, which I'm confident that they are, then we in the independent space have an opportunity to analyze and interpret that data because they are not doing it themselves. And that's the thing. It's NASA in my personal opinion. They don't want to really, they're not in the disclosure business. They're in the space exploration business and the carrot, they dangle the carrot of we're looking for life. And maybe we'll find it one day. But you know, they really don't want to even admit that they have. They have. Okay. And I know it sounds crazy for those people who have not heard this,

51:28but they first found evidence of life on Mars, microbial life on Mars 50 years ago. And since then, they found even more. But most people have never heard about it, because NASA does a fantastic job making these discoveries. They do a piss poor job at public relations. So that's where I feel like I can come in and fill that void is help communicate on these issues and try to be fair, you know, to the institution, and not just point my finger and say, giant cover up, they're lying to everybody, because that's going to get me. I'm trying to, you know, appeal to an audience as possible, you know, and I need people to take me seriously, because Mars has 50 years of baggage with it, right? People know the face on Mars. And I don't know, man, they know it's a red planet. So we've got a lot of work to do in terms of communicating to the public. Well, I wanted to ask you about that too, about Sidonia and the face on Mars. Like, has it been, has Holglund been vindicated through all your research, do you think, or where are we at with Sidonia now?

52:29Yeah, I mean, the face is a controversial structure, isn't it? What I think, what I find most fascinating to answer your question, I would, I would lean towards yes, Graham, as far as Holglund's vindication. And here's why, okay? Quantifiably, the structure that we call the face on Mars is different than everything else in that area, okay? When I say quantifiably, what does that mean? Well, fortunately, we have the benefit of people much smarter than I, analyzing this structure that we call the face, and observing that it actually has geometric regularity to it, all right? Now, for those of you who have no idea what I just said, meaning its construction demonstrates intelligent design, because it has designed into it elements of the Pythagorean theorem. It demonstrates intelligent understanding of the Pythagorean theorem,

53:33not only that, but if you run it through specialized software, which determines the difference between natural landforms and artificial landforms, based on fractal properties, it's quantifiably different than everything else in the landscape. Now, this specialized software is often used to determine the difference between trees and military bases, so when we're trying to figure out out a glance from satellite imagery, like, you know, where our enemy's equipment is located in the jungle, like it can say, hey, look, this is non-fractal, meaning this is artificially designed. The face is non-fractal. It doesn't exhibit characteristics of naturally, of natural processes, putting it together. So we have this, we have this great research done by people like Dr. Mark Carlotto. It's published research, but most people are unfamiliar with that. What most people know is that,

54:33oh, this thing kind of looks like a face, but not really, and they're not really, and my belief is because, hey, the damn thing is millions, if not billions of years old. What would Mount Rushmore look like a million years from now? It wouldn't look pristine. So once you factor that in, you factor in this quantifiable analysis, then you have to ask yourself, is there any precedent for having a giant face staring up into the sky? Like, why the heck would anybody make something like that? You guys probably know this. There's these things in Peru called the Nascalines, all over the place. Why would they've made them, if you can only see them from above? And not only that, but back in 1947, I did a video on all this, so I sort of up to speed with all the research with it. In 1947, there was a Japanese artist who had a proposal

55:34to make a giant face on Earth, let's say a mile or two wide, for the specific purpose of, you know, that was back in, right after these nuclear weapons went off and devastated Japan, so he was thinking ahead. He's like, well, if we destroy all life on Earth, how are any future alien visitors ever going to know that there was intelligent life here on Earth? He said, let's make a giant face on Earth so that people flying by can see that there was poople down here. Now, this concept, he made a proof of concept. He didn't actually do it, but he made a proof of concept. We have an image of it. This was, this proof of concept was developed, you know, a quarter century before we even sent Viking to Mars to photograph and see the face on Mars. So we have artistic precedent for it, and we also have people going back into the 19th century, Carl Friedrich Gauss.

56:35Gauss, you guys know like when you degouse something, you measure magnetic fields, Gauss. He had a proposal to communicate with extraterrestrial beings. We had no idea who else was out there back in the 19th century. We didn't know what was on Mars. And he said, well, let's put a giant Pythagorean right triangle in the hair side, a mile or two big, with adjacent squares on it. This is called the Pythagorean, or Gauss' Pythagorean right triangle proposal to communicate with extraterrestrials. Again, we're coming back to Pythagorean theorem, which the, you know, this right triangle, three, four, five, it's embedded within the face. So with all of this context, in my opinion, I do think there is something to that face. And not only that, it just happens to be 12 miles away from another anomalous structure, which is a five-sided pyramid, which inner of itself is so odd. So people understand that the Mars has this face on it,

57:39but they may have heard all this other stuff. And so they want to quickly dismiss it because the idea of a face on a planet is kind of silly. I like it, thanks for the explanation. Yeah, I think it's worth just addressing that, since that was such an interesting topic a couple of decades ago. Darren, did you have a question there? Did you want to, I kind of, so I don't know. I mean, let's, I'm ready to get into it. Well, what's more modern? What's more modern? Let's start off with Mars, and pictures of Mars and anomalies on Mars. So it's pretty fitting. Yeah, let's get, do you have any modern favorites from these? What did you call the guys that look for all the anomaly hunters? Yeah, if you had to pick one, if you had to pick like, what was it? What was the, what was the one that got you into it? I mean, it had to be something that you were like, well, what the fuck is going on here? Dude, that's a good question. And interestingly enough, what started peaking my interest in this is a Mars book written by Graham Hancock,

58:40called Mars Mysteries. And this came out, I don't know, late 90s, maybe 2000, something like that. And in it, he's recounting the history of the Viking mission to Mars, which was a really ambitious mission back in the 70s by NASA, where photograph the surface and all this high detail, and it photographed the face, and it also photographed what appeared to be these giant structures that looked a hell of a lot like pyramids. So I'm like, oh, that's interesting. And he also talks about the Viking biology, life detection experiments, and the controversy there, which we can get into, but Viking was this really important mission. So Graham Hancock, interestingly enough, was my entry point into Mars, and that book came out so long ago, and then I'm like, holy smokes, has there been anything since? And I just started reading and going online

59:41and turns out there's a lot. And I met the people in the community who have been studying this stuff and staying on top of it for the entire time, and I sort of got caught up to speed, and I'm in touch with everybody nowadays, because there's some knowledge out there that had it not just been for the one guy who saved that paper that you can't find on the internet anymore, or these references to information. So I'm trying to preserve as much of that as possible and stay in touch with the people who were still alive to talk about it, because some of these guys are getting up there in age. So, you know, and then we fast forward a little bit to a rather after Viking, you know, even in Carl Sagan's cosmos, his book on his TV show, he's talking about pyramids on Mars. I'm like, holy smokes, why are we not talking about that? That seems much cooler than, hey, look at this rock we found in the Rover image

