03-06-26 Part Two - Taxing Athletes

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1:00Welcome and good morning. Oh, this thought just popped into my head as we're talking about, you know, where we're going politically and everything else and what might happen in November and then where you go from that point on, this just happened this week. And I started thinking about it more, you know, Bernie Sanders talking about the billionaire's tax and that the rich don't pay enough. I thought this week I'm like, this might change the way the public looks at it. And I know this, some may view this as stupid commentary, but sometimes it's pop culture that can change the political narrative. Yeah. And this was the baseball player. I can't think of his name right now, the place for Arizona. And he turned down the offer from San Diego. And he's not going to go, why is he going to go? What was the reasoning? And it was taxes.

2:04It's like two and a half percent is a flat rate income tax in Arizona. Yeah. It's 13 and a half there. And you and I sort of figured out, you know, as we did, this started a long time ago when we, when Phil Nicholson, oh my gosh, the left one crazy at him. This is way before he joined live. Right. Yeah. Instead of becoming demonized for that. This is way back. He didn't just, he didn't just leave California, he left the country. This is way back when everybody liked Phil. But he talked about the fact that he was sinking and moving to Florida for the taxes because he's getting killed. Yeah. And it was like you in title, Deble, the left went crazy at him. And remember, I think that was at the same time he was trying to become a minority partner in the San Diego Padres baseball team. Yeah.

3:04There was some move there and you broke it down at that. I think it was a few times that we broke it down of the tax savings alone, what it would mean. And I think, and I'm doing this from memory, it could be off. But, but the example would be right if you were making this amount of money. And we were saying, for example, I believe not, you know, not just because of golf, but endorsements. And he was just, he was just getting grounded endorsements at that time. Yeah. And we said, okay, let's say he's making, and I think we went at the low end. I think we went like 70 or 80 million a year. Yeah. And I think I might have been more than that at the time, but we just said hypothetically, let's just, you know, take, let's say it's, it's 80, 80 million a year. And you make that for 10 years. Yeah. Okay. Make it 10 years. Yeah. Well, in that time, a 10% or a 10 and a half, no, no, I'm sorry, I got to make sure I'm

4:06talking about Florida, where there was zero, 13 and a half, yeah, 13 and a half. So he'd be paying 10 million a year, and that would be 100 million over the period of 10 years. Right. Well, I don't care who you are. You know, in any sport, you know, your, your, your time of being popular is limited or being good. Yeah. Your earnings years are going to be limited. Now he might have been the exception. In fact, I've always wondered, you know, we took the deal from Liv because it paid so much money. And then when we thought to myself, I always thought was that actually a good idea. Forget about ties to Saudi Arabia and the controversy, then just money itself. Right. Well, if he was making, I don't know, because back then, they're not paying what they pay now. If he was making 10 million a year in golf, five to 10 million a year, back then, you know, it was, you know, 50, 60, 70 million, 80 million from endorsements.

5:08Oh, yeah. But whatever he signed for Liv, I don't see Phil doing any endorsements anymore. Nothing. No, I, no, I haven't. He used to do that prescription. Yeah. Arthritis medicine. I remember that. That was all over the race. That was a heavy campaign. Uh, but you, you don't see him on anything and I always wondered, is that the smart move? Everybody loves you. This is Saudi Arabia. Yeah. You know, no matter what you want to think and that was at the time of the Crown Prince and the, the murder of the, uh, the, the journalist, the American journalist and all that. Yeah. Exactly. And so it was like, I always wondered, did he really look at the money because I don't believe a Phil Nicholson would have stayed here that he would have lost the endorsements. You know, the endorsements all came back for tigers. No, I, I think, I think there's, he, he's one of the exception, the exception to the rule that once you're playing yours or not even that you, I mean, you could, you could

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7:11After three months playing out over news at $12.99 a month, terms apply. You don't see Michael Jordan out there, but his shoes, of course, the air Jordans, that's something that's going to keep always making him wealth. But you see certain celebrities, and there's only a handful of them. That can go beyond their earnings years in their field and whatever they support their playing and do endorsements for the longest time. And so we remember when he said that, you know, and it could have been, and we said, look, we're not trying to be exact on, we're just telling you the ratio, that if he was making 80 million, over a period of years, 10 years, that would be $100 million, he doesn't have. And remember, that's direct cash, because it's already been taxed. Right. That's money. You get refunded back to you, it's not going to increase your federal tax.

