176: Moon Boots and Magic Mountain

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1:00Yeah. I'm like I'm really good. Yeah. I'm lovely. Thanks, man. What's the best thing that's happened in the last week? In the last week. It was my youngest daughter's birthday, so that's exciting. Correct answer. Yeah. Cool. Glad I remembered that. That's good. I can go with the glorious set of tennis that I won all the Friday, yeah, so. Who do you beat at tennis? Well, I play with two groups. One is a bloke from church who's in his early 70s, but he's, and kept pointing out how many coronary sort of issues that he has, particularly after I beat him, but he's been the guy that's been coaching me all this time. So it was a bit of a coup. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I became the teacher kind of moment passing on Darth Vader, Obi-Wan Kenobi sort of Luke Skywalker vibe. It was. It was a serious moment, particularly because I killed him. When you beat him, like when you hit the match point to winner,

2:02did he just disappear and his tennis clothes just fell on the court? Just fell. I think he wanted to. Yeah. It was glorious because I finished him with an ace, then hit the line and deviated away, like it was just fantastic. I was so. And I was so calm because I'd listened to this podcast a few days beforehand with Darren Cahill, who's like Yannick Sinner's coach, but also an Adelaide person for that's important for us. And he was talking about like the psychology of tennis, and he was talking about how big it is and how you've got to learn most tennis players, of course, are young, so they're young men or women, so they're still maturing. He says you've really got to teach them not just the mental determination, but how do not freak out when things go bad? But he also said how not to over-celebrate when things go well. That all came flooding back to me when I won. I just thought, no, just look like you've done it before.

3:02Look like this is no big deal. So I just struck off the court. Was this the first time you'd beaten your ageing 70 plus tennis coach? Yes, yes it was. Yes it was. He's pretty amazing, okay. Apart from the time he had a near heart attack on the court, and we had to abandon it, which I've always claimed as a win, but he says didn't count. No, okay. This is the first time I've beat him fair and square. Do you pepper him with drop shots? No, I'm a bit more fair, but he's still, he's pretty good. I tell you, these old guys at net, they can get forward pretty quick. They can't get back quickly, but they can get forward pretty quick. Yeah, yeah, they're widely, they're widely. And he's accuracy is incredible. So he just gets that he puts it, you know, he's got me running from corner to corner. He's really quite incredible. But yeah, but well, he's obviously not like that incredible because I've just beaten him. What was the score? He was ahead and then I came back. So he was, I think it was six four. Right.

4:03He was four, I love up then, had a heart attack and... That's right, yeah, yeah. He wasn't there at the end. The ambulance guy took off. Well done, well done, you've become the master. I look forward to hearing what happens when you're next play. I know, this is when you come to visit in a few months time, it's going to be like Empire Strikes Back. I'm going to have to wear the road and reset, yeah. That's going to be big next time we play because you've, you've yet to never set off me, but maybe it's time. Maybe it is. I'm working my down debt from people in their 70s. Okay. To people in there, or you're only in your 40s, actually, but I'll be in my 50s when you're here. So I'll have clicked over. We'll be in different decades, so. We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. Anyway, like I said, my daughter's birthday was the most wonderful thing that happened in the last week. Yeah, you can't stop talking about it. Okay. I am just back from a work trip to New York.

5:06No, you were, yeah. The main thing I was doing there was like a, I did a talk to lots of people who watch number file. So obviously a lot of them came up afterwards and wanted to say hello and, you know, say, I watch number file and stuff. Yeah. But there were a certain subset of those people who then said, by the way, loving the AdMade podcast. Oh. And those few people who dropped that knowledge were rewarded when I just would pull from my pocket a few spoon of the week, collect the cards and say, this one's for you from the new batch from the new batch. From the new batch from the new batch. But best of all was I had a little cheeky look at our list of patrons to see if any of them were from New York City. And there were some. So I just sent out some emails, nothing pushy, no follow ups, just an email saying, I happened to be in New York. If you want some spoon of the week cards, just saying. And I got a reply from a, a gentleman named Wesley or Wes, as he calls himself,

6:08I called him Wes. Wes, yeah. But apparently it should be Wes. He likes Wes, Wes. Either is fine, he said, but anyway, he met me in the lobby of my hotel. We had a cup of tea, had a chat, chewed the fat, gave him a bunch of spoon of the week cards, a healthy batch, a healthy handful, mostly random, but I hand picked two that would New York themed as a little, as a little special something for him. And he walked away, I'm happy man. I'm not sure how I feel about you stalking our patron supporters like this man. I mean, this is, this is, this is, this is, can we catch up? But I've flown all this way. This is a fair point, this is a fair point, because but I do like the idea of when I find myself in some random part of the world, where there may be a Patreon supporters, I would never have met otherwise. Just saying, look, I'm here, I'm here. Yeah. No pressure, no follow up, no pestering, just just one email, I'm here. If you want to catch up, find, if you don't, if you just want me to leave spoon of the week, cards in an envelope at the hotel reception,

7:10I'll do that too. Don't have to even, you don't even have to meet me. But I want to get these cards out there. You know how I feel about them. They're very special. Oh, okay, okay. So this is about, this isn't about stalking and or needing a place to stay for the night or wanting someone to buy you dinner, or anything like that. No, no. It's more about getting the cards out there. It's getting the cards out there. I paid for the coffee, you know? Right. Okay, no fear enough, fear enough. West did come across a fear, a fear whack of New York to get to me, though, so. Four trades, right? Yeah. He was probably more out of pocket, but he did get the cards. He got the cards. He did. Awesome. So they are in circulation, then officially now. Yeah. They are. I tell you what's not in circulation, the special edition cards. There's more news to come about those at the moment, but there are going to be super, super special edition cards that are like, you know, you know, when people put, you know, pull out an autograph card, that's like, you know, all reflective and lovely and stuff and they're like the ones that are worth millions. Yep. They are not in circulation yet, but they will be soon.

