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0:00This hour of the Bill Meyer show podcast is proudly sponsored by Clowser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Fight out more about them at ClowserDrilling.com. Now more with Bill Meyer. It's not a little issue. The other day, Tim Tebow testified before the Senate about escalating child sexual exploitation and how they're seeing this as a crisis happening in the United States. And he's talking to the Congress Critters and saying, Hey, we need to do more about this. And I wanted to talk with General Counsel for the National Center for Sexual Exploitation about not just this incident, but what is going on here and what what he's trying to do with a lawsuit filed against the social media platform X and it's Benjamin Bull, who's the General Counsel for the National Center for Sexual Exploitation. Ben, it's great to have you on. Good morning, sir. Thank you for having me. This is such an important issue. Thank you for covering. Yeah. And between all the war conversation, the money and the markets and everything else,

1:04this has kind of gotten lost in the shuffle here. So I wanted to get a little bit of love for it. And Ben, could you kind of set up what you and NC OSC are working to do? I mean, I know there's a lawsuit that you filed against X and I hear about these kind of things all the time. But it's section 230 or whatever is, but set up our challenge like what Tim was talking about and what the lawsuit is hopefully going to address. Yeah, it's it's a far more complicated than than you realize, but I think I can simplify it by saying that there are there are hundreds of thousands, millions really of of child pornography images being bought, sold and traded on the internet right now. These are images of children tied up sometimes tortured and certainly all engaged in some form of sexual gratification for adults. These images, whether they're videos or whether they're pictures, they're being uploaded to the internet. And if I say bought, sold and traded, they're being accessed and viewed and being monetized through advertising, pay walls and so forth and so on. And what most

2:11people don't realize, people might say, well, okay, I knew that because there's all these hardcore porn outlets out there that's not specifically what I'm talking about. I'm talking about outlets like X, TikTok, only fans. We are lawsuit against X. We represent two 13-year-old boys whose child pornography images were uploaded to X and the parents and monetized by X and the parents and the boys contacted X brought to their attention, used that the portal set up by X kind of reporting. X took about 10 days, X finally got back to the family and said, we've looked at the content we find that it does not violate our policy and we will not be taken get down. And these are two 13-year-old boys that were basically groomed and seduced to engage and sex with each other by a 16-year-old, some of they thought was a 16-year-old girl. It turned out to be a 47-year-old

3:11pedophile. Oh, great. Who uploaded the images to X, right? Now, between then and then about two weeks later, the family finally got someone from Homeland Security to contact X to look, this is child pornography. You've got to take it down right now. It's a violation of federal law and they did. But the problem was, between the time that they were notified and they admitted that they viewed the porn, child porn, and refused to pull it down. There were over 200,000 views. There were countless downloads, which means these boys will be on the internet forever. Oh, yeah, it's not going to go away. The internet is forever on this one, Ben. If you don't make me asking a few details about it, I'm not trying to be skin illogical or sorted about it, where they naked pictures were the boys identifiable in these pictures. Totally identifiable. Oh, active sex acts by two 13-year-old boys. Totally naked. Easily identifiable. They're kids.

4:13I mean, they're 13. They look like they're about 11. This wasn't a situation in which, well, you really couldn't tell how old the girl was because she could have been 16. She could have been 20. No, these were little boys. In fact, there were hundreds of comments associated with these tweets and retweets, things like these really are kids. How can they be up there? Look at these pictures. People were seeing this and even realizing that there was a problem, and X was sort of dropping the ball and just not seeing a serious issue, I guess, what you're saying. And they could claim surprise. They didn't know about it, but once they were put on notice, and once they admitted that they looked at the images and refused to pull them down, they're on the hook. Now, what makes this particularly gallant is the night circuit court of appeals held that X, along with all other online platforms, have absolute immunity from civil lawsuits for child pornography that are up and sub-loaded and monetized on their platforms,