1:00:41and talk about the geology and blah, blah, blah. So I pursued that, and it ended up bearing a lot of fruit. And one thing led to another, and I said, there's a story here that most people aren't aware of. They only get bits and pieces of it. Even the scientists who have discovered all this stuff, they don't talk to one another. So I thought it was necessary to really put this together in a cohesive story just to say, hey, look, there's a lot out there that you may not know. And, you know, no matter what your interest is in Mars, whether it be biology, paleontology, archaeology, and yes, even all the way up to UFOs, like there's something for everybody there. Yeah, and meanwhile, Musk has, you know, been raving about going there for so long now. And now recently he has changed his mind and said he wants to go to Moon first, which is kind of weird, but what's your thought about that? I'm changing gears there. I mean, let's be honest here, Musk is hopelessly distracted

1:01:43with every single issue. It seems like... That's a lot done, though. I'll be fair here, Musk is a visionary. Musk has changed industries as to why he thinks he needs to insert himself into every cultural issue. I don't know. He must have plenty of better things to do in his life, but whatever, the interest that he's been able to gather or garner rather for the colonization aspect of Mars, I think, is incredible, because the root inspiration of that is humans becoming a multi-planetary species. I get it. Like we've had catastrophe, you guys know, this we've had catastrophes here on Earth that a lot of us didn't really make it through. So if we want to provide a backup planet for humanity, well, Mars makes sense. So that, to me, is a visionary approach.

1:02:44And I'm on board with that. I appreciate that. I think what the public needs to understand is that before we go planning our American flag there and saying mission accomplished, we need to investigate in earnest the entire planet because Mars essentially is a crime scene. Yeah, it seems like you've got like huge scrape down the side. There's clear signs of water erosion. I mean, it really is a lot more interesting than the moon in a lot of ways. The moon doesn't have those sort of features that Mars has, where it's easy to picture that if you throw an atmosphere and some water on this place that it could have been something. I don't know what the surface temperatures would have been like atmosphere, but it couldn't have been that much worse than ours, depending on what the atmosphere was like. It always seems weird that there's nowhere over on the moon though, doesn't it?

1:03:45Why not just have a bunch? I think they've put a few rovers up there, but they don't get a lot of attention. And we don't have images, as many images to go through like we do Mars. So I think in the eyes of the public, the moon is a little bit even more boring than Mars is. But if you rewind the clock, Mars was an Earth-like planet. Mars was like Earth before Earth was like Earth. And that's why I titled the film Blue Planet. It was a blue planet. It was a blue planet before Earth was a blue planet. I mean, what does blue planet really imply? It implies water. It implies life. So if it had water in the ancient past, that did that give rise to biology most likely, yes. You know, the evidence shows that there's still biology and the living biology on the planet today. But if it gave rise to microbes, microbes, what about multicellular life?

1:04:46What about intelligent life? And you know, long story short, based on the strange anomalies slash artifacts, ruins, pyramids, and structures that we're seeing on the planet, it very much looks like there was an ancient civilization on Mars. That was wiped out. And I'm real curious as to about what happened to them because I don't want that to happen to us here on Earth. It starts to get into this star wars kind of territory, like IRL. And you think we would want to know that, right? I mean, that's the, well, but then again, we don't even want to know why the cataclysm happened on Earth either. So it's kind of like why would we want, you know, want to know even what happened on Mars when we don't even want to know that the flood happened 12,000 years ago or whatever. Yeah. Whatever is starting to become general knowledge these days. But what's your, what's it going to ask about the Mars,

1:05:49about the, what's your, what's some of your favorite evidence for this stuff that, that the anomaly hunters are finding, I guess, is one question that we've got to get to. And then I want to ask more about, like what, is your main evidence about, let's still say, the Star Wars thing like Brandon Berg's evidence of the nuclear catastrophe type thing, or is there also evidence of some sort of natural cataclysm Yeah, both. So, while I think the natural cataclysm had a devastating effect on any life that might have been present at the time, I don't think they were responsible. I don't think these natural cataclysm were responsible for the loss of the atmosphere. Because Earth has experienced similar catastrophe in the past and our atmosphere is still here.

1:06:51And that's, that's the whole mystery, right? Like what happened to the planet's atmosphere? NASA will tell us that it's the solar wind that's stripping away the atmosphere. Long story short, the solar wind isn't stripping away the atmosphere fast enough to account for its nearly complete loss. You know, those, they'll blame it on the magnetic field and not really being there anymore. But you know, there's research that actually shows an intrinsic magnetic field has no effect on atmospheric escape. So NASA's explanation, I know by the way they're sending another mission to Mars to go tackle this issue, they really don't know outside of that. Which is kind of stupid because it's not like, you know, if John Brandenburg hasn't been telling them for the past 30 years, but to really accept that research means they have to acknowledge something very terrifying. And NASA is not in that business of delivering bad news.

1:07:53They just want to be this nice, neutral agency. Don't worry, everything's good. Everything's good people. You know, we don't want to be responsible of cultural societal freak out here. Right. So I can, I can start giving a little bit of a show here because... Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And then... That's what... Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, go for it. Okay. All right. So I'll show presenter view. Okay, cool. Bring this over here. All right. Now, here's something that is hot. Is hot right now. Okay. Here's, I'm going to show you an image that I sent... That ultimately made it's very to Avi Loeb. I don't know if you guys follow Avi. Yeah, we had it on the show once, so a while back. Okay. Well, through a mutual acquaintance, I sent this to Avi.

1:08:57Now, before we get into it, I'm going to... I'm sort of an interactive portion of the show. Do you guys see anything that sticks out? I do, but I've seen this before. So, Darren, do you see anything? There's a little cone in the corner there. That's right. Okay. Now, before I show you the next image, let me just tell you, this black and white image is what you can find on NASA's website today. Okay. You can go there and find it today. There are colored versions of this photo that you cannot get on the public NASA website. You have to go into a different tool that's used by academics and NASA themselves, something called Analyst Notebook, and there they have more photographs, like this one. Oh, wow. I discovered the color version of this photograph in that online Analyst Notebook tool

1:09:57which requires an account creation. It's not intuitive. You have to go in there and dig and dig and dig and dig and dig. And ultimately, you can find more stuff there than is available on the public website. Now, why would they not release this photo on the public website? You know? We don't know. But clearly, the anomaly that we're looking at here is distinct because it's not rugged like the surrounding landscape. And for those of you following along, it's in the lower right-hand corner. And I'll zoom in here in just a second. It has different characteristics in the surrounding landscape. And it is also a completely different color. Okay, this thing right here. Now, if we zoom into it on the left, you'll see conventional magnification. And what we're seeing here just looks so odd. To my eyes, what it looks like is a cylinder, a perfectly smooth cylinder with a circle on one end.