8:14You don't have to pay double on it. Well, you may have to pay a well tax in California. But and so if it was, if he was making half, if he was only making 40 million a year endorsements and 10 million year, 10 million off golf, it still would have been 50 million right. Over the period of that time, I'm sorry, nobody throws away 50 million. But what happened was, you know, it's the NH, the National Hockey League trade deadline is today. And this was just watching all these people I know sports people in Buffalo and everything else because Buffalo right now, the Sabre since I think December, have the best record in the NHL. From last place, and now they're tied for first as of last night, and they have the best record. I mean, it's like the worst team, all the sudden, the spark, no new players, nothing really changed. The spark just lit and boom. And so now that, you know, they want to make a push into the playoffs, the trade deadline is tomorrow, they're trying to get a great player, you know, who's, you know, from one of

9:19the teams that aren't doing so well this year and get that player because that, that new team may be saying we need to rebuild completely. So even though this player has been valuable, they're a little bit older, but you can have them for a couple of years, but we want to go in a different direction. Well, they tried to get, I think, two different players from St. Louis. And the one said that it came out that, well, no, he, in the contract, it was, I get to nix any trade in his contract. He doesn't have to go. Right. And so he said, no, I don't want to go. But if there's another city out there, I might consider it. And boom, that started it online going. Is he not coming because of New York State taxes? And it was funny because some of my friends were started figuring that one out. Right. They went, well, look, if he's making this amount of year, and I think it was like somebody said six million, somebody said eight million, right. And it got into an interesting discussion. And I said, I went, well, guys, I'll do it for you. If it's eight million, and the difference is between, I think it's 10.9% in New York.

10:26And it's, I think, 4.7% on the higher level in Missouri. And I figured out was like rounding about if that was what he was making 500,000 a year. But over the period of the four, four years and a few months left in the contract, that would end up being two and a half million dollars more a year. Right. Well, who wants to be traded to make two and a half million less over the period of the contract? If that's the reason, but I can't tell you that was the reason specifically. But the fact is when he said, well, I'll play for another city, or they're the hottest team in the NHL right now, and, and, and, you know, will they win the Stanley Cup? I have no idea. But do they have a chance of going deep into the playoffs? Yes. And would he have helped them as a player? Go further? Yes. It's a kind of situation you normally would want to go into as a player, especially a team that's just, you know, popped as a really great team.

11:28It's what you would want. Did he refuse it because of taxes? And whether it's true or not, it's the fact that that discussion was all over people I knew that love Buffalo sports, and it is a tax killing us. And I'm thinking to myself, well, it's going to kill higher taxes in, in these liberal states. Yeah. It's a fact that we can't get the big free agents anymore. They don't want to come here because of taxes. No, think about that. And if you can't build a team, you know, that's, that's a big deal. Well, you might be able to build a team because the draft you have to go, but when they enter free agency, yeah, you know, where they, where they're going to want to go. Or if there's a trade, if there's, if they're going to trade you, do you actually want to go and you start looking at it because we look at it, go, well, all those millionaires, it doesn't matter whether you're angry at them for doing it, economics, people are going to do what's in their best self interest. Yeah. And that's what economics is. So you think about it. If you're drafted, then you use it as a showcase.

12:28If you end up in it, you know, on a team or in a state that's, that's higher taxed. And then all of a sudden, you get to make your own decisions and free agents. But my point is not even the super rich players, but like for the, in the NFL, for example, the defensive back and again, going to the Buffalo Bills, Jordan Poir, seems like a really decent guy. Seems like he's conservative. And when he was with the bills a couple of years ago and basically became a free agent, he went to Miami, I think for a year or two, I can always a year or two. But he talked about, well, I want to go there because I can make more money. If I make the same there, I make more money because there's no income tax. So and I'm thinking he's not a player that's, he's not a quarterback making. I don't know whether they're making out 30, 40, I think quarterbacks are up to 40 million a year. Yeah. So if a player's just making three or four million and remember, everything that comes off the top of that three or four million taxes, agents, you know, whatever else comes

13:31out of it. So if you're making, let's say you're making two million a year, year ending up getting maybe 800,000, you know, after taxes and everything else. But if the tax base means you can make another 100,000, if you know that you're limited because in the NFL, it's only four years, 100,000 a year for four years is a huge deal to you. That guy I graduated at high school with, Marvin Allen is assistant GM at Miami. And before that, he was at Buffalo and it was kind of a, it's a player relations kind of job, but he's done recruiting. He's worked for many teams. The chiefs, I worked in Atlanta, he played for the Patriots when he graduated from Tulane in 88 for four years as a running back. But then since then has made it, you know, working in the back office, that's his career. And I wonder if he had anything to do with that move to Miami.