8:11Well, I tell you, I was amazed. We had the Formula One Grand Prix here in Australia and I was just out of interest every now and then, I think of someone and I think, I wonder what the most expensive item associated with this person is on eBay. Yep. And so Max Verstappen, right? Favorite driver. I just thought, I wonder what, like, is it, you know, is it like a steering wheel or a tire or something? Tell me what I would have thought. That's right, autographed helmet. There must be something there for thousands of dollars or something. So just out of interest, I went and looked it up and I tell you, the top 20 most expensive items are all collector cards from Max Verstappen, these gold, unbelievable. I couldn't believe. Huge industry. Huge industry. I've become a little bit obsessed with it and I'm borrowing a few ideas I've seen from it. So, so, station, have your cards arrived? I've set them in the post to you. The new cards, if you got them. Yes. There they are. See them in your hand. Have you had a look through them? I have, I've been browsing through them. I've brought, I've got one at home at one at the office just so I've got, you know,

9:12both places covered for bragging rights. It's a big pack. It's hell yeah, it's a massive pack. It's a fat set. It's a fat set of cards. This is, this is like at primary school, when you went to the sort of the rich kids house and he had all these, you know, return the Jedi ones at all these extra ones as well. Yeah. Gosh. Heaps of cards. Nice. I'm glad they made it too. And there's a few surprises in here too that I didn't know you were doing, which is, yeah. No, no, Tim, Tim, Tim had a, Tim was very morally supportive of this project, but he has not been, he hasn't had like a guiding hand in the creation of the cards. So, all the writing on the back and everything has probably been somewhat of a surprise to him, some of my little write-ups at this place. What, what, no indeed it was. It was, it was. I chose, while you were doing a deep dive in the creation of these cards, I chose to continue having a life. Right. But I can't believe how much work has gone into them. I can't believe how many there are, really. And they're beautiful, actually.

10:15They're fantastic. And there's some real little easter eggs in there as well. Some really cool stuff. There are some surprises. And you wait to see the special edition cards. They're, they're really amazing. But more about that later. Just before we move on though, I did make a little audio recording when I was with Wes of the handover of the cards. Right. I haven't checked that the recording worked yet. So, at this point, I'm going to throw to a short audio recording with Wes, Wes. And if you hear some audio now, it means it worked. And if you don't, it means it didn't work. Cue the audio. Let me give you these cards. I was going to give you 10 randomly selected cards and I still am. But I'm also giving you two hand-picked cards. Because you're a New York man, you live in New York, you work in New York. There are two New York cards in the deck. And I loaded the deck to give you the two New York cards. So I'm going to give you these first. Tell the people listening at home what's on the cards. Well, okay, so we have a police department that's at a New York card.

11:16Pretty classic spoon design. And we have a Statue of Liberty design, which is a really themed spoon, pretty unusual. Is this your first experience of spoon of the weight collector card? Yes, it is, first time. What do you think of the production there? Oh, it's great. This is a high quality card. And there's a back end. There's a back. Oh, yeah, the back's, that's actually the back's actually the best bit. Yeah, there's a lot here. Extra close-up pictures, details, whites. Yeah, I got the mass, the length, the card number. What card numbers have you got there? I got a 46 and a 31. Okay. It's going to be a lot to collect. I got a long journey ahead of me. There's a hundred. Yeah. But I've got good news for you. Here's your other 10. There's 10 more cards for you. Tell people, just give us a flyer, you don't have to go into everything. Oh, we've got a prune of the week. You've got the prune of the week card. That's a one-off, that's special card, that one. What number's that one? That's a 43. Yeah. Wow, that's great. Do you remember when prune of the week was on the podcast? No, you can't remember that. You can't remember that, okay.

12:16It wasn't memorable for you. No, no. Adelede? Oh, you've got the Adelede card. That's card two, I believe, in the deck. Yeah, card two. We've got a queen, nope, not a queen. Yeah, it is. Oh, queen, be a trick. Oh, the Netherlands. Yeah, bet when you woke up this morning, you didn't think you'd be looking through collector cards and spoons. You've got a fork there as well. Got a fork. Oh, this is a misfit, it's a fork. Yeah, that's great. Where's the thank you for coming in. I hope it was worth your time. Yes? For you to come all this way up the island of Manhattan to get your, to get your cards. Yep. Stay tuned for more. That's all right, mate. No problems. There we go. I'm still not convinced that Wes is what he's going with. For his whole life. Wes, Wes. Because I guess he calls himself Wesley instead of Wesley. Wesley. Is that an Australianism to do that? To call people Wes. Wesley Jones that I was at school with in primary school. He's a definite Wes, yeah. And there's the politician in the UK

13:17who's quite high profile at the moment. And he's a Wes as if it sounds like a dead. So I think it might be more of an Australian English thing and Americans go more the Wes. I mean, the Wes makes more sense in some ways because it is an S. But just shortening, it doesn't seem right. I remember Wes at my school, he wrote Weser on his football. Weser. Yeah, yeah, like outline sort of thing. So W-E-Z-Z-A, Weser, Weser. Oh, okay. Well, I'll get in touch with Wes and ask him how he feels about Weser. Or Weser, he might go for it. I don't know. I do have, we could check the spelling. I've got several books about John Wesley here. But of course, that doesn't tell us the pronunciation, so. I was about to ask who your all-time favourite Wesley or Wesley was. Are you going to go that way? Are you going to go the surname and the theologian? No, I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with Wes Jones. I don't know if I should be saying his full name from primary school. But he was the reason, he was the coolest guy in our primary school, right?

14:18And I'm sure he doesn't mind you saying his surname if you're calling him the coolest guy. Well, in primary school, I have not tracked him since then, but he was, he had a cool mallet and spiky hair on top. And he was the reason that I went and played for the police boys football club. Okay. I mean, I was a useless footballer. He was like one of the best players and I was one of the worst. But I was just excited to be on the ground kind of with him and the other guys, you know? So, yeah, Wes, he was a cool guy. And I'm going to go with Wesley from the Princess Bride. Right. Oh, my sweet Wesley. He's my favorite, he's my favorite Weser. There should be, there should be a version of the Princess Bride, but with Wesley's snipes, playing the Wesley character instead. So, they're different, they're a different feeling, don't they? Oh, yeah, totally. Yeah. Are there any other famous Wesley's? John Wesley. Where's Wesley? It's a nice name. I know, a friend of mine has a son, Wes, who's a great guy. But he goes with Wes, not Wesley. So, okay. Australian. Yeah.