1:11:00You can see it's sort of casting a shadow here. And John Rudd, my buddy in South Africa, he's got this upscaling software that I was talking about before that helps refine this and just makes it much more crisp. But if you compare these two images, you know, I would argue that it's really not mischaracterizing what this anomaly is. It's just sort of refining it and bringing out the detail a little bit better. So what is this? NASA has offered no explanation. And it looks like it's a solid cylinder, a perfectly smooth solid cylinder that is halfway buried. You can kind of see here. Yes, this taper makes it appear like it's a cone laying on its side. I'm arguing that it's actually a cylinder that's halfway buried in the hillside here. Like an old pipe system or something like that? Yeah, maybe. I mean, it's hard to see the detail, but it looks solid on this end as far as I can tell. I'm not there. But if I were driving the rover, I might say,

1:12:00hey, guys, let's go take a closer look at that thing before moving on. But that's not what happens. So all we have is this one image. And people might say, well, it's just a part that fell off the rover. Well, guys, let me ask you, if a part fell off the rover, which sometimes happened, the rover sort of break down and degrade, wouldn't it fall just like right down underneath the rover? I find it hard to believe that it would fall off and move meters away from the rover and embed itself into the hillside. That explanation doesn't hold up. And over by the way, this wasn't anywhere near the landing site. It's hundreds, if not thousands of days, into Curiosity rover's journey. So it's nowhere near. And then somebody might say, oh, well, maybe it's a part from a different mission. I'm like, one of the chances that Curiosity rover passes across debris from a previous mission. It also doesn't really look like a part. I mean, it's just a piece of a part or something,

1:13:02which, you know, I guess it's hard to tell if it's parallel, because the scale is a bit hard to know. The perspective on it seems a bit extreme. You know, it might be a cone. People, yeah, on Twitter, they'll say, Grock, please explain this. And Grock will just say, it's natural. It's a natural formation. You know, and that's, that's sort of what we get. It's, I know. So I, I, Grock isn't a useful tool, but it's, it provides misinformation regarding these finds and it provides what I call NASA Slop because NASA wants to explain everything through geology. Geology is the only lens through which they see anything, any of these anomalies. So this to me is the strongest artifact example. There are many others, but this one is really hard to argue with. So hard to argue with that, hey, look, even last, even this week,

1:14:02or rather, just a few days ago, Avilo posted this on his blog because he also found it interesting. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, I mean, you know, NASA might be leaving stuff just for us to kind of figure it out on our own so that they don't have to be the ones to, like you said, cause the fear and the panic everywhere that, you know. Right. If they come up with that. So this one was discovered by gentlemen in Israel. His name is Rami Bar Alon. I think it's important to give credit to the discoverers who, who find this stuff because they're the ones spending their spare time actually sifting through thousands of images trying to find some anomalies. So Rami is in Israel. He found this one. Or he found the black and white. I found the color one later. But he did the hard work in finding it originally. Now the upscale process and another anomaly hunter that I want to draw attention to is my friend, John Ward. He's in South Africa. He's finding all sorts of crazy stuff. And he's able to bring out that detail. And he's got a YouTube channel. He talks about some really interesting stuff.

1:15:02And here you can see Topaz Labs makes this process, makes this software called Gigapixel. Topaz is their LinkedIn page and here it's a little hard to see. But NASA uses this as well. There it is. NASA right there. NASA uses this. And he has a, here's a good example before and after. Here's what a satellite image might look like. And then he just sort of cleans it up right here. So people want to say, oh, it's AI just making up stuff. Well, I mean, let's be fair here. Like there's a bit of processing that has to happen here. But if you're looking at the before and after, does it, does it really mischaracterize it? In my opinion, I think it's doing an honest job of really trying to bring out the detail. And why would NASA be using it? It's because they believe in the abilities as well. So just my little spiel on that. You know what code has to say about that?

1:16:02I took a little screenshot of that tube and gave it to Claude. Oh, yeah. Claude. Claude. Claude. I'm going to call it because, fuck it. Quarter. Yeah. It says that's a photo taken by NASA's curiosity or perseverance Mars rover in the Martian surface. The interesting object in the foreground appears to be a small cylindrical tube. Most likely one of the sample tubes you can the Mars sample collection program. It's almost certainly a witness tube or blank sample tube that was intentionally dropped on the surface by the perseverance rover as part of NASA's Mars sample return cache. Right. So perseverance was the one dropping these little sample tubes out of space like it was driving around. Or it has perseverance was responsible for these little tubes that it's collecting soil samples which NASA was supposed to go back and retrieve that that probably isn't happening now. But that's an entirely different rover on an entirely different part of the planet.

1:17:02And over by the way, the collections tube samples don't look anything like this. So, you know, we have these AI tools just sort of guessing. They don't know. They're just trying to guess. I'm happy that it found some artificiality properties in it, which is what is even near what it was, honestly. I was thinking that if I gave it no context, it might tell me that's a this. Well, it might have been pulling from a lot of recent social media activity on it because it's been getting a lot of attention recently. So, who knows? But, you know, it's quite sophisticated tools. These these AI's. Do you guys have a hard stop in 10 minutes or? No, no, no. Okay. All right. Because I got a you know, a few more really cool things to show you guys. Yeah, that's for sure. You know, here's another example of a typical rover photograph. Right? This is all we see. It was just see freaking rocks everywhere. Just rugged rocks everywhere. All right.

1:18:03Which, by the way, let me let me pause here because Darren, you mentioned that giant scar on Mars, right? The valus marinara scar. That's the size of the United States. And Graham, you know, we talked about electrical discharge and essentially just imagine a giant lightning bolt hitting Mars, whether it came from the sun or whether it came from a discharge between two planetary bodies. I'm not exactly sure. But what that produces is an immediate excavation of all of that material. And it blows it all over the planet. So people wonder where all that stuff went. I'm looking at all these rover photographs and saying, here's all the stuff. It blew it all over the planet. That's why we're seeing just rocks, rugged rocks, everywhere all over the planet. Because it just. It went up into the atmosphere for so long or around and just settled all over the place. Some that settled right away and just sort of layered it.

1:19:05So we got like a burial effect almost going on. Yeah. Perhaps. I mean, you have an excavation the size of the United States. And actually, by the way, that scar is much bigger. I have produced a whole video on this. That scar. What we're only seeing is the central portion. Of the scar. The scar is actually four or five times bigger than that. It's it's kind of hard to explain without some visuals here. But that immediate excavation of material that blew it all over the planet. I'm like this. It's so obvious guys. It's right here. You know, maybe photos and demos were part of that. It just happened to just got trapped in, you know, because they're just small little rocks and I like. You don't look like normal moons. Right. Yeah. But anyway, back to this photo here. What's your what's your YouTube quickly before you move? Yes. YouTube is at Brian Corey dobs.