14:34I remember when I moved from one state to another, yeah, I was in talk radio. And I got an offer, you know, I had left the one station and I was thinking of maybe not even staying in radio because I had offers in business and industry. And another station came along and offered me less money. I figured it out with taxes, I ended up making the same. So it happened to me. And again, we want to make this clear to that one listener from a few years ago who said, you know, well, you guys are both billionaires. We are not billionaires. Yeah. And that goes back a pretty long time ago. I wasn't close to where, you know, the savings that I've had today because I've continued to work into my 100s. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, by the way, what's your retirement plan? I go, you're looking at it. Yeah.

15:34I have to make a correction. I just, I always have to update this because my curiosity in my friend, Marvin Allens, where is he? He was let go in January from, from Miami because they had a GM blood. I assumed there was going to be a change. He'll likely land somewhere because he's really great at player relations from all accounts. I haven't talked to him in years, but he's a really, really great guy and great at his job. Oh, I didn't know he was a, I didn't know he had moved up to assist in general manager. Yeah. I just said that. Oh. Yeah. But their GM was blown out. So oh, yeah. They blew it. Then GM's going to bring in their own team, you know, just the way they blew out everybody, including their coach, point dexter, yeah, if you've ever seen the way you look, right? But, but, you know, you think about those moves with the athletes. That has to be great consideration.

16:36You know, there was once the, the story going around and, you know, there's some truth to it, uh, Texas Rangers baseball, that summer, that field can be brutally hot, right? And it's like, yeah, is it take its toll to take it long, not a, yeah, that was before the move. I think that's the biggest part of the move in the new stadium. And it was, you know, I thought, I don't know, you know, their athletes. And everything else, but does it have a long term effect, a cumulative effect in playing in that heat, you know, back then, uh, on your career, on the length of your career, uh, it would be the question. But when it comes to tax, when it comes to earnings, you know, you mentioned hockey players. Well, they don't make what, you know, big NFL players make, you know, they're making more than they used to, but still every dollar counts. So if you talk about that savings, extrapolated out over a four year contract of two and a

17:40half million, that's a big deal. I know a guy who played in the NFL and he was at the minimum salary, you know, so he did okay. But the fact is, I hope he saved every dollar of it because he might have been able to build a nest egg after like a four or five year career of maybe, maybe a million, a million and a half, but it wasn't where he walked away with 10 million, 20 million. Right. Right. Brought to you by FPPF fuel power max surviving and thriving as an owner operator has just as much to do with managing costs as it does with generating revenue like the chief financial officer of any company, you have to be concerned about rising costs, especially without increases in revenue, trying to reduce costs, let alone makes sense of them can be a complicated task. Understanding basic principles of operating costs can save you thousands of dollars a year. A penny saved could be $1,000 earned saving just one penny per mile over 100,000 miles driven annually will deliver $1,000 to the bottom line at the end of the year.

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19:44name player from Arizona that had come out and said, I'm not going to go to San Diego. I'm not going to California to play because of the taxes. I saved millions by not going. You know, every single agent is on that right now and every single, so how will the public look at this when they see, you know, when the Democrats tax a more tax a more tax a more and at the same time as we found out sports fans can can be complete hypocrites. Stop spending money on these billionaires. Oh, but build the billionaires as their factory for the, so they can play football over here. We got to keep more of their money that they earn because if you think about it, taxation is one of those things that if in the sports world, you know, it's, you know, if you're talking taxes in the sports world, there's most people, the hardcore sports fans tune out. They're not going to, but this starts to become a conversation and more of the pop culture setting.

20:45We lost his free agent. Why are we in New York? Why are we taxing? Why are we taxing people that make this, they're already paying this amount in taxes. Why are we taxing them so much? We're not going to have a super bowl team and then they could care less of their being taxed. Exactly. And then the next morning, they're going to say, the billionaires need to pay their fair share. Yes. It changes with sports fans. It does. It's a different dynamic. You're listening to Red Eye Radio from the Relief Factor Studio. We are when I radio, he is here crawling. I'm Gary McNamara. It's so funny, Eric and I are just in a discussion about all the issues. He gets up and walks out of the studio.