15:18Well, in case you think we haven't said the name Wesley and Wes enough in this podcast, I will come back to my meeting with Wes, Wes, Wesley when it's my turn for an idea for a podcast. This is where we need to go to an ad by you needing plumbing supplies, Wesley, plumbing supply, that's your, you know? Station sponsor. Okay. So, look at a Patreon supporters and see if there are any more Wesley's on there. Oh, yeah, quick. Okay, let me have a look. There's the first one, who's the one I met. He's in New York. There's a patron that lives on a Wesley road, whose name I won't say. Right. Oh, there's another one, there's another one here. And this Wesley is in Switzerland. Wow. Hello, Wesley in Switzerland. Let us know if you're a Wes or a first name. Yep, first name. Yep. And that's it. Two Wesley's and one who lives on Wesley road. I'd like to get us up to five. Five? I think it's time. If you know a Wesley, it's time to,

16:19I would like three more Wesley's to at least have five Wesley's. There could be five listeners. This is just patrons, because I obviously don't know the names of our listeners, but I know the names of our patrons, you know? They're on our website, so. I'd say, well, how about this? If we get three, the first three Wesley's to sign up as patrons. Yep. Get spoon of the wheat cards. We'll get spoon of the wheat cards. All right, there we go. Yeah. All right. We're on a, we're on a very niche drive here, if a new patron's called Wesley. When you're Wesley, I just feel like we need to build our Wesley support. Let's go. That's going to be our core that we build everything else around. It's going to be like that. Because the good thing is, if we get up, let's say we get to 10, right? Let's say we get to 10, then we can survey them for the pronunciation, and I feel like we get a definitive answer. If we get a hundred of them, that'd be even better. I mean, that would be amazing. If we got a hundred Wesley's, I think like, then, then they would all come. It would become like, like a meeting place for Wesley's. Like a tipping point. But suddenly, we could just abandon all of the listeners

17:21and just cater to Wesley's. They'll send, they'll send word out on the Wesley wireless. It just goes that around. Can you imagine? The Wesley WhatsApp. Can you imagine meeting your friends like at the pub and saying, oh, yeah, I do this podcast with my my old school friend from Australia. Oh, really? What's it about? Well, we just basically talk to people called Wesley and like all their audience are Wesley's. And like, it's kind of, it's just kind of, that's just what we do. Oh yeah, that sounds good. Nice. What if WhatsApp organized it so that everyone with the same name was on the same WhatsApp channel just to chat to one another, like tribes? So there was literally like a Wesley WhatsApp channel, and they just talked. Oh, Wesley's just connected. I mean, I'm sure they are psychologically, but you know. What are we gonna do if people are existing patrons change their name to Wesley? Oh, like does that make them eligible for cards? I think, well, then there will need to be, firstly, no, that doesn't. Right. No, you have to be an authentic Wesley. And yeah, it's birth.

18:22I think they'll be, I think the other Wesley's will sniff them out and bring them forward as traders. Yeah. I mean, it could be legitimate. Like if you identify as a Wesley, then, if it's a life choice, right? Yeah. Yeah. But it's gonna be legit. I don't want people just doing it for the free cards. Apart from your name, if you change and become a Wesley, what else in your life changes? Like what are some hallmarks of Wesley's? Like if I was thinking, oh, well, I'm gonna now be Wesley. I feel like I'd like to, I need to dress like I remember where's dressing and having the hair a certain way. You know what I mean? Like I think there's a distinctive where'sness that we're gonna have to get to the essence of and find out. It's funny that you have imprinted with the name Wesley being super cool, because I wouldn't have thought of Wesley as a super cool name, a super, you know, I don't think, you know, the one I met in New York was a top-look. Yeah. But it's never a name that I've thought of as like, oh, yeah, if you're called Wesley, you're cool. But you have, and I find that really interesting that it's like, that's your imprint. Yeah, yeah, it's like Jason for you, you know,

19:23that kind of, I don't know where you got that from, but you always thought. I never knew a Jason. I never knew a Jason who I thought was cool. You just like the name. I just like the sound of the name. I like to the Jay. I like to the, I just like the, I just like here, the sound of the name Jason. I think the name that I would think of as cool from childhood would probably be Simon. Simon? There was a Simon in my prime. Oh, no. And he was the guy that everyone wanted to be. He was my, he was my Wesley. Simon? Oh, no, I don't see that at all. He was a really fast runner, and that was really important, you know? Right. I don't think Simon, there weren't many Simon's in Tarelgan. They wouldn't have survived there. Oh, there were loads of Simon's. I had, I had Simon's all around me going through school. He was a really common name. Right, right. I can't picture one's Simon. That Simon, for me, is someone with glasses, you know, in a library, sort of being, it's all neat, that kind of person. No, Simon was, it's funny, you know, because I think of Simon as cool. Like he was the guy at school, that all the girls fancied and everything, and you know, I was just very envious of him.

20:25Yeah. I remember later on, when I first moved to the UK, my first housemate was called Simon. He was just, he was just a guy I lived with, me a nice guy. And I had some American friends come and visit me on a holiday. And I said, I will come back to my place, and I'll introduce you to my housemate, Simon. And as soon as I said that, they both just burst out laughing. And I said, what's so funny? Like, why is that funny? And they said to them, the name Simon was such a cliched English name, that to actually meet someone called Simon it was hilarious. I guess it'd be like if you were in Australia and I said, oh, this is my mate Bruce. Yeah. You'd laugh and think, oh, wow, there was this Australian called Bruce. They would lay with like that with Simon. They couldn't stop laughing, like involuntarily, because I was introducing them to a guy called Simon. So there you go. Classic. Wow, this is cool. Okay, we're gonna really hit upon a network here, I think. All right. To find the essence of where's, cool. Operation Wesley. BELL RINGS Ideas for a podcast, who's going first? If you've got one, like, I've got a bit of a process

21:27of discernment with mine. Well, now I've said that. I may as well launch into it, right? I've, I've, okay. You go. I've gone, you know, we keep out our lists on our notes app on the, on the phone. And for some reason, my notes have gone a bit skew if and more recent notes have disappeared. And the most recent list of podcast ideas on my notes is from 2018. So, basically, I found one here with, oh, what's it got? It's got like a dozen ideas, a bunch of which we've done from 2018 and the rest aren't very good. But I'm going to try and choose one. Or do you want me to list through them and you tell them, tell me which one I should do? No, it's not for me to choose, but I'm curious to get a little, a little taste. Okay, so, so the one I'm thinking of going with, actually, I'll start at the bottom, lie detector, which we did, we finally did that last time. Recently, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ridiculous merchandise.

