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0:00I'm not giving up, I'm not giving up, I'm not giving up, I'm not yet, even when I'm down on my list, man, even when they say there's nothing left, so don't The 11 o'clock hour pool, the attack begins now, and it begins with a feel good Monday story, not feel good Friday We have feel good Friday on Friday, but this is from WISC TV news three now in Madison. I don't know if you saw this old boy, but overnight There was a Madison mom Who went into labor during the blizzard Madison fire department medic 11 and engine 11 from the fire department were dispatched to her house She was an active labor and so I don't know if big Linda was the driver of said plow

1:07But the Madison streets division sent a plow much like we were trying to get texts with his Jeep for hunter to get home and Paved the way quite literally To get her to the hospital to give birth Now that is a feel good story The snow plow driver making a huge difference Madison fire department expressing his drivers and at some point, I'm sure they're grinding out there right now I don't know when the snow is going to stop, but Always appreciate what those cats do, man. It's not easy work and kudos to him Jason, what What it what what What does the last couple of weeks and I know the free agency signing things if kind of ended What are the last couple of weeks tell you about what goody thinks about this team because I just saw Zaire Franklin Got more money

2:09I think he's probably going to be around for two years And they also they're signing old players I wasn't here when the Hargraves announcement happened But what does this tell you About where goody sees this football team Why is he doing it? Why is he changed his tune if you will? Okay, well first of all I think we have to be a little bit careful because there are basically two examples Which is two more than had previously bet on the other side of the line of demarcation But to your point this was something The free agency though that's prioritizing that's prioritizing This was something that we Discussed while you were down at the big 10 tournament extensively a couple things First of all they have holes that they need to fill And they wanted to fill them without breaking the bank to do so And Hargrave

3:10Feels like a special case both of these guys have history with Jonathan Franklin or Jonathan Franklin Jonathan Ganon Zair Franklin Was with him in Indy And obviously Hargrave was with him and Philly So there is some connectivity there so I wonder how much of their Experience with Jonathan Ganon factors in to Them being here Secondly, I'm not willing to call it a trend yet. I'm willing to call it exceptions because if we see now in the inexpensive Part two of the free agency market that they do more of these Then I'm willing to discuss the possibility that Goody is Abandoned his mentality and there's going to be a bunch of 30 somethings on this roster You're right. These are two outlier players Benjamin St. Juice

4:12Is 29 I think Uh another person you can put in this category because I've given him 43 million dollars Over the 12 months that they've had him Is Aaron Banks right because you cut him after this year and the dead cap is going to be really pricey So he's basically here for this year and next year most likely he will be over 30 for next season in 2027 He will turn 29 On September 3rd. So I'm not willing to go so far as to say that Goody has chucked his mentality when it comes to how he builds a roster, but he's made two exceptions at positions of need So You said this last week and I thought it was really good. I thought it should have been sound graphed and clipped The draft and replace Thought that was a real because it is not draft and develop if you're only keeping one on average 1.4 guys

5:13From each draft class so If the new trend is We're going to sign one or maybe two guys from draft classes pay them the money that is owed Which is going to be top of the market more than likely if you end up signing guys And then the new thing is we're going to Draft the replacement but allow for some growth By having veterans that are ready to win now That seems to be at least for this offseason And you know how things go if it works you keep doing it if it doesn't you Reverked and you do something different That feels like where Goody's head's at And if he does more like guys he did not was not going to pay He was well These are two guys you're bringing in you're not going to have these guys aren't going to be wallflowers I don't know if they're going to start Think Franklin will

6:14I would think um hard case probably if he doesn't start it's going to get a lot of work You're not bringing guys in to be you know bit players these guys are going to be they're counting on cotton being big contributors To what is a championship team and Goody in the past headtops and would have just Drafted he would have probably signed quay But he would have drafted young guys and hoped by november december You'd coach him up and they'd be ready to go Goody is now I think after the finish of the last two seasons I think he is saying we don't have that luxury We saw it with the kicker a couple years ago This team is on a trajectory if you want to win you better have guys in the positions that can help you win now Not this we're going to all grow together We've grown if you can't catch up you're gone And we need somebody that could come in and fill the role to fit what we're looking for