1:20:05Okay. And I guess the anomaly in this one. Yeah. It's got to be that little like he's a trash looking thing almost right down at the bottom in the right corner again. You know, it's strange. Sure. There's there's a lot to interpret here. You know, maybe what catches my eyes different than what catches your eye. This. This spot here. Boy, there's a story behind this, which we'll get into. But what actually we're going to be focusing on are these two things right here? You see these red arrows? Yeah. They kind of look like almost like crab pincers or something. Right. Now, if we take a closer look, this is what we see. Now, again, the conventional magnification. You can see the pixelation and distortion and blurriness. And then the cleaned up image on the right. Now, if you're willing to accept this upscale,

1:21:06does the original raw image justice that we can kind of see what's going on here? And all I can say, I can't tell you what these things are. But in my opinion, I've been on this earth almost 45 years. And I have never seen rocks that look like this. I don't know why you guys, but these just look a little too odd. And by the way, they don't match anything else in the landscape. Everything else in the landscape just looks like normal rocks. These two things look really strange. And we have reason to believe that NASA also thought they looked really strange, because the rover sat parked here for two weeks, taking photo after photo, which is not something rovers do. They normally take a few pictures and move on. But no, they parked here for two weeks and took images of this whole area, different wavelengths. And it's not just these two rocks with the whole thing. The camera can't zoom in. So all we get is these big panoramic shots. And this was discovered by my friend, Jeff Krukshank,

1:22:07who I interviewed specifically about these two things, because he was the one who found out through this analyst notebook tool that NASA had additional photographs of this thing taken over a two weeks span, which was highly anomalous behavior by NASA. So we can only speculate as to why, but it seems kind of obvious. These two rocks are really strange. Why would they be taking photos of different wavelengths here? And why would they park it here? Well, these two things look really odd. So, yeah, I would agree the shoulder there looks the oddest to me, that sort of the connection between the, the pincer took looking thing in the, and the body, that shoulder area kind of just looks like. Right. And the last thing rocks would line up no matter what it seems. This thing here just looks like a container that has tipped over. I mean, look at this. We have a perfect circle here, you know, and what appears to be quite a perfect circle.

1:23:07I don't know what this is. Maybe it's a hole or something, but so odd. These two really odd rocks. And that's the thing. I want to remind people that Mars is, Mars is literally an alien planet. If there was an ancient civilization there, which I think there was, the data supports this. We don't know what their technology looked like. We don't know what their culture was. You know, they might have done things a little differently there. And in addition to that, the surface of the planet has been essentially held in deep freeze for millions or billions of years because the atmosphere was lost so many millions of years ago, let's just say, at a minimum. So, yes, there is going to be some degradation to these things. Nothing's going to be pristine. You know, we're not going to go up there and find a brand new Black and Decker tool up there

1:24:08that we can easily identify. Oh, there we go. We know exactly what that is. No, we're sitting here saying this looks different than what we're used to seeing. We can't say exactly what it is with these artifacts. But with some of the structures, it's a little more obvious because, you know, we can say that in a second. All right. So, next one. What do you got, Graham? I don't know, actually. I can't, I can't spot it. I'll give you hints on the right side. Is it that like black thing that looks like it's leaning over there halfway out? This here. That thing right there. Okay. Now, if you just take a look, do you see anything else like that in the landscape?

1:25:08It doesn't sound maybe real far away in the horizon. Yeah, maybe. But this has some obvious, it catches your eye because it starts to add a glance that has some obvious symmetry to it. All right. Now, if we take a closer look at it. Wow. Interesting. Now, this caught the eye. We feature this one in the documentary. And we actually had the benefit of having an engineer. His name is Tim Saunders. He actually reverse engineered this thing. Okay. And he did that because he's actually a yacht designer. He has to know how mechanical things fit together. Okay. So he actually reverse engineered this thing and you can see the full video in the documentary. But this thing appears to just be a cylindrical object

1:26:11with this tube sticking out the front. And you then ask yourself, well, why does it look similar to just the rocks that are around it? Let's just say this was some type of metal alloy or something. Why does it look similar in color to everything else? Well, metal when exposed to a high volume of carbon dioxide actually corrodes and starts to look rusty. Okay. So the whole planet looks like this. So if there was any metal up there, the carbon dioxide and the planet's atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide right now. This is what it would turn all the metal to and start flaking apart and deteriorating. So it's kind of a miracle that after all this time, any of this stuff actually exists for us to look at. I can't tell you what this thing is. Only that it looks weird. And we need to go take a closer look. And this is something that NASA isn't doing.

1:27:11They're not driving the gas drawn rover close to get a close look at it. They're just taking a picture and moving along. Nope, we're not asking any questions. We're just going to move along. We'll do the betterment on them here. Can you back up to the original slide? What's the delay before we see the pictures from when they're taken? Is it probably by the time we see on the rover's already long gone? Not long gone. You know, with satellite images, you'll get them. No, actually you'll get them within a day or two. But yeah, it's generally moved on to its next target. That's how we get it. So it's it updating daily. Then this is, is it sent? Does the rover's update pictures every day still generally speaking? Yes, rovers and orbiters. Yeah, we're getting new stuff on a daily basis. And we've got these anomaly hunters just going through the new updates and seeing what's there. You got to God bless these guys who use their spare time to do this.

1:28:11They're not getting paid to do this. But wouldn't you expect NASA to do this and be like, hey, we found something funny. What do you guys think? But no, NASA doesn't do that. So it moves it to this independent community to do just that. Therefore NASA can, you know, wipe their hands and say, hey, we, you know, we don't know what you're talking about artifacts on Mars. That's just some random guy on the internet. So they're able to steer clear of any controversy because they can just blame anything. If you try to attribute any significance to any of these things on the one random guy in South Africa, my friend John Ward and others, you know, yeah. So the reason why I wanted you to go back here and it doesn't look like an artificial anomaly, but it looks like it may be an actual anomaly. The, the sand at the bottom center, it looks like there's a smooth section there that almost looks like that. That rock kind of like moved along and created that sand that smooth texture there. So that it just weird that all the sand texture looks different except for a little spot in the in the bottom center.

1:29:17This here. I can't see your. Oh, yeah. Yeah, now I can see your thing. Yeah, right down, go down, go down. Right there. That area there looks like smooth compared to the rest of it. Yeah, that's true. That's true. So, you know, there's. Anyway, what we can move on to the next one here. This one you're not going to be able to see, but you got ahead at this. This one. Fiber call correctly. The anomaly we're about to see here. Was was I would just want to get the name out there, not like it really matters to you guys. What matters to the to the to the to the fight to the discover Thomas Jensen, Thomas Mikey Jensen found this one. Okay. Because they must have to zoom in and move around and see like they must have to. Zoom right in and move around and look at everything in detail. Exactly. They spent hours on one photograph looking at this stuff and they may or may not find anything.

1:30:18But this one. I think I got it. Oh, no, I was wrong. This one's hard to see unless you zoom in. And when you do zoom in, it's it's really fuzzy. So we have to we have to employ upscaling to see it. But even without employing the upscaling, you're going to see what conventional magnification reveals. Whoa, that's the best one yet. Even on the left one, which has no image processing whatsoever. Okay. This is just stretched out like you would do in your Microsoft paint. Zoom in, zoom in, zoom in. This is what you find. Now, I don't know what that looks like to you guys. But in my book, I don't know rocks that form in perfect circles like that. Not too beside each other. And then it looks like you might get one just randomly by chance. You're not going to get too next to each other like that.