22:28So, small trivial tokens, Sonny Adada, for some reason I've mentioned the band, I know why, because I picked up their coat bottle at their concert at the beach. I can't, I was a kid, I think. I mean, I think we've cornered the market for Ridiculous merchandise as a podcast. That's right. Yes, you've basically made that your vocation. That's right. Inside buildings, so Royal Albert Hall. So, this must have been, you know, when I came over and we went through the Royal Albert Hall together and had a look around, my favorite things, world record podcast. I've got something here that just says, time. Nice. I've got, I've got, maybe I was just marking time. Literally. Michael Bolton, we ended up doing some stuff on Michael Bolton. Yeah. I'm here along obedience in the same direction, which is a book by Eugene Peterson that Bono loves and that I love that's on my shelf here. And then here's the one, the last one that I think I'll go with,

23:30but I'm just can't remember if we did it. And it's words I hate, words I hate. And then I've got one, two, three, four, five words here that I hate. Oh, that's interesting, because obviously I did an idea reasonably recently, which was the wrong word. Yeah. Or words I thought were wrong. But have we done words I hate? Well, this is a no. Did we do it when we did one about like, because a lot of people don't like the word moist and... Oh, yeah. I think we discussed that, I can't remember. Let me look at the spreadsheet. Of course you didn't check the spreadsheet, did you? No. No, of course you didn't. Uh, let me see. These are really words actually coming. One of them is a word, but most of them are a term, you know, like they're two words together, some of them with a hyphen, some of them without. Let me just have a little search of the spreadsheet that is kept for us by the owl. You search words and all the words? Yeah. They get 44 results, because we've done so many secret words

24:31that comes up all the time in the notes. Look, I don't know. Even if we've done it before, who cares? A lot of people listening are probably new to the podcast anyway. Talk to me about your idea, Matt. Oh, I think I can figure out what this idea is kind of. Well, it is. It's five words that I hear in day-to-day life that I can't stand or terms, really. Frazier. So it's not because they're like ugly words or words you don't have the sound of. It's more, okay, you just don't like the way they're used. Okay, go on then. Yeah, that's right. That's right. This one I think I have mentioned before in conversation, if not otherwise. And that's the term, the word man cave. I hate the word man. You have to. Yes. So we'll move on. I love Nick Cave. I can't stand man cave. Yeah. Okay, okay. Next one, lean in. Okay. People talk about this concept of how they're engaging with a particular conversation. Or if you're a person, you need to lean into this issue. You're leaning in the context of doubling down as well.

25:34Like, I'm really going to, everyone thinks I like playing Cresher, so I'm going to lean into it and start playing Cresher Collector Cards. That's right. Oh, it's people. Make a note of that, playing Cresher Collector Cards. Okay. Yep. What was that? Yeah, come on people, lean in is over. Okay, next one, over. I can't stand it. People say something is over. Okay. Okay. Next word, over. I can't stand it when people say over. Over is it over or I'm over it? Yeah, yeah, it's over. That thing is over. Like, hello, over. Takeaways. Takeaways. Not takeaway food, but hey, people, what are the takeaways from this meeting that we need to action? It sounds like a lot of these corporate speak type things, which we have obviously talked about before and now when we wrote our mission statement, but yeah. Yeah. But they appear in, I think probably the problem is that a lot of these things that are for, like,

26:34LinkedIn profiles and words and phrases and posts, they're in normal life now. They get used around the church, around the house, around, you know, ordinary conversation. Yeah. I mean, I, the other day, I saw a fish and chip shop with takeaways over the top. I mean, that's just taking it too far. They're really, they're really leaning in those guys. And the last one is in this space. Like, man, I can't tell you. I can't tell you any times I'm in a meeting and someone will go, well, you know, you need three or four people to do some work in this space. Yeah. Not on this topic or in this field of inquiry or, you know what I mean, it's in this space. And yeah, yeah, I'm done with that. I can't stand it. It is a burn. Yeah. I do feel there more corporate ones. Like they feel more like terms you would hear in a more of a work environment, which doesn't mean you're not allowed to dislike them. They're good, they're good examples. But I can't imagine like you having a coffee

27:35with someone after church and some 70 year old lady saying, you know, I want to see us doing more in the charity space, you know, in the charity space. Well, you do hear, well, I may be having coffee with someone who's 35 and they do say that. Or like it does. Would they in a non-work context? Probably not in a non-work context. But it kind of blurs when you're in a church or in a volunteer world, church-based world, you know what I mean? Like the corporate blurs because you've got teams and organization and things happening all the time in projects and so there's a little bit of blurring of those worlds that come together or certainly they do for me. But fair enough, fair enough. I think that's probably that it's the permeation of organizational culture in and language and frameworks, even words like frameworks. Framework, definitely. Into the rest of life, which should be poetry man, it should be poetry. I've talked about, one I've talked about in the past, a word that I don't like and it is the workspace

28:36but it definitely has permeated is content. I don't like it when I know it and you can't avoid it and I even sometimes use it myself now because it has just become the word. But like when what I make, you know, my videos, podcasts, whatever it is I happen to make is just referred to as content. I feel like it just means it's like, it becomes like inventory. It just becomes something that is sitting on a shelf. That exists to make money or be sold or have advertising sold against it or just to like, you know, I don't know, it just feels yucky calling it content. It just feels like it's soulless and it's just something I'm churning out like sausages. Oh yes, I've made some content this week. No, I didn't, I spoke to my great mate and we joked around and then I learnt something really amazing about mathematics and numbers and I created a film about it to share it with the world. I don't know that sounds self-important but and perhaps wrongly so.