5:16even when they know it's child pornography, even when they know it's a violation of federal law. Okay, what kind of a judge could draw that conclusion? I mean, are they right about Section 230 of the Communications Act or not? Well, I had to laugh. You call it Congressman Critters, Congress Critters. Congress passed a law in 1996 called Communications Decency Act, which did a couple of things, but one of the things, one of the things that were good, one of the things that was bad was they gave immunity to online platforms for a third-party content uploaded to the internet. What they did not intend, however, was to give a carte blanche immunity for violating child pornography law and in sex trafficking law. Yet, that is how the courts have interpreted that statute, the CDA-230 that you mentioned. We believe that it is a misinterpretation, it was never intended to be interpreted that way. And several members of the Supreme Court

6:18have indicated a such in dissent to concurrences. And so we have a case on petition for cert or certiori to the Supreme Court asking the Court to review the judgment of the Ninth Circuit giving carte blanche immunity to X for knowingly monetizing child pornography. This is the, now, I think the really pertinent point here is knowingly, once you know, I mean, before you know, I can understand, I mean, X is a big platform and there's a lot of action going on there, right? I mean, you can understand this, but once you know, there shouldn't be any immunity from it. Now, it could have been that they had AI responding, we don't know, but we do know we have a typed transmission from them saying they have reviewed the content. It does not violate our policy and we will not take it down. We have that in writing, so we do have actual

7:20knowledge. And what one of the things we learned in our own investigation of X and these other platforms is that the amount of child pornography on X is staggering. Literally, there are not tens of thousands, but hundreds of thousands of child porn images that are brought sold and traded on X every single day. Now, X has a zero tolerance policy on their, on their website for child pornography. Those are just words. That's a marketing tool on their part. They do engage in some deletions, but not nearly enough to deal with the vast quantity of child porn on their site. And they could tomorrow, they could adopt AI software that would recognize the facial features of these kids and eliminate about 98% of it in one fell swoop. Now, is there, I'm kind of curious then. It makes me wonder then if X doesn't do this or Instagram wouldn't want to do this because it means fewer clicks, less advertising revenue. So even if it is about supporting child porn, what matters is the bottom line. What do you think?

8:26Certainly, certainly, the profiting to the tune of tens of millions of dollars and more. But I also think it's about no one tells us how to run our business. We're the big sheriff in town. Government get out of our shorts. We tell you what to do. You don't tell us what to do. And then once every year or so, these guys, Zuckerberg and company go to go to the, go to Congress, they testify, they do me a culpa, we'll do better. And they never do. They never change. And finally, the Supreme Court has a chance to resolve one of the great important issues of our time. Are they really immune when they engage in knowing illegal conduct with child pornography on their platforms? We'll find out. Yeah, because I would agree with you, Ben. By the way, I'm talking with a Benjamin Bull. He's the General Counsel for the National Center for Sexual Exploitation. I don't think Congress is intent. And now the fact that you said that it was ruled by the ninth circuit doesn't surprise me. It's the most reversed circuit, isn't it not? You know, when it comes to the Supreme. It is the most reversed circuit. Well, the irony is that the law is called the Communications

9:30Decent Feed Act. Yeah. And I don't know how it is decent to have, you know, a 13-year-old child porn being monetized and spread within the internet. And they know about it. And they do nothing to stop it. And, but I have a feeling that the response that you got was probably from a bot in most likely not a real human. That's they probably automated that part. Yeah, really did. They chose to use a bot. But, you know, in other words, if they made a mistake, it was their error. They said they reviewed it. And if they had a bot review it, well, get a better bot because there were hundreds of thousands of views during the time that they said they viewed it. And they did not pull it down. Yeah. And they're held responsible for their bot. And technically, aren't the people that paid for this and then wanted to download it? Aren't essentially they, aren't they perverts that should be prosecuted, too? Yeah. They've violated their violated federal law. They could be prosecutor for receiving child pornography. And if they upload it, transmitting child pornography. It's a federal violation,

10:35violation. In fact, it's a violation of the law. Every single state, all 50 states. Yeah. All right. This is amazing. So the ask then, right now, the only ask is for the Supreme Court to take the case. That's what you're asking for, right? Right. Right. And this came up in the Tim Teebo testimony of the Teebo Foundation to file an amicus brief. That's a friend of the court brief supporting the Supreme Court's reviewing our case, granting cert. And he's been so helpful and so supportive. Kudos to Tim Teebo. He is, he's not just a Christian football player. He is a hero. He's really becoming outstanding leader in this area. And Kudos to him. What was it about Tim that got him so involved in this? I'm just curious. You know, was he exploited in some way or maybe he was aware of this or just it's kind of his spiritual grounding that helped him? I say, I think that that he has been prayed about it. And either they had a foundation to try to do good, help society. And this issue is at the top of the queue.