7:16That's what it feels like to me with what we saw Thursday Friday of last week so First of all, I think the zaire franklin signing First of like let's be honest this guy has been a very good player during his career At the same time If tyron hopper in the draft and develop and replace philosophy that has been right you got to let young guys play If I look at that I say Did they not think tyron hoppers ready to be a starting linebacker Because he's a feel like it he's a third round pick And again your expectation with third round picks is that they make up critical pieces of your team And the fact that you traded For zaire franklin would imply like they didn't just sign them and added money to the contract right

8:17And added money to the contract. Well, I it sounds like he ends up with the same amount of money But the way they structure it there's there's Again, they clearly expect him to be a starter now also we still don't know exactly what their defense is going to look like They're going to play some four three. They're going to play some three four Uh, is it edger and cooper and zaire franklin and they're playing the three four. So I's Isaiah McDuffee's the odd man out I don't know Isaiah McDuffee when quay walker wouldn't be available Isaiah McDuffee wore the green dot So is that a factor of who's on the field? Uh, are they going to use Edger and Cooper in a way that they have not previously used him um Quay walker got the Las Vegas and basically made it sound like he should be A much more utilized as a everywhere Play him line him up at the edge

9:17Line him up everywhere kind of a player and he certainly imply that he was not used properly During his time in green bay We'll see Um, I'm not sure the Las Vegas Raiders have a great track record of bringing out the best in players that land there for big money contracts So we'll see But again, I'm not I think he has he certainly has done some things that you say Who are you and what have you done with Brian Gutecansd At the same time Those two sides. Why is he doing that Jason? Why it because you're right. Why Why is he doing what you just said? Why is he going out of character now So part of it has to be that this is what Jonathan Ganon wants in his defense You have a new defensive coordinator who wants people that are a little bit different. It would appear again Not a conversation. I've had with Jonathan Ganon yet Secondly You have to do this

10:19When the draft picks that you want to go through growing pains and come out the other side as productive players have yet to do that right At defensive tackle after trading Colby Wooden After trading Kenny Clark What do they have right now? They have Devonte Wyatt who's not really a run stuffing He's more of a explosive gets to the quarterback interior pass rusher Not a he's a good not great runstopper. Is that a fair Characterization of his game. He's had injuries the last couple years that he's dealt with uh after that it's i mean they were bringing guys in on a weekly basis Trying to fill that void last year because of the injuries But they've gotten a zero stack house. They got uh Warren Brinson They've got Karl Brooks. That's what they have So they needed somebody hardgrave makes perfect sense Again his his contract this year so you think this is more Go ahead two years have what 14 years at 23 million

11:22But again, I think it's it's structured in a way that they're most likely I mean unless he plays extremely well. It's more of a one-year deal with a second-year tacto So do you think this is more a Matter of different scheme or do you think this is more a matter of a different mentality by goody? Yeah, I'm not i'm not willing to say it's a different mentality of goody yet I think he's made some exceptions and as you say If you make too many exceptions and you end up with a team full of exceptions But if if there are more instances of this if they add more guys that get cut by their previous teams And become available that don't factor into the Compensatory pick equation who are in their 30s Then I am willing to say that this is a trend I think they have filled two spots on their roster with veteran players who are over 30 But I think if goody drank some truth serum

12:22Or had a few younglings He would say I don't want to be doing this. I wish we didn't have to do this I would rather not have to go get zaire franklin and sign jivon Hargrave I think that's what he makes it way walker Well that because I don't think he believed quay walker was a good enough player to get the kind of They did try to sign quay walker. Let's not lose sighted. I heard I heard it reported That an offer on the table during the season they tried to sign him after the season ended He wanted more money and he got more money from the raiders So again to be fair He pivoted to trading for zaire franklin when it was finally clear to him that look he's not going to take what we're offering We're moving on Just like Aaron Aaron Jones is not taking our low ball offer We're gonna pivot to Josh Jacobs Goody's good about pivoting Give him credit for that But again if if it had if quay walker takes the money that the packers are offering him

13:24They're not trading for zaire franklin right I would think not no I would think not so I'm not gonna say this is a trend yet Yeah, it's just unique and I just wonder how much of not finishing seasons the last two With young players that didn't develop into what you hoped if the how much of that plays into this or how much of this Is about Jonathan Ganon needing different body types. I don't know the answer to that Uh, you talk to people up there. I don't know What exactly their philosophy is gonna be but I do know they Couldn't be happy that Ravens game would stick in my craw if I was them That can't happen Even though that was an outlier But it just seems so different and out of character For how Brian Gouda comes to his built rosters I don't want to get older As a if I'm building a football team