29:37But then just labeling that, yeah, that's content that I made this week. It pisses me off. I'll tell you, no producer, like went into the studio with Bob Dylan and said, you know, how many songs you got and he's going, well, I've got six and he goes, well, we need more content than that mate. Like four more contents, you know, like it's just, well, maybe they did. Maybe the record company was like that and probably was like that, but it just, it's become such a common thing now, you know, and people, you know, people like me are called content creators. The creators bit is good. The content is, it's content's just something put in a jar. Even creators I find a little bit jarring like, and that is what people who do my job are called generically. Like if we go to a YouTube conference, you know, I'm one of the creators. Yeah. But I don't like that term either. It reminds me a little bit. It's like calling people who appear on screen or on microphone the talent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like that. And I think being called, being called a creator is a bit like being called the talent.

30:37And I don't, you know, it's jazz with me. It's objectifying, that's what it is. It's like, oh, you're a thing to be used in this moment and then moved aside. It's kind of, yeah. I think because also Spotify has that Spotify for creators and it's just, it's turning it into something that's just being churned out. Yeah. Creatives is a different word. Like, do you see yourself as a creator? I don't like that either. I don't like creatives either. And that's used a lot more in the advertising industry. Oh, yeah, it does get that. Different to differentiate between people who create the content and people who are like, you know, making the money and doing the deals and stuff. But yeah, a lot of that stuff I don't like. I also don't like the term broadcaster when someone just describes himself as a broadcaster. Because basic, that just means, yeah, I'll do anything as long as I can be on TV or radio or have my stuff being put out there. Like, I don't know, I don't like that term either. I do like, I prefer the name broadcaster because it feels other old-worldly. Like, I can just imagine, you know,

31:38a gentleman with, you know, spectacles and a suit and so forth who comes on and says, well, you know, good evening, Britain. This is a, you know, who's Churchill died today, you know, like, his old-fashioned kind of. It does come, because it's an older term, it does carry a little bit of that gravitas with it. It just kind of rubs me up the wrong way. And I'm just a grumpy old man, so just ignore me. Oh, grumpy old man, I think, is being corporatized as well, man. It's just because I've been used everywhere and not everyone's a grumpy old man. You're a grumpy old man in a particular way. Yeah. Shouldn't be commodified. Oh, and here's another one. Speaking of terms, you don't like that get overused. Dad bored? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that whole, yeah. I just feel objectified by that, too. It's just lazy. It's just lazy, all these terms. The thing we don't like about them is they're lazy, because they get overused. And terms can get overused so much more now, because there's so much more content being created. So we're here with them. There is, that's right. Any more words? Yeah, yeah. Funnily enough, I think newspapers pump out a lot of this,

32:39don't they? It was sub-edited, and there's a lot of them ahead lines. And that's shorthand, you know, colloquialism, creating new colloquialisms that just get overused and become cliches. Yeah. Yeah. That's high. All right. If anything, people lean out, lean out from these words. Yeah. Tell us words and terms you do not like. Get in touch with us in all the usual ways. Email, Reddit, all that stuff. And tell us something that you don't like, and maybe we'll share some. If you share enough with us, we'll do a little recap next episode, maybe. We love hearing your stuff, because you always come up with better ideas than we do. So in terms of a podcast idea, right? I mean, this podcast would be different people coming on with maybe five words that they can't stand and why. It's a brief little podcast, isn't it? Man, you don't even have to explain the podcast. This was just an excuse for us to winge about words we don't like. No, no. It's, I know, I think I'm going to make this podcast. Okay. This is going to be a podcast I make. I look forward to hearing it. Well, I think things I hate is certainly got traction.

33:40Who doesn't like going on about things like that? Oh, okay. I've got a couple of, I've got a couple of podcast ideas that I've got a few lists to share with you of things that annoy me, that aren't words, they're just other things. But they come under different umbrellas. But I'm saving them for another day. I've got a few things. I've got, I've got stuff to get off my chest, man. Don't you worry? Well, can I say one? Because it's been on my mind and I'll forget it otherwise. And if I put it on my notes app, it will just disappear into the ether. Okay. All right, go. So this is just you winging about something. This is not a word. This is just me winging. This is nothing to do with anything. Go on. Quick winch, go on. I love walking the dog. Brooklyn and I go for a walk. Things I hate, the short conversation I'm obliged to have with other people have a nut who have a dog walking in the opposite direction when our dogs have a little chat. I would have thought you'd like that. You're a social guy. Ah, yeah. But not all the time. Like I can't, generally I've got a song or something on in my, see if you like, you have to, yeah, and I sort of try and get Brooklyn.

34:42No, keep going, just keep going. But if there's like a smile stop chat, of course I will. I guess do you know what it is though? I've been thinking about it for the rest of the walk yesterday. It's that I feel like the other person has, feels a right to know something about me and the dog. Like, what is his age? Who is he? Oh, do you do this? Does this happen? And they feel like they always come in with a tone of being a more experienced dog person. As if I'm here for the dog thing, rather than just a walk, you know what I mean, like? You've obviously forgotten what it was like to be the parent of a three year old. Let's see. That's my whole life. That's right. All I do is sit and talk to people. They don't know at like tennis lessons and things like that, but that gets you through it. I tell you what though, you've hit on an idea for a podcast here, annoying interruptions. Oh, yeah. I'll tell you podcast ads are an obvious one, but let's not, let's be careful about throwing stones. Another, but another annoying interruption that I don't like, particularly when I'm wearing headphones,

35:44public announcements on planes. Yes. Yes, totally. Take it easy. You know, this is me at the flight deck and, you know, I don't really need to hear from you at the flight deck. Really? No. Maybe to remind me how long the flight is, but that's about it. But I can look that upon a screen. But more annoying is when they then sell stuff. We're going to come down the aisle with the duty free now. It's like, oh, no. Just let's dial back announcements on planes. Dial them right back. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah, particularly how casual the pilot is. Well, like we're settling down with a drink together for a chat, if it's sad. Yeah, you know, yeah. We're cruising speed of it. And I'm now looking up from my thing, waiting for you to finish, so I take my headphones out because I think it's something important, like, you know, we've been delayed or something. Yeah. If it's like, they should, they should only be allowed to use those things if it's really important. Yeah. That's right. I'm sure there's been some testing down on psychology about calming passengers,

36:46and it's good to hear from the pilot, but knowing a person's there and all that kind of stuff, that's right. But it's more annoying because the pilot does this thing or her thing. And that's okay. I'm your pilot, you know, and, you know, I'm Mr. Cool and Swav, and then they like, so I won't speak to you again until we get to the other end. I'm like, oh, thank God for that. And they like, click off. And then two seconds later, the flight attendant follows up saying, and I'm the head of the cabin crew here. And this is like, oh, another one, another message. Come on. And if they've got a dog, and this is my little dog, and what's your little dog, and what's its name? And he's going down the aisle now to meet your dog, and we're going to chat and how old is he? And particularly when my dog jumps up, and so they're like, oh, how old? Like, he's a little kid. And it's like, oh, no, he's like five. And they always look like, oh, oh, hello. obedience issues there. Clearly not, you know, and they've got that kind of, because dog like cats are arrogant and cynical, but dog owners are arrogant. They always know best. This is what you should say, man.