1:31:21So what what the upscaling tool, it has to do a lot of work here. Some of this looks like it's kind of embedded into this rock. You know, it's not perfect. But clearly we can see there's something going on here that doesn't look natural. So like if I were there wouldn't, you know, if you guys were there, wouldn't you just want to go take a closer look. See now, so let's do that. They give us these low as photographs that we're supposed to go and make something of. For moral and John Ward, I recommend he's got a website, Megalithic Mars. You know, he puts out stuff weekly, new finds. You know, John's great. He does fantastic work. He's an image, image processing guy. And, you know, he'll take an image like this, which is a, which a high res ultra high resolution JP 2 file, which NASA provides with some of their satellite images. And this just looks like, you remember what like the static on the, the old fashioned TVs, right, the white noise, the snow.

1:32:21They used to call it, okay, but this is, this is miles by miles long here, right? And we can zoom in and really find some interesting things. And so, you know, 201 megabytes just for this one. Sometimes they're really much larger than that. But, you know, John will go through this. He might take three or four hours at a time and go through just this one image. And he'll find something, let's say in this location right here. And then, like this is what happens when you zoom into it. Now, I try to make these easy. Try to put them in the center to find them. Okay, the thing we're, the thing we're looking at here is right there. Okay. And if we zoom in. Interesting.

1:33:26There's nothing else like that. And by the way, that thing is 60 feet long. Wow, that's 60 feet long. That's crazy. No wonder why he's saying megalithic Mars then. If he's finding stuff that looks like that, that's 60 feet. Yeah, that just doesn't look natural. And it's higher than that rock beside it or whatever that is beside it, because it's picking up the shadow. Like there's something lifted up on it. You see that? Yeah, I don't know what this part, I don't know if this is a depression or if it's just something black on top, it's hard to, because this almost looks like a reflection. Yeah, it's coming off this way. That thing next to that looks like it's elevated away. Yeah. Right. So it's odd. Joe McMonaco. You guys know Joe McMonaco? We're not feeling. Yeah, we don't know him. I don't know him person. Right. Well, he featured this on the Jesse Michaels podcast.

1:34:27I actually had a chance to interview Joe and I said, hey, by the way, that thing he featured on Jesse Michaels program was discovered by John Ward. You know, so we got to give people credit. It's not like Joe found this. So anyway, yeah, 65 feet. And here's a different version of it. John ran it through some update. And this grid-like pattern here didn't appear in the updated version of the upscale. So we wanted to, in full transparency, we had to try to provide different versions of this when the processing makes it a little bit different. So either way, it's just a funny looking object. And, you know, it obviously catches other people's eyes too. Let's continue on here. This one was weird. I don't know what that is. But you know, the other thing I remember E-Frame showing us was he had found a bunch of spots where it looked like there was entrances into something.

1:35:29Underground cave system or something. That's what I wanted to ask too, yeah. Right. I mean, we see these, we see these craters all over the place. But this one is distinctly different. That don't look like a crater to me. I don't know what you want to call that. That's so funny, 20 meters long. Like what, what the heck's going on there? I don't know how to characterize that. I've never seen anything like that before. You know, next. We have this thing up in the upper left hand corner. You see it? Very similar. No shook looking thing. That one looks like one of those things that the kids stacked rocks on top of each other. It's just a weird, funny looking thing. know, and you know, here's, we get so much variety with these anomalies. And I'm sitting

1:36:36here wondering, what makes a curve like that in nature? You know, that just looks like a large. That looks like a piece of Megaleth for sure. Yeah. Oh, okay. You guys see anything out of the ordinary here? I'll let you guys try to find this one. Again, I try to put them right in the center. If I can. There's a stick there. Right. Do rocks make sticks like that? I ask it that way because that's all that's all NASA wants to say rocks geology. Minerals. Because wood wouldn't be left over. They think, right? It would be no way. Yeah. And I don't don't know if I. Not that it means try to go with it. But it that's awfully hard to justify

1:37:40that that is simply just a rock. Right. And it's leaning like it didn't blow over. What? What are we looking at here? So many strange things. Now, let me also say this that's any one of these photos, just one of them I understand is not going to be enough to move the needle. It's not going to be enough to persuade anybody from. You know, I don't believe any of this stuff to oh my god, it's a certainty. It's really the totality of evidence. Once we start taking a look at all of these things and oh, by the way, these structures, you start to say, oh, there really could be something here because I can't I don't have a natural. You can't use the word parodolia to explain everything, which is what NASA wants to do. It's a crystal formation. Oh, it's just parodolia. You're just seeing things. You know, so here's something it's not so obvious. It's not

1:38:41that. It's not the blue part. It's not the blue part. It's not going through at all. Yeah, I can't know. I can't tell. It's in the center, but bottom half. I was going to say it looks like it's a parallel line. It looks like there's a rectangular stone on the bottom. What we're looking at here are these thin. Oh, no, that's not what I saw. Almost like a bone. It almost looks like a bone or skeleton type thing or something. Yeah, I mean, it's up to us to try to characterize this because NASA doesn't comment on this stuff. It's suspended. It casts a shadow. One end, I'm not saying it is, but it looks like a spoon. What that really looks like is something that's rusting out,

1:39:42and there's just sort of bits of it left. Yeah. There's all that F even right next to that spoon thing. I'll just sort of look like it's deteriorating, almost like an old Chevy does when it's sitting no back for too long. Sure. That might be the case, but why does this all look like natural deterioration? But this looks very specific and smooth. What would cause such a in the midst of all this ruggedness? Why would you have something so smooth and it looks like it has, you know, it's just really odd. Mars is odd. And no, by the way, we found something else that looks like a spoon. They're like a broken off one. Yeah, I'm not saying it is, but hey, that's a funny looking rock. I've never seen a rock that looks like that. Okay. Again, this is towards the center. Is that another bolt? I think your cursor is right next to it. Yeah, right there. Oh, that's a

1:40:50my cursor. We'll zoom in here right in the middle. A little red piece there. Yeah, that piece. Yeah, that looks too flat and parallel. That looks like a right angle corner there with something. Yeah, it looks like trim, doesn't it? Yeah, trim, yeah. I'm not saying it is, but that's what it looks like. I don't know rocks that form like that. You know, by the way, you know, I've tried on some of these images, I put the URL down below and you can go look this up yourself. I've got this stuff. I make sure that it is sourced directly from NASA or European Space Agency wherever. I mean, that's NASA's one who has the rover. So we have the benefit of that. All right. This one should be a little bit more obvious. That's like, you know, it looks like an old foundation wall right there.