11:40This is not, not just something that's happening. It's reached crisis point. And if you have kids on the internet, it's not just a matter of if, will, if they will be approached by groomers and pedophiles, it's a matter of when. And it's not going to go away until the Supreme Court does something and then law enforcement cracks down. And it holds companies like ex-accountables. Exist not an outlaw entity. Have you supposed to be mainstream? Yes. Yeah. Doing this right in front of us. Are there any social media companies that actually do it right in your view, Ben? No. In fact, we have the dirty dozen. That's something called the dirty dozen list. We post every year. Our organization does Nicosi in which we list the most frequent or the worst violators. And of the 12, I think 10 or online platforms that you would recognize the most popular ones. National Center for Sexual Exploitation is what we're talking about. And Ben

12:40Benjamin Bull is the general counsel for this. I know that the end of the month that you're going to release the latest a dirty dozen, you know, every year you put out that dirty dozen. They really have you back on this. I think the main thing that people need to do is first off, sign up, get the updates from and sexual exploitation.org. It's in sexual exploitation.org. And I'll make sure and put that information up there. What I wondered about here, Ben, is that, you know, there's been all this talk about, you know, the Epstein files and, you know, sorted, redacted stuff, you know, going on within the Epstein files, then essentially the entire internet, the way you're describing this with social media platforms is being turned into an open Epstein file, isn't it? In the same essence here. One of the great ironies is that the the Department of Justice is so deleted and censored images and content of the Epstein files. You can't even know what they're talking about. Yet the same DOJ refuses to prosecute X. And these other online platforms for knowingly violating federal child pornography laws.

13:43There's there's something wrong here. Ben, Benjamin, I appreciate the update and thanks for sharing this and we continue to appreciate the fight that you're doing. By the way, how do you get paid? I mean, there's a donations to the foundation. How does this end up working? We're a we're a nonprofit organization. We support through voluntary donations. We, you know, we have a budget like like like a company, but instead of selling a product, we basically try to do good and people who support our work will choose to send us a check and in all of our salaries and budgets, it's all online, our 990, and you'll see that nobody's getting rich. We do it because we believe in the cause. And hopefully we can turn this whole thing around. Benjamin, I appreciate your take and thanks for the work. We'll have you back. Okay. Be well. Okay. Thank you. All right. Bye bye. And sexual exploitation.org. It's the website, 825 at KMED. If you're turning 65 soon, understanding Medicare is crucial. I'm Kelly Bales at Futurity First

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17:56something and you posted it on your social media page, then you could be prosecuted for distributing child porn. I don't think that's what he was talking about. What he was talking about though, he was talking about identifiable young men who had tried to get X to take down their photos. They were 13 year olds. They were groomed by a 40 year old pedophile who was pretending to be a 16 year old girl online, right? Now, of course, it was really dumb, really bad. And their sex acts ended up going all over X. X was monetizing it made money from it. And yeah, and they were told about this. And of course, other pedophiles were downloading it and paying for it. And it was just, it was really sorted, really sad. And these kids, the parents of these kids are just trying to get

18:57X to, hey, you got to take this stuff down. And it appears like there, like there was a bot responding to them rather than a real person saying, well, this doesn't violate our, our policies. And they're all claiming. And the ninth circuit, the quarter of appeals claimed that X because of Section 230 and the Communications Decency Act of 1996, I think is what it was. It came out, maybe in the early 90s has absolute immunity from this. And they're trying to get the Supreme Court to say, no, you don't have absolute immunity. That was what the case was. But what I was bringing up the Epstein file, I say, I find an ironic that we have all this talk about the Epstein files with all this sorted stuff on it. And yet we can't go after this stuff either. So where are you going on that? I'm going to give you the context of that conversation. Yeah, I see what you're saying there. Well, I still kind of, you know, I've heard enough