37:47You should have said, look, if I wanted an obedient, sane dog that behaved itself, I would not have bought this breed. Well, that's what it sounds like. I deliberately did what I was to. That was me, but that was me being rude. I feel like we need to, your idea better balance up some positive stuff, man, because you've led me down a very negative path here. I think mine is not negative. I think you will like it. It is not negative and winging. Mine is interesting. But first of all, let us have a little interlude. Now I've prepared a moon of the week this week. Yes. Tim has brought a spoon along for a spoon of the week. And I said, well, can I do a moon? And then Tim's like, well, I have got a spoon. And like, I don't know, Tim suggested we toss a coin to decide whether we do a spoon of the week or a moon of the week. We can do that, we can do that. I'm trying to think if we could do both and somehow retrospectively only include one, but we can't do that, can we? Oh, the other one could be for Patreon supporters,

38:50bonus content. OK, OK, so one of them's here and the other one goes over there. Yeah. OK. Because we've got to keep the Wesley sweet over it, Patreon. Some Wesley sweet. What? The only trouble if it's the moon of the week that goes as bonus content, we may lose Patreon supporters, maybe. OK. All right. OK, well, let's toss a coin to see which one goes on the main show and which one goes on the thing. Would you believe I haven't got a coin? I can flip. I tell you, I tell you, why don't you flip one of the Tim hind or Brady Harron medals? Heads or tails on one of those? Have you got all right? All right. Yeah, I'll go and get one. All right. I've got one here, but you use yours if it's right there. Got to use these medals for something, don't we? OK. I've got a Tim hind medal. Yep. That's a head. Your head. Yes. And the tail, the tail is the unmade podcast logo,

39:50another little area where names get engraved. Yep. OK. Yeah, that's logical. Yep. And what we call it, if it's your head, if it's the Tim hind head, I guess we do the spoon of the week, because that's your thing. Yeah, yeah. And if it's an episode, I'm going to catch it and then flip it onto the back of my hand. That's the technique I'm going to use. Even though my head looks more like a moon, that's the spoon one. That's right. Here we go. I'm going to catch it and then flip it onto the back of my hand. I'm doing it on camera. So it's a little bit of a symbol. Yep. The back of my hand, it is, it's your head. It's Tim's head. It's my head. There we go. Spoon of the week. This is a spoon from the now recently closed restaurant, the cookoo in Olinda, in the hills, the foothills around Melbourne. This is a German restaurant, a very sort of distinctive, you know, ye oldie German restaurant.

40:52This is a German restaurant. A very sort of distinctive, you know, ye oldie German restaurant called the cookoo. And it was kind of legendary in our family, because mum and dad came across it by mistake. They were driving home from some wedding or event or something in Melbourne. And I wasn't with them, but they stopped in for dinner at this place and walked in and for dad, it was like, oh my goodness, you know, it was just so European, you know, with like German stuff everywhere. You can just picture it, you know, the brown beams. And of course your dad being dutch has an affinity for such things. That's right. But leaning towards Berlin, as we've talked about before, and he was just a wonderful place with German food and snitzels and beer and all that kind of stuff. Love a snitzel, love a sausage. So they love this place called the cookoo. And I remember they got a photo at their desk, at their table sitting there enjoying their meal.

41:54And that ended up in a little frame sitting on my organ. So my memory of childhood practicing the organ every night and every morning is looking at, you know, the music book and right next to the music book is mum and dad at the cookoo. Like, that was just there for years and years and years and I can see it now in my mind's eye. And the restaurant was sufficiently iconic that it had its own spoons. Yeah, yeah, it was like a tourist attraction. A bit like going to hand off in Adelaide, right? Yeah, yeah. It's just like, oh, let's go to the cookoo. And it's quite a large place, like quite a large big beer barn sort of place. Like a beer hall almost, like those beer halls in Germany. Yeah, yeah. But it's much more about the food here than being a pub. Yeah, it was really about, really, as a restaurant. And I went there several times and took mum and dad again, you know, with my wife and that kind of stuff when they visited Melbourne and that was like, oh, my goodness, yes, we remember here. And my mum, of course, do you remember Tim that we came here when I was, yeah.

42:54And I was like, yes, mum, I wasn't with you, but remember the photo when it's all there. Yeah, yeah. So, have you still got the photo? Mum would. It would be in one of her, um, I'll try to protect the photo album and so forth. Let's get it. Let's get it. Let's get it if we can. She loves nothing more than a text from Brady saying, can you look through the photo albums and find this for me? Like, she loves that. I like to think if they're just waiting by the window for the bat signal and that text from Brady so she can look up more photos. That's right, that's right. Then she texts me. Brady's asked me to do this thing. Why did it close down? What happened? Why is it closed? I guess maybe the owner went broke and the family sold it or lost money. I don't know. It does feel like a kind of another worldy kind of place that's not around as much anymore. But I quite like coming though to the spoon. Right. The spoon's really beautiful. It's like quite ornate, Germanic. It is an older spoon I can tell. I can't quite make out the insignia on the back, but it doesn't look local. Like it looks like he's got these from Europe or something

43:55somewhere. Yeah. It's quite faded and I'm, it's got a colored picture of, if you can close your mind's eye and imagine like a German building. You know what I mean? With the sort of the chewed white with the brown beams and the fetched kind of roof with some trees around it. You know, it's got that whole look. Can you close your mind's eye? Hmm. Can I say close your mind's eye? I know. Okay, let me, let me, let me wind that back and say close your eyes and open your mind's eye. That's right. Okay. Yeah. So most of the, most of the time I've got my eyes open and my mind's eye closed. All right. It's a beautiful spoon. It's a great spoon and I can see it one day ending up on a spoon of the weak card. For sure. For sure. Well, that's the dream for all spoons to end up on one of those cards. But I don't know if we'll ever be expanding the collection again. We probably will. We probably will. We will.