21:46I follow behind him. We're just into this conversation. And also, Alan, guys, we're coming back. We're coming back. It's like, oh my gosh. We both just abandoned the studio. I was just running into it to get another day. It's the fridgeral quick and I was very positive I could get back. You follow me out and it looks like, we're done with this. We're going home. Where are they going? You know they're old. They may not realize they just let the studio right before airtime. We should tell them. It's so funny. Guys, 20 seconds, you're back. All right. Some stories. It's on Friday. We always got to clear the desk. We do. Let's get to a couple of stories here. I did mention this, but energy bills shot up by 12% this year in Washington state due to state approved recovery of cost related to climate commitment, act compliance, expanding clean energy portfolios and critical grid reliability investments, that's nothing compared

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24:52It was Oregon. It was Oregon. Oh that would make sense because it you know that border but yeah and by the way you don't get to take the name greater Idaho because the people who are already in Idaho are going wait a minute. Yeah they're better than you. You don't get greater. This is like the sign felled up episode where Morty was wearing the you know the number one dad's sign and Lloyd bridges was upset about it. That's the number one that's the that the whole thing with Lloyd bridges and that was just brilliant. Yeah but you know what makes what's his name Barney I can't think of the actor's name but the thing that makes that whole thing beautiful is because he's wearing the shirt Jerry gave him you know the number you're the number one dad but it's it's basically his belly. The thing the thing is so tight to him and his belly just sticking out of number one yeah and you know they did that on purpose oh yeah make sure that thing is skin tight

25:52yeah but great but you're going to see this we talked about it earlier we said you know with the New York state their electricity prices their panicking California's panicking over gas prices why are you panicking why do I keep here in this panic it's what you voted for you keep putting in the same people you know I said it this week when I went when I went to vote and I see these people walking in Democrat I'm like for God's sake this is Texas you're voting for men in girls locker rooms you're voting for increased energy prices you're voting for the insanity of the radical transgender movement because keep in mind they were voting for either Jasmine Crockett or Taloriko and it didn't matter which one they're both radicals oh that's right I wanted to get some some of the Saudi when you're you're ready for this yeah okay this is morning Joe yesterday okay a Democrat

26:56consultant on here we go on morning Joe all right but look I think Joe the key thing here is that James Taloriko was cast is cat was cast and increasingly is still is cast is a moderate there's nothing he's not a moderate yeah he's a he's a he's a he's in Jasmine Crockett at basically the same positions on almost every issue he's a populist he's progressive he's pretty far to the left on a lot of issues all right now he's a populist in that he's trying to market his insane leftist ideas in the populist way yeah right this is on CNN why don't make sure we get this one in a former Iranian political prisoner on CNN hmm right here we go two days ago yesterday this morning I was told we were not at war today in the press conference he kept that says in the war are we at war are we not at war do we want to change or do we not instead told the Iranian people in a very first you know I know this

27:56may sound controversial and a number among my friends some of them is controversial that's but I think that a lot of commentary is missing perhaps the big picture and there is a big picture here and I perhaps for simple to simplify it I would put it this way I don't think it's right to say that President Trump has started a war with Iran I think President Trump wants to finish a war that Iran started in 1979 47 years ago and I'll just I'll just this is these aren't just words let me just tell you an anecdote in the 2003 2004 when I was there in Iran working on projects at a very high level I was talking with deputy ministers I was talking with going back and forth and I was in the foreign ministry in Tehran where I met someone who was very senior and he was semi sympathetic with the projects we were doing but as I was leaving he looked me in the

28:59eye and he said you as an Iranian-American I want you to know something and listen very carefully he said we in this building and what he meant is the foreign ministry which meant representing the government which means representing the regime he said we believe we are at war with the United States he said at that time it's a cold war but it's a war nonetheless I know but I don't do that than the thousand kids in a gymnasium former Iranian political prisoner Keon Taj Besk I think I maybe pronounce his last name completely wrong but he was on CNN yesterday and I thought that was interesting to have to have that one so was there another on your cut that I wanted to get in this half hour I think that was yeah that was it oh no no no no we got to get to the Tim Walsh one okay okay we need to get to Tim Walsh and in front