19:57description of what Trump did with, I think there's something like 18 different underage girls. And the idea that every time I raise it on a show, somebody says, well, where's the proof? Where's the proof? As if they're looking for the link. And like you're saying, if people are monetizing it, or if somebody's using the, whether it's the FCC or what other agency would clamp down on it and prosecute somebody for, because if it comes down to it, say like you've been a court case, somebody submits a video to a court to prove that somebody was molesting children. And then all of a sudden the courthouse becomes the bearer of child porn. And so the courts itself or the courts themselves would be put at risk. But the other thing I was going to raise in time to that, in history, the biggest amount of

20:59grooming, you know, like Charles Dickens wrote about Fagan, right? I think that was David Copperfield. And he didn't really go into a lot of detail, but that was basically pick pockets and prostitutes and all kind of problems. A little child army that makes money for Fagan. And so the idea that starvation is the, if you want to stop that stuff, you raise the standard of living enough so that you don't have starvation so that kids are not forced to, you know, get their bread and you know, their bowl of beans for committing dirty deeds, done dirt cheap. And you know, that kind of logic. And the fact that the Republican Party for decades have now refused to raise the minimum wage. They're forcing the issue. You think you think it's about the minimum wage. It's interesting because here in the state of Oregon, minimum wage is way above the fed. The federal one, we're at about 15, 16 bucks an hour depending on which city you're in.

22:05The challenge that I have here economically with the minimum wage though, David, and I appreciate your sympathy. I really do. I mean, I do because I've worked for minimum wage and I worked in starved edit, you know, I did. Okay. Especially the early part of my career, especially 1980 when I first entered the job. So I appreciate your concern. I don't know if I don't know if the minimum wage really, really helps raise people's a job. A job can't really exist unless it's able to make more money than you pay the person. You know, I'm getting in here just the math, the mathematics of it. And I don't know, you know, sitting, sitting a minimum, putting a minimum price on what a job is worth. I don't know. I don't know. It doesn't work long term. I don't know. I don't know. You get what you pay for. And as a matter of fact, the idea that, you know, this has been known for decades, such as actually, you know, you starve

23:10people, you're going to have problems and it becomes more expensive. It's like what Ben Franklin said. Pennywise, parent foolish. I think what we're witnessing right now. Yeah. Now you and I, I don't think would not disagree or would not agree on many things politically, but you know, economically, the one thing I will, I will give you a point on or that I'll say, you know, that you have a point. And this is where the economic left has a point though. He's then I honestly feel that what has happened is that first off, when people talk about free market capitalism, none of us have lived under free market capitalism ever since the early 1800s with the bringing in of the federal reserve act, the income tax, various other things. We don't have a free market capitalism system. It is a managed economy. And everything about it is is managed. And yet we're told that it's that it's free market. What has occurred, I think, over my lifetime is just my opinion on an economist David. Okay. So I'm just going to couch it in those in those caveats is that capital has has gained control of society.

24:19And there is a real imbalance between the worker, labor, and capital. And government, of course, is partnered with a capital. It has quite it has been quite in control with capital for a long, long time. Society is more unstable because of that. And it will be rebalanced at some point, maybe sooner rather than later. I don't know. Okay. I don't know how I don't. There's the expression full faith and credit. You know, if you go to the history, like, you know, we're 250 years into America, say like about 230 years ago, each of the 13 colonies had their own currency. And in the very beginning, they they had to be convinced that the US dollar would work in all different 13 colonies. And then as this as the nation added states, it added, you know, the full faith and credit that the US dollar was going to work in all of them. And so the idea that the company store, you know,

25:25you'd have a mining town, for example, have their own company money. And you would be paid in company script. And that would be dependent upon whatever the boss said it was worth. And as opposed to the full faith and credit that the US dollar had more value and that it had more honor behind it. But the honor was the reputation of all of us that we the people, the citizens, are the value of that money. And if we allow some fat cat to just decide, oh, the value of it is what I say it is instead of what the value. And this is why that is essentially the system we live under. Essentially, essentially, you have the people to get first access to the federal reserve dollar money spout and money spick it. They're the ones that are determining the value of it. Well, the value of it essentially goes down. We get last crack at it. And I don't that system I think is inherently unstable and is coming down to its end. Of course, it can stay, it can stay