44:55There we go. Let's move on. We will do moon of the week over as bonus content for Patreon supporters. But six Patreon supporters right now are about to receive some spoon of the week collector cards. I have got a marble race set up in the other room. I've done the races. They're all done. So there will be winners coming from that. But I haven't finished it in time. So I've gone back to the old computer algorithm to choose six winners. Mmm. These six people are going to get spoon of the week collector cards in the post. The first three were chosen using a weighted algorithm, which favors longer term and more generous supporters and things like that. But everyone's in the running. And those winners are Gordon from Toronto. What a name Gordon. That's a very formal name, isn't it? Gordon's done well lately. I've seen his name pop up a few times for prizes and things. So Patreon's treating him well. Sting's name's Gordon, you know. That's Sting's real name. Yeah. And I'm sure we've discussed it before when his name has come up. It's Gordon Sumner, isn't it? Mmm. Nathan from Washington, DC.

45:55And Evan from California. Evan T from California. West and East Coast represent. Yeah, yeah. All North American. And these three winners are chosen totally at random, regardless of level of support. Everyone's equal chance. Stefan from the Netherlands. Stefan R. In case we've got multiple supporters in the Netherlands. Erica from Somerset in New Jersey. I was just in New Jersey last week. Hello, Erica. And Tor from Trondheim in Norway. You are also going to receive cards in the post. Congratulations. Gordon, Nathan, Evan, Stefan, Erica and Tor. And thank you for being Patreon supporters. Legends. No Wesley's this week. No Wesley's. That will change in the future. Yeah. These will all be going to Wesley's. I wonder how many Wesley's there are in the whole world? Let's ask. I want to know that. Let's ask the evil, evil AI. Do you reckon we can trust how many people called Wesley?

46:55Of course we can't. But I'll be interested to hear what it says in the world. How many people in the world have the first name Wesley? What's your guess? What do you think chat is going to say? Okay. So let's think. There was one kid in my primary school class. Yeah. Okay. We've got three Patreon supporters. So that's four. No. Two. Two is four. Okay. So we're on three here. There was who are alive now or in history, man? What are you reckon? Well, it says here. There isn't a single exact count for the whole world. But we can estimate using available name distribution databases. It says here, data compiled from the international name records suggest there are roughly 400 to 500,000 people in the world with the first name Wesley. I was going to guess about 100,000. A million feels too much. But yeah, half a million. Well, that's incredible. Let's talk about my idea for a podcast. Go for it, man. When I emailed the now famous Wesley right, and I said, I'm in New York.

47:57Do you want to come and meet and get some cars? He said yes, right? Right. But then he sent me an email saying, I'm hoping this is Brady and not a horrible scam, by the way. And I, which is a fair point. Yeah. And I replied to him. I said, it is indeed Brady. You raise a good point though. If you could ask me one question to prove I am me via email, what would it be? It has to be text and I'm not going to send any photos. So I put the owner on him to ask me a question, right? Right. Yeah. So he replied, OK. What do you think of Tommy Bull not being in the Winter Olympics? Right. That was his, that was how he tested me. I replied and I said, that is a ridiculous suggestion. At best, I think the Olympics should be the half-time entertainment at Tommy Bull Games. Right. Yes. Very amusing. There's two sides to that. One is, OK, that probably confirms it's you, Brady. But I do feel like, I feel like AI may have come up with that answer. I feel like that something may be, maybe he decided not.

49:00We are coming to my idea for a podcast, man. OK. This is where my idea for a podcast is coming from. OK. For him, that was enough. He said only Brady would reply like that. Yeah. He came and he met me. My idea for a podcast is called, is it really you? And the idea is to create these scenarios where you have to guess whether a person you can't see who can only reply via text is the person they say they are. Very good. Now, Tim, I don't know if you've probably heard of something called a Turing test. A lot of people will have heard of a Turing test. I have heard of the Turing test, but I can't remember what it is now. It was proposed by Alan Turing. A computer system or a computer has truly become intelligent where having a text conversation with it, you couldn't discern if it was a human or a computer. Right. And this is kind of what you touched on with AI. So, you know, if you're just text writing to something at the other end, can you tell if it's a human or not? My podcast idea was a little bit like that, but not the idea is to have a guest and someone the guest knows and they have to figure out whether, you know,

50:02by asking questions and having the replies only in text form. So, say I said to you, Tim, I've got your mum on the other end of the phone or your mum's here with me. Or is she? Is it just me being clever? Have I got an AI that I said answer a bunch of questions like, you know, the mother of this person and, you know, fed it some information and that. So, the idea is you have to then figure it out and you have to ask questions to figure it out. And I think you would have to have some rules. Yeah. At least for the start of this game or podcast, for example, you couldn't just ask it obscure factual stuff that can't be found on the internet. Like, obviously you could say, what was the first street we lived in? You know, and that probably doesn't exist on the internet anywhere. So, you could straight away figure it out doing that. So, I think we have to include those kind of factual questions. They have to be general, very general questions. And you could put rules on it, but I think this would be a fun listen. There's obviously going to be a bit of a lag with the putting of the question

51:04and getting the answer because either has to be put to your mum or has to be put to the AI or I have to have time to make up the answer. But we could get around that with editing and if you clever tricks and things like that. But if we did this, I think this could be an interesting listen. So, clarify for me. I thought the whole point of the cheering test is to be specific, but you're saying you can't be too specific because it'll be too easy. So, what's a general question then? Say you asked the person at the other end here, how do you feel about sunny days and beautiful weather? Right. And then I put a reply to you and used to say, is that my mum? Is that my mum saying that? Or is that like, I would, you'd hear the reply in text form. Yeah. Is that how my mum would say it? Or is that someone impersonating my mum? And in many ways, I think, you know, someone like me who knows you and my mum might do a better job than the AI. I wouldn't necessarily use AI. So, I'm not proposing necessarily cheering tests. Okay, okay. But I just think it would be fun. I think it would be fun. This cadence, right? The right word? What's the right word?