1:41:53Were you thinking of that there or the wall to the right or not? No, that's what I was looking at. You know, again, nothing else like it in the surrounding area. What about the parent? What about the flat rock surface? The big magnet's right to the right of it even. Yeah. Yeah. Like that looks unusual flat. Sure. It does. I mean, this this almost looks like degraded metal deteriorating metal. Yeah, it definitely doesn't look like rocks. Unless it's sort of like sandy clay that's eroding in a certain way or something. Right. Yeah, you'll look at a old rusty pickup truck. You know, it's sort of got the rugged. It's you know, it's there's there's holes in it and stuff and the where it's sort of the holes developing in the in the doors. It's it's never like a perfect geometrical shape. It's always just got this rugged, you know, characteristic to the cut out. That's just what it reminds me of. And

1:42:55you know, people will tell me and people will tell the other Mars researchers that they're just seeing things. I'm like, you can't just gaslight us like that. That's just too easy a way to dismiss this. It's a lazy response because we have a variety of different things here. This one's an easy one. Yeah. Yeah. Your eye is drawn to it because it sticks out. Do rocks form like that here on earth? What would you got? How would you guys characterize that? What does it look like? He's a paneling. Like an old corridor. Yeah. I to my eye, my eye went towards like, eye beam, like building wreckage, like think about when not to open up another kind of warrants, but like, you know, 9-11 will like towers fall. You feel that wreckage, you know,

1:44:02it's all the metal structural things. It just looks like something resting on top of the surface, rather than just part of it. And it's straight, just looks like a metal eye beam to me. And there's all this flat stuff in the back. Yeah. It looks like a debris field of some sort. Right. None of these are the same as the other. You know, again, I want to recommend going to follow John War. He finds a lot of this stuff. He's got a great website, Megalithic Mars. So that's we've got a lot of artifacts. All right. We've got structures. We go right into the structures. You got time for that? Yeah. Okay. All right. Let me cue that one up to. Yeah. Okay. Getting past. We talked about the face. I'll just, you know, I'll just show you,

1:45:04though, because, oops. Yeah. So let's show presenter view. There we go. I mentioned these things before with regard to the face. The face has these geometric repeated expressions of geometric regularity here. These three, four, five right triangles, these four to three rectangles. And this thing on the right is the Pythagorean right triangle proposal that gals propose. You wanted to put a giant one of these on the earth, the big triangle in these squares, signifying because the math, the Pythagorean theorem is mathematically significant triangle. Okay. So he's got this whole thing. You can go look it up on Wikipedia. All right. But he wanted to, oh yeah. All right. Large enough to see from space. Anyway, let me get through this.

1:46:06And yeah, the fractals we know from nature. Okay. These are things that are high in fractal values. We can see a military base here. The plane lights up. You know, relative to the rest of the the rest of the area, which indicates it is a of low fractal properties, which means it's an artificial object and oh, by the way, the face on Mars does as well. It lights up. So that's what I'm talking about this fractal analysis. This was the proposal from the Japanese artist. He wanted to put a giant face on the planet. Okay. The nose itself would be one mile sculpture to be seen from Mars. Literally called sculpture to be seen from Mars. How about that? And that's interesting. Okay. I mean, so is it really that crazy? Is it really that crazy? We have the Nazca lines we talked about. Again, is it really crazy? We have Carl Otter's work. He's got all this fricking data and analysis because he's brilliant guys, a PhD in aerospace. Okay. So Hoagland,

1:47:09you know, he has this quote from his book that afternoon, so many years of JPL, it's a group of press passed around copies of the face photograph and laughed. Someone had jokling remarked that the face the head is to tell us where to land. Now looking at the image, I realized it wasn't a joke at all. Like, how profound is that? If this is actually something, you know, again, 12 miles away from the face, we have this other structure here, this DNM pyramid. Okay. Well, volcanoes don't look like that. They're circular. They're conical in nature. This thing is two and a half miles long. It's got five sides. This top part here doesn't really count. That's that's flat, but we're talking about this other structure here. That's from one side. This is the other. The right side is damaged. The right side is damaged, just like on the right side of the face is damaged. Okay. If you flip it upside down, you can clearly see it does not look like volcano. Okay. Volcanoes on Mars look like volcanoes here on Earth. Rounded circular. This

1:48:10has a high degree of symmetry and geometry, and you might think, well, what's that famous quote by Carl Sagan? He's like extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You guys remember this one, right? Yep. All right. So to which I would respond with another quote from Carl Sagan to bring up here, intelligent life on Earth first reveals itself through the geometric regularity of its constructions, meaning if you're looking down from space, how do you know there's intelligent life on a planet's surface? You look at grid structures of cities. You look at giant megalithic structures like pyramids, you know, straight lines and such. And so here we have repeated expressions of 30, 60, 90 degree internal angles on this thing. Is this not the geometric regularity that Carl Sagan is talking about? It's my question. And over the way, if you split this thing down the middle and you mirror each side, you can see like I'm mirroring over here, this left side over here, okay? It matches up with

1:49:14this red outline that I put on here and the same thing on the right side. So what are the chances that nature does that? And by the way, the face and this pyramid, they're both oriented in the same way. Some people like orientations as a marker for intelligence. It kind of looks like the Pentagon, you know, it's neither here nor there. It's just kind of a funny coincidence. My buddy George Haas has put out a book about this and you guys know Robert Shock, right? Yep. Okay. Robert Shock, my buddy George, teamed up with Robert Shock to do a research paper on the square on Mars, okay? This went viral last year. They actually put out a research paper. Robert Shock put his name on this thing saying that the square on Mars is not of natural origin. Now when you've got Robert Shock saying, yeah, we've got things on Mars that don't appear to be natural.

1:50:14Like now we're getting somewhere with this, okay? And I did a whole interview with George Haas, you can find it on my YouTube channel where we talk about this paper that they co-publish together. So beyond that, it's sort of going through a quick introduction of this stuff that you might have heard up before. We'll have stuff like this. Have you guys seen this before? I think so. Looks like someone dug that hole and put all the dirt right there. Now if this, if we're going to understand this to be an impact crater, okay, and it's got all the ejected material out here and oh by the way, it's two and a half miles wide and this thing down here is 1.7 miles wide. You can clearly see that this thing down here has sides to it based on the shadows and the

1:51:16lighting here. But if this is an impact crater, none of the ejected material is on top of this thing and oh by the way, this thing is still standing. If this had the energy to come down and if immediate had the energy to come down and create a two and a half mile while crater, anything directly adjacent to it would have been blown to smithereens. General McMonigal removed this thing back in the 80s. Okay, this is the exact structure and he called it a pyramid and it's commonly referred to as crater pyramid for good reason. They've actually re-imaged this thing and did it up close, better high quality photograph of it and the sides still hold up. Now I don't know how anyone takes a look at this and say that's just round like a volcano because it's not. It clearly has sides. It doesn't have a cold area at the top and it's just so rude because there's nothing else like it in the area and you

1:52:21might ask, well what does NASA have to say about this? NASA actually does try to characterize this on their website they call it a knob. You guys ever heard about a knob? I didn't. Knob is essentially when a glacier picks up a bunch of material and then deposits it as it melts. It's just a loose collection of it's a loose material. It's just a little hill. Okay, these are examples of knobs here on earth. Another way of saying it is came, these are just scientific words. All right, but again, this thing is 1.7 miles wide. Do glaciers put, construct 1.7 mile wide pyramidal shapes directly adjacent to a crater? No, by the way, there's nothing else like it in the area. Do they just do it that one time right next to a crater

1:53:23and give it four sides and it holds up for millions of years? Yeah, that's a good one. It is interesting around all those other ones. You guys know land of chem. Yep, Jeffrey Jump. He's been talking a lot about the geese of pyramids or rather any pyramids proximity to water and how water played an important function, important role in the function of the pyramids. Yep. Okay, chemical manufacturing and stuff. Right, but it needed the water to help it pump the chemicals here and there. And so he did this great diagram. It's like the water comes in, it pumps it up, blah, blah, blah. Okay, and so when Mars was a blue planet, what would that crater have been fed with?