30:03of the house this week I believe here we go ready do you believe the 70,000 strong Somali community as a whole has made a positive impact on your state I do so you'd be the opinion fair to say that the Somali community has successfully assimilated and is making Minnesota better yeah I believe there on that path yes I'm just curious by what metric you've come to that conclusion I just looked at some hard data and do you have any idea the what percentage of the native born Minnesotans all races live in poverty in your state right now I don't have specifically I'll share it with the it's 8% for the Somali community it's 52% how about receiving food stamps say I don't I'll run it down with you at 7% and then in the compared to 54% in the Somali community and then don't have it don't have at least a high school diploma for all Minnesotans it's 5% Somali community it's 39% one family member at least on Medicaid it's 18% for Minnesota 73% for the

31:04Somali community and receiving welfare of some form it's 21% and it's 81% for the Somali community Governor do you happen to know what the percentages of all those have currently been charged in this staggering social services fraud scheme were native born Minnesotans what percentage I do not have that I think it's 85 out 98 which comes out to 13% Minnesotan and 87% Somali Minnesotan so I think this is an instance perhaps of where won't get slept by data governor there's been billions stolen over seven plus years right under your nose and really there's only two explanations it's either you were in on it or you weren't smart enough to to see it it's either criminal negligence or wild incompetence and the only way this kind of fraud can reach this scale is if there's people in power that are colluding and collaborating willfully blinding themselves to the realities around them and there you go you know one of the things that that the Republicans are hitting which is you know outside of actually illegal immigration is are we vetting

32:11properly the people that we allow into the country can they assimilate can they become productive members of society do they wish to assimilate you saw you saw it to leave getting pounded yeah because she said they at the state of the union going what do you mean they what do mean they here you know it's it's you're part of the United States and she said she goes it's racist to say that I'm not American it's racist to say that I'm not an American this week to a reporter and then she said I'm a Palestinian it's like I was the entire point it was just it was so bad and and this is why there's such a great opportunity for Republicans here the American public is on your sides for God's sakes learn how to communicate effectively yes they have no self-awareness whatsoever you can completely destroy their arguments on 95% of what the American public cares about it's probably 100% but I just gave an extra 5% in case somebody says oh it's

33:12not 100% you missed this little thing here 95% though it's still a lot you know it's I I go back and forth with the is it zero sense of self-awareness or just their hardcore convictions and where they stand on this and I have to think it's all the above that that they don't care this is how they want to I don't know make their mark but you look at the state of the union a lot of them are to leave man that was a horrible look for the Democrats that was not good that works against their entire party for the midterms

34:14to what extent we'll find out in November or next July when the results are final you know I got this headline James Carville doubles down an urging Alon Omar to leave the Democratic Party after she blasted white males and he's been going after the identity politics for a significant period of time even though he was one of the people that helped create identity politics in the Democratic Party but he now realizes that it's just it's it's horrible he says you cannot be telling a third of the voting public that they're bad and that's where identity politics comes in identity politics is a judge people by groups and not individuals and we have stated this is where we believe the Republican Party has failed absolutely miserably you've got a party that's racist the opposition party is racist they continually call you a racist as they practice identity politics yeah it's unbelievable it's absolutely unbelievable and you have the perfect opportunity by what they say taloriko got pounded on something he's talked about you know the white person the white person

35:18and the white virus that gets there you know we've said this many times before why do they think you know why do they keep throwing this stuff out and we finally came to the conclusion it's the party that practices identity politics they practice racism they believe everybody is a racist because they're racist yeah yeah otherwise you don't talk like that they feel guilt yep the white Democrats to keep promoting the white privilege and everything else it's because that's how they feel they know they're racist and they feel guilty about it there's no other reason and that's why they assume they project out what they believe and what they think about themselves and say if I think this way everybody has to think this way everybody with my skin color must also be a racist because I am yep we are red eye radio

36:25we are red eye radio he's our colony and I'm Gary McNamara by the way here's what James taloriko wrote a few years ago white skin gives me and every white American immunity from the virus but we spread it wherever we go through our words our actions and our systems we don't have to be showing symptoms like a white hood or a Confederate flag to be contagious now that's somebody who believes they're a racist and it's guilty about it right the Republican party ought to use those exact same words that I have just used why don't they I don't know but you could easily put that ad together in a matter of seconds and have it everywhere

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