14:27I don't think Goody does either if this is the end of it are you doing with it If this is the end of it This is the he's adding these two specific 30 something players to fill specific needs and he's not gonna go hog wild on The will-de-jaw manager approach I'm fine with it, but what I'm saying is I think when you believe a certain way and all of a sudden you've been rocked a little bit off of you know Whatever it might be if young guys haven't developed or however you want to look at what is transpired the last two seasons I'm guessing this is more a structural We need different body types, but I don't want to count on 30 and 30 you know 30 and 30 how old is Hargrave's 32 33 33 I just don't want to be in the business of counting on 30 30 and 33 year olds Of giving me 17 weeks and being a good for the playoffs. It's not an area You need so if it is more platoon more rotation

15:30I am great with bringing in some veteran players, but that's how I would look at it. I am not Gudi has never shown an inkling to do that I appreciate that he is willing to change course And to do some different things trying to get different results But it just I find it very unique that the you know and we don't know the offseason just not even a week into this yet There's still a lot of a lot of holes to fill in this roster So you do not think he went out and got these two players because he thinks he is a couple of players away from winning the Super Bowl And he was willing to go against his normal philosophy to get veteran players because they show trying to figure out why he's doing it I don't have the answer Like I'd love to be arrogant enough to say I had the answer to this. I find it very very Intriguing that he's going against now one is one Two is two

16:31You start getting into three and four different guys that that tells me you're having a little bit of a philosophical change Right, I agree. Now you got these guys at good prices I'm not yelling at you. What are you getting mad at me about? I'm trying to sort through in my head by asking a 30-year sports writer what he's hearing and seeing And what I'm trying to find out from you is is Jonathan Ganon want these guys And is that why they're here? Or is this Brian Guterkin saying work to immature on defense? We couldn't pull out of it We couldn't stop the bearer from scoring 25 We need some veteran leadership that can come in and do it That's the question I'm posing. I don't know the answer Know why you're yelling at me. It's not very nice My Point is is that after two players. I don't see a trend It's literally what you just said if it starts being three four five players the conversation changes immensely. Yes That was my point and you agree with it clearly. That's a great point

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18:38More will need to out straight ahead stick around This is will the in-touch presented by Pella windows and doors of Wisconsin called Gina Della from Pella today 855 Pella wi and online at Pella wi.com slash radio You know With the whoa hunter coming up shortly um Touch When we talk about older players One of the reasons why goody doesn't want them generally speaking and look he again as we talked about while Touch was at the big 10 tournament When he was at the scouting combined he 26 to 29 Touch calls them elevator years It's one that you're going to stay the healthiest goody said and you go play your best football

19:40He put parameters. He said the ages out loud 26 to 29 So line of demarcation my eye. There is a line of demarcation for him. He just told you it's on 26 to 29 What is the danger of a player who's 33 falling off the table suddenly? Because if anybody has taught us that the league comes at you fast It's you and whether yours are franklin turning 30 or javon hargrave who is 33 There is that danger is there not There is but I would say this that if you're You know a pass rusher, you mean everybody is different. There are special talents that are You know hall of fame type guys That it just they don't have that drop off. I'm saying for most players You start getting dinged up and once you have one or two things it just becomes so difficult

20:45To rehab try to get stronger faster. It's hard to keep up when you keep having to go backwards That's the that's what the world that's the race that you're in and You know if you're a role player and you're expected to you know give a certain amount or if you're You know the idea of being a note of run stuffer Those guys aren't that you're not really looking for one down run stuffers in the NFL anymore You need to be able to do everything because You have limited roster spots and you need to be able to contribute in many different ways Once you start kind of going down that road the reason they don't want 30 year olds is Your injury risk is higher Your talent starts dropping and when that when those two things combine You aren't as dependable and as available as you want to be and when you don't have those two traits and you're an older veteran player