26:29solvent. Technically, a lot longer than maybe we can stay solvent. I don't know. But so I partially agree. It's our muscles. Yeah. I partially agree with you though. But, you know, right now, I think we're coming to the end of that regime somehow. And the I don't know if it's going to be, you know, 10 years from now or in our lifetime. But the way that we work the monetary system now can't go on forever. Okay. I appreciate the call. I got other people I got to get to also. But thank you, David. I appreciate you call from the Bay Area. This is the Bill Meyers show. If you're on hold, I'll get right to you. And we'll take a it's all open phones for the last of the parts of conspiracy theory Thursday. Okay. Chris is on the road right now on conspiracy theory Thursday. Chris, you want to talk about the Epstein files that talk I had with Chris and other people. Go right ahead. I'm sorry with David. Go ahead. I have a little bit of a problem with some of your colors calling in and referring to

27:32President Trump has been involved with Epstein and the Epstein files. And if that was the case, when Biden had the office four years and had the Epstein files, wouldn't it have been brought out then and stopped his next 20 20 run is 20 20 run and it's 20 24 run. You know, I used to think that too. I don't know for sure. I'll just give you my opinion on it, Chris. All right. And that is that the Epstein files of course is a intelligence operation honey pot trap in which it was equal opportunity. I mean, yeah, we see a lot of Democrats involved in this, but there's plenty of Republicans involved. You're mentioned in it too. I think I think I think it was one of those things where it was a mutually assured destruction kind of thing. Everybody that was involved in it knows knows that yeah, there's dirt. There may be and it may not even be dirt on Donald Trump personally, but certainly dirt on friends and associates, maybe even family members and deal

28:34makers with that or is involved. It's a mutually assured destruction kind of thing. So everyone would kind of agree not to touch it. I guess, right? Could that could that be what's going on here? Really agree, agree 100% with you. Yeah. And that's kind of where I'm at it. And that's why I I would like to say, yeah, if they had the dirt on President Trump, they would have brought it out there, but then it would have been brought out the dirt on other people and everyone says, okay, they got me. They got you. All right. Let's shut up. That kind of thing. I appreciate the call. Steve's and Sunny Valley here too. Hello, Steve. How are you doing this morning? Welcome. How are you? Oh, let me go. I got to push your button here first. How you doing there? Steve, go ahead. I am well. And I would just like to commend you on your patience with David. But well, you know, the thing is when someone disagrees with me or is politically coming from a different point of view, I want to try to understand. I really do want to try to understand sometimes it does drive me nuts, but that's okay. Yeah. You know, two things. His accused

29:34Trump of 18 episodes of indiscretion with minors with absolutely zero proof that is following his reputation by rumor. And that's what a lot of the Epstein files are unfortunately too because they are anybody can accuse things. That's true. Right. And if we were to use the same standard in Iran, well, underage is below nine. So yeah, it's completely different society. And then the other thing is he has absolutely zero understanding on how inflation works in regards to minimum wage. I think you can look at it like this in 1948. McDonald's cheeseburger cost 35 cents. And you got paid 35 cents an hour to work there. And if they want to pay McDonald's employees 15 bucks an hour, the cheeseburger is going to cost 15 bucks. Well, really what's going to happen though is that that doesn't pencil, right? That doesn't.

30:35That won't pencil. And so what usually ends up happening is that the the job that was paying paid 15 dollars has been automated by an AI operated hamburger robot. And that's what's going on really pushes forward advancement and robotic. We can't through government fiat make a job worth more than what it is. I wish we could. But you you can't honestly do that in the long run. And we have so many barriers to employment now. Anyway, you can't afford to hire anybody. And then if you do hire somebody and something goes wrong, then you're liable for anything. So you have to have expensive insurance. We've got to remove the barriers to hiring people to get things moving again in this country. I'll agree with you. Thank you very much for the call, Steve. 770K Medi. We get Ron and Grant's pass. Hello, Ron. Go ahead. Yes. Good morning. Let's pretend that Cacola Harris was elected instead of Mr. Crop. And let's presume that Iran is able to continue on with their nuclear bomb making