1:54:25Maybe water. Maybe. Joe McMonogold talked about this on numerous podcasts. He talked about this very specific one. In fact, back in the day, back in the 80s or 90s, he gave this presentation. And look, you can see it right there, crater pyramid. He talked about this is the one that he viewed. And oh, by the way, we see more of them. Elsewhere on the planet. John Ward and Gary Legiere have found these. They both do amazing work. That far right one is interesting. I know, man. Yeah, that looks like it's like a field in a square there with the right angles. Yeah. And you notice how it's flat on top, that far right one. Yeah. Okay. The kings are a great pyramid is also flat on top. Jeffrey Jum has an idea about why

1:55:30he's saying the great pyramid was used as a lightning attractor. It was trying to attract lightning, right? And he says the greatest electrical potential would have been not the very tippy top of a perfect pyramid, but right below it where it's flat. They've done experiments where it demonstrates this. The greatest positive electrical potential to attract the negative electric properties of lightning would have. So he's saying the great pyramid never had a capstone. It's always intended to be flat. There's a functional reason why. So if you have flat top pyramids here on Earth, providing energy for their chemical manufacturing, and it's not just in Egypt that they do this, we see the same damn thing on Mars. And my buddy John Ward found another one. Two and a half miles wide. It's clear that it has sides. Now you might ask yourself, what's

1:56:35this bulge here? Yeah, that one's probably the clearest pyramidal shape there probably. Now again, it doesn't look like a volcano. Some people are like, oh, it's just a hill or it's just okay, it's not. It's got four flat sides. It might not be pristine, but what would anything look like after millions of years of wind erosion or sediment deposits on top of it, wind blow and dust around and such? You guys know about unexcavated pyramids here on Earth. We have Chichen Itza. Look, we have before and after. Looks like a giant hill with a building on top. If you remove all of it, oh, look, there's a pyramid. From the side, Teotirokon, just looks like a big hill over a hundred years ago. Even just the sphinx a couple hundred years ago was covered. Right, you just have the head sticking at the top, okay? It's like, do we now have any imagination folks? Like just remove the dirt and you have your pristine looking structure. And if you remove the dirt of Teotirokon and have this structure, what does it look like from above?

1:57:36It's hard to believe that they think 300 years was enough to do that. To do what? Very that Teotirokon like that. Well, I think it could be. I mean, it happens faster than you think. I think the reclamation of the forest and the dirt happens faster than you think. That's my opinion. On stone, it's tough because you get to get out of the dirt before you can get anything to take hold. Yeah, I mean, we can even see part of this back, back of the structure here is still buried a little bit here. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, but look, this exact pyramid flat on top and has this front stepped portion. What would that front stepped portion look like if it had sediment deposits, a million years of sediment deposits on, it wouldn't look

1:58:37angular and with these rigid, hard edges, it might look something like this where it's just dirt on top of it. But still, this thing is so deadgum big, you can still see sides. Like, you know, it's so if you cut it right down the middle, it's symmetrical. We have repeated expressions of geometric regularity. This is exactly what Carl Sagan is talking about. This one was discovered by my friend John War. I can't talk enough about this guy because he really finds some really great stuff. And my challenge to anybody looking at this stuff is, is it really too difficult to accept that what we're looking at is in fact, what it appears to be because if the only reason you say that's not a pyramid is because it's on Mars, that's not a very scientific response. You know, if we were here on Earth, these are pyramid ruins here on Earth and Egypt.

1:59:42We only know this because we can go up close to them and we know the history, but these don't look like anything. You know, it's just ruins, but we know these are pyramids. We have better examples on Mars, which demonstrate this geometric regularity. And when you put all the pieces together, Mars used to be a blue planet. We've got these artifacts. We have the history of microbes and fossils and other things. We're sort of skipping over a lot. We're going right to the the heavy stuff here is it too hard to accept that something like this wouldn't be exactly what it looks like. Here's another one. Dead center. Showing those pictures of the other pyramids from above really does sort of put it in a perspective. Yeah, the ones in Egypt. Yeah. Right. It's like there, it's just ruins. I mean, but we accept these as pyramids. Why can't we accept this other stuff that we're looking at? So yeah, from above, we can see that there is something distinctly

2:00:46different and unique about that damn thing right in the center. You think you'd just like, just go to what? Just go check one out and you know, shut us up. Shut us up. Look guys, it's just a power dirt. Right. But does a power dirt form in such a very specific and equalized way here, equal lateral way? We have a bit of, we could say damage on one side here, but again, how old is this thing? Millions of years old. Does wind really sculpt something singular? We're like that with such equal measurements on equal sides. Does it just do that out of nowhere? That's a good question. That's a really good question. There's the dirt. How does the dirt form? If it was just dirt that was getting blown around forming a big lump, it can't be that accurate as far as just three sides. Right. Like does wind blow in three different directions

2:01:48to pile it up like this? Three exact directions. Right. Okay. Now there's another one. I show you these landscape images because I need to show you that it's not, there's no mountain ranges we're talking about here. This one dot in the center. Yeah. Okay. We zoom in on that. That's a good one. That looks more like a pyramid than the Egypt ones. Exactly. That's exactly the point. And if we, again, we, we, we, people want to say, that's just a volcano because, you know, here on Earth, a single stand alone mountain, we consider those, we have them. They're called volcanoes. The volcanoes from above don't look like these things.

2:02:51Yeah. I would agree. And then when we compare it to the one in Egypt, and you're sitting there NASA telling me that there's nothing to see here. I know by the way, what does NASA call this one? You're a middle mound. It kind of makes me think that Elon was sort of told he can't go there. That's, I guess that's kind of sometimes what I wonder is if Elon was, because he's the type of guy that will fall through. So maybe they said like you can't go there yet. Yeah. I mean, it opens up room for speculation. You know, Elon sort of sets priorities and then changes them when something else catches his attention. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not the guy for doing what he's doing.

2:03:54And you know, the rockets are cool. The interest in Mars is cool. You know, I tend to follow Robert Zubin. I don't know if you guys know Robert Zubin, but he's, he's the guy that Elon Musk built his entire Mars mission around. Robert Zubin already did the hard work years ahead of Musk and figuring out how to go to Mars and survive there. And so Zubin's like, yeah, Musk is ambitious. He doesn't really understand the engineering as well as he should because he keeps saying stuff that's kind of ridiculous. Anyway, it's a, it's a diversion. Jeffrey Drum talks about a lot. He talks a lot about these Egyptian pyramids. And as being sort of the quintessential technology of this advanced

2:04:56civilization in the past, but that they didn't start with pyramids as being lightning attractors. Instead, they started with stone circles. He's a really fascinating guy to listen to. Yeah. Okay. And guess what? On Mars, that is also pretty interesting. Now, I know what the next logical question is. What is the rest of the area look like? Maybe it's just debris? Yeah, that's a good one too. Does, if you put together in your, in your own mind, whether it's in your documentary or not, I don't know, but in your own mind about a timeline for when the cataclysm happened on Mars, because if it really is these megalithic pyramids that you could same light line up with some of the psychopian works in Earth, except they seem a lot bigger on Mars.