21:46You're not as useful because you're probably expensive too And that's the trip that is the trifecta of why I and Goody and I think most people would want to keep it in that 26 to 21 you know 24 to 28 is where you really want to be but when you're starting to look at it that's That's when you're going to get your best production That's when you should be making your most money there are Miles Garrett. I would take in a heartbeat bring him in There are guys, but even like a TJ watt He's getting older There are guys that you start getting older and yes, there's still great role players There's still players that can do a ton of great things But can they still perform at that same level that they did two or three years ago at a contract that is huge It's getting to be less and less and you're talking about Hall of Fame guys That are able to kind of hang in there and do it But it just it gets really difficult for players that get to that point

22:49To be able to count on them for 17 weeks is a big ask And Goody admitted it after the Aaron Rodgers era ended That he would prefer to have younger players then he would have preferred young players then too And that's kind of what he started doing in 2022 when they missed the playoffs in Rodgers final season When they lost the lines in the regular season finale He kept bringing back older players because he had a Hall of Fame quarterback Who was still playing at an extremely high back-to-back MVP MVP number three and MVP number four level You don't think that he was Gidey won 2022 ended the way it did he was sure disappointed. I'm sure by that Season but you don't think he was happy to be able to go build the team the way he wanted to instead of Having to continue to bring guys back That were older than he wanted them to be because he wanted to try and run it back with the Hall of Fame quarterback that he had

23:50I'm telling you that's why he said and Taush brings it up all the time He said it was a good day when they ate 41 million dollars of dead cap on Aaron Rodgers That's why he felt that way and while it has gotten them the seven seed each of the last three seasons And gotten them to the divisional round once in the playoffs of those three years um I don't think he's changing his stripes. I think these are targeted Decisions and if he adds three more guys that have surpassed their 30th birthday in the coming weeks I will revise that position But I don't think Goody is abandoning his philosophy. I think he's making a skeptic exceptions Um, by the way, Zaire Franklin's contract according to Spotrack two years 18.01 million Uh, he gets a three point seven five million dollar signing bonus His cap hits are seven point one three million for this year

24:5410.8 million for next year Again, he was traded from the Colts. He had no guaranteed money So they give him three point seven five million. He was scheduled to make a six million dollar and change based salary for this year Uh, I don't think Um, that they have structured this in a way that guarantees he's back next year I think they've placated him with some guaranteed money so he knows for sure He's here this year and then I think Goody's attitude is we'll see how it goes Because his 10 million dollar cap number for next year is not huge, but it's not um big enough to say Well, he's definitely going to be here or we're definitely going to release him to clear up that cap space With that money he can take it to associated bank though the official bank of the Packers What do I always say? It's not branches to make a bank local. It's roots and associated banks roots run deep here in Wisconsin go to Associatedbank.com right now make the switch find out about all the great customer service they have with early pay credit

25:58Monitoring fraud protection and Packers badgers and brewers checking associated bank dot com Whoa hunter is next. It's will the it's out This is will the endtouch driven by Zimbrick Chevrolet in Sun Prairie on 100.5 ESPN see their full inventory at Zimbrick Chevrolet dot com Oh Time now for Hunter If the topic is good the guys discuss just the other one and I'd like for us to see Rocker's House's mama bought out 15 floodgates. He said mama take my father and floodgector They're going to say oh my mother comes in time But if it's not the show must go on it's time for Whoa Nelly on will the endtouch Well, we started this show talking about the Badger basketball team is again

27:02They are the five seed in the West region we'll be playing high point In their first round matchup and our teammate Pablo Iglesias was down in Chicago for the big 10 tournament and We were talking about some of the confidence in this team and things like that Nick Boyd talked about bringing some confidence to the team So I wanted to play that for you guys here to start whoa Nelly For Nick you were part of a final four run a few years ago that nobody expected your team to make What kind of wisdom do you think you can instill in your teammates is you guys start your march around this year Yeah, just confidence um togetherness and confidence you know that's the most important thing in my my my old team We just had a certain confidence and swag about us and you know every game is different like you know here like Um, we only won by a couple points, but tomorrow, you know, it's a it's a different game, and you know We just got to be ready to compete, you know, and if we compete um, you know, Mars will be special for us So again guys

28:03I'm feeling really confident about this Badger's team and I'm trying to not let my heart get broken But this team just feels a little different Uh I'll believe it when I see it Mm-hmm skeptic, huh? We have we've felt good about them previously They got hosed by the committee last year by the matchup they got stuck with with BYU basically and BYU's backyard instead of being in Milwaukee um They don't have that issue necessarily they're not playing in Uh, little rock Arkansas So if they win their first round game, they're playing Arkansas Uh, in Arkansas's backyard, but they are um out in Portland Look, I want to see them get to the sweet 16 and beyond um When's the last time they made the sweet 16