31:42obsession. And let's pretend that on shipping containers, 100,000 more per year in the three of those have nuclear bombs. And one is placed on the west coast, one is placed in the Midwest, one is placed on the east coast, and that all set off at once. Guess what happens to America? A lot of things are disrupted. You can't grow things. People get radiation poisoning. And I think that we just better be happy that we're going the direction we are with Mr. Trump. All right. Well, taken. I appreciate the opinion. Believer Brad. Do we want to call you that? They have these days, Brad? Go ahead. Welcome. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is your buddy. Believer Brad here this morning. I bill. What's up? Hey, so here's the deal. You know, I'm an old Oregon guy. And I remember when Oregon was well managed and reasonable and all that kind of stuff. It feels like a long time ago, doesn't it? That was a long time ago. So here's here is the problem with old Oregonians like me when it comes to this Senate bill 1599 is it's looking at probably one

32:43of the most sacred pieces of the Oregon contract with the people in the legislature, which is if the legislature does something that is so odious and unacceptable to the Oregon voters, the Oregon voters have this very powerful thing called the initiative that they can get it on the ballot so that all of the voters in Oregon can can use their voice and say, hey, we don't like or yeah, we do like it or no, we don't like it. Yeah. And then what happens is that governor co-tec then and the minions, they they move this. They want to move this because of the political hot potato miss of it, right? Yeah. So, so the thing is is nobody they ran this bill, the bill that they ran the initiative to overturn. They ran that down everybody's throw it in the first place. The governor signed it at the last possible minute to make it hard and they raised an astounding record 250,000 signatures three times the necessary in the shortest

33:43period of time that anybody could imagine showing how much support this. So what the legislature is saying with the with a majority dominated legislature saying is we won't allow the people of Oregon to have an initiative voice as long as it doesn't contradict with what we want to do in a legislature. And then it's the exact opposite of what the initiative was created for in the first place. Well, in other words, it's a big FU back is what it is. It is. The legislature can't go through the initiative, especially after it's already been certified. You've got to remember this bill. This initiative was certified by the secretary of state. And after it was certified, then the legislators as well, you know, we don't like this and we don't know the thing that we really don't like is we don't like the date that that that that they don't like the day. The bottom line though is that Ed Deel and others have joined in. They they're filing a lawsuit to challenge this. And so it may be moved. And Mary and Mary and Mary and Mary and county Mary

34:45and county oddly enough, that's that's where dober tutorial candidate Daniel Beth Ellis from. And we'll we'll see what happens. But I'm telling you whether you're a Democrat or a Republican or a non-aligned voter, this is no bueno. You don't want your initiative rights being traveled on by the legislature where the legislature says we'll give you the right to have an initiative as long as we can go in after the fact and change all the things on it, we don't like. But the other thing I would remind you though is that Republicans had lots of days of unexcused absences they couldn't have used. And there is very little fight to use them, the one tool they have to stop it. Just just letting you know, there's there's another side of that of lack of fight on the Republican side, unfortunately. Thanks for the call Brad. If you're on hold, I'll get right to you. It's open phone 7 7 0 5 6 3 3 7 7 0 K Med gold at 578 silver 81 87 kind of flat, maybe a little bit softer than yesterday, as the greater markets continue to see in some selling

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37:53It is 8.52 a change taking your calls 7705633770KMED email of the day and then I'll get right back to the calls. Sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson in Central Point Family Identistry, we'll have a longer email system tomorrow. It's got a bunch coming in today but yeah we'll give one to Dale Casey. Dale writes of Medford Bill. This can hardly be called punishment what happened to the Oakdale Middle School students. Yeah, one day's suspension. First, who instigated this and who supervised it? I don't think it was any of the students and I doubt the students have any real idea what this is all about. One day out of school is not punishment to the students for punishment to be effective. It must deprive the offenders of something they highly desire and the parents need to learn what child discipline is all about. Dr. Spock's methods have brought us to this point. Dale, thank you very much for writing email of the day. Dr. Steve Nelson Central Point Family Dentistry gets your appointment today at Central Point Family Dentistry.com. While you weigh crowds, a specialty there, like an hour and a half from start to finish. Pretty cool. Worked great