52:04Oh, would she have said it that way? Would she have phrased it that way? Yeah, vocabulary, vocabulary. Which words she chose? Yeah, okay. Yeah, vocabulary is a, yeah, yeah. So I think that would be often be a giveaway. But also just attitudes to things. What do you think of the Prime Minister? Right. Sure. Yeah. So what she says, yeah, does that ring through? Yeah. Yeah. There would have to be certain rules, though. Because, for example, if you, well, I guess, you know, if you knew for a fact that your mum went to school with the Prime Minister and didn't like him, you could circumvent my test. Couldn't you really easily? Because the answer was something that, you know, no one knew except you and her. So we have to have some rules like that. But I think as the game goes along, you can start getting more specific. Would it work better if the person wasn't as close as your mother? Yes. It probably would. Maybe even someone you don't know personally. Like Tim, just out of shot right now,

53:06there's either no one or there's Tom Hanks. Right. Ask me 10 questions. And let's see, you know, you're right. That would actually be more fun in many ways. Yeah. I think the thing that makes it fun, if it's your mum or a good friend, is as the game goes along, you can start asking really funny specific questions. Like, you know, what happened in the toilet when I was five years old and ate too many baked beans and stuff like that? You could start getting funnier as it went along. But you're right. Having it as a total stranger from the start could also be quite compelling. It's a way of finding, because you're kind of joining with the audience as they're trying to work it out as well. You don't have special knowledge. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, yes, that's true. That's true. Yeah. What kind of questions are you going to ask Tom Hanks to figure it out if it's really him? Because you don't know him. You don't know personal information about him that's not available to everyone else on the internet. I'm trying to... This is a pretty good idea, because I think I've not watched this show, but I understand how it works. This is kind of like a text version or a prose version of the mask singer.

54:08Do you know that reality show, the mask center? I do. Yeah. I do know it. And this is kind of like that. You're trying to get out, but not through their singing voice, through their actual answers, without listening to their voice. This is a different way of coming at that, actually, and finding your way in. This could really work. I think this is an interesting idea. It could work. It could be fun. It could be fun. If you were texting right now and you suddenly on your phone and you suddenly thought, hang on, there's someone stolen Brady's phone. I'm not sure this is Brady. What's something you would ask to find out if it was me? What was our nickname for your sneakers in 1994? You'd have to hope it wasn't stuff we talked about on the podcast. There's a lot out there. Anything else? Are you going to tell people what that is? People are going to be angry. I had a pair of feeler brand sneakers

55:09that were quite large. I really liked them. Tim thought they were a bit oversized. He called them the moon boots. I just remember us camping and you calling up way up a hill somewhere I was near the gate to get out of this paddock with a car and I just remember you calling up loud. Am I moon boots in the car? Just thinking what a great sentence that is. Something that buzz Aldrin. Am I moon boots in the shuttle? That's right. That's great. That would be one. How was your magic card trick done? It could be an opportunity to extract some answers that I really want. But you need to nail it down as me. I need to verify. That's right.

56:09That's going to help you. There are things about school friends that you could go into more specifically that we haven't gone into. I was thinking one I could ask you. Do you want one for me to ask you? This is funny, actually, because my question was going to be which girl were you falling around with in the car park at Magic Mountain when the police knocked on the window and told you to knock it off? I don't remember the police coming. But I can't remember which girl I was. I've known her down to two but I can't remember. I can remember the girl I was kissing but I do not remember the police coming. Did that happen? Did they come and knock? Oh, I think so. Oh, that's coming back, sir. Oh, that's... Oh, golly, golly. That's triggering. Well, that one's... I wonder what the computer would answer to that. But this is why it can't be factual things there. Just to let people know Magic Mountain

57:10was just like a family fun area. It's not like... Okay. Well, it wasn't a family fun that night. Oh, dear. You're going to have to decide how much I had at that. Is that a name? Yes, it was. That's who I thought it was. I wasn't sure if it was her or... No, no. There were not that many girls for goodness sake. Well, that's only two. The police had a tail on you. That's right. You're a serious kid. Oh, dear. I don't remember the police coming, but that does ring a bell. Anyway, sorry. Maybe I got that wrong. Not a knife. Yeah. All right. Well, anyway. That's definitely Tim then. I've confirmed that. You're definitely the... Even though the video is quite blurry

58:10because of the poor internet connection, I'm sure it's you. Oh, good stuff. Nice idea. I think this has real promise. As a clever kind of... Like a BBC weekly quiz. Now it's time for our sort of... I think it could really work with that kind of podcast radio regular show. But you can see because of the two things we've talked about here. There is something funnier about it when it's two friends who have these really specific news stories. There is something quite funny about it. Like rather than it being like a stranger and is the stranger really here? There is something funny about these skewer questions because sometimes you can't remember the answer. That's funny as well. Yeah, that's right. And you remember things differently. I'm trying to think about whether you could have that as a wild card kind of personal question. But if they're at the end, you know, like is that's like the...

59:12But something only you guys would both know. I think the rules would have to change as the quiz goes on. Like the first three questions can't involve names or places or something like that. You have different categories as you go along. I haven't quite nutted it out yet, but there's something there. There's something there. And what's a call, man? What did I say? Is it really you? Okay. That's not the best name. No. That needs some work. You could call it the imitation game, like because that's about chewing, and it's kind of like, is this person really there more imitating? So... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not bad. Not bad. Shall we move on? Shall we move on to... Record other things, request room and bonus content for patrons. Let's head to... We've been gone a while now. The Wesley suite for the request room. The Wesley suite. The Wesley suite. Yeah. With all our Wesley. The Wequest room with Wesley. The Wequest room. Wequest room with Wesley. Nice, love it. Let's do it. Let's go there. Come along people.

1:00:12If you're a Patreon supporter or become one, and you can come in this until all the other rabbling on. If this has not been enough. Maybe we'll go a little bit deeper into that Car Park story, who knows. And of course, there is a moon of the week. Coming as well. There is a moon of the week. There is a moon of the week over at Patreon as well. Waiting for you there, Wesley.