29:04It's been a it's been a better minute and so I I want to have that confidence. I'm glad Nick Boyd has confidence I'm not sure that anyone expected his team was at San Diego State to make the final four when he was there I think that was a surprise He was on the FAU team okay, so that was two years ago with Michigan's coach Right yeah, um, I'll be curious to see Uh, if this team can get out of the first weekend because that is obviously what we're all waiting for There's a clip that I hear from Ben brust that gets replayed all the time in a promo That says if they don't make the sweet 16 none of this really matters And as much as it pains me to agree with Ben brust I think he's probably right because we're not gonna Still got to get to Here's the deal we've got the best uh back court in the country I can't say that for sure because I don't watch any other college basketball

30:07But this back court is awesome and they were the best at the big 10 tournament They'll need to be This good again It they're they're gonna have to play like they did and then you get no longer back if he's healthy There's no reason we shouldn't and wouldn't be Uh getting to the sweet 16 and i'll be honest if you make the sweet 16 That's great and I think people will be placated a little bit but You got to make final fours. That's what this is about That's what this everybody's chasing Greg guard has done a fantastic job, but yeah, Ben's right You don't get credit for what you're doing the regular season of college at basketball. You just don't As much as much as you enjoyed your time at the big 10 tournament No one will be talking about man What a great big 10 tournament they had if they were to lose to Arkansas in the second round No one's talking about it You're right You're right Speaking of the NCAA tournament and filling out your brackets

31:10I a lot of times get sucked into the rabbit hole of the crazy stats that come out about like the history of the tournament With like the Ken Palm rating and where teams fall offensively and defensively and one that I just saw Is that no one since 1997 when Arizona won the title has been West of Dallas and won a national title does anything like that factor in when you guys fill out your brackets What no Yeah, Baylor is the not for this west team since 98 to win a national title No, that doesn't factor into my brackets at all Of course, I don't know nearly as much about college basketball as I once did when I paid closer attention When I'd be writing my stories So I I don't I don't feel super confident in my bracket at all Whoa, how many brackets do you fill out?

32:13one The practical integrity Good I can't stand it when I hear people talking about like well in this bracket I have this team going and then in this one and then they're like cheering about one But then they have the team getting upset in a different one. I hate those people They're the absolute worst this time of year Well, no because they sit there and they talk about it and then they act like oh of the 50 brackets I filled out and the 50 different scenarios I had this one won my pool So I clearly know exactly what's going on and I can talk about it in a way that I actually know what's happening How many people do you do people just start talking about your bracket you just turn and walk away from them? Um, I'm get I'm kind of that way when people talk about their fantasy football team So I think I might need to do just start doing that like I don't I don't need to hear it You don't have that many friends that are filling out 50 brackets come on Are you saying I don't have friends or just that that many people don't do that?

33:14Well nobody's nobody's filling out 50 of five I know I was exaggerating but there are multiple people I know and there are people in this office That will fill out multiple different brackets One brackets enough That's it for Wollhunter will wrap things up next. It's well the intent Badgers, you know anything you have in the Mars because we are on waste content sports That's what Mars is about which team has the most confidence most of the egg goes out there and does what they do You're listening to 100.5 ESPN and the ESPN Wisconsin app Looks like we're going to get to Rich rich rich rich eyes and on time today But before we do how do we manage to go through the whole show what is high point university And how long has it been around I think it's a wide receiver a lot of wide receivers If come on and go nice well played yes um I was I saw the bracket and they made the tournament last year

34:18I remember seeing them on my bracket right hunter That sounds right. Yeah I was unfamiliar with them. They have apparently been around. Yeah, I don't know but it sounds right I mean, I don't read I think they've made it a couple of times as like a 16 seed or something like that in the past They're playing really well though 14 straight wins. Hunter, I'm just going to say this. Thank you for coming in today We went to had a show without hunter today, so kudos We're going to give a high point of the day to hunter today kudos to hunter. Well, thank you Thank you for your service hunter. I think we're done here Have a great day. Take care. Be good Miss any of today's episode of will the entouse presented by fellow windows and doors of Wisconsin Come virtual free full show podcasts are available free only ESPN Wisconsin app