2:05:59But maybe it's from the same kind of civilizations that were making these massive structures all over the solar system or not. But you know what I mean? Like, I really wish I could offer some insight there, but it's really, you know, NASA will say Mars lost its atmosphere billions of years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Brandenburg's nuclear hypothesis suggests that his nuclear explosion happened a quarter million, no, sorry, like 250 million years ago. You know, it's hard. We can't date stone. So I've, we're dealing with a huge range of time, and I really don't have any meaningful input to offer in that regard. And we're not using any mythologies and stuff like Velikovsky. What's that going? Well, we can't go there either. We don't have the benefit of, for example, to collect really any evidence on site to date things, or it's probably hard to look at alignments.

2:07:02Yeah. I mean, we can't go there. We just have these images that we can sort of piece together what the story might have been. I'm really just trying to appeal to the, you know, to the lay person here and say, hey, look, there's something that we got to take a closer look at without trying to invoke any of the mythology, which I think is more of an advanced level understanding. You really got to be open, really open-minded to entertain that kind of stuff. And I'm just trying to appeal to the general, the average Joe. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. And we see other examples of stone circles. I don't know what wind would, would blow things in circles on Mars, make mound circular mounds with a. That's a good one. I like that. You know, again, you got to hand it to these guys, making these, making these discoveries. And then we have another one here too. You know, overlay a circle on it. I mean, look at the, there's more rocks on the top half of the circle down there on the bottom, but you do see

2:08:07these rocks coming down here. You know, and it goes right in line. All right. And so, but look at Stonehenge. It's not perfect on one side either. We've got rubble here, but obviously this used to be a circle. So, you know, we've got, so Jeffrey Drumpot, he proposes this idea that what we see in Giza is type one civilization technology. You guys know about type one, type two, type three. Yeah. Yeah. He calls it, this looks like alien design. It looks so different than what we're accustomed to building here on Earth. And he proposes that if you're an alien traveler, traveling from one planet to another, you get on that new planet, you can't bring your factories with you. You have to make use of the resources

2:09:10that the planet has available. And how do you make electricity? Well, you just, you don't make it, you just gather it from the planet itself, but you got to have methods to do that. You start by making stone circles. You work your way up the pyramids. And then you start doing this chemical processing. I just love the way he proposes this thing. And what we're seeing on Mars says the same damn thing happened there too. We see stone circles. We see pyramids with flat tops. So what happened on Earth just simply happened on Mars before at some point as to when that was, I don't know, but it has to be in the millions of years. And stone, you guys know stone. If you want to make anything last, you make it out of stone because it'll last a very long time. You know, here's another oddity. Again, I just try to put it right in the center. All right, showing you that it's not part of any other structure. It's just kind of single stand alone. All right. We zoom in. What do we see? Something looks like a keyhole. You might say

2:10:12it's an exclamation mark. Now my buddy George Haas, he actually put a paper out on this. And he did some measurements. It's got a high degree of symmetry to it. Alfred McEwen of Arizona State University says this is related to fracture or faulting. He's like, you know, maybe he was uplifted by the faulting. Maybe the surrounding terrain has been eroded down over billions of years or both. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Does this look like faulting? No. That's the best they got because they see things only through the lens of geology. Is it compared to your concave? It's hard to tell it. Oh, it's convex. It's sticking up. It's sticking out. Okay. I know, by the way, we've got something in Japan. It looks just like it. Japan has all these giant tombs called cofoon tombs.

2:11:15They're sort of mysterious. They don't really let people inside of these things. These things are ancient. Sting, that's a good one too. So what the hell are we looking at here? You know, we just have all these different anomalies. And I'm like, well, if there was nothing to it, like, if it was just one thing, maybe it's just all right. You can forget about it, but we have so many of them and they're all so much different. Appearements, I think, are obvious. It's not like I was trained by somebody in the Jedi arts of pyramid observation. It's just I'm a guy. I know what a pyramid is supposed to look like. I know what a volcano is supposed to look like. I know what a mountain is supposed to look like. And we have people, I get people all the time saying, we have natural pyramids here on earth and they send me pictures. I'm like, okay. Yes, that's what it looks like a pyramid from the ground, but what does it look like from above from a satellite?

2:12:16And then the pyramidal feature just disappears. It just looks like a random, a regular hill. So we have to look at satellite photos when we're doing these comparisons. Otherwise, it's meaningless. Yeah, this has been great, Brian. This has been fantastic. Where can people find the documentary? Where can they find John Axe? We'll put links to everything in the show notes, of course, but believe it or not, a lot of these listeners don't make it as far as the show notes as proven by our donations. But if you mention it, they they had a better chance. Oh, thanks. Yeah, well, the place to start is with the documentary. It's just go to blueplanetred.net, click the red watch now button right there on the at the top of the page. And it'll provide you all the links where you can see it. You can see it on Amazon. If you're in the US or the UK, we've got some international distribution with some some other streaming networks. Heck, if you've got it on if you've got a comcast or Verizon or spectrum cable, you can bring it up here in the cable box with your remote

2:13:17control and your pajamas sitting in your bed at night. After you get done watching the documentary, it's got a fantastic soundtrack. So if you get a good stereo system, please crank it up because I got some killer music. And but we talk about water. We talk about microbes. We talk about fossils. I've got photos for all of this stuff. All right. But beyond that, please check out the continuation of the documentary on YouTube, which is you can find at Brian Corey dobs. And you can find I do little bite size pieces of examinations of these sort of things. And you can find me on Twitter at Brian Corey dobs. And you know, I'm just just trying to cover this stuff. And if you guys know of any alternative legitimate explanations as to what this stuff may be, please reach out, start a discussion. I want to know I need to vet this work. I need to know if there's something I'm missing because if I'm not guys or if I'm not missing anything, then we're looking at the

2:14:20remains of an ancient civilization that was wiped out by both natural and artificial catastrophes. And we alluded to it before. But you know, there's this whole nuclear holocaust idea, which we didn't get into. But you can watch the film and get more details on that. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's really good timing for somebody like yourself to put all this together. It's it's it's it's do. It's do. Yeah. We've got enough. Now we can put all the gather, you know, we do just need people to take this stuff seriously. And academia doesn't want to. But unfortunately, we got this, you know, you we've got podcasts like yours and other people out there are hungry for this stuff, you know. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, we encourage everyone to check out the show on Brian. Thank you. And when you do have volume two ready or however that looks out, let us know and we'll do this again. All right, guys. Thanks a lot for reaching out. Making this happen. It was fun. Awesome. Thanks. Have a great day. All right. Bye. Bye. Bye. And that was a chat. Brian, Corey, Dom's blue planet rare. What do you think?

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