38:57for me. All right. I think you'd enjoy this. All right. It is Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. This is Kristen Medford. Hi, Chris. What's on your mind today? Well, one wondering about Conspiracy Theory, but seconds just comment. The Conspiracy Theory I'm worried about is what is this about the decoupling from the bill of no tax on tips, no tax on over time? Yeah. Never expected Oregon to abide by that. I just don't understand what it is. Yeah, I would have to do a little bit. I did not take deeply into it. If I recall correctly, it's about a $300 million in tax breaks that went away for Oregon with the passage of that bill that you're speaking about, Chris. And I can't give you

39:59the exact parts of it that were reduced or eliminated. Let me do a little search on that and I'll work that tomorrow. But yeah, and states do this all the time. Some states will do this and they will not just take the federal tax breaks at, you know, at face value. They'll say, well, we'll accept that or we will not. They can do that. States were allowed to do this. But, but you see, this this also shows that the state was lying all about essentially what they did is that they did that in order to keep the money for ODOT. So they don't even need all those fees in taxes that they were doing. But you know, they want the money. Anyway, they want the extra money. Anyway, one way or the other. Right. But you know, in just my other comment is I talked to you before about I want to give lessons on traffic circles. I just want to give lessons on merging. Good luck. Good luck. No, you do not go to the end of a mergeline on the highway. I know. And just, and just go over

41:05and expect that big giant truck that's in the lane to give you the right way. Yeah, I agree with you. And we are not the best of that. But Chris, you know, but you know what, I you're talking about a pebble. You know, the pebble in my shoe is people that turn left in the, you're in the left lane. And then they turn into the far right lane. I want a heat-sicking missile from my vehicle that would go and blow that vehicle up. So that way that, you know, when I try to turn into the into the lane legally, that I'm not blocked by them and having them honking their horn at me. So I'm trying to move. Right. No, the same thing with merging is that they go all the way up to the top of the merge lane. And then they squeeze in like they did not even turn signal. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. Feel your pain. Thanks, Chris. Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Who's this?

42:06Hey, Bill, it's Lucretia. Lucretia, I don't have time for, you know, I already had you on a bunch. If Francine gets to double dip, me too. Yeah, well, I don't, you know, frankly, at the very end, no, that's not true. You know, I'm out of time right now. You tend to take a little more time than many. Okay. I'm sorry. I want to get two people who maybe he didn't get through it all today. All right. Hi. Good morning. Who's this? Hey, this is old Greg out here on the hillside. Hi, Greg. Go ahead. Yeah, I'll try to make this quick. But you know, first of all, this has been one of the most entertaining shows I've ever heard. Really? Thank you so much. There's been so many, I saw a whole first half. I was just wrapped. I was just listening and awe. Wow. Thank you. Okay. You're welcome. I could also everybody who called in there. So, uh, conspiracy 30. Yeah. I got about 20 seconds for you. If you can make a good point on this one, I'm just running out of time. Study wild animals. You're going to need them. All right. That's not a conspiracy. That's

43:11a matter of fact, maybe. Yeah. Okay. Hi, KMD. Good morning. Who's this? Good morning. This is Don and Rogue River. Hello, Don. We got about a minute. Can you give me a quick point in that? I'm sorry to. I'm trying to get through for like 20 minutes. Okay. So it's about contracts with the IRS. Um, they're voluntary. There's no law that we have to pay the IRS. Why do we believe we have to pay them in the first place? Where does the jurisdiction come from? Why are you obligated to file? Because you have a pulse and a job to contract a fraud. Um, they're completely voluntary. It's code 601, 602. You do not have to file out of law. You know, and I wasn't expecting to shorten the sense of who I'm. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, I'll have more open phone time tomorrow. Maybe you can give me a call back then. But all I would advise you is that, yeah, you can say, I know they talk about it being a volunteer tax system. All right. And you're right. Technically, they say that, but try not volunteering. Okay. Well, I'm just out of time though, but try not

44:14volunteering and you'll find out